@@organman52 Yes, I see also an excess of stereotyped passagework here. But we are now spoiled, audiences back then had scarce opportunity to het to hear concertos so for them it was all fresh and new. I suspect composers knew that also and saw no problem in mass-producing music following mostly the same patterns.

@@christianwouters6764 The cliched passagework was designed to sell copies of the sheet music. Interestingly, the 1806 version doesn’t have so much of this, demonstrating how commercial pressures changed Ries’s approach to composition. (This recording is of the 1823/4 version.)

Who recorded the 1806 version?@@adamswayne

@@ClassicalMusicAndSoundtracks No one yet! The edition should be coming out next year.

This was actually published around 1823-24 (though composed around 1806). Most likely, it was reworked before publication.

@@Whatismusic123 Clearly not all is right with your cognitive ability; what I have written makes perfect sense and employs good grammar. I should have perhaps thought better of using the word "newness"; I should rather have said "unfamiliarity", as it is a subjective statement, and Ries's Concerto is hardly new. As to being "schizophrenic", my statement is quite single-minded and clearly stated; are you admitting to an inability to understand lucid thoughts? As to being a "manifesto", I don't know what Ries's political views were, or if he in fact had any, but I certainly wasn't referring to them, or to mine, in my appreciative comments. I'll be kind and assume, however, that you're using the word in its more generic sense. I'm left wondering only your opinion of the Concerto. Is all right with your world?

@@Whatismusic123 What I'm trying to "understand better" is your comment here. Subjective opinions, by definition, need not be "delusional", however factually wrong they may be. I'm sure you have your own opinions regarding Ries' Concerto (which are evidently not mine), perhaps some requiring a greater musical knowledge. I'm generally of the "I know what I like" school, not having the advantage of a formal musical education. Does that preclude my understanding Ries' purpose in composing this music: to give enjoyment to the hearers, and perhaps even to make them forget, for a time, all the cares and burdens, personal and general, that the world is subject to? That, after all, is a prime objective, and a most valuable quality, that music has to offer. And, unbelievably, I'm still left wondering (but now not so much), what your opinion of the Concerto is (if you have one), and if you feel that anything's right with the world. (You'll notice that you misquoted me; I know all's not right in the world, but that all will be right with the world when Christ returns, and the music of heaven will admittedly be much greater than that provided by Ries.)

Accipiter, you hear Ries in Mendelssohn. Ries wrote this concerto three years before Mendelssohn was born!

That yes, and also Beethoven's triple concerto! He even puts the secondary theme in A major, has it decay to A minor, and sets the middle tutti in A minor, just like the triple concerto.

@@Cherodar d'accordissimo con te. e' proprio uguale al secondo tema del concerto per violino, violoncello e pianoforte di Beethoven.

Yes very similar harmony

The man’s job was to make copies of Beethoven’s manuscripts. I can see why he had the Master’s music in his minds haha

And echoes of Beethoven’s First Concerto in same key

Why?

@@GalacticNovaOverlord because l Like it very much indeed and ı felt lots Of good emotions deep inside my soul this is what expect from music names are NOT important for me

@@lalearkun9470 ah. I misunderstood what you said then. I though you meant the opposite 😅

Woah you’re right

Ojalá usted y yo pudiéramos tener el talento para componer ese tirititito