Ferrule - Colour code confusion - 2 German systems and one from France.

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4 жыл бұрын

Colour coding of insulated ferrules can be confusing. Watch this video to understand the difference between the French (Telemecanique), German (Weidmuller) and German (DIN46228) ferrule color codes.
Ferrule sizes are standardised to cable conductor cross-sections from 0.14mm2 through to 50mm2 and beyond. However the colour of the insulated shoulder changes depending upon the ferrule system. This can lead to errors, for example, a red ferrule is 1.00mm2 in the French colour code and 1.5mm2 in the German Weidmuller system.
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@Scotcyarts 3 жыл бұрын

Glad to see no one has a clue which colour code to use either!

@E3CB 3 жыл бұрын

Thank you very much! You channel is full of premium content!

@dalriada842 4 жыл бұрын

It would be interesting to know the underlying rationale behind these colour schemes. I'd have thought they could just repeat the resistor colour code across the range, or use transparent collars with the size(in square millimetres) printed or embossed on them. The latter option would be my preference to avoid colour clashes and ambiguity.

@efixx 4 жыл бұрын

Sounds far too sensible - great idea on the marking :-)

@earlyyearslearningisfun 4 жыл бұрын

Great work EFIXX 👍

@AE-mu1jc 4 жыл бұрын

Moin! Thank you for the color chart. Very helpful after I use only the Weidmüller system from 0.5 qmm till 2.5 qmm normally. More we not need here in Germany or Thailand.

@ianwatson2285 4 жыл бұрын

Having endured the Thai concept of wiring, I hesitate to use the term standards. A more accurate description would be "free form wiring".

@markandrews8437 4 жыл бұрын

My supervisor always puts a colour code chart in his panels he seems to stick to the same colours when ever possible seems to work well when you go back in and look around great video again guys thanks for sharing

@patrickoregan2148 4 жыл бұрын

on site its what ever colour the wholesaler has on the day you buy

@UKJaiO Жыл бұрын

So are the ferrules physically different for each system? for example do you buy them as French ferrules or German Ferrules, or do you select different colours from generic sets?

@abscomm 4 жыл бұрын

Does anyone really care what colours they are? If the wire fits crimp it, if it holds it is good. No?

@efixx 4 жыл бұрын

You may have just described the British ferrule system. ;-)

@AE-mu1jc 4 жыл бұрын

I use only the Weidmüller system. Easy to use. 😊

@lucidlx 4 жыл бұрын

I hope you don't take the same approach to your wire colour codes!

@simonschertler3034 3 жыл бұрын

Thanks for mentioning me in your video! 👍 Here in Germany the DIN standard is the most commonly used one. Many years ago every wholesaler had another the system or sometimes more then one. Now a days the DIN system is commonly used and the other systems have to be ordered from central stock or from the manufacturer. But in a nearby city we have a ferrule manufacturer and there all colour codes are available 😀

@efixx 3 жыл бұрын

No problem - thanks for your comments - stay tuned for more German related electrical content very soon!

@Richard1977 4 жыл бұрын

German DIN Standard is the most used system in the Netherlands. I do however (due to availability) use some French colors (0.75mm2 and 6mm2) if I have no other option. But it's German Din 99% of the time and crimps made.

@Richard1977 4 жыл бұрын

To complete the information I have given above: I checked several of my Dutch and German suppliers and none seems to support the Weidmuller-system. It's mostly the Din Standard with some Dutch suppliers offering the French standard as a substitute or completion of their Din offering.

@hawk_ness 4 жыл бұрын

Forgot China Standard: What ever they could find and stick in a box! ;)

@popandu1170 3 жыл бұрын

I think its similar to the German system but called the BIN system ; )

@jonathanrose456 2 жыл бұрын

Thanks for the sheet. Really helps! What is the box you’re using to store your ferrules in?

@efixx 2 жыл бұрын

Think it’s a Raaco box

@joemartin6439 4 жыл бұрын

What about Canada ferrule and for Audio EDF plugs and other 3 prone plugs

@GiffordsElectrical 4 жыл бұрын

Interesting video. 3 types of ferrules who knew 🤣

@gettogo0159 5 ай бұрын

@Giffordselectrical >>> Best to keep it simple Red/Brown (live) - Blue/Black (neutral) - Green/yellow (earth) - Grey (common) constant live ~This system is universal through the world.

@djmusk6015 Жыл бұрын

Why not have ferrels with a translucent shoulder. And have the cable size written on the shoulder?

@frankbennett8877 4 жыл бұрын

I don't understand why we use them. Everything we install has a BS Number cable,sockets,consumer units etc and I can only find cheap made in China Ferroli's. Are they capable of carrying the current we use them for. .??

@tonygray7751 2 жыл бұрын

in the german din syrtem where they repeat the colurs for different cable sizes, could it be that the colours represent Phase colous?

@zapl80 2 жыл бұрын

What's a phase color? Our wiring is yellow/green for earth, blue for neutral and brown, black or gray for 3 phase AC if that's what you mean. There's no red for example (at least since the 1970s). And they all come in different sizes so you couldn't use a blue ferrule for neutral unless it's 2.5 mm²

@ian1352 3 жыл бұрын

Looking at the colours Hellermann use for theirs the two smallest ones appear to be the Weidmuller colours, then they switch to French!

@efixx 3 жыл бұрын

Where would we be without regulations 🤣

@jamesmcgill8645 3 жыл бұрын

I know you don't need to, but can you use ferrules with Wago light connectors? I'm wiring a boat so all the cables are multi strand, and some of the lighting cable is .75 and doesn't catch in the Wagos.

@efixx 3 жыл бұрын

On the 224 type wagons you could use on the flex side.

@thattoolguy9432 4 жыл бұрын

Gaz should invent a UK colour scheme, esp as were leaving the EU ... great video as was the last as i bought those wiha crimpers , been after something that does up to 16mm for years... cheers guys

@efixx 4 жыл бұрын

Great -send us a few pics when you’ve tried them out.

@thattoolguy9432 4 жыл бұрын

@@efixx I shall see what i can do, mainly going to use it for DC work as i do a fair bit of marine installation, i use a cembre one on site it does the job but limited to 6mm

@morkthebuilder9943 3 жыл бұрын

But are these ok to use on UK domestic systems? Do they comply or are they Suitable-for 240 volts.

@gettogo0159 5 ай бұрын

@morkthebuilder9943 > yes.... There used in power boards/MCB fuse boxes/home power supplies etc. The uninsulated type ( no plastic) are great for butt splicing (joining two wires together) or just cleaning up a loose conduct wire end before you put them in the main connection. If you have more than one wire going into one entry up the size & crimp it down, twin types ain't needed often.

@JeremyCook 3 жыл бұрын

So is there a US American Ferrule standard? Any idea if they're actually required in the US, or the UK for that matter? They seem to be used a lot here in the US for industry, but not sure if they are actually required. I have much less experience with home wiring, but I don't think they're used in that environment much.

@efixx 3 жыл бұрын

There is a UL standard for ferrule systems - which is a combination of wire, ferrule and a specified crimp tool to match the ferrule - I’ll try to dig up the exact UL number.

@JeremyCook 3 жыл бұрын

@@efixx Thanks, that would be much appreciated!

@westwonic 2 жыл бұрын

Can't see these needed in America as they can't be used in wire nuts....

@CurvedSlightly 3 жыл бұрын

Knipex do ferrule crimp pliers, I think they are better and easier to use than the ratchets but you might struggle with larger ones. And I don't agree using the sleeved/insulated ferrules in terminal blocks or PCB headers, they tend to bend and crack too easily

@Ni5ei 4 жыл бұрын

6:05 That's actually very doable. If you repeat 3 colours in the same order it would be very simple. The difference between the same coloured diameters is big enough so you won't accidentally use a wrong one. For example, RED 0.14, 0.50, 1.50, 6.00, 25.00 WHITE 0.25, 0.75, 2.50, 10.00, 35.00 BLUE 0.34, 1.00, 4.00, 16.00, 50.00

@forrellarrindell3104 4 жыл бұрын

Where can I find that crimper which you gays are using?

@efixx 4 жыл бұрын

Check out the link in the video description - part No also listed

@ianwatson2285 4 жыл бұрын

What. No EU standard? Will edition 18 clarify?

@brianoceallaigh8714 4 жыл бұрын

is the green ferule always used to denote earth or cpc?

@efixx 4 жыл бұрын

No relation to ferrules and wire function.

@AE-mu1jc 4 жыл бұрын

No. The ferulles have nothing to do with the function of a cable. The color code is only for the worker with the flexible cable for see direkt what qmm it have. For hard cable do not need them. If you use the Wago 222 do you not need them too.

@DynamicSeq 2 жыл бұрын

Hmm... Always trying to match the wire color...

@fauxque5057 2 ай бұрын

Color code? I pick them on a do they fit basis not colors.

@AE-mu1jc 4 жыл бұрын

Moin! I am a german guy how use the Weidmüller system since around 25 years im my job and private. I never confuses after I use only *one* system only. To the DIN norm. The "Deutsche Institut für Normung" or new "Deutsche Industrie Norm" give out many norm document but they let press it outside. So do you must/should buy a book for money if do you want have DIN xxxx. Sometimes change the DIN norm or go into an EU-norm. Or the DIN xxxx gone for ever e.g. DIN for steam locomotive boiler.

@efixx 4 жыл бұрын

Thanks for the feedback Armin - we are using the Weidmuller system moving forward.

@kakarlsen 5 ай бұрын

Imagine my confusion when ordering 0,75 mm Weidmüller ferrules with light blue sleeves. Turns out they were made by Weidmüller, but with French colours. The Weidmüller colours seem to be most common in Norway.

@efixx 5 ай бұрын

We share your pain 😂

@leebrodie8 4 жыл бұрын

Normally in a wiring panel, if they have used ferrules they, would have also used idents, these idents are what you would be using to identify the cables.

@RWATraineeElectrician 4 жыл бұрын

That's what I was thinking.

@itscoconutsaregood 3 жыл бұрын

Market protectionism at it's best: the electrical industry. Not even the EU has fixed this mess.

@mrcharlieatkins 4 жыл бұрын

Why not just put the number of the size on it...?

@DreitTheDarkDragon 2 жыл бұрын

Reminds me how I opened new machine and saw mess of red wires with red ferrules. "Yeah, it's all 1.5 mm^2". It wasn't :D

@9plusinstalaciones 4 жыл бұрын

Well i've never seen any red ferrules but ill see if there a Spanish system but i think it'll be whatever is in the shop/box

@fauxque5057 2 ай бұрын

I bought a variety pack of different larger sized ferrules on amazon. Every size was red. What I haven't seen is black and I'd be a buyer for the same sizes in black. From 4 to 10 gauge

@lewismarran8650 4 жыл бұрын

I think Gary’s system would work. Plus the chart would be smaller 😂!

@efixx 4 жыл бұрын

Thanks 🤣. Gaz 👍

@ThePadadada Жыл бұрын

didnt know there was a second german one im accustomed to the din one

@bigdaddy8567 3 жыл бұрын

They should print the size on the plastic shoulder

@peterl.deegan9059 2 жыл бұрын

Never gave it much thought work on ships. We get parts from all over place. Always hated ferrule colours as couldn't get used to them. Now see why. Always buying them using mm size.

@dasy2k1 2 жыл бұрын

Just looked at my random box of ferrules. Looks like they used DIN colour code

@acespark1 Жыл бұрын

A few years ago I was working with a person known for his clumsiness, wiring a small loading station on a fertiliser plant. I was incharge of the box of ferrules and the box of coloured letters and numbers. First the idiot knocked over the box of letters and numbers as he realised my slight annoyance he stepped backwards on to the edge of the ferrule box catapulting all the contents up into the air all over us both. Till this day the evidence of what happened is still there. Each box contained 5000 items, certainly cost a few quid. 😒🤡🐔

@zedman442 4 жыл бұрын

Clear as mud 😂

@jeffmoye 4 жыл бұрын

You can tell the csa of a cable without a ferrule by just looking, right? So what difference does the colour of the ferrule make? Why not just consider it a convenience for you at the point of installation so you can easily tell which one to use... Would have even better to use the colours to mark the cable function - all of the sizes in all of the colours. But that horse has already bolted.

@efixx 4 жыл бұрын

Most cables have the csa of the cores marked on the insulation jacket. The colour code does not match the function of the cable, In control cabinets you can have multiple voltages and functions -e.g signal cables. Better to use cable markers to identify functions.

@sharpy167 4 жыл бұрын

The British system is ?

@efixx 4 жыл бұрын

We made it up from elements of German and French systems - Red, White & Blue

@mattylad8035 3 жыл бұрын

Don't ya just like a standardised colour code for stuff. :)

@gazdkw82 4 жыл бұрын

Never understood why so many systems for such a simple object. Very confusing and creates more head scratching for the installer. One thing as well, like me, many people have inherited and built up a stock of ferrules. Most likely a mix of different systems. What chance do we have of knowing we have the right ferrule for the right conductor. It’s bonkers

@efixx 4 жыл бұрын

We share your pain!

@danielvelinski9522 4 жыл бұрын

Why can't we agree on just one colour code?

@WorBlux 2 жыл бұрын

White, all of them should be white. There you go, problem solved. (Not even joking) it's what we do at work, easy to work with in the field and no trying to explain to anyone why there are different colors on the wire terminations. The fancy mode is buy the sizes in the colors of your wires, and match them (looks really sexy, but is a bit of a PITA)

@tunintunin3417 3 жыл бұрын

Hey, the US don’t even require them in their panels.

@terrytugwood7848 2 жыл бұрын

Din stand for Deutsche Institut fur Normung which translates to German institute for standards

@Wintersky136 2 жыл бұрын

It‘s Weidmueller! A german ü is ue in english

@stevethomas5849 4 жыл бұрын

Harmonised me thinks not.

@georgeberrill4834 3 жыл бұрын

That was a lot of hot air about ferrule colours, who really cares what colour the ferrules are, it's the cable colour or cable tag that I'm more concerned with.

@efixx 3 жыл бұрын

If you are building a machine panel to DIN standards you’d care.

@georgeberrill4834 3 жыл бұрын

@@efixx Most of the panels I worked on only used black cables and were designated with idents, so whatever colour the ferrule was made no difference. With the very small wire we used they tendered to be uniform and looked very tidy.

@9plusinstalaciones 4 жыл бұрын

Im going to have to say there's 1.5mm grey

@efixx 4 жыл бұрын

Oh no - what system does that come from.

@9plusinstalaciones 4 жыл бұрын

@@efixx I was under the impression that even through there are standards or better, codes of practice adopted by certain countries, that hasn't limited to production of colour coding. I'm pretty sure it's down to the manufacturer more than anything else. Mark

@9plusinstalaciones 4 жыл бұрын

@@efixx Have to say, here in the Canary Islands we are mainly following the French code going from the colours I have in the Ferrule box, with a couple from both German Codes.

@rimmersbryggeri 3 жыл бұрын

Weissmüller not Weebmuller.

@DavidBerquist334 3 жыл бұрын

I thought england is red live black neutral green ground Germany black live blue neutral yellow green ground

@ChrisHills44 4 жыл бұрын

It must be very difficult to be an electrician if you are colour blind.

@hevimetallimias 3 жыл бұрын

Well, in my country you can't be electrician if you're colorblind, you have to pass a test to see if you are colorblind before you can apply to become a electrician. Ofc that doesnt stop you from doing jobs w/o license etc..

@andrewthomas405 3 жыл бұрын

Well we don’t want tge french system do we ..french want french as the universal language ....everybody know god spoke English 😈😈😈👍👍🇬🇧🇬🇧

@davidmarsden8868 4 жыл бұрын

I thought everything was unified in the EU, obviously not

@rooselectrix4846 4 жыл бұрын

The codes are too complex and, frankly, quite useless. I just match the colour of the ferrule shoulder to the colour of the cable insulation. I use green for cpc. I have only seen technicolour ferrules in motor control circuits and electronic stuff.

@dalriada842 4 жыл бұрын

Do you only use 6 and 16 square mm cpcs? Those are the only two ferrules that use that colour according to their chart. I would doubt the integrity of a connection made where there is a significant difference between the cable csa and the ferrule used!

@JimWhitaker 3 жыл бұрын

For my money then, pick a ferrule into which the copper will just fit. Good crimp and Bob's your uncle. Colour coding is entirely useless.

@stephenlittle7534 3 жыл бұрын

I am Not this Old. But the OLD BRITISH COLOURS WERE RED White Blue on 3 phase. So Why Red Yellow Blue. Well if the colours faded you got back to the old colours ish. So to speak. And Now Brown Black Blue. (Blue Being Neutral.) Why god only knows.