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FF7 Rebirth Theories: Zack's Fate, Sephiroth's Goal

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ProfNoctis

ProfNoctis

Күн бұрын

What's going on with Zack at the end of Final Fantasy VII Remake? What is Sephiroth's goal? Why would he call Meteor? At the end of my last stream, I speculated what I think is happening with all of this, using my recent video on Eligor. ( • Why I Love the Train G... )
Almost like we are tag teaming this topic from different angles, I appreciate the words ‪@off-meta-michael‬ used in his recent video on the Stagnant Reality and highly suggest you check it out! Link to his video at the end of this one.

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@Kinslayu
@Kinslayu 6 ай бұрын
Zack being in the lifestream is my ideal situation with all of this. They can use this to further develop lore of the lifestream, and people can't be mad that "Zack is alive"
@profnoctis
@profnoctis 6 ай бұрын
I agree. I think it’s the perfect answer to the dilemma
@ash_yt0
@ash_yt0 3 ай бұрын
I think that's basically it. The main world is the surface world of the whispers which is shaped by fate. Then you have the promised land at the heart of the planet where souls are reunited with their hopes and dreams. And then the "worlds" are between these two realms are the experiences of spirits who have been chosen by fate to return to the planet, but perhaps don't want to go, so they reject fate (which also screws with their perception of linear time.) Either by Zack refusing to die because he wants to get back to Aerith, or Cloud refusing to let Aerith go, which will have her awaken in another world rather than the promised land. But the main drive of the story seems to be that if they succumb to the will of the planet, they will get what they want in the end. Cloud will see Aerith in the promised land, and so will Zack. Fate will eventually guide Zack back to the promised land... where he will enjoy a slice of Pizza with Wedge and Biggs. If they actually have them eating pizza in the promised land in Part 3, I'd be so happy... and it would be IMO genius to make them eat all of it, but they're too full to eat the final slice which is located in the same portion of the circle you'd find Sector 7 in Midgar. So they leave it for when Cloud arrives.
@ash_yt0
@ash_yt0 6 ай бұрын
My guess for the 3rd title is, Remembrance. 3 reasons. 1. All the titles have been synonyms meaning to return. Remembrance invokes a feeling of nostalgia and revisiting / returning to memories of things and people who are beloved etc. It is definitely a synonym that works with the idea of revisiting something. Reclaim also kind of does, but I think that is a little too war-like. It implies not just a return, but a return specifically to deprive someone else of a thing you believe to be yours. Which doesn't feel right to me. Reclaiming the planet from Sephiroth doesn't seem right, because the planet doesn't belong to anyone. 2. The concept of memories and cherishing them is basically the ultimate message of FF7. The lifestream is a river of memories. The idea is that Aerith has died but her legacy lives on via Cloud's memories (as does Sephiroth in a twisted dark version of that.) So to have the title be the main thrust of the game's ethos seems like a nice fit. Re-Memory. It also ties into Loveless with the line about offering thee this sacrifice invoking the idea of Remembrance day where you take a moment to remember fallen heroes in war who paid the ultimate sacrifice to ensure others might live etc. And 3. It was a word used in the very first FF7 Reveal trailer. The line "...With each fond remembrance..." I think SE would think themselves big brained geniuses if they slyly revealed the 3rd act's title in the announcement teaser for the 1st game, and it takes people ages to realise this.
@profnoctis
@profnoctis 6 ай бұрын
I like the idea. I don’t love the idea of Reclaim, but it would make sense to me. I think I prefer something like “Return” which would allow the cycle of souls to return to normal, and people to return to the planet properly
@Kaptime
@Kaptime 6 ай бұрын
9:08, I can''t wait for that iconic moment where Aerith hears "Hey, thank-you for the follow, Dark-Cloud."
@profnoctis
@profnoctis 6 ай бұрын
Hahahaha
@off-meta-michael
@off-meta-michael 6 ай бұрын
Agree with what you said at the end that this is amazing that we can take ff7 and have it be fresh again with the Remake project. I love that it doesn't nullify the original and i think these story decisions they've made give old fans a lot more to look forward to.
@profnoctis
@profnoctis 6 ай бұрын
100%
@andrewlavigne44
@andrewlavigne44 6 ай бұрын
Midgar in Zack's "world" also appears different in both the 7 Remake ending and the clips we've seen of Rebirth. Numbers are missing from the reactors, some color and shape differences of the outer wall, and also in the clip you played around 10 minutes of Zack dragging Cloud to the gates someone put together that they appear to be outside of Sector 6 - but the plate is not missing! It seems to be in construction and almost done, despite the completion and fall happening years earlier.
@profnoctis
@profnoctis 6 ай бұрын
Yeah! A lot of really interesting clues there. Excited to see what happens
@delikatessbruhe9843
@delikatessbruhe9843 6 ай бұрын
I fully agree about how it's a gift that no matter how well you know the OG, you still need to theorise, speculate and be anxious about the story and the characters. I am also more than okay with it being 3 parts. Whenever I talk to people who don't know FF7 well they're like "oh yeah, it's a cashgrab" (I mean, on some level, sure, I guess) and I try to explain that no, the way it's looking right now, each of these games is WORTH full price much more than many other games that try to sell a full story. Plus, spending hours picking things apart, speculating and discussing what might be with the community - all that to me is at least half the fun. And we couldn't have any of that if they'd given us the full story in one OR if it were a completely faithful retelling.
@profnoctis
@profnoctis 6 ай бұрын
Totally
@andrecaldwell4891
@andrecaldwell4891 6 ай бұрын
Even so, the only people that has acknowledged Zack’s existence is “supposedly alive Biggs” a Marlene (who speaks to ghost). Yes, he passed a motionless Cloud off to Kyrie, but look at the scene carefully. Kyrie does not acknowledge Zack, just the motionless Cloud.
@profnoctis
@profnoctis 6 ай бұрын
Good observation. What do you think that means?
@andrecaldwell4891
@andrecaldwell4891 6 ай бұрын
I truly believe that remake, is essentially just a New Game+. That the new content are additions to flush out the story and enhance the experience. As it relates to Zack. I believe he is what Aerith appeared to Cloud in the flower bed during that night scene. That Aerith was aware of her death, and even informed Cloud “We all will return to the planet, and not to fall in love with her”. I believe it is the same for Zack, he is aware of his death. How it relates to the story is unknown.
@andrecaldwell4891
@andrecaldwell4891 6 ай бұрын
I truly believe that remake, is essentially just a New Game+. That the new content are additions to flush out the story and enhance the experience. As it relates to Zack. I believe he is what Aerith appeared to Cloud in the flower bed during that night scene. That Aerith was aware of her death, and even informed Cloud “We all will return to the planet, and not to fall in love with her”. I believe it is the same for Zack, he is aware of his death. How it relates to the story is unknown.
@andrecaldwell4891
@andrecaldwell4891 6 ай бұрын
I truly believe that remake, is essentially just a New Game+. That the new content are additions to flush out the story and enhance the experience. As it relates to Zack. I believe he is what Aerith appeared to Cloud in the flower bed during that night scene. That Aerith was aware of her death, and even informed Cloud “We all will return to the planet, and not to fall in love with her”. I believe it is the same for Zack, he is aware of his death. How it relates to the story is unknown.
@andrecaldwell4891
@andrecaldwell4891 6 ай бұрын
I truly believe that remake, is essentially just a New Game+. That the new content are additions to flush out the story and enhance the experience. As it relates to Zack. I believe he is what Aerith appeared to Cloud in the flower bed during that night scene. That Aerith was aware of her death, and even informed Cloud “We all will return to the planet, and not to fall in love with her”. I believe it is the same for Zack, he is aware of his death. How it relates to the story is unknown.
@jayo615
@jayo615 6 ай бұрын
I think that theory of cloud seeing zack but knowing it’s him as a whisper is foreshadowed by the new train graveyard where the party finds the identity of the ghost there to be an actual child they may have known
@profnoctis
@profnoctis 6 ай бұрын
Yeah! Did you see my recent Eligor video???
@Sarafara7
@Sarafara7 6 ай бұрын
I also believe it’s a retelling of the 97 game but with a lot more detail. I don’t think they’d go as far as changing up the story so much. They know people will be upset.
@profnoctis
@profnoctis 6 ай бұрын
Agreed
@Kendo_VII
@Kendo_VII 6 ай бұрын
I love this positive vibes in your videos Prof, thanks. I've been thinking a lot about Zack's fate in this trilogy. I think Sephirot will try his best to safe Aeris, so she can't save the planet. Sefirot says a couple times that Cloud can't save anyone even himself, so maybe that's why he need Zack alive, to save her. 😅 For the title of the 3r installment i go with REQUIEM. I'm sure u know the meaning of this. Requiem it's a mass for the repose of the souls of the dead. Peace.
@bigtatsu
@bigtatsu 6 ай бұрын
I like it. It's a great closure for the trilogy of this number series.
@profnoctis
@profnoctis 6 ай бұрын
Hoo boy that’d be wild. And I love the idea for a requiem!
@aerithgrowsflowers
@aerithgrowsflowers 6 ай бұрын
Couldn't agree more, I love the direction the developers are going with this. Feels like the gift of the goddess.
@profnoctis
@profnoctis 6 ай бұрын
It really is a gift
@Daniikar
@Daniikar 6 ай бұрын
So basically your saying whispers are just basically what we consider ghosts of the lifestream, so basically whispers are in purgatory/lifestream and can be seen by some people like with ghosts. I also hope it's not this confusing in the actual game.
@profnoctis
@profnoctis 6 ай бұрын
Kind of, yeah. For a fuller discussion of my thoughts on whispers, check out my 15-min video lecture on what the whispers are.
@profnoctis
@profnoctis 6 ай бұрын
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@renaudtheunissen8935
@renaudtheunissen8935 6 ай бұрын
Probably a sequel indeed. Also they were saying that the lifestream is connecting all life (and time) together. Sephiroth did bring Cloud a the edge of time, the very beginning of everything. So he could go back, created a fork in timeline and created remake so he could get what he wants. Also, special scene to be seen (lost city) maybe the party will “go” to the other timeline (maybe the switch between worlds is by falling in coma (as for Aerith )).
@profnoctis
@profnoctis 6 ай бұрын
Could be. But I think Sephiroth’s foreknowledge comes from a different means. So I’m not sold on it being a sequel.
@andrecaldwell4891
@andrecaldwell4891 6 ай бұрын
I believe that the characters that “appear” to be alive, are on borrowed time. That when the “7” seconds elapses, and worlds collide, only one can coexist. I am certain, that all that Sept did, was to obtain Cloud. Our Cloud is well, and on the way to Kalm. Broken Cloud that is with Zack is vulnerable. Despite that Cloud is broken and weak. That is STILL the same Cloud that mustered the strength to kill Seph. Seph needs Clouds strength. He will get that strength from broken Cloud. Broken Cloud (controlled or influenced by Seph) kills sleeping Aerith when she wakes. Show down with Zack ;)
@profnoctis
@profnoctis 6 ай бұрын
Yikes that’d be wild
@andrecaldwell4891
@andrecaldwell4891 6 ай бұрын
The voice actor for Cloud stated recently, that Cloud becomes unhinged. We’ve been teased with broken Cloud headed to the reunion.
@jb_0029
@jb_0029 6 ай бұрын
Regardless of whether it’s an intentional sequel or not, the modifications to the original’s story and the foreknowledge of Aerith/Sephiroth about the original timeline make it a sequel.
@profnoctis
@profnoctis 6 ай бұрын
Again, maybe. I’m going to wait til the end of part 3 to see if knowledge of the OG is necessary to understand this reimagining.
@ash_yt0
@ash_yt0 6 ай бұрын
I think it could be as simple as Cloud learning about Zack earlier in this game, while in Gongaga. With the whispers weakened, or at least the ones relating to Zack, maybe they are not around to stop Cloud from uncovering the truth early. He maybe could be holding a picture frame at Zack's folk's house and he recognises the man, but still forgets what happened to him.
@profnoctis
@profnoctis 6 ай бұрын
Definitely a more grounded explanation. I can see it
@MrDiomedes1977
@MrDiomedes1977 6 ай бұрын
In OG game between Cloud fake memories, Aerith and her mother only vaguely speaking about him,, and Gongaga being optional , as the Zack hidden scene, you could more or less "forget" about Zack until Tifa tells Cloud that his memories are false and that the guy who arrived with Sephiroth to Nibelheim wasnt him but Zack Fair. But now....Yuffie knows Zack from when she was a child, Cissnei knows Zack and Cloud, Aeris knows Zack, Tifa knows Zack, they are visiting Gongaga not optionally ...the "conversation" about him should arise more naturally.
@profnoctis
@profnoctis 6 ай бұрын
@@MrDiomedes1977 totally agree.
@Liquid_Luigi
@Liquid_Luigi 6 ай бұрын
One thing that’s on my mind is that something will happen and Cloud & Aerith will wake at the same time in Zack’s world, about been dead I don’t buy it in on the way to smile we see that the dead people is in like sleeping state, only a cetra can wake them up, I believe Zack arc is what happen when you challenge fate and I do want this to be a sequel, OG exists let’s have something new By the way just wanted to say that I’m enjoying your videos a lot, wonderful job And sorry if my English sucks is not my mother language
@profnoctis
@profnoctis 6 ай бұрын
I really appreciate your comment. And you could’ve fooled me- Your English is really good!
@Koniving
@Koniving 6 ай бұрын
3:10 (these three are from a "future timeline" or as originally written in Japanese, a "memory not yet realized" or in German, "a future memory") (and in the Ultimania, these three are Kadaj, Loz and Yazoo, forms of Sephiroth that may never be created. Sleepezi suggests they are deprived of what they gained from Sephiroth). Pretty certain that none of the material suggests an alternate universe/timeline just for Zack. So memories is one idea. However I feel it's much more straightforward. Zack is just shown a few months back. OG is written to have its first reactor mission December 9th 0007, remake world preview clearly stated the journey is beginning again, and that the date of the bombing mission is December 12th. Huge events happen that doom the planet in before crisis in October, Zack died/survived September 17th. In the OG Tifa finds him October 4th. In remake world preview they blanked the date, and in all non-English languages, Tifa says he showed up the night before the bombing mission when she explains what she told to Marle. (Worlds merging if not my world as an hourly employee/your world as a CEO that would never look at me as someone to date, a common anime trope that Tifa used to describe her crush on Cloud after he left in the tale of two pasts book, then its likely Jenova -- alien LifeStream, The Planet -- Earth LifeStream. If you get a chance, mute sounds and replay the Reno fight in the church. He talks about all the trouble caused the last time she left sector 5... The only other time she left was in October, where Cissinei and many other Turks had to fight a creature dubbed the World Ender in sector 5 in a singularity within weeks of Zack's death, which then launched most of them across the world. Run the game under the assumption Zack already survived and it makes so much more sense.
@profnoctis
@profnoctis 6 ай бұрын
Can definitely see it. I think the devs have intentionally made it ambiguous. However, if, as I described in a prior video, the lifestream’s memories are omnitemporal, that just means the AC trio exists in the future. I think it’s very likely that we will see Zack, etc existing in a future (lifestream-y) existence created by Sephiroth
@d3dnier398
@d3dnier398 6 ай бұрын
8:02 in JP trailer Cloud says Zack's name
@profnoctis
@profnoctis 6 ай бұрын
Yeah! That’s what I was thinking
@dannyfromtheville3613
@dannyfromtheville3613 6 ай бұрын
I'm still waiting for someone to explain how Aerith and Seph know what they know. How'd Aerith know Cloud's a merc? How'd she know Tifa was gonna ask her to get Marlene out of the bar? She's presumably showing Marlene and Red visions of the future so they know they can trust her so if this isn't a sequel then where's the frame of reference??
@profnoctis
@profnoctis 6 ай бұрын
Have you seen my video on the whispers and predestination? I explained it pretty in depth there.
@profnoctis
@profnoctis 6 ай бұрын
If not that’s okay. I explained how Aerith’s sensitivity to the planet’s voice and sephiroth’s time inside the lifestream (5 years ago) gave them both a foreknowledge of the planet.
@kingleepz
@kingleepz 6 ай бұрын
the "sorry I think I failed you" is actually Zacks VA, not Clouds, in Japanese(kzfaq.info/get/bejne/g9Z_pJuh1NfQlHU.html) it's a lot easier to tell that it's two different VA's, and I think it's Zack talking to Aerith because she's in a coma.
@profnoctis
@profnoctis 6 ай бұрын
I think that’s very very possible. I love what they did with that trailer
@pmontu333
@pmontu333 6 ай бұрын
I was so looking forward to this.
@profnoctis
@profnoctis 6 ай бұрын
To think it just casually came up at the end of my last stream
@Koniving
@Koniving 6 ай бұрын
1:00 If you're familiar with where Leslie is from in the novels, his girlfriend becomes his wife. And then Leslie kills Don Corneo in his wheelchair after learning Corneo still had some form of blackmail over her. Novel: The Kids Are Alright. Kyrie, Mirielle, Roche (unnamed but described), some others also found there.
@profnoctis
@profnoctis 6 ай бұрын
Love that novel. I’m very curious if Remake will follow that same canon, though. Based on what we’ve seen, it’s ambiguous, but I wouldn’t be shocked if it played out like that
@dreamphoenix
@dreamphoenix 6 ай бұрын
Thank you professor.
@profnoctis
@profnoctis 6 ай бұрын
You’re very welcome.
@williamlafond1319
@williamlafond1319 6 ай бұрын
Pretty sure the story is that the lifestream is a different world that is supperposed over "The planet". You go there when you die but you get tricked into thinking you did'nt but everyone who did'nt die died. It's probably why the whispers become zealous when trying to save or kill people, it'd put the simulation that is the lifestream in jeopardy. Now my theory makes sense until the final cutscenes of the game where Cloud comes across Cloud and Zack from 5 years prior. I guess the simulation is janky because of the mako being sucked out and burned.
@profnoctis
@profnoctis 6 ай бұрын
Still a ton of questions about all this for rebirth to answer. I need it
@zeromaim9331
@zeromaim9331 6 ай бұрын
In the spirit of making things up hehe I believe Sephiroth's goal is to reach the Creator with his consciousness intact. And to do this, he needs Omega activated same as it was in Dirge of Cerberus only this time he needs it to succeed in collecting the lifestream and return to the Creator. The lifestream right now is divided into the living world and the world of the dead (stasis world). When both are merged, I believe this will actuvate Omega and so I think that is what Sephiroth is trying to achieve when he said merging of both worlds. As for Zack, and the other dead characsters,I believe they went in to a dream state the moment they return to the lifestream. And this dream will slowly turn into despair while Jenova is corrupting them to become whispers. Jenova wants to travel from planet to planet precisely to prevent the lifestream feom returning to the Creator. Unfortunately Omega is present in all lifestream as a failsafe system so that if planet is lost, the Creator can still regain the lifstream. This mean the for Jenova to succeed, she needs to take Omega out of the picture. Up to this point in Dirge of Cerberus, it was all Jenova's scheme to use Cloud's party in destroying Omega.
@profnoctis
@profnoctis 6 ай бұрын
I can go along with a lot of this. ESP the Zack and other dead characters stuff
@CrazyNerdSarah
@CrazyNerdSarah 6 ай бұрын
I agree to this to a point. I think that it's quite possible that they're in limbo, but it begs the question: How is it that Cloud and Aerith are in the same place as Zack while also being in a completely different world? I think about the scene at the end of Remake where Cloud and Aerith are walking away from Midgar and you see Zack and Cloud walk between them toward Midgar. Obviously, Cloud hasn't died yet that we know of unless they change that for Rebirth. Neither has Aerith who you see in one of the trailers in the same room as Zack. Also how does it work considering that Marlene is also talking to Zack at one point and she's definitely not dead? Also in reference to the possible whisper of Zack talking to Cloud, I think it's quite possible. The other idea that I had is just in the same way that Sephiroth talks to Cloud in those strange moments (Like when Cloud first learns of the possibility that Sephiroth is alive) like it's quite possible that's how Cloud is talking to Zack.
@profnoctis
@profnoctis 6 ай бұрын
Possibly! I’m not sure it’s a limbo, necessarily, unless it’s a limbo of memories/consciousness. Everyone who ever existed may be present there. But what’s interesting is, those who could change fate are comatose. They exist perhaps on a different plane. It’s interesting to consider. We don’t have enough facts yet to determine why Marlene etc are there.
@CrazyNerdSarah
@CrazyNerdSarah 6 ай бұрын
You’re definitely not the first person who I’ve seen say the whole comatose theory. It would make a ton of sense. I think it will be really interesting to see how they play out Zack’s whole story arc in this game because there’s so much that could be done and so much that could happen. I’m just excited to see if Cloud and Zack could get a moment together again because if they’re adding elements that connect to AC, it would add so much to their interaction in the movie. Or at least that’s my idea. Guess we have to wait another month to figure that out.
@profnoctis
@profnoctis 6 ай бұрын
@@CrazyNerdSarah I’m very very excited to see it
@pauldavis7318
@pauldavis7318 6 ай бұрын
I'm 99% sure it's a sequel... it's pretty obvious if you played the entire original and Remake
@profnoctis
@profnoctis 6 ай бұрын
Kinda! I've played the original at least once a year since 1997, and thoroughly enjoyed remake multiple times. While I can see how it can be a sequel, I think most things can be answered in-game through an omnitemporal lifestream. We'll find out soon enough!
@DoubleTap_Gaming
@DoubleTap_Gaming 6 ай бұрын
Be really cool as if after the third installment comes out at the very end we wake up from something and we’re back in that PlayStation one error graphics
@profnoctis
@profnoctis 6 ай бұрын
I’d laugh so hard
@Dracobyte
@Dracobyte 6 ай бұрын
Great theory video!!
@profnoctis
@profnoctis 6 ай бұрын
Hey thanks! Just casual chatting at the end of the stream haha
@GaijinHimoto
@GaijinHimoto 6 ай бұрын
I think it may be revelation
@profnoctis
@profnoctis 6 ай бұрын
Could be. Has certain end-times implications
@JayJoe1984
@JayJoe1984 6 ай бұрын
Is that not Zack's voice saying you were here with me 5 yrs ago? He wonders where Cloud went after his death..
@profnoctis
@profnoctis 6 ай бұрын
I think that’s cloud’s voice. And “I feel like I failed you” is Zack’s
@dannyfromtheville3613
@dannyfromtheville3613 6 ай бұрын
​@@profnoctis💯
@jeremymclaughlin5380
@jeremymclaughlin5380 6 ай бұрын
What if we finish the entire game just to figure out the ps1 title was all a prophecy Aerith had while holding her flowers in Midgar with the green mako in her face?
@profnoctis
@profnoctis 6 ай бұрын
It’s very very possible. In fact, probable.
@meggiesan8340
@meggiesan8340 6 ай бұрын
Speaking of “thin places,” have you read ToTP Episode Aerith?
@profnoctis
@profnoctis 6 ай бұрын
I sure have. Excellent use of thin places.
@pauldavis7318
@pauldavis7318 6 ай бұрын
You're partially wrong about Sephiroths motive in the original game. He wants to use meteor not to cause a wound to the planet so large where it cannot heal itself. Instead, he wants to cause a wound so large, that when the planet shunts the life stream to the location of the wound to heal it, he'll be there to absorb all of the life stream energy and this becomes a god.
@profnoctis
@profnoctis 6 ай бұрын
Yep! He wants to injure the planet with meteor and stand in the wound to absorb it and become a new god-- a new lifestream all within himself.
@cemarz
@cemarz 6 ай бұрын
​@@profnoctisA lifestream within himself? We are directly told that using the lifestream/mako as energy destroys it.
@CalebHicks87
@CalebHicks87 6 ай бұрын
Requiem. Religion ceremony for the dead.
@profnoctis
@profnoctis 6 ай бұрын
Love it
@kennethguinto4862
@kennethguinto4862 6 ай бұрын
The remake world where the main party resides is a similar world to the original 1997 but not the same . I simply call it Aerith's world why ? because thats where she will live(take it or take it lol). this is also true with Zacks's world a similar world but not identical to the OG. NOW Both worlds have their own reality , space and time continuum. They are definitely the NOT THE PAST of the original 1997 .... all things in the 1997 game all of that already happened but someone from that reality definitely wants a different future from himself obviously that is Sephiroth . Sephiroth is god like but not a god . if he is that powerful he could have just altered his own reality but he cant so he sought in the lifestream other possibilities hence why he is wreaking havoc in Aerith's world probably because it is the closest one to his. A lot FFVII have not played chrono cross.. this is a very similar situation to that
@profnoctis
@profnoctis 6 ай бұрын
Def has overlap with Chrono Cross, doesn’t it? Yeah I hope they will be explicit in explaining this stuff
@kennethguinto4862
@kennethguinto4862 6 ай бұрын
@@profnoctis its near identical to be honest. FATE the one responsible to most things was created by Belthazar from the mother circuit of the Chrono Trigger world... Hence basically Sephiroth... the only thing thats kinda switched is that The ANOTHER world of Cross is where FATE executed most of its plans.... its counterpart is THE main remake world. Whist the HOME world is where Serge resides and was the one that crossed wrolds... i predict Zack is the One from his world that will cross worlds. Its actually not that much complicated if you actually treat the worlds simply as different worlds... no singularity complication , paradoxes or repercussions of incursions . Occam's razor or law of parsimony ... they are simply from 3 worlds who's future is still to be determined. the only known fact right now is Sephiroth is dead in 1997 game. events there already happened and its present and future is a world where sephiroth is gone...that is not the case yet on the main remake world and zack's world
@profnoctis
@profnoctis 6 ай бұрын
@@kennethguinto4862 great points.
@HLeanderthal37
@HLeanderthal37 6 ай бұрын
What do you think about actual “thin spaces?” I’ve had dreams where I’ve been spoken to by people who have passed, and the messages they bring are true. And I don’t tend to throw that out there because it sounds crazy 😂 But someone really close to me passed away in 2018, and in a dream not long after she died, I asked her how much longer my dad had. She said 5 years. At the beginning of 2023, my grandmother who died in 1996 showed up in a dream and said it would be this year. So I was really prepared. I already knew it was going to happen. And he died September 1st, 3 days after I turned 40.
@profnoctis
@profnoctis 5 ай бұрын
I believe the concept is rooted in real experiences. I used to work as a hospice chaplain and the stories I experienced there still give me goosebumps. Especially when it comes to dreams like you describe, there seems to be something more going on. Thanks for sharing. I don’t know how to explain any of it- naturally a few impulses in the brain and memory activation… but supernaturally, especially with premonitions like you describe, it gets a bit more mysterious.
@HLeanderthal37
@HLeanderthal37 5 ай бұрын
@@profnoctis I’m a nurse now (saw the error of my ways working at Comcast/Shinra HQ) and have witnessed some uncanny things. There have been multiple instances in which people who are close to passing only let go after a visit from their pastor. Same day. There’s really no way to do anything other than speculate, but there does seem to be a way to connect beyond the physical (and chronological?) limitations we consider as reality. I finally caught a live twitch stream. Yuffie vs Bahamut 😂☠️
@profnoctis
@profnoctis 5 ай бұрын
@@HLeanderthal37 OOF what an embarrassing fight
@ash_yt0
@ash_yt0 3 ай бұрын
@@HLeanderthal37 I figure I'd post since I'm also interested in exploring life's mysteries etc. But I figure I'd come from a different angle. If you're 40 (a time when many people start to lose their parents... I lost my dad in my 20s but I lost him fairly young) and you're a nurse who likely has a sense of when someone is in good health due to interacting with people across the full spectrum of good and ill health, it seems rather normal to dread the passing of your parent, and to anticipate it. I know I did. Especially while dreaming when your subconscious explores ideas and fears with inhibition. You also dream about so much every night that you will naturally forget the vast majority of ideas that didn't have relevance in your life, while specifically highlighting things that did seem to be relevant. Kind of like how it's more likely to have experienced a moment in your life where you thought about a person, and then the phone started ringing with them on the other end, than to not have experienced that fairly common coincidence... because of how we all think about people all the time, and we get called often, so at least a couple of times, the person we're thinking of will be the person who is calling just by probability over the course of your life. I'm not trying to tell you what to think, but more say that it's good to explore all possibilities and to not become too attached to one in particular that you can't explore alternate ideas. These things I've mentioned seem more likely to have a more straightforward explanation to me, than invoking spiritual realms etc. which requires extra assumptions (assumptions that are kind of wild and are about things no human could possibly know...) so I'd personally lean toward the more straightfoward. But I'm all ears as to good reasons why I'm in error, hence the posting. I've had dreams about my dad. Mostly right after he died, and I had the "clouded eyes" (to avoid Rebirth spoilers) and was half way knowing he died in the dream, and yet also being relieved in the dream he was still around and my trauma was unwarranted, but knowing he was on borrowed time and had to go eventually. I interpret that as my mind being in the process of going through my memories and updating them to the new reality I find myself in, which can take time as the brain is a physical entity which takes time to reshaped via that process. And also a dream maybe about a year ago where he was there and I knew in the moment of the dream that I had an opportunity to feel the sensation of hugging my dad again as though it were real, and so I did. That is the power of dreams to me, and I'm grateful for that even though I don't assume my dad got to hug me again. Basically, I think you can enjoy the sensation of reliving the sensation of being in their presence again, without needing to necessarily add extra assumptions on top of that. But by all means you can say my skepticism is cynicism if you like lol, it's all good. I'm just trying to do the same thing, unravel the mysteries of life, death and examine spirituality in the same way.
@karimmessaoudi4327
@karimmessaoudi4327 4 ай бұрын
I think unfortunately cloud must die in the third part, otherwise sephiroth will continue to come back.
@ash_yt0
@ash_yt0 3 ай бұрын
The entire point about FF7 is that Cloud learns how to keep living his life, despite the losses he endures. Same goes for many characters, Barret losing Dyne, Tifa losing her father. Sephiroth preys upon Cloud's inability to let go... but in Advent Children he finally conquers Sephiroth... FFVII only makes sense as a story if Cloud lives, because it's about the pain of those who go on living, and how to turn that pain into joy by making the most of your memories while you still have them.
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