Coda Mission love this ❤️

Coda Mission The only main thing he couldn’t sacrifice was his faith and Chava sadly crossed that boundary.

thatoneguy true. It brought him so much pain to disown his daughter. Comprise his faith ? That was a tough no-no

He has to say no at some point. Actually,you know what? Not true. He does say no to Chava.

Barbie Alexander he said no twice. But it bend his faith m. It bend tradition. Agreed

Tzeitel had the right of it, that was a hell of a line

I know this movie and one punch man;)

Look at her face after that... she never wanted him more

Motel was never going to let Zeitel go without a fight - he stood his ground because he loved her. L'chaim!!

Tzeitel was the one who said it originally to him so it must mean even more for her that he is using her strength as his own 🥺🥺😭😭

Oh wow. Thanks.

"He's starting to talk like a man!"

And you already knew he was going to break.

Why does it?

I've done this before to my father because of a desperate situation. And boy, was it a painful thing.

I always cry when I see this scene!

The fact that she had to beg him is what gets me. Because how many women from that time period begged their fathers for a bit of autonomy over their own lives and never got it?

"I won't be sorry? I'M SORRY ALREADY!"

A cold. Not a corpse.

@@sheilas1283 its definitely "corpse" lol.

@@sheilas1283 No, it's corpse. I got the book script from Amazon in the spring of 2000, and it says "corpse". Also, for years, my mom and I thought he said "cough", not "cold" or "corpse".

"You have a tongue. Talk" Hodel: THATSWHATIVEBEENTRYINGTODOALREADY

LOL 😂

Made my day

XD

makes a bullshit story of a dream of ghosts and shit

Sure.

That was a really big deal for these people in that time and place.

@@amyfisher6380 its also a big deal today. Us girls when we're hangry is no joke. None at all.

To me, its the greatest line Motel says in the film. Before this he is shy, retiring, meek, and people think he is unwilling to fight. Tevye shouts at him and he retreats... ...but then he roars back at Tevye that even a poor tailor can be given some happiness (just like a poor milkman)...and then follows it up with a very strong promise. Tevye wants his daughter to be cared for. That's why he arranged the marriage with Lazar Wolf. He wants to make sure she won't starve. Motel promises that she won't. Note, he doesn't say that he won't...he promises that SHE won't starve. And finally, Tevye recognizes him as a man. Willing to fight for his family and sacrifice for them. A worthy match for Tzeitel.

Wow

Too bad she did starve in the book…

Tevye: "On the other hand, I could on saying "on the other hand" forever. On the other hand, the producer told me that move is only two hours long."

Off topic, but I've always loved Tevye's shirt during this part of the movie. Looks so comfortable. I'd like a shirt made out of that material. Heavy flax linen probably.

AMEN (SPITS ON FLOOR)

Such an optimist

@@kgpspyguy as someone who wore those many times, it's the opposite of comfortable, unless you like feeling scratchy all over

What's a pushover for him? He's a father,

@@barbiealexander2744 A lot of fathers aren't as kind and hardworking. Some abandon, ignore, molest or torment their children.

He is easily the most lovable character in the play because of it.

It's the paradox of parenthood. Making your children happy while also maintaining your authority, not necessarily for the sake of power but for the sake of keeping them on the straight and narrow.

When you arrive at his age, you realize there are worse reasons to bend your principles than "it will make my daughter happy"

And then WWI,2revolutions and a civil war happen

@@user-my4lf4bx6v They go to Krakow. Poland was not the place to be a Jew in WW2. They should've went to America with the Tevye and Golde.

@@paulinotou well they've most likely would have very old by the Time of the Nazi Invasion of Poland on September 1st,1939 they probably would have escaped with their children and grandchildren

Also known as the things he hasn't been able to provide her

You're telling me. I'm the girl of musical movies. Including this one.

This scene has stuck with me since I was a little girl. My Dad never had anything to do with who I chose as partners but we had enormous fights about my being bi. He was an Atheist which helped, but we come from a place which is even now very homophobic, transphobic, racist etc. I spent my teen years through the 90's having endless rows in trying to show him why his views were harmful, and exposing him to my different friends from across the world. I always felt a connection to the daughter trying to get her Dad to understand that change doesn't have to be a bad thing. I was lucky, my Dad did learn from meeting a much wider group of people. Like They've he was never malicious, just unthinking. Just hadn't had the chance to learn that his views were hurting real people that he cared for. It's one of the great lessons of the film, that life is endless change, that tradition must always be examined and changed if it no longer fits the purposes of individuals and communities. As heartbreaking as much of the film is, and the awful way many of the characters would die in the end, it's an ultimately hopeful film. It shows we can all change and learn, if we decide to.

When he finally does get a machine he says "From now on all my clothes will be machine made. No more hand made clothes from me." Always makes me laugh

This is Talmudic reasoning. Examine a problem from all conceivable angles, then come up with the best solution.

Or good or bad.

Now I have to wonder if I started doing that after I saw this movie or if it is just a coincidence

There is no other hand!

how many hands does he have?

The "tradition is nothing without family" is so powerful it feels like a punch to the face, im so stealing that

“Help!”

he screams "TRADITION" in hopes that tradition will give him some reason other than "because that's how we've always done it", but tradition because tradition is not a good enough reason to do something. so the last shout of "TRADITION!" could be seen as the dying gasp of a tradition that outlived its usefulness.

I love it also.

Fortunately Tevye decides he's just crazy.

It's brilliant isn't it! I only really noticed it this time about #1547th time of watching!!

That is a great line. I should start using it.

except religion

Well, Motel respects Tevye like most people do. And the man can be a bit intimidating.

Especially to an utter milksop like Motel. In contrast Perchik is the polar opposite of him...even though he is a Commie.

What I really about this seen is when Motel spoke up and stood his ground to him, you can see new found respect for him.

Yeah,totally.

As a daughter what do you think about Tevye and Chava?

The song he sings after this scene is so cute.

He's like a puppy.

You're not wrong.

I think the point of the movie is with each younger daughter, they progressively get less traditional. The oldest marries a orthodox Jew and only really breaks tradition in terms of the marriage arrangement. The Second daughter marries a Jew but a very liberal one who opposes many traditions that aren't in Jewish doctrine. The 3rd one straight up doesn't even marry a Jew. Can only imagine the 2 youngest daughters.

@@kbye2321 at least an atheist would have been better than....*cough* those that drove them out of their land here

@@kbye2321 Shpritza actually kills herself (by drowning herself in a lake) due to the boy she likes/loves leaves her and changes his agreement to marry her. Bielke married a newly rich jewish boy, but he was a jerk, she agrees to marry him in order for Tevye to retire and for him to be taken care of. Bielke married for love for her famoly not love for a man

@@user-vt7tn2mu9o How do you know?

Yeah. What about it?

spasjt A cold. Not a corpse.

Caitlin Van Wie "on the other hand, what kind of a match would that be? A poor tailor."

"On the other hand, things cannot get worse, they can only get better"

LOVE They say the lights are always bright on Broadway "they all say"

So is the world.

That is confidence right there

He is the best!!

And the perfect voice. Rough, almost too loud at times but loving.

Also in the song matchmaker. Love the writing. “Ring me no ring Groom me no groom Find me no find Catch me no catch Unless he’s a matchless match”

Lol ye

If "darn good writing" was a pun, then my hat's off to you!

Me NotYou Jewish humor at its finest.

Matthew Smith Amen, and I'm a Messianic Jews myself.

Isn't that basically a kosher Christian?

He should be.

@@TriaMaxwell Pretty much.

Sure it does.

Yes, that is an ingenious way to show Tevye's inner musings at that specific time.

Motel later proofs himself.

You're right,

Tzietel was even more shocked.... Or she just went "Sploosh"

pokergalpoker it is

i thought the same thing & googled it a few days ago Valentina, do you have a link by chance? I can't find proof

no it isn't Rosalind Harris played Tzeitel

pokergalpoker never thought about that

for pokergalpoker - B. Streisand is one homely woman (even at the height of her career). I really can't understand why so many people think she is attractive.

To be honest, Teveye would only have been about 45ish anyway. GOlde mentions they've been married 25 years and saying they got married about 20-21ish. Yeah.

missrosito It was arranged by God, the ultimate papa

TRADITION!

@@warriorsiren2201 "Did Adam and Eve have a matchmaker? Yes, they did. And it seems these two have the same matchmaker."

I don't think the movie means to say that there is no value in traditions, but that in the larger, more godly view of the world, traditions mean nothing without family. So Tevye was ultimately wrong. It isn't tradition that allows them to keep their footing. It's family. For family is the root of all worthwhile traditions.

Note his shout is "Tradition!" not "Religion!"

@@Pfisiar22 I may be biased as an Orthodox Jew, but Tevye only disallowed his daughter to marry a non-jew, which is not even the slightest bit wrong.

@@yonatanbeer3475 The Orthodox Jews believe in 'tradition' over Father's Ways and Commandments, by following what their rabbis, the Pharisees and Sadducees of old, the Sanhedrin state to be the way to follow... 'tradition'. Man-made laws over Father's. That's what the whole problem is. After the Messiah came, in 27 AD, it was permissible for Jewish people to marry outside of their people. Father's edict not to marry outside of the 12 tribes of the Houses of Judah and Israel had a purpose. It was to keep the genetic lineage from Shem, to Abraham, to David, to Jesus, pure, free of DNA corruption. If you do not know who the Raphaim were, in the Word, and today, many Orthodox Jews do NOT know what these beings were... Genesis 6:1-6 and Jude 1:6 tells us what they were... the offspring of the fallen angels and the daughters of man, which began with Naamath, the sister of Tubal, Tubal-Cain, and Jubal, in Genesis 4:19-22 (notice how the Torah stops there at their generation and doesn't go any further with Cain's descendants... for a reason), as Naamath was given to the fallen angels as the first human wife of the fallen angels... the first to have sexual relations with them and have children. These are the descendants of the fallen angels that formed the tribes of people in the Promised Land that the Israelites had to kill off before entering it, on Father's orders... the entire reason why they ended up having to stay for 40 years in the wilderness, until those that were there and refused to enter the Promised Land out of fear, not trusting Father to lead the way to set these tribes up to be killed off by the Israelites, had died off, and the new generations were more trusting of Father's Ways. After Yeshua came, the need for keeping the lineage pure and clean from the fallen ones' corruption was no longer needed. For if your people had married outside of the 12 tribes, you would have brought in the DNA corruption, and then Yeshua would have no longer been the One that Father would have accepted as a sacrifice to redeem us all, to reconcile us back to Father as it was when Adam and Eve were in the Garden of Eden. This is why Yeshua called the Sanhedrin of His day, the synagogue of Satan, because they were following Satan's ways, over Father's ways. When you understand the context, the reasons why Father commanded the things He did, and learn to be obedient to Him, then it makes complete sense. Today, many do not know the context of the why these things happened. That's why Father says, 'My people are dying for lack of knowledge.' in Hosea 4:6. Today, they're stuck in tradition that is man-made, rather than HIS ways, and they will die as a result of not knowing the Truth.

@@Pfisiar22 I like your point. Also, I wasn’t trying to say there was no value in traditions. I was trying to make the point of blindly following them without even knowing why you do them. But I wholeheartedly agree on the importance of family since I was raised that way.

So's Neva Small.

They kind of are.

I love that part. So true lol

I’m sorry, I thought this was Ukraine!

@@barbiealexander2744 where exactly?

@@dainn0668 According to the story they're living in a tiny village called Anatevka in the Ukraine. I assume that that's a mythical village.

Get out.

BigBadSeed it does sound odd now , but to be fair Motel is repeating Tzeitel's words so it's less that he's entitled to her and more that she wants him.

LITCtophat Too bad, 7 dislikes either came from Laserwolf or his late wife Fruma Sarah.

And now there are nine

72 now... Monsters

74 now....😕

He had such a rich baritone! I know a lot of cantors are tenors, but he would've made a hell of a cantor!!

Meee - he's the walking definition of adorkable!!!

@@marikesl I know!!!!

I think he was both right and wrong. Traditions like obey your parents, respect your elders, etc. keep people in line and develop their characters but if you don't know the significance of those traditions, you'll just be going through the motions of life and you'll be miserable deep down because you're living without purpose. In addition (btw I'm American, so this is just my opinion), having someone arrange a marriage for you is bad because that person will mostly think about what benefits them and not the bride or groom, and if the bride and groom don't know/or love each other, the marriage will be more like a business contract than a loving relationship.

In alleged false historical oppression of women, they certainly ran the household with an iron fist - and they did a damn good job at it!

@@luckyvet It's not entirely false, but people don't get the fact that even though they had less rights than men, they still could be strong willed and archive stuff in their lives.

@@luckyvet women definitely were oppressed, you didn’t think that that Tevye didn’t beat his Golde?

Sound of Music

Even with Chava his intentions and love were undeniable, he had just been pushed beyond what he could accept at a time of great strife in his life (and understandably so considering she had just married into the same group of people oppressing her family). His final acknowledgment of "God be with you" to her was proof he still had great love for her though.

Boccs oh yeah. He will always love her. Not her decision but loves her unconditional

He talks with me I know His voice.

@@artbyrobot1 my dude, that's called schizophrenia

@@SteamPoweredSmurfette not true. Schizophrenia as a diagnosis for any voice one hears inside is completely ignorant of the entire spiritual realm. Only a total fool would indiscriminately call any voice one hears inaudibly schizophrenia and you are one such fool, completely ignorant fool.

@@artbyrobot1 takes one to know one kiddo 😂

@@SteamPoweredSmurfette nope I schooled you obviously ask anyone

Same. It's the only movie I cried at on a rewatch.

Garrettk41 “sorry bro changed my mind oops!”

No, I think Tevye had it right. I’d fear Golde much more, too.