I think Dave is right about disc brakes on cheaper bikes. I have 105 hydraulic discs on my current bike and like them a lot, but quality rim brakes are surely better than cheap mechanical disc.
@davekashuba47302 жыл бұрын
Thanks for having an impartial and rational conversation about it, especially given the amount of experience you have with all types of bikes. It seems like you're the only cycling publication capable of doing that.
@davehause85712 жыл бұрын
So true, they definitely are not regurgitating the industry's marketing copy.
@lovecycling1932 жыл бұрын
I owned two bikes one with 105 hydro and one 105 with TRP SLC spyre mechanical set up with Compressionless outers, both calipers are set up with Swiss stop green resin pads, I found the Mechanical with 160mm rotors felt and stopped as good as my hydro on 140mm rotors, ultimately the hydro on 160mm stopped me a foot or two shorter. But I choose to sell a bike and I kept the TRP SLC spyre mechanical the main reason is Shimano has a horrible big lump where the hydro hose connects to the lever, it absolutely digs into my hand and winds me up! The mechanical R7000 levers are so much comfier without that hydro hose! Also the trp slc are super easy to set up and adjust, and with Compressionless outers transmit the power really well, plus when ya wheels are off there is zero issues if your levers get pressed etc.
@renatosantos632 жыл бұрын
I have hy/rd on one bike and Yokozuna on 2 bikes and love them. So close to full hydraulic but with ease of mechanical. I can also swap out to different setups easily. I recently switched my salsa Fargo from drop bars to flat bars and kept my Yokozuna brakes without an issue.
@danloveuk2 жыл бұрын
When I moved to discs over 3 years ago there was so much chat about increased maintenance. Apart from changing the pads I have had absolutely no maintenance with the hydraulic brakes whatsoever, and they work as well now as the day I bought them. Genuinely think you make the cost back over time by not needing to replace cables.
@tebetmania2 жыл бұрын
What brake do you use ?
@danloveuk2 жыл бұрын
@@tebetmania ultegra 11 speed hydraulic - amazing
@simonm14472 жыл бұрын
@@danloveuk Shimano uses mineral oil - there's no need to replace the mineral oil very often. Some do it all 5 years or so. Because of maintenance reasons I switched to a front disc brake on my commuter, since it adjusts itself (while V brakes don't) it don't cause additional maintenance but saves maintenance instead
@PRH123 Жыл бұрын
Depends on the conditions in which you ride. If you’re riding a road bike in good weather on country roads, you don’t brake that much and they’ll be easy to maintain. If you ride in conditions including rain, snow, road slush and salt (like me :) ), discs don’t do very well, a lot of work to keep them functional, and they don’t work very well. Better than rim brakes of course, but not a panacea. If I had it to do over again with my commuter bike, I would have gone with mechanical discs, to reduce some of the maintenance demands.
@ebigarella Жыл бұрын
You're probably on Shimano. You should see life with sram....
@fisharefriends5982 жыл бұрын
I’ve had rim, manual disc and fully hydrolic discs. They are all good if you maintain them. A good rim break is as good as a mid disc break.
@PhiyackYuh2 жыл бұрын
What is good rim break? Shimano 105 or lesser? Whats a mid disc break? Ultegra?
@fisharefriends5982 жыл бұрын
@@PhiyackYuh really depends. I’ve had a good rim brake on a ridge back road bike at £600. My hydrolic breaks on my£1000+ mtb wasn’t as good.. the grade of component doesn’t always mean it’s great. I just tried tektro hydrolics. .. they aren’t much diff then my pro max mechanical, long term the more exp should be better.. but breaking distance isn’t like 100% better. For me personally, the break compound makes a huge diff. A sticky rim break which wears out in 6 months has unbelievably good stoping power. But it wears real quick. Disc brake compounds are a lot harder, even organic pads are not so sticky Best breaks I’ve ever used was on the road bike. Super sticky pads on the rim brakes. Given the speeds I’m travelling . Better then most disc brake I’ve used on road /gravel/mtb This is just personal opinion. Always best to try them out
@Gianniz27 Жыл бұрын
@@PhiyackYuh Direct mount Ultegra rimbrake (front) with alloy rims is on pair with hydro discs in the dry, even better modulation.
@mathmanchris666 Жыл бұрын
I dont like rim brakes, because they scratch up the paint work on the rims.
@slantedorbit2 жыл бұрын
Another factor is type of rim brake. In-line or V brakes have great modulation but require long-pull levers and very few dropbar brakes are long pull, none that also shift I don’t think. If the industry made them I’d build a bike around them-while I still have rim brake wheels knocking about.
@fennec132 жыл бұрын
There is another category for disc brakes: Not just 2 - - Sure there is cable disc brakes, and Hydraulic brakes - - there is a 3rd option A self enclosed Cable-actuated hydro brake. and while it is NOT as good as full hydro - is IS hugely better than plain mechanical disc brakes. and the cheap cost of cable disc brakes, and the expensive levers and brakes for full hydro, cable actuated-hydro units ARE between these two extremes and a good option from HY/RD, Juin, Zrace, and others. That aside, any debate about disc vs. rim... Sorry Rim brakes loose big time, I ride gravel and I want to be able to stop. Hate all you want there is no substitute for disc brake.
@biamarconchi2 жыл бұрын
I agree, cable actuated hydraulic disc brakes are rarely mentioned, but seem to make better sense for budget oriented upgrades from mech disc brakes.
@swe2232 жыл бұрын
There's no debate about gravel. Disc brake haters only talk about pure road and race bikes (not even road leisure bikes)
@angryasian742 жыл бұрын
This is something we discuss in the written article. Those sorts of brakes are certainly an option aftermarket, but they're almost never included OEM, which is the context of the discussion in the video.
@davehause85712 жыл бұрын
@@angryasian74 Kona Libre CR I believe has them stock.
@innocentiuslacrim22902 жыл бұрын
@@angryasian74 I was lucky to have cable actuated hydros on my gravel bike (GT Grade) directly from shop. I like them almost as much as the full hydros on my mountain bikes and a lot more than my previous bike's mechanical discs.
@peterhehn9511 Жыл бұрын
Hydraulic brakes are great for summer! Winter requires cable actuated disc brakes. In Montreal today, with the windchill, It was -36 Fahrenheit. That's not a typo! My rear TRP hydraulic line froze!
@jeffreycohen85112 жыл бұрын
would be nice to have some information on which mechanical brakes worked better, I'm sure we'd all choose hydraulic (and dura ace) but not always in the budget
@davehause85712 жыл бұрын
The article their website goes into more detail on that.
@jessejamesdaniels2 жыл бұрын
Trp Spyre or Paul’s Klampers
@thomaszabukosek9792 жыл бұрын
Read some reviews. But beware that brakes work as a unit with the lever. So you can get some that work well with Shimano levers but not with SRAM and vice versa. Trp spyres are a reasonable quality, reasonable affordable brake, but my experience is they work better with Shimano levers vs SRAM levers. Swap out the stock pads for Shimano pads when they wear out and you'll get some more power. Swap out the cable housing for compressionless if you have some extra $$$ and that will help too...
@marekkrol56522 жыл бұрын
@@jessejamesdaniels had two sets of spyre (endurance road & CX bike). I fail to see why they get such rave reviews, poor braking power, need to adjust cabling regularly & the mechanism gunks up and needs a teardown. I know several people who had similar experiences. Avid BBs would have been better.
@l.d.t.632710 ай бұрын
Try yokozuna, trp hy, klampers or growtac. The last one or yokozuna would be my choice. Klampers are very expensive over here.
@ceeesmack5 ай бұрын
I'm still skeptical. Show me the data that indicates disk makes you faster on a track or in a race, and also that hydraulic is faster than mechanical disc. I don't believe any of this is needed, and I believe it's simply a matter of what you're used to. I have strong hands, most people do, and it doesn't bother me to use my little fingers to press a little harder when what I really need to worry about is the hundreds of watts my legs are outputting, and how to make that more efficient. etc. My two cents! : )
@davidide15252 жыл бұрын
Thanks for another interesting and informative field test. CT is a must not miss on any tech related product/tool/maintenance for me. I trust Dave R. , Dave “shoddy” E. , and James H. ‘s opinions . How about a little old school stuff , for all of us that like steel n titanium rim brake road bikes. I have a fatbike w/hydro brake, gravel bike w/mech discs and a Moots ti road bike with Campy 12 speed Record and Campy Bora wto tubeless rim brake wheels. The braking is superb on the rim brakes. I live in hilly, not mountainous terrain and I never lack for stopping power or have any braking issues with rim brakes. Plus, I love the ride feel of my road bike. There are still a lot of us out here, and the industry is missing out because we are all buying n.o.s. or used components to be able to ride what we want. I know CT editors agree at least partially because I listen to the podcasts and here the occasional mention of an editors “rim brake , non-aero, non-carbon, non-internally routed favorite bike ;-) Keep up the good work and thanks, Dave
@cup_and_cone2 жыл бұрын
Dave is right about the detriment of discs on entry level bikes. Lots of comprises are made to slap the cheapest mechanical disc setup onto some of those bikes that would be better served with rim brakes.
@bricedyer2052 жыл бұрын
The biggest issues isn't always cheap mechanical brakes but often cheap housing and cables. Which is why people both love and hate c550 brakes they are great with good housing and rubbish with bad housing. That is very typical of cable brakes as a whole.
@simonm14472 жыл бұрын
On the other hand on flat bar bikes you get hydraulic brakes like the MT200 for 25 €, which are still quite good as long as you don't need 1 or 2 finger brakes. It's a perfect brake for commuting, and even good enough for XC riding. Just the need for drop bar specific levers means they can't be used on road bikes, and you don't get inexpensive hydro brakes for drop bar
@bopis1232 жыл бұрын
spyre slc plus compressionless housing for the win!
@recyclespinning98395 ай бұрын
When I got my first dual-pivot campy brakes I was amazed coming from old campy super record brakes. I guess disc brakes might be needed going down hills on tour, but I must be missing something here. 🤔
@RicardoRocha-lg1xo2 жыл бұрын
Refreshingly honest takes. Personally, I had hydraulics, mechanicals and rim brakes on my three bikes. For simplicity’s sake, I’ve removed the hydraulics from the bike thad had them. Given the shortages these past two years, replacing a steel cable is more of a sure bet over brake fluid… specially proprietary ones
@lenolenoleno2 жыл бұрын
Proprietary brake fluid isn't necessary. I assume you had a Shimano or a SRAM brake. SRAM uses DOT which is widely availiable at every auto shop. Shimano mineral oil can be substituted for any other without issue (Tektro, Magura etc).
@RicardoRocha-lg1xo2 жыл бұрын
@@lenolenoleno I was actually referring to Campgnolo. I don’t really know if other mineral oils work for Campagnolo brakes, but I’m open to being enlightened hehe
@yonglingng56402 жыл бұрын
@@RicardoRocha-lg1xo If I remember correctly, Campagnolo's disc brakes are developed by Magura, so they use Magura Royal Blood.
@lenolenoleno2 жыл бұрын
@@RicardoRocha-lg1xo You 100% can use other brands. Brands will always say their brakes are optimized for "their" mineral oil but if you look at any of their MSDS sheets the variance is pretty minor (as in, it won't break your system/seals/o-rings, and in worst case scenario you can simply re-bleed with their 'official' oil).
@vianna13312 жыл бұрын
A friend of mine played bike polo for years using baby oil for his Shimano brakes and never had any issues, and we brake constantly while playing, brakes get pretty spicy 🔥
@NewPolishScientist Жыл бұрын
Hydraulic are great as long you dont deal with leaking pistons - as it is common problem with shimano. Good mechanical such as paul klampers are fantastic
@samguan52362 жыл бұрын
I have both hydraulic and mechanical brake bikes. I adjust things to perfection and recently converted a mechanical to hydraulic. I think braking power wise, hydraulic is overhyped compared to a “decent” mechanical brake. You get about the same braking power. Most hydraulic brakes are basically just hydraulic brakes pushed by fluid instead of cables unlike cars where there are brake boosters to multiply force. In terms of lever feel, hydraulic is unmatched because you’re not battling against the cable friction and the spring tension of your calipers, I love the feel of hydraulic levers. I do notice most cheap bikes these days with mechanical disc brakes, levers are a lot harder to pull, almost like the caliper spring tension is too great maybe that’s where all of the bad reputation about mechanical disc brakes requiring a lot more force for the same braking power is coming from. A decent mechanical disc brake with properly adjustable cable should feel nice and easy to engage at the levers. Maintenance wise, honestly it’s the same, if you can replace cable and housing, you can bleed a hydraulic disc brake. Overall, my opinion(only mine) is if you go from a “decent” mechanical to hydraulic and expect a magical increase in braking power, you will be disappointed. If you don’t like springy lever feel and want a nice refined lever pull feel, you will love hydraulic. It is a nice upgrade but there is absolutely nothing wrong with mechanical brakes.
@christopherharmon93362 жыл бұрын
I have Avid BB7s on my hardtail, with a 203mm rotor on a Rock Shox Tora fork (32mm stanchions, 100mm travel). I've never felt the need to "upgrade." To be fair, I basically use the hardtail as a gravel bike, and in that role, the BB7s are almost overkill. I suspect a good mechanical brake is better than a cheap hydraulic brake, and there is some cross over point where the hydraulic brake is superior. I have not installed compressionless housing on my bike, and I wonder if that will reduce the sponginess we feel in mechanical disc brakes.
@MrArtdelgado2102 ай бұрын
I think I get a certain amount of tactile feedback with mechanical brakes opposed to hydraulic brakes. I've been in some extremely dangerous situations where it was more about the range of the pressure once engaged, than purely locking the wheels. Sometimes you want to sllow down but not lock your wheels because then you don't stop, you skid and knowing exactly how much more or less to engage the front brake, rear brake, of both simultaneously does more than keep you from a spill. It can save your life. I was so close to getting impaled from a splintered fallen tree that it ripped through my t-shirt, about about an inch from my kidney snd I saw it, hit my brakes, realized I needed more pressure to totally lock the rear wheel to initiate a skid that gave me that extra little clearance to avoid the wooden spike and it all happened in less than 1.5 seconds. It was skill, not luck but I wouldn't have been able to do it on hydraulics because you don't feel any "feedback" and that feedback can save your ass like it saved my kidney..
@timdixo2 жыл бұрын
The key benefit of discs is too often forgotten……..wider tyre clearances. Rim brakes limit to 28-30mm. I’ve used mech,mech/hydro and hydro: for bang for buck the Juno Tech R1 mech/hydros are surprisingly good. Not quite full hydros but close enough.
@davidbee95632 жыл бұрын
I have an old road frame limited to about 700x28c tires. With long reach Tektro calipers, it will clear 650x42 but the rear stays limit to 38c. The challenge is to release the brakes enough to remove or install the wheels. The advantage of discs is that they are set up at the hub so wheel size or tire width does not affect adjustment. You could switch from 700x38 road wheels to 650x55 without changing anything else.
@JanBanJoovi-ol1qv11 ай бұрын
Rim brakes can be adjusted for wider tyres. Or simply get one that accommodates wider tyres. They’re cheap and cheaper to maintain.
@timdixo11 ай бұрын
@@JanBanJoovi-ol1qv Rim brakes can't accommodate gravel tyres 35mm and up.
@Alex-ce2xc7 ай бұрын
@@timdixo I'm team disc brake but cantis can clear a huge tire. I think Rivendell sold a 27.5x2.8 rim brake bike with cantis.
@markymarknj3 ай бұрын
I wished that the panelists had covered the question of rim wear when using rim brakes. How much of an issue is that? I'm curious, as both of my vintage bikes have rim brakes. Another question I wished they'd addressed was how often do hydraulic brakes need to be bled on bicycles? On motorcycles, it's generally every 2-3 years. Is the maintenance interval the same for bicycle disc brakes? Why or why not?
@Hansmeiser20082 ай бұрын
Clean your rims regularly, use high quality brake pads (Swissstop, kool stop, shimano R55C4 or S70C) and they will last +20.000km-forever. Bleeding depends on the liquid used: Mineral oil needs a bleed just when something is wrong. DOT4 / DOT5 (Sram) needs a bleed every 1-3 years depending on how often you ride
@markymarknj2 ай бұрын
@@Hansmeiser2008 THANK YOU!
@markymarknj2 ай бұрын
@@Hansmeiser2008 my LBS put on Jagwire brake pads when he overhauled my bikes recently.
@Hansmeiser20082 ай бұрын
@@markymarknj Should be fine :)
@rothgartheviking8583 ай бұрын
Disc brakes are just not needed for road biking. If your going carbon wheels i get disc. Alloy rims and rim brakes works great and your bike is about 3 lbs lighter and its easy to fix.
@bobtahar2 жыл бұрын
Full Hydraulic Disc Brake on road bike need cheaper options like what we have in MTB.
@vr49662 жыл бұрын
Brakes my favorite topic! Hydraulic brakes for only MTB, cross, gravel. Disk for dirt rim for road!
@1971lemond Жыл бұрын
I have two disk bikes both with “mechanical disk” TRP SLC Carbons, with 140 rotors and compression less outers, “I stop just fine! , “a lot shorter than my rim brake bikes.” The fact is there’s only a 2 LBS difference more on pull on the mechanical disk brakes as vs the hydros to mimic hydro stoping power. I personally don’t feel a difference in that weight difference in pull. My wife has hydros on her bike and the only difference I can feel is a little less friction obviously because they are hydros, however my mechanical disk are really smooth and have almost a frictionless feel to them. Another good thing is that mechanical disk are far cheaper than hydros and ya don’t need fluid, or to worry about temperature changes, also ya don’t have to worry about brake fad with mechanical disk brakes. Another good thing is there easy to set up and a snap to maintain.
@Hintonbro.2 жыл бұрын
I know it wasn’t part of the test series, but if anyone has tried the Paul Klampers mech disc calipers ($$) it would have added to the discussion
@fixedfrank2 жыл бұрын
I have been using Paul Klampers for about 6 months. Super expensive/lead time are long ($450 for a set, ordered Oct. received in Dec). They are heavy. But they work very well and set up is easy. Designed to work with standard stainless steel inner cable with standard housings. Mine are set up with sintered pads. Used with Shimano 105 levers and Sram Red Etap (11sp). They're simple, over engineered. You can orderin 4 anodized colors - mine are purple. I personally love mine. That said. Some people like me love them. Other's don't.
@yonglingng56402 жыл бұрын
@@fixedfrank They only move the left brake pad upon actuation, right?
@simonm14472 жыл бұрын
@@yonglingng5640 The only cable disc brake using 2 actuators is the TRP spyre. The disadvantage of 2 mechanical actuators is the caliper would be heavier and bigger with big bearings, so they have to make the bearings smaller. Hydros usually all have at least 2 pistons, at least at bicycles
@linnmagic2 ай бұрын
Didn’t mention anything about hybrid disc brakes, informative video though
@bassw175826 күн бұрын
I have one set of mechanicals that are scary powerful, I wish I knew how to find another set, they are unbranded, but they use the same brake pads as the hydraulic shimano's, which I've never seen before. Can endo a 70 lb e-bike with no problem. Have to be careful at high speeds.
@anderstorger32112 жыл бұрын
Mechanical disc brakes needs good housing to work the best. Unfortunately the housing that comes delivered on budget bikes may not be all that good. I bought a tandem some years ago with mechanical discs, and with the long cable runs you couldn't transfer the power to the rear brake, just too much flex in the housing. I changed to yokozuna housing, and the brake was transformed. Well-maintained hydraulics is still better of course, but for me it's not a strong enough reason to upgrade.
@yonglingng56402 жыл бұрын
You also need a lot more fluid to bleed the rear brake and it can be a two-person job if you want to save some time.
@bmxriderforlife1234 Жыл бұрын
Mechanical brakes can be set up to have less hand strain it's all about spring tension. Just need calipers that reduce that. Also one finger braking can be done with rim brakes. And a gyro. On short pull systems. Sounds like you need better housing Teflon coated inner wires and a compression less housing like nokon. Finger and thumb grease. Coat the inners. Use triflow through the cables as well once the housings are one. Make sure you work it through and run it till you see triflow come out the far end. But don't completely wash out the grease. Proper lubrication reduces the amount of tension needed which reduces fatigue. My bmx brakes with dual cables completely compressionless straight pull from lever to brake arms feels like a Hydro with the lowest lever tension you've felt. Springs back quick not quite as snappy as some are used to but low tension like extremely low. My springs are tensioned with fingers. Hydros just have more clamping force which is needed for discs. And get around the disadvantages of a disc system over rim brakes.
@fredfred90005 ай бұрын
i have trp spyre with compressionless outers to here , i much prefer the simplicity of install and adjust vs hydrolic but for mtb i have to admit it is the way
@mucklark69432 жыл бұрын
And what about Giant's combi system. I have it on a 2017 Revolt that I use bikepacking. It's paired with a set of Tiagra levers. Works super. Only had to bleed it once in 5 years. Modulation and power are more than acceptable. Definitely cheaper that full hydraulic.
@paulholding86952 жыл бұрын
Have a 2018 Contend SL1 disc and it works really well & quietly (when pads are bedded it correctly), but it's quite ugly and does limit what lights you can put on your bars.
@simonm1447 Жыл бұрын
Hydraulic brakes are typically expensive on drop bar bikes (since the hydraulic levers there aren't available in lower groupsets), with flat bar bikes you get Mt 200s for 25 € and even massive 4 piston MT 420s for less than 70 € - the only available cable-hydraulic caliper is not really cheap too
@kennethcolbert29212 жыл бұрын
Hydraulic disc brakes are good but if you live in a very cold place and want to ride to work in the winter your brake fluid will freeze up if you have to live you leave your bicycle out side that is a big down side to hydraulic disc brakes for me.I may have to go back to mechanical brakes so I can ride in the winter more.I wish I had knew this before I switch over to hydraulic disc brakes.It get very cold in Maine.
@simonm1447 Жыл бұрын
You also get brakes with Dot 4/Dot 5.1, which is standard brake fluid for cars. I never heard of frozen brakes at cars
@kennethcolbert2921 Жыл бұрын
@@simonm1447 True but we use SHIMANO Hydraulic Mineral Oil for shimano brakes.And this stuff we freeze up.
@warwickmcghee2 жыл бұрын
Have two high end groupsets that are cable pull which are getting dusty on the shelf. Gonna try juin tech for the hell of it
@GeekonaBike2 жыл бұрын
You do know, All breaks just only slow you down? Where I really need help is in the Speeding Up
@Nebulosys Жыл бұрын
Excellent. Thank you.
@JanBanJoovi-ol1qv11 ай бұрын
The cheapest to maintain is rim brake / v brakes. It’s enough to stop the bike even when wet or raining. Tested it real life. To those folks saying rim bakes suck in wet condition, you’re not running incredible speeds like 60 miles per hour like a motor vehicle does, and definitely the bike isn’t as heavy as a car. How much stopping power you needs. Lots of folks saying you need a disc brake for stronger stopping power, in real life, disc brake indeed has more stopping power but you don’t really need that much stopping power in bicycles. Rim brake is enough. Again it’s not a heavy vehicle and you don’t run at very high speeds.
@sihiliusАй бұрын
Yeah I don't get it either. Most people would be fine with v's. If you ride a lot, discs start to make sense. But Hydraulic? Unless you're doing some crazy XC or Downhill, what is the need for hydraulic? You've got to go through all of that hustle like bleeding the brakes and leaks and what not, just for an absurd amount of braking power you actually use maybe once or twice ever and even that's for just trying your new brakes. And the funny thing is, if you "downgrade" from your leaky, annoying hydraulic discs to mech discs, every one is screaming at you, calling you stupid and whining about safety concerns, while the real safety concern is riding home like 50km with almost no braking power at all, cause your hydraulics started to leak in the middle of your tour .... again.
@ixxgxx9 ай бұрын
and isnt it true that if you hang a hydraulic bike vertically the liquid leaks out?
@JFomo2 жыл бұрын
Are you more likely to go over your handlebars with a mechanical disc brake?
@innocentiuslacrim22902 жыл бұрын
If you use more than 1 finger to brake, then it might be hard to adjust braking power if the bike starts dipping (my reflex is to grip harder if things get out of control... ouch).
@Andy_ATB2 жыл бұрын
I've always said hydraulic, as they just work, and have that 'bite' when you pull the lever. However, I wanted to give the mechanical discs a chance, so I bought the Crockett with mechanical discs, and they were okay, but nowhere near as good as hydraulics. In fact, my rim braked Domane, with SwissStop pads were just as good.
@Nicky458itl5 ай бұрын
is trp spyre work with fully intrgrated cable frame?
@dant.6364 Жыл бұрын
I wish they would have made a distinction between mech brakes for drop bar bikes and mech brakes for flat bar bikes. I have TRP Spyres (considered to be among the best mech brakes) on my drop bar gravel bike and they are horrible whereas I have bottom of the barrel Tektro brakes on a $900 cheap ebike and they work fine. TLDR: Mechanical brakes on drop bar bikes suck, mechanical brakes on a flat bar bike are fine.
@timtaylor95902 жыл бұрын
road race pro's fall on just about every race because of disc. off road disc is fine but on road is dangerous
@1971lemond Жыл бұрын
There’s pro cons with each system…………. It’s a matter on which system is best for you and what system you like, and cost factor.
@JS-qb4dpАй бұрын
heavy, cleaning the dirt off, not as aero, rubbing, maintenance, disc wear, changing wheels,... how about other issues
@caldwellmanners56972 жыл бұрын
Then there are cable actuated hydraulic brakes. Any thoughts on this combo variety?
@yonglingng56402 жыл бұрын
I used to think it was a cool idea until I worked on them. The bulkiness can lead to fitment issues on some frames. You also need an LBS that's capable of bleeding the brand you're riding (so far I only know Juin Tech and TRP HY/RD for the reputable brands). I'd say it's more trouble than it's worth, so either run full mechanical or hydraulic. I actually started out with mechanical disc brakes (Tektro Novela on a 14+ kg entry-level hardtail) more than 10 years ago which worked totally fine.
@innocentiuslacrim22902 жыл бұрын
Contrary to what Yong Ling here said, I have very positive experiences with them. The maintenance needs have been non-existent though during all these years.
@yonglingng56402 жыл бұрын
@@innocentiuslacrim2290 Off-topic: I don't know where you're from but thank you for getting my name right! BTW, what are your mechanical disc brakes? How much does your bike weigh?
@for-real-tho Жыл бұрын
Most popular hybrid brake is the Zoom HB-100. They work fine, but not reliable long term. Within 2000 kilometers three Zoom calipers have failed on me and started dripping the oil onto my rotors and pads, so I'm giving up on them. I'm currently trying to decide between full hydraulic and mechanical brakes.
@yonglingng5640 Жыл бұрын
@@for-real-tho If you're not planning to switch dual-control levers just yet, the TRP Spyre is a good choice. This is a mechanical model, but moves both brake pads simultaneously, doubling its stopping power compared to generic mechanical disc brakes.
@sihiliusАй бұрын
I sure don't need hydraulic for a regular bike tour in mostly flat terrain. For that they are just not worth the hustle!
@matthewvelo2 жыл бұрын
I went from Spyre "Tiagra" level mechanical discs to Ultegra rim breaks and thought the rim brakes were far superior. I've since gone to 105 hydraulic discs. I'll never, ever have a rim brake bike again. I can only imagine how good Ultegra, Dura-Ace or top-end Sram hydraulic discs must be, because 105 is bloody good.
@robbchastain30362 жыл бұрын
I can't really tell because I use brakes as little as possible. 😀
@pigeonkill2 жыл бұрын
I wonder if v-brakes wouldn't be as if not more effective (at least in the dry) than some of the mechanical discs on those bikes.
@simonm14472 жыл бұрын
V brakes can be quite powerful if the right brake shoes are used. In wet however you have almost no braking power for the first 2 wheel rotations, and freezing temperatures also reduce braking power since the rubber is getting harder if it's cold. They start to brake better if you got the rubber warm enough by braking.
@thomaszabukosek9792 жыл бұрын
Has anyone ever actually clipped a hydraulic housing? People love to use this as a benefit of mechanical brakes, but I can't recall ever seeing a cable that has failed this way, and I work as a bike mechanic! I've seen cables kinked, but they still work fine, and I've seen one hydraulic cable chewed up by a dog. But that's it...
@simonm14472 жыл бұрын
In one case on one of my bikes the nut of the brake line got loose and I lost enough oil to disable the brake, but after tightening the nut and a bleed at home the brake was like new again. Hydros are gorgeous brakes.
@sihiliusАй бұрын
@@simonm1447 Yeah, happens to mine all the time. Had them rebuild and everything. Nothing changed. No more pure hydraulic for me any more. Maybe cable actuated hydros some time in the future, but for now, classic mech disc.
@ericyoshimitsu937210 ай бұрын
Can you speak to hydro/mechanical disc brakes? or should I say, Cable actuated hydraulic brakes.
@me-in-MPLS Жыл бұрын
Love my rim brakes
@wspmjw2 жыл бұрын
One of my riding partners lost his hydraulic brakes on Mt. Evans and had to do a bleed prior to a decent. Is this a common issue with hydraulic brakes?
@dh73142 жыл бұрын
No it’s not common
@wspmjw2 жыл бұрын
@@dh7314 Thanks
@simonm14472 жыл бұрын
If you use a hydraulic brake with Dot 4 or Dot 5,1 (Sram) it can fail if it overheats (but it needs a massive heat for this). Hydros using mineral oil don't simply fail because oil isn't boiling, your pads will start to burn before the oil is failing. Beyond the Press channel tested XC brakes years ago on a big lathe, at the end the brake failed because the rotor was glowing and the hydraulic line started to melt after minutes braking on a glowing rotor
@jvogel431 Жыл бұрын
I wonder what others folks have to say about the the cable actuated hydraulic calipers. It always seemed to be a good solution with no hoses to mess with and simple set up.
@yonglingng5640 Жыл бұрын
That's what I used to think, until I work on them. 1) You now have more to take care of: Cables, cable housings and hydraulic fluid. 2) They're bulky and heavy, they may not even fit some frames. 3) Some shops may not have the fittings and fluids needed to bleed them. There's no 50:50 way of going about it really, either stick with full mechanical or hydraulic.
@mindy_cycling2 жыл бұрын
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@kharm13482 жыл бұрын
I have been a pretty early adopter of road disc brakes and find that hydro discs, despite some drawbacks, are "the solution" for me I'm almost all cases. I initially had a commuter with mechanical MB brakes (Avid levers/Shimano calipers) and I have to say I have never had a problem with them (on the road or light trail use). I have had drop bar mechanical disc setups and they sucked no matter what I tried - different calipers, optimum cabling, etc. My unscientific conclusion is there is no way to obtain the combination of mechanical advantage and long cable pull that would be necessary for the mechanical disc/DB combination to work well, or that no manufacturer has really tried hard to make it so (given the option of selling a more expensive system).
@Silverripples2 жыл бұрын
There is no price on products that keep you alive. Brakes are the only thing that are your only life insurance. I have been running disk brakes for about 22 years now.
@swe2232 жыл бұрын
The only advantage on hydraulics is the simplicity of creating the mechanical advantage (force on the lever force applied on the disc) . But the same mechanical advantage could be achieved mechanically as well. It would a very simple engineering task in fact. Why don't we see more of that in the market?
@angryasian742 жыл бұрын
In theory, you are correct that it's simple to replicate that sort of mechanical advantage. However, the difference between hydraulic and mechanical disc brakes is how well that input at the lever is translated to the caliper. In other words, how much is lost to friction and/or flex? It's something that's discussed in more detail in the written article (link in video description).
@swe2232 жыл бұрын
@@angryasian74 Ok thanks I'll check that. But my first thought would be that transmission losses due to friction are pretty minimal, if not totally negligible (with compressionless housing). You can feel it with cables installed but not connected to the brake, there is no resistance, or at least orders of magnitude less than what you pull while braking.
@sihiliusАй бұрын
Cause bike shops make way more money from bleeding and servicing hydraulic. That's the whole real selling point.
@PathLessPedaledTV2 жыл бұрын
No.
@SniperSnake50BMG6 ай бұрын
Labor....? First world users... Cable actuated is the cheapest thing ever. You're so lazy that you have to "change cables" or "change housings"... When a hydraulic gets broken is A TOTAL NIGHTMARE TO SET IT BACK AGAIN. With mechanic you lose one screw and reroute the cable and is done. You need to tell cycling community that the need to learn basic mechanic by themselves. Not to take the bike to the shop when some screw got loose...
@sihiliusАй бұрын
That's too much to ask. But hey, at least your bike mechanic earns 40$ with tightening that screw you mentioned.
@nramorrisg8415 Жыл бұрын
Please don't take this personal, you take a hose with a piston on a braided hose with no air in the lines identical to a car fluid becomes a solid substance like an imaginary bar now a solid substance identically as a cable, if there's any air in it it's going to be spongy cuz air can be compressed why all the air has to be out of the line same thing with a car the same Concepts identically cable or fluid they're identically the liquid weighs more than the cable on the short run AKA like a bike cable because it's very thin 0.1 mm I believe. Between the two mechanically or hydraulic there's no big difference you not talking about 50% it's all hype mechanical/Hydraulics work just as good AKA identically literally making me Google you need to learn more go to any Machine Shop they will walk you through the whole entire system not difficult you can teach a child not trying to stop an automobile 25 to 3,000 lb or 5,000 lb it's a bicycle. That's why semis don't use hydraulics they use air brakes now let's put that on bicycle why would they do that traveling with 80000 lb piece of equipment fully loaded curiosity Never Killed the kitties. Like I said don't take this personally no advertisement going on> on my side.
@TheSandkastenverbot Жыл бұрын
Did you use yahoo translate from the 90s to generate this text?
@LegSpinna2 жыл бұрын
Always makes me laugh when the old 'disc brakes are better in the wet' line is trotted out. That may be true, but 99% of cyclists don't go out on their bike when it's pissing down.
@christopherharmon93362 жыл бұрын
I've had people make snide comments about my restored 1998 Gary Fisher with V-brakes. I like to ride it on my local trail, because the more-modern Dart fork (compared to what it came with) and 2" smooth tires make the bashed up, poorly maintained multi-use path feel like it's brand new tarmac! There are sections of this paved trail that will nearly knock your teeth out on a road bike. I live in Colorado. It's sunny literally 300 days of the year. I replaced the V-brakes and levers for about $75. Try that with hydros.
@apocolypse116 ай бұрын
lol I can't believe hydraulic brakes are a thing on Bikes. Whats next 100hp motor bigger tires an bigger frames? fyi there called motorcycles.
@rustyburger4 ай бұрын
If you ride in a city traffic setting they will save your life, and keep you safer and faster then 99% of other riders that don't have them. - knowing you can stop in 0.35 seconds in less than a meter is a life changing circumstance. They've saved my life, and prevented others being careless, and not paying attention from being hurt by me COUNTLESS times. - never mind everyone else using them. - Try to be a little more open minded about things, and you'll learn more.
@sihiliusАй бұрын
@@rustyburger Until they suddenly decide to leak and your insane braking power that could bring a truck to a halt within 10m is gone... and so are you at the next traffic light....
@truthseeker8483 Жыл бұрын
Imagine converting your car's hydraulic brakes to cable actuation......Would it be safe???
@sihiliusАй бұрын
Car... Bike.... There is a slight difference between the two, don't you think?
@danc18292 жыл бұрын
rim brakes are awesome if set up correctly Cable discs are Rubblish Hydro in many cases is over kill on a road race bike (unless its raining) but u wouldn't be on tbe bike racing then in 99% of cases anyway. #marketing
@yonglingng56402 жыл бұрын
I started out on mechanical disc brakes (Tektro Novela + 14 kg entry-level hardtail) more than 10 years ago, never had to doubt my brakes' braking performance. Now I'm on rim brakes, all fine too. In a year or two, I'll be using hydraulic disc brakes, so we'll see how this plays out, but I think it wouldn't be a problem.
@sihiliusАй бұрын
@@yonglingng5640 So have you had any leaks yet?
@sihiliusАй бұрын
You got something mixed up here. Rim is complete trash. Cable discs are a good choice for most people. Hydros are awesome, as long as they are working that is.