Fencing CWCH 2010 Mens Epee Gold Medal Match

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Fencing Cadets World Championships 2010 Baku, Azerbaidjan
Mens Epee - Gold Medal Match
Byeungchan JUNG (KOR) vs Nikolaus BODOCZI (GER)

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@joep3279 6 жыл бұрын

They look like video game characters in a fighting game, when you put down your controller and they just stand there rocking up and down. lol

@mamertvonn 4 жыл бұрын

@Maitre Mark that's what they call footsies in a fighting game move in and out of range to bait an attack... atack whiffs(miss), then punish(counter attack)

@mamertvonn 4 жыл бұрын

@Marrowbones I'm talking about movement, not edge preparation. 2D fighting game have a very linear blocking system. Always Block low and block high by reacting to a 0.4s overhead. Parrying are clearly more complicated since their 3 types of parry But in terms of movement... watch a SFV or maybe just SF4 tournament, just one match there are different phases in a game >Neutral (when everyone is far away and out combo range) >Up close(when players are near each other... exchanging attacks and turns depending on the person who has priority in his attack) Now watch closely in the Neutral situations, it may look similar The only diference is the unrealistic power to shoot out fireballs. Commonly used for space control

@LuckyDucky1122 4 жыл бұрын

DUN DUN DUN DUN DUN DUN DUN DUN DUN DUN DUN DUN DUN DUN DUN DUN TEST YOUR MIGHT

@LuckyDucky1122 4 жыл бұрын

Marrowbones mate what?

@astralsentient8259 4 жыл бұрын

@Marrowbones Video games (particular esports) take years of practice to get good at too, like most skill based endeavors, so it's not like they are dismissing the complexities and practice that go into this sport when they indicate that it reminds them of such. There is absolutely no need to get irritable over it. Also, fencing is practiced by people of various skill levels and ages, and that's not a bad thing.

@thenobzquad 3 жыл бұрын

Anyone here during covid-19, thinking this is the perfect sport for this period of time hehe.

@javiersalas9047 3 жыл бұрын

Hard to find a club do good luck

@szalashut3310 3 жыл бұрын

Yes

@0oj248 3 жыл бұрын

good luck finding a good club anc getting the proper amount of training and experience to compete

@javiersalas9047 3 жыл бұрын

@@0oj248 I feel u right after COVID my local club went out of business and my next closest club is 2 hrs away

@0oj248 3 жыл бұрын

@@javiersalas9047 thank fully my club is still running with many precautions tho but i know the next closest to me is super far

@waalex11 11 жыл бұрын

First time watching a Fencing Match, its somewhat interesting.

@matthewosborne9775 5 жыл бұрын

The more you know about fencing the more interesting it gets. You start to be able to see how many split second decisions they make to score each point.

@RatIceCream 5 жыл бұрын

waalex11 First match I saw as well

@jonathane6859 4 жыл бұрын

I thought fencing would be like a sword fight where they clash their swords and stuff

@nullproof 4 жыл бұрын

FriskyBannana 346 there are 3 weapons. Saber is the most like what you’re talking about, but it’s much faster than Epee (this)

@CATGPlbCapacityPneumaticTireFo 3 жыл бұрын

@@jonathane6859 don't watch fencing then, you won't find that here. Fencing is a sport, not a sword fight. You'd be looking for rapier fencing, a HEMA art which emphasizes not getting hit over hitting your opponent first. They also use sport versions of swords, literally just blunted swords with the same weight and tension. You'll find more of that there, and you will especially find what you were looking for in Polish sabre, where clashing of the sabres is very common.

@CVSylver08 10 жыл бұрын

Feels like.... thumb war.

@futures.e.a.l6606 4 жыл бұрын

213 likes no reply's, 5 years ago

@Andrew-re8hz 4 жыл бұрын

Acurate asf

@Michael34582 4 жыл бұрын

@@Andrew-re8hz eat your cereal

@Andrew-re8hz 4 жыл бұрын

michael chatzoglakis eat YOUR cereal

@princeaghedo9494 4 жыл бұрын

No it doesn’t. It feels a lot harder

@normalkettle 5 жыл бұрын

"My name is Iñigo Montoya. You killed my father, prepare to die."

@matthiassanchez3211 5 жыл бұрын

Nice

@Mhdtoenailz 5 жыл бұрын

The princess bride lol

@Mhdtoenailz 5 жыл бұрын

I am wesley

@Mhdtoenailz 5 жыл бұрын

My name is inigo montoya u killed my father prepare to die

@oliverw1633 4 жыл бұрын

“my name, is puss in boots. you killed my father, prepare to die.”

@riceboy287 11 жыл бұрын

If there is one thing I learned from this, it's that maintaining the distance (Bodoczi did so by making his stance somewhat more leaned back) greatly helps win the fight by opening counters.

@otakuleveledup8458 4 жыл бұрын

The problem with leaning too much it limits your movement if you miscalculate their reach too much. We don’t do it that much as the benefits of moving slightly outweigh the negatives but it is not hard to do and almost instinctive for beginners so I can see why it was done for many centuries. Movement is key but in HEMA if you want to be historical do both but remember there is a reason why it died out so do it in conjunction with movement in comp (please note, swords were not used that much until duelling became popular in the renaissance before spears and bows were go to picks unless it’s a duel or showing wealth so we took a long time to learn to use it well for UNARMED DUELS it maybe different in different contexts)

@williamjameslehy1341 8 жыл бұрын

Okay I tried watching foil and then sabre, and this is definitely the best as a spectator sport. There's actual back and forth action in this, in foil and sabre each round was over in literally less than two seconds. The only way you could even tell who won was by their mask flashing.

@ryanforget8656 6 жыл бұрын

Jacob Hoss HEMA is WAY more interesting than normal fencing. you should watch it.

@OceanHedgehog 6 жыл бұрын

You're absolutely right. Epee basically has no rules - whoever gets the first touch gets the point, and if both hit, both get the point. As a result, epee fencers are trained to avoid getting hit, either by parries or by footwork, hence there's more back and forth. In Foil and Saber, there are rules about "right of way", so as long as it's your "turn" to attack, and your attack is successful, you don't care about being hit.

@user-tq1bf5ly4n 6 жыл бұрын

Jacob Hos

@user-tq1bf5ly4n 6 жыл бұрын

♥️ ййййфй

@katakichinen7773 5 жыл бұрын

Jacob Hoss you just gotta have really fast eyes for Sabre and foil but they are fun to watch

@jan-kp3iq 7 жыл бұрын

ahaha nothing really related to fencing but every time they attack and parry they remind me of cats trying to claw

@tessarankin6807 6 жыл бұрын

from an What a Miraculous observation

@shreerangvaidya9264 4 жыл бұрын

@Marrowbones wow, 30 years, quite cool.

@bot7070 4 жыл бұрын

Tessa Rankin pretty lucky seeing you here

@kevinmorrice 4 жыл бұрын

@Marrowbones i presume your talking olympic style fencing because this isnt even close to the fencing i did, i learned fabris and giganti

@marsbase3729 4 жыл бұрын

Cats, the four legged fencers of three animal kingdom! 😜👍

@louthegiantcookie 8 жыл бұрын

Truly a sport of gentlemen.

@propanedaddy5577 7 жыл бұрын

**tip**

@kevinzhou7442 2 жыл бұрын

Race i’m done swearing compilation.

@MultiBattleblader 5 жыл бұрын

Something about the way the German contender moved at 9:50 was really satisfying

@Kavon94 4 жыл бұрын

he is a god damn jedi

@swarmtheworld 6 жыл бұрын

9:45 - 9:55 nice dodges

@emilywood7397 2 жыл бұрын

I fenced in high school I miss it and still love it made me feel so free

@CillBinton 12 жыл бұрын

hard to fence against Bodoczi. Doesn't give his blade to prepare with. He has a good feeling of the distance. At a young age a very mature fencer. Nothing but respect. Just not the same elegance as Rudolf Haller.

@rorylondon9534 6 жыл бұрын

Well fought! Bodoczi's defense was quite good, and when he did strike, he was both quick and precise!

@henrylee0123 5 жыл бұрын

Why is no one doing the i-frame dodge roll?

@HatedJared 4 жыл бұрын

Not enough adaptability. All points went to Dex.

@nator3810 4 жыл бұрын

they only spam R1

@lanceocana9059 4 жыл бұрын

Armor set didn't have enough evade to do it safely

@phyzarel1845 4 жыл бұрын

Is that a Nidhogg reference?

@Reizoukothefridge 11 жыл бұрын

Sorry, I forgot to mention this in my first comment, but Jung is rarely in control of this bout. Bodoczi controls both the tempo and distance throughout most of it. Jung makes up for the distance at times, but tempo he only did on I think two touches. It's hard to win a match, no matter what hand you fence with, if you don't take control of it.

@Epilogueful 11 жыл бұрын

This is the first time I've seen a lefty being pwned like this lol...In my class lefties never ever lose.

@rashto3940 3 жыл бұрын

me and the bois when we find sword-like sticks

@jasonwang7028 9 жыл бұрын

darn french grippers

@rb-5582 4 жыл бұрын

French grip in my opinion in epee isn’t good

@matteovignolo7055 4 жыл бұрын

@Henlo I'm 170cm and used both pistol and french grip. In my experience there isn't a better of the two. Just the one that suits better your fighting style. When I was with the pistol it was more of a traditional type of fencing (mostly counter-parrying and calculated attacks). The French grip for short people is in my opinion for more advanced fencers. The french grip will give you a bit more reach but not nearly enough when fighting against taller guys. When using the french grip my master taught me a very unconditional type of fighting. At the end of the day however, the better fencer is the one that can prepare his/her attacks better aka winning the mind game. Little tip for counterparrying here I don't see it being used nearly as often as it should be, make sure your opponent attacks you exactly when you want him to attack. This can be achieved by suddenly changing your tempo and leaping forward just enough to make the opponent think he can touch you but far enough so that you have the time to parry the attack.

@tomconboy3237 3 жыл бұрын

Possibly my favourite sport

@himwiththesquaretoes9461 8 жыл бұрын

DAMN GERMANS WITH DAT FRENCH GRIP

@WobbleKun 11 жыл бұрын

that guy is huge compared to the korean. his elbow strike would be like that korean guy's jab. lol

@sparrowhawk81 10 жыл бұрын

Does the German guy use a french grip?! AWESOME

@jamesonjokers2542 10 жыл бұрын

French or Italian should be the only allowed grips. Pistol grip takes too much from classic beauty/form.

@sparrowhawk81 10 жыл бұрын

Jameson Jokers Too late for that to take effect, man. I'd say it'd be fun to start up some more classical epee fencing leagues and only allow non-pistol grips / allow circling / require blades to be a certain thickness.

@jamesonjokers2542 10 жыл бұрын

Sparrowhawk Yeah guess so, it's still good to see french used at the top levels, there was a someone on the USA women's bronze team who used it too, and dominated 4-2.

@rosariotucci7988 10 жыл бұрын

@Mauriziobarenboim 7 жыл бұрын

Italian is extremely dangerous to use. There have been instances where people have almost hand their fingers broken.

@abrannan 12 жыл бұрын

@kertaspaper94 In a nutshell: FOil and Sabre have limited target area (body, head), and you have to deal with an incoming strike before returning your own strike (Called Right of Way). Foil is point only strikes, and sabre allows edge strikes (slashing). Epee dispenses with all of this and is first person to touch the other with the point of their weapon wins the point.

@remitavernier227 4 жыл бұрын

That's mostly correct but if both fencers hit in a short time frame, they both get a hit

@londiniumarmoury7037 5 жыл бұрын

5:11 That was nice.

@emilehobo Жыл бұрын

Clear evidence that it's more fun watching fencers fence like these gentlemen that actually fight than others that play a mere game of tag.

@beezava8320 6 жыл бұрын

Interesting.There is a similarity in boxing as well, just waiting most of the time to counter attack.

@plehh9853 3 жыл бұрын

My 3 favourite sports after watching; basketball fencing and soccer

@daniirani3606 10 жыл бұрын

very gooooooooooooooooooooood

@DefaultMC_ 5 жыл бұрын

A competition to see who can poke each other with a stick better

@DoomEB 4 жыл бұрын

It's much more complicated then that

@DoomEB 4 жыл бұрын

@Shin obi no it isn't fence myself and its much more complicated then poking eachother with a stick...

@DoomEB 4 жыл бұрын

@Shin obi no I do foil to it's much nicer then epee

@DoomEB 4 жыл бұрын

@Shin obi i'm fencing now for 3 years already ... Nd you?

@rb-5582 4 жыл бұрын

It’s about the mind

@blizamiller8271 6 жыл бұрын

wohoo just keep it up you two🤗🤗🤗

@bhushanpatil8179 8 жыл бұрын

Good video 👌👌👌

@datboi_gee 4 жыл бұрын

I've been looking over fencing matches and a bit of strategy over the last couple of days in an attempt to glean some useful information I can transplant to a different game and fortunately I believe it's working. Understanding tempo and feints, you can tell what a player is likely to do based on the speed at which they're acting and the type of actions taken. For example, the Japanese fencer was moving at a high tempo in the beginning of the match and was beating the blade. You could tell immediately that his intention was to draw out nervousness in his opponent, and place him in a defensive mindset. You could also tell the German player was maintaining composure and waiting for opportunities to strike himself. This culminated in a kind of waiting game where both players are anticipating the next strike, and you can feel the tension rising to its climax while the players exhaust themselves of all patience. So they dance and dance until the time to strike "is about as good as any." Then they strike. It doesn't ALWAYS play out this same way but when these conditions are met you can see it coming from a mile away. And as far as this match goes, it happened more often than not. Granted I'm not a fencer. Before yesterday I hadn't known anything about fencing at all. And so what I'm getting at may or may not be obvious to those familiar with the sport itself. But that isn't of interest to me as I'm just observing from a perspective of human nature. Trying to see what can be anticipated in a game I know nothing about to figure out new ways of anticipating in a game I know much more about.

@rb-5582 4 жыл бұрын

Very good observation

@benbosco7904 2 жыл бұрын

Not bad, except the "coming from miles away" bit. Epee is extremely reactionary, and because if how open ended is, it's really, really hard to see even one move ahead, especially a the highest level.

@Muslimma12 3 жыл бұрын

I love fencing match

@Creixhitme 12 жыл бұрын

@justwanz if you still havent found it, just look up Buzzi vs Kuchalski

@Silver-nm2if 4 жыл бұрын

I really wish therw was a fenccing group, club or whatever in my city. Id really want to learn this sport. Seems fun. Idk if im old, once this sport becomes available in my city, ill be the first to sign up

@murderfaceofhorror 12 жыл бұрын

@justwanz u can go to a time machine and go to that date to find it

@GPEtana 7 жыл бұрын

3:03 that dodge tho

@Weezy-sf9vl 3 жыл бұрын

I’ve always wanted to try fencing so I’m watching matches so I can understand it lol

@lampshade1304 6 жыл бұрын

The editing makes this feel almost cinematic

@ediblecactus5703 5 жыл бұрын

Pixar, is that you?

@erroriscool7935 8 жыл бұрын

my boi Jung failed me

@bellemoore2171 3 жыл бұрын

I love telling my friends inigo montoya is my fencing hero, they smile and nod pretending they know exactly who he is

@user-sd5nl8fm6k 4 жыл бұрын

I want to be fencer , I can do it 💪🏻🇩🇪🇦🇿❤️ (from Azerbaijan)

@Creixhitme 13 жыл бұрын

Bodoczi's feint using the distance is amazing.

@svjHCR2 Жыл бұрын

Extraordinary bout!

@iceman1731 10 жыл бұрын

This sure goes a lot slower than Sabre.

@sparrowhawk81 10 жыл бұрын

The touches take longer, but it doesn't feel slow when you're doing it.

@flameace50 9 жыл бұрын

sabre seems boring to do all you do is run in get first stab and you win

@sparrowhawk81 9 жыл бұрын

flameace50 It is far from boring if you are participating. It's actually pretty nerve-wracking. I go to a club that teaches all 3 weapons and sport saber is my least favorite. It feels like whippy sword-tag. The types of touches you are allowed to get with a sport saber wouldn't do jack with a real blade, plus a real blade would be significantly heavier and impossible to move like sport sabers do.

@zellarsDD777 8 жыл бұрын

+iceman1731 The blades are 50% heavier than sabre.

@ziadkhayat7299 8 жыл бұрын

saber is supposed to be cavalry, epee, dueling, and foil is just practice.

@mat-co7xo 4 жыл бұрын

C génial 👍🏻

@Fearoq 12 жыл бұрын

watching this hoping i get better while my foot injured

@lawrenceshelven6199 6 жыл бұрын

This reminds me of every bout I've had with a tall person (I'm a 5' 4" epee)

@kentgardner8836 5 жыл бұрын

Both blades are the same length the closest target is your opponent's wrist, so height, is really no advantage.

@logosao88 5 жыл бұрын

@@kentgardner8836 In theory yes, but the wrist/forearm is a small target (and moving). Jung would love to have picked away at Bodoczi's wrist/forearm. But how often did Bodoczi adjust distance suddenly as Jung was closing in order to make his epee point travel up the arm (to the shoulder) of Jung? It's easier for a taller fencer to angulate over a smaller fencers arm. I wish it wasn't but it is. I'm almost 5'10"; and I struggle mightily with taller epeeists who fence similarly to Bodoczi (even though they are much less skilled overall).

@matteovignolo7055 5 жыл бұрын

Logos AO stay very far away (a reach that he thinks he can hit you, but he barely can’t) and induce him to attack you from that distance, whenever YOU want to be attacked. It must be your choice when he decides to attack (you can do this for example by changing your rhythm. Start very slow and suddenly make a quick movement while still maintaining that distance I said before). Be ready to parry (if you are good enough, do it without going back) 2nd strategy: since these guys don’t give you the blade, show them that you are still trying to hit their blade for a couple of times (obviously you won’t hit the blade but that doesn’t matter). Repeat this so that you induce him to think that you want to hit his blade before attacking and then all of a sudden hit him in the knee. (Because his sword is close to the knee he won’t notice the change and will still think you are trying to hit his blade 3rd: I assume you are shorter than your opponent. Lure him into attacking you and then crouch down while keeping your sword straight (no need to move backward or forward while you crouch, just make sure you do this really really fast. 9/10 he will attack you to the body and this way, he will not find a target to hit. (When you crouch, you need to get really really small to minimise the chances of him hitting you) I hope this techniques will help you a bit. I have more of you are interest but then you’ll need to give me more details about your strengths

@logosao88 5 жыл бұрын

@@matteovignolo7055 Thank you for the tips. I have class on Tuesdays and Thursdays for several hours. I'll try out your suggestions and get back to you with the results.

@familypeople5288 3 жыл бұрын

I feel bad for you😂

@malikw9170 4 жыл бұрын

I like the way Bodoczi held his sword lower than his opponent.

@AssassinsCreed515 12 жыл бұрын

3:35 looks likes somebody's about to cut footloose! lol

@briarrr__ 4 жыл бұрын

I know this is a very old video but the German boi looked very confident and I think that's what got him there. The other one didn't seem as confident, but either way they're both great fencers.

@marcusminister5428 5 жыл бұрын

Very good

@AnaxofRhodes 7 жыл бұрын

That reach though. Bodoczi's a blasted long-range Panzer.

@jeykk 5 жыл бұрын

Anax of Rhodes french gripper

@ashapandey8059 4 жыл бұрын

What a nice match 😮😮😮😮

@alivingtree 5 жыл бұрын

FRE- FRE- FRE- FRENCH GRIIIIIIIIIIIP!!!

@galactickitty_yt8206 2 жыл бұрын

i watched this bc i was interested in what a professional fencing match looked like after i watched markiplier learn how to fence XD Earned a sub though GO GERMANY

@benpickens9918 4 жыл бұрын

2:26 That was a beautiful exchange.

@abinash46 3 жыл бұрын

supper

@walterrose8217 5 жыл бұрын

i like fencing

@JW93581 10 жыл бұрын

Man its so colourful that I thought it was a game in the thumbnail

@dominickdambrosio783 3 жыл бұрын

10 years ago

@hochspannunglebensgefahr5339 4 жыл бұрын

Épée fencing is pretty cool to watch. It must hurt getting touched with one of those, they’re really stiff

@saetmusic 3 жыл бұрын

You have quite a bit of protective stuff on under the fencing jacket, and the better fencers seldom hit hard. That said, it's not impossible to come away from an epee bout with a little bruise .

@ryanclark2437 3 жыл бұрын

How do u know who scored first

@Wolfylink 11 жыл бұрын

Ahh their epees look so light compared to mine haha

@marcusedwards2913 3 жыл бұрын

That Geico Commercial got me here... lol 😆

@hdjhdsh 7 жыл бұрын

what was wrong about the second point of korea?

@azureholy9787 3 жыл бұрын

I play fence and I really like the German competitor's style

@HelloWorld_707 3 жыл бұрын

i thought it would be more EPIC but anime cease to fail me :c

@bobsmith5089 11 жыл бұрын

CWCH 2011 final.???

@salor99999 12 жыл бұрын

I don't why im ending up watching this...

@kertaspaper94 12 жыл бұрын

Excuse me, I don't know anything about this sport. My first question is: What's the difference between Foil, Sabre and Epee' ? Thank you for answering.

@rb-5582 4 жыл бұрын

Different targets and style Sabre and foil has right of way and blades are different Realizing this comment is 8 years old

@leonadams1942 3 жыл бұрын

So where did fencing originate exactly?

@FabrisFanatic 12 жыл бұрын

Both fencers are going to fence more cautiously. In foil, if you have right-of-way then you will continue your attack even if it results in a double hit.

@aithjawcraig9876 3 жыл бұрын

I don't know if this is illegal but wouldn't you be telegraphing less by putting your sword behind you briefly and then striking? Maybe after a dodge?

@ultimatewarriors1291 3 жыл бұрын

yes

@timelordsuderley660 4 жыл бұрын

9:14 scoreboard: nice.

@jessecollins3652 4 жыл бұрын

The guy from Germany was definitely taller but it seemed like his epeé was also longer.

@coolmanjack1995 12 жыл бұрын

ok thanks, makes sense now

@metalben005 4 жыл бұрын

*COME ON, COME ON, COME ON*

@PinguKrueger 12 жыл бұрын

The german is really fucking tall.

@ryanmartin5598 4 жыл бұрын

What rule was broken at 4:03?

@sarahblack6118 5 жыл бұрын

"Swing first!"

@TonyaLumpkin 6 жыл бұрын

ok it’s cool what they are doing

@ediblecactus5703 5 жыл бұрын

Don't get tuched kids.

@ausguitarist 7 жыл бұрын

this is for gold why are people talking throughout???

@JyujinPlus 4 жыл бұрын

Wayyy more entertaining than Foil Fencing. You can see how the blades clash off one another and it actually matters when they connect! But still not quite as interesting as most HEMA Matches. Their stances are still too open, and their bouncing is very indicative of techniques made in an environment where getting hit doesn’t matter. Granted, getting hit doesn’t matter in HEMA Either, but the techniques taught were used in real duels, where being hit with a sword meant *being hit by a freakin sword*

@OrCkHaNtheGrEaT 11 жыл бұрын

Great move! 3:35

@metalfunnies1727 8 жыл бұрын

Watch 3:35 at .25 speed. Its awesome!

@himwiththesquaretoes9461 8 жыл бұрын

How do u do da speed stuvves

@ryanmartin5598 4 жыл бұрын

@@himwiththesquaretoes9461 the three little dots at the top right of the screen are the Settings. There are playback options in there

@KhuranDixal 12 жыл бұрын

because since getting hit is so much easier, fencers take it with way more caution.

@charliedegen7894 8 жыл бұрын

why do epee fencers always bounce up and down. I don't get it

@josephpark3203 8 жыл бұрын

It keeps them in balance and also makes them move faster

@Galimah 8 жыл бұрын

+Joseph Park same principle as muhammad ali

@ziadkhayat7299 8 жыл бұрын

And tennis, and a ton of other sports. It facilitates, and helps cloak spontaneous fast foot movements(retreat, lunge, flèche, etc...) it also helps as the distance is constantly changing, it makes it harder to attack, on top of making it easier to make very fast direction changes.

@bondiboi668 8 жыл бұрын

R.I.P...

@habakuc 8 жыл бұрын

U take the "pace" or "rythm" of your opponent... so you can time your attacks better...