Porsche Cayman GT4 RS v McLaren 650S Spider: Shoot-out! | Fifth Gear

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Күн бұрын

One track, two cars and a stopwatch. It’s a Fifth Gear Shoot-Out, and this time it’s England versus Germany as we find out which of these racing snakes is fastest over the line.
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@fifthgearuk
@fifthgearuk Жыл бұрын
Make sure you watch until the end for an amazing result!
@thembanimdlalose5229
@thembanimdlalose5229 Жыл бұрын
Actually an astonishing result
@_Chev_Chelios
@_Chev_Chelios Жыл бұрын
So, different cars AND different tires. So we’ve learned precisely NOTHING except different tires are different.
@Kelveron
@Kelveron Жыл бұрын
@@_Chev_Chelios We, or at least I, learned a lot more than that. For example, how far cars have come on such a few short years that a car can go round a circuit faster than a much more powerful slightly older one, because of chassis, steering and transmission improvements.
@RedBatRacing
@RedBatRacing Жыл бұрын
​@@_Chev_Chelios wish they had put semi-slicks on the 650s. Given the McLaren is a superb comfortable GT car as well as a track weapon, the RS is just a one trick pony by comparison. Not that it's not a bad trick.
@RedBatRacing
@RedBatRacing Жыл бұрын
​@@Kelveron the tires made a bigger difference than all that. The McLaren was on street tires that did well in the wet and the RS was on semi-slicks that are going to add a couple more seconds or more.
@IRoss106
@IRoss106 Жыл бұрын
Not taking anything away from the Porsche but all I’ve got to say is semi slicks and the right weather clearly make a huge difference. It’d be nice to see them both on comparable tyres at least but preferably the same. An interesting comparison none the less!
@Trendyflute
@Trendyflute Жыл бұрын
Admittedly as much as the Cayman lost the first race due to its tires, it probably won the second due to its tires, but what a glorious machine regardless of the laptime!
@alanthecat59
@alanthecat59 Жыл бұрын
exactly
@jamesmay1322
@jamesmay1322 Жыл бұрын
Actually the McLaren almost certainly had better tyres on for the dry conditions. Don't be fooled by the sun. The video was shot late winter/early spring in the UK. The temp was probably no more than 5-7 degrees C. WAY below what Cup2's need to perform at their best. If the McLaren had pretty much any UHP road tyre on it, it would have had better (though still far from ideal) tyres on for those temperatures.
@alanthecat59
@alanthecat59 Жыл бұрын
@@jamesmay1322 no , no sale soz . good try Michael Fish
@14KShadow
@14KShadow Жыл бұрын
Interested to see what the 650s would be like on the same tyres as the Porsche
@lewiskariukimunene
@lewiskariukimunene Жыл бұрын
Interested to see what the Porsche would do with 150 more HP
@sebdavid
@sebdavid Жыл бұрын
@@lewiskariukimunene Tires can easily be changed (and often are if you're driving these cars properly). It's a bit more difficult to get 150 more HP in a Cayman...
@lewiskariukimunene
@lewiskariukimunene Жыл бұрын
@@sebdavid yeah this is true though I meant if Porsche made it with 650HP
@clu4u
@clu4u Жыл бұрын
I don’t think the McLaren is running on 10 year old tires, do you? Plus the Porsche is running Sport Cup tires, not good for the rain.
@lioneldherine6230
@lioneldherine6230 Жыл бұрын
​@@lewiskariukimunene Michelin claims their Cup R tyres are equivalent to a 150 HP increase on a 520 HP car. So the Cup 2 compared to the standard PZero of the 650S are definitely matching the power gap between both cars. But it's still not fair to compare 2014 and 2021 models...
@Kelveron
@Kelveron Жыл бұрын
The helmet Jason is wearing is epic! They should use it in F1.
@boy638
@boy638 Жыл бұрын
Most negative comments here did not watch till the end. Kudos to the Fifth Gear team for organizing a later test with better weather.
@Make-Asylums-Great-Again
@Make-Asylums-Great-Again Жыл бұрын
I only watch the end.
@comaca
@comaca Жыл бұрын
I missed 5th Gear so much and so happy to see you back. What a great video, I love to see you having so much fun. Here in Canada, late May for a track adventure with my brother and our sons! Keep us the great work. Not very often does the passion filter beyond the screen!
@accrho
@accrho Жыл бұрын
True story, I had a dream last night that Porsche announced the GT4 RS in manual. I guess I'll go back to sleep. Great video again!
@mikadavies660
@mikadavies660 Жыл бұрын
So it was slower, but who would not want the chance to own a McLaren. What stunning looking car!
@Metal05
@Metal05 Жыл бұрын
I wouldn’t, Mclaren does nothing for me. Sorry.
@DEFECTEDSTREETRACER
@DEFECTEDSTREETRACER Жыл бұрын
I would mclaren nz actually let me sit in a 12c a wee while back so its a thumbs up for me and in the hypothetical situation i win lotto its on the shopping list shall we say
@kingjon2274
@kingjon2274 Жыл бұрын
I would take the GT4 any day. It is perfection.
@DonLee1980
@DonLee1980 Жыл бұрын
If you want to be stuck on the side of the motorway with your hazard lights on, yeah get the Mclaren.
@mikadavies660
@mikadavies660 Жыл бұрын
@@DonLee1980 Part of the "ownership experience"... Sounds like fun...
@TheRoggan123
@TheRoggan123 Жыл бұрын
Great video, but you should have mentioned the Porsches tire advantage in the dry like the Macs in the wet. On the same rubber the McLaren will certainly be the faster car based on this test. Two absolutely epic cars though!!
@bryantharris5914
@bryantharris5914 Жыл бұрын
My thought exactly
@ISR-DE-RU
@ISR-DE-RU Жыл бұрын
Die sollt man gar nicht vergleichen... McLaren Preis:255.000€ Porsche GT4 RS 142.000 (ohne Club Sport). Turbo gegen Sauger. Da hätte Porsche GT2 RS besser gepasst (Neupreis 267.000€) aber da würde McLaren alt aussehen.
@MrJohnnyRoyale
@MrJohnnyRoyale Жыл бұрын
I agree that they shouldn’t be compared. Autotrader has the GT4 RS for selling for £230K, but you can pick a 650s up for under £100K!
@bryantharris5914
@bryantharris5914 Жыл бұрын
@@MrJohnnyRoyale Now just estimate monthly repairs.
@MrJohnnyRoyale
@MrJohnnyRoyale Жыл бұрын
Isn’t there a Mclaren warranty for about £4K a year? It just winds me up that prices quoted in the press are never the actual prices you can get the cars for. If only anyone could buy an GT4 RS for £108K.
@888mf4
@888mf4 Жыл бұрын
What a great video. If only I could drive like Jason Plato! Amazing to see him drive both cars flat out on the track!! I have owned a 650S and it is an incredible piece of kit. Not many cars today can match it for straight line performance. If only McLaren's were easier to sell on the used car market. I drove the GT4 RS in the Italian mountains late last year and it is sublime. Possibly the perfect sports car!
@marklewis2736
@marklewis2736 Жыл бұрын
Any new Scud videos o9n the horizon?
@jge5443
@jge5443 Жыл бұрын
Would love both of these fantastic cars. Problem with the GT4 RS is that at current used prices it's about £140K more than the 650S!
@danmayberry1185
@danmayberry1185 Жыл бұрын
High end flippers are glorified ticket scalpers.
@ISR-DE-RU
@ISR-DE-RU Жыл бұрын
Это и есть особенность Порше... новую не купить а подержанные дороже новых!😢
@commantrosexetlos4700
@commantrosexetlos4700 Жыл бұрын
Cayman it's a joke.. Who will buy that toy cayman if he can buy amg gt? Seriusly
@GODWITHUS0712
@GODWITHUS0712 Жыл бұрын
​@@commantrosexetlos4700 lol don't insult a Porsche to a Mercedes
@The5laYYer
@The5laYYer Жыл бұрын
Thanks Jason - so impressed with your wet driving in the 650s ... I have one (Coupe - it's lighter) and personally I find it truly terrifying in the wet ... especially at Coombe! 🙂
@Skirk84
@Skirk84 Жыл бұрын
Try some Michelin Pilot Sport GT P2L's in the wet, I think you will struggle to lose traction. I have about 850hp at the wheels and they grip for me full throttle from the Apex.
@flavioc5389
@flavioc5389 Жыл бұрын
The best 5th Gear episode of all times was the Mclaren 12C vs Ferrari 458 with Tiff Needel and Jason Plato.
@JETZcorp
@JETZcorp Жыл бұрын
"The steering wheel was molded to Lewis Hamilton's hands." "I think this is Jenson's bottom as well..."
@ChrisKeirRacing
@ChrisKeirRacing Жыл бұрын
I had the privilege of being there that day in the wet and got a ride in the gt4rs, shame it had cup2s on however what a car, the sound alone was incredible for a modern car!.
@christianwagner2849
@christianwagner2849 Жыл бұрын
The scream of the GT4s engine above 7,5k is just glorious
@ultimatist
@ultimatist Жыл бұрын
Glad you reran with better weather, but the cars still didn't have matching tires. If you did, I'd bet it would be a dead heat with the 650S on Cup 2s. Regardless, shows how sorted the RS chassis is to overcome such a power deficit.
@seinsmeld13
@seinsmeld13 Жыл бұрын
Great review Jason. I'd like to see a comparison between a Porsche 718 Spyder and a 911 convertible. Cheers from a Canadian fan.
@JamesMonty
@JamesMonty Жыл бұрын
What a superb video, loved every moment 💥
@superspeeder
@superspeeder Жыл бұрын
Obviously you need a third race with the 650s on Cup2Rs, then you can see an actual fair fight.
@jimg2812
@jimg2812 Жыл бұрын
The 4RS was not on R tires, just the regular Cup2, what did the 650 have?
@superspeeder
@superspeeder Жыл бұрын
@@jimg2812 my bad, 650S on Cup2 then. No idea what the 650S was wearing, they didn’t say, but they certainly are not an aggressive tire like the Cup2 given its performance in the rain.
@f1andrew52
@f1andrew52 Жыл бұрын
The 650s had Michelin PS4S both days.
@jimg2812
@jimg2812 Жыл бұрын
@@f1andrew52 would have been a different outcome with same tires. Gee surprisingly the decade old 650s performs extremely well even at today's standards
@f1andrew52
@f1andrew52 Жыл бұрын
I’ll happily lend them the car again if they buy some Cup2s for it 😊
@abdielalmanza914
@abdielalmanza914 Жыл бұрын
Your passion it's contagious, I just love and respect your neutrality. Love both machine but I keep the Porsche Cayman RS.
@samdurling6053
@samdurling6053 Жыл бұрын
Great test in the sense that one is an older supercar with far more power and the other is more modern, more track focused, but less power. Interesting comparison and I'm here for it
@renatomarques264
@renatomarques264 Жыл бұрын
What a legend driving with semi slicks in the rain 🌧. Incredible!
@stephenswift9868
@stephenswift9868 Жыл бұрын
I enjoyed that a lot! Almost as much as Jason!
@christianb.4385
@christianb.4385 Жыл бұрын
Lovely video keep 'em coming !
@mrcartease
@mrcartease Жыл бұрын
That RS sound 🤯
@TheMan-xp4cb
@TheMan-xp4cb Жыл бұрын
Jason just came straight from a shooting party 😂😂😂
@jcsdmusic
@jcsdmusic Жыл бұрын
I appreciate you going back during drier conditions. 👌🏾
@KarelBeelaertsvanBlokland
@KarelBeelaertsvanBlokland Жыл бұрын
A Cayman GT4 4.0RS is naturally aspirated, with the 4.0 TFSI turbo engine it will outgun everything!
@user-qn6yt3zx3w
@user-qn6yt3zx3w Жыл бұрын
What a wonderful test, of two different sets of tyres.
@RevMonkey
@RevMonkey Жыл бұрын
That GT4 RS will never go below £200K.
@cp4512
@cp4512 Жыл бұрын
Would like to know what time the McLaren would do in the dry with the same semi-slick tyres as the Porsche?
@craiggiordano2892
@craiggiordano2892 Жыл бұрын
Put cup 2s on the McLaren and get a lap time in the dry.
@CoreRye
@CoreRye Жыл бұрын
Good luck finding a GT4 at list price
@celticbedou
@celticbedou Жыл бұрын
GT4RS... naturally aspirated... long may they remain. Possible legend the 4RS.
@terrybilly9967
@terrybilly9967 Жыл бұрын
I will take The Porsche!
@thembanimdlalose5229
@thembanimdlalose5229 Жыл бұрын
That McLaren is beast though
@terrybilly9967
@terrybilly9967 9 ай бұрын
@@thembanimdlalose5229But a Porsche is a Porsche. More Special for me. Sound and Quality. But Both Are good Cars
@RickTheSpud
@RickTheSpud Жыл бұрын
Loved this. Although I'm not sure where you can find a GT4RS for £108k? They're over double that, second hand!
@th3b0untyhunter
@th3b0untyhunter Жыл бұрын
and base price of £123k new (before options) not £108k
@piotrzareba7113
@piotrzareba7113 Жыл бұрын
Great video! Thanks!
@peterhammer6915
@peterhammer6915 Жыл бұрын
this is crazy. I had a F80 Comp and in rain I lost only 2 sec per round to 720s. In rain around 2 min lap. Tyres make such a big difference. With Cup2:s you can't do much in rain.
@VTrack650
@VTrack650 10 ай бұрын
Adore my 650s great video !
@Tristanbirdyt
@Tristanbirdyt Жыл бұрын
100% I would have the GT4RS the sound incredible the one i would have. Thank you Jason
@rosschalmers7099
@rosschalmers7099 Жыл бұрын
GT4RS is just perfection.
@augustortiz
@augustortiz Жыл бұрын
I love both, but I’d take the RS any day. If it was a 675LT then that would be a very hard choice.
@BuzzaB77
@BuzzaB77 Жыл бұрын
I understand content deadlines, but please educate this philistine on the simple question of "why couldn't you just change the tyres?"
@MartynWitton
@MartynWitton Жыл бұрын
Great video. 👍. Would love to see a shootout between the Audi 2018 TTRS (mine is available if needed) and the new RS3 8y.
@Tiger-pu4oz
@Tiger-pu4oz Жыл бұрын
While I love both the cars. Why not make it day 3. And fit both with exact same tire 🛞 in dry conditions. I am willing to bet McLaren wins the lap times. But for me the sound alone on GT4 RS does it. My choice even if it’s slower.
@computerhelpcc
@computerhelpcc Жыл бұрын
Very exciting to watch.
@Mr-bey
@Mr-bey Жыл бұрын
What a challenge 👍🏼
@ISpinUWin
@ISpinUWin Жыл бұрын
Using your price quotes the 650 is a steal. I am furious (jealous) at Porsche. I have been trying for almost 2yrs to get a gt4rs. Why can’t I? Because the dealerhips won’t let me since I am not a previous Porsche owner from them. I did find some that will let me get on their 2024 allocation list if I pay $75k USD above sticker. I am so pissed I hate them (because I would love to buy it but it is already a premium priced car before all the mark ups and games).
@earthstick
@earthstick Жыл бұрын
But what tyres did the McLaren have on the dry lap? Same tyres that were made for the wet? If it's fair to have the correct tyres for the conditions then the McLaren should have had dry weather tyres.
@Shadowboost
@Shadowboost Жыл бұрын
Just shows you tires are more of a performance maker than anything else.
@_VelociDad
@_VelociDad Жыл бұрын
At 11:15… AND THE CROWD GOES WILD!!! The 650S is insane & already done with it’s massive depreciation, so I would get that - but props to the GT4 RS for the win! Great comparo!
@jevgenijtihij9020
@jevgenijtihij9020 Жыл бұрын
Yes is the new shootout coming soon
@birtalanlorant5572
@birtalanlorant5572 Жыл бұрын
Would gladly pick that NA Cayman over the McLaren. Plus I like build qualities that at least match a Golf’s, which isnt really the case in a McLaren.
@P1Fanatic
@P1Fanatic Жыл бұрын
Cmon Jason. £108k for a GT4RS 😂 that might be list but there are just 3 on auto trader all at £235k+
@Crackingproductions
@Crackingproductions Жыл бұрын
Something has gone wrong on your progressive/interlaced settings guys. Very zig zag and aliased on many shots. Loved the piece though on a tough wet shoot!
@giovannidadocta
@giovannidadocta 2 ай бұрын
If the McLaren had cup 2s on the dry track it would of put those seven seconds it had in the wet track on the Porsche
@aln74
@aln74 Жыл бұрын
What if the Mc 650 had cup2 tyres 🤔
@The5laYYer
@The5laYYer Жыл бұрын
The difference is NOT subtle - Pilot Sport 4s road tyres on mine are good, but go off quickly on a circuit - I run a Trofeo R for circuit work and it's the difference of SECONDS with no extra effort!
@edrperformance
@edrperformance Жыл бұрын
I’ll take my 650s all day. Plus the prices quoted are hilarious you can’t get a Gt4rs for list or even close! Plus mclaren depends where ya live in USA a good well optioned one with low miles is >$150k but still less than GT4RS. Plus drop the top on the 650s & it’s an entirely different experience.. both great but I’d still choose my 650s
@Tefloncoated
@Tefloncoated Жыл бұрын
Plato looking and starting to even sound like Brian Johnstone! Bit faster version of obvs
@dash3dot
@dash3dot Жыл бұрын
My thoughts exactly!
@lionsgarage
@lionsgarage Жыл бұрын
that was amazing
@RustyCyler
@RustyCyler Жыл бұрын
Porsche. There is no substitute.
@kenkanyi4195
@kenkanyi4195 Жыл бұрын
Some points felt like Damian Lewis speaking in Billions character.
@SuperWayneyb
@SuperWayneyb Жыл бұрын
when a professional racing driver is having this much fun in these cars it just shows that they are not even remotely made for us mortals 🤘😎🤘😂😂😂😂
@duffyt26
@duffyt26 Жыл бұрын
The ol' geezer has some quick hands, even to this day! Well don Plato :)
@billshoe22191
@billshoe22191 Жыл бұрын
Crazy impressive how great the 650 spyder is
@JETZcorp
@JETZcorp Жыл бұрын
What tires did the McLaren have? If it did so well in the wet, I can only imagine they were less hardcore than Cup 2's for dry duty. I really struggle to imagine that the GT4 RS can be as fast on equivalent rubber, even though I worship that Porsche.
@f1andrew52
@f1andrew52 Жыл бұрын
It was running Michelin PS4S on both days.
@JETZcorp
@JETZcorp Жыл бұрын
@@f1andrew52 I think that's it, right there. The 4S is a great tire, but it's no Cup 2.
@jamesrennie1227
@jamesrennie1227 Жыл бұрын
Get the Mclaren on the Pilot Cups and I think it would win
@hayden401
@hayden401 Жыл бұрын
It may be addressed as I'm only at the start of the video, however why are these being compared, I'd have thought they're in different price category?
@TheWasp550
@TheWasp550 Жыл бұрын
P O R S C H E 💥 Period 😎
@Matthew-ll9ke
@Matthew-ll9ke Жыл бұрын
Considering the 650 is less than half the money of the 4rs in the current market, what a bargain.
@z06van21
@z06van21 Жыл бұрын
One has double wishbone suspension and a carbon tub, the other has a 4-wheel STRUT suspension and not carbon tubbed
@giacomo21eb
@giacomo21eb Жыл бұрын
Mclaren ❤
@Skippernick1957
@Skippernick1957 Жыл бұрын
Porche everytime for build quality and reliability!
@PFBzzz
@PFBzzz Жыл бұрын
What tires were on the 650S?
@f1andrew52
@f1andrew52 Жыл бұрын
Michelin PS4S
@PFBzzz
@PFBzzz Жыл бұрын
@@f1andrew52 which explains why they were better in the wet and worse in the dry...
@sufyanshareef6302
@sufyanshareef6302 Жыл бұрын
Porsche ❤️
@lixiang7349
@lixiang7349 Жыл бұрын
All car reviews from Britain are by law done in the rain.
@th3b0untyhunter
@th3b0untyhunter Жыл бұрын
A 675LT vs GT4 RS would be fairer challenge. Especially as both are similar price on the s/h market
@gibby7616
@gibby7616 Жыл бұрын
It would be quite fun to see/watch a #Koenigsegg versus a #GordonMurray #T50 #Shootout!!
@S2kBPRIME
@S2kBPRIME 3 ай бұрын
@8:12 pure skill
@topend2282
@topend2282 Жыл бұрын
The gt4rs is anywhere from $263k-$300k usd… Mac ftw 😂
@mrmawson2438
@mrmawson2438 Жыл бұрын
Nice one Porsche
@Kenny-tc6rg
@Kenny-tc6rg Жыл бұрын
I always say, tyre's are everything, if the 650 had the same tyre's as the gt4 it would be worth a second. The gt4 thought, it's is a mini hypercar.
@GauravMishra9200
@GauravMishra9200 Жыл бұрын
If possible please do a Chiron Vs Regera comparison.
@Bufgus
@Bufgus Жыл бұрын
No comparative test on any cars can be done if all cars don't have the same tyres. They do that nany times in bike tests. Give them only that on an equal base. I want the GT4RS..
@boyraceruk
@boyraceruk Жыл бұрын
Lotus are bringing out the 133 soon to take on the Porsche Taycan, I wonder how their previous fastest 4-door would do against one though? Lotus Carlton v Porsche Taycan.
@resnonverba137
@resnonverba137 Жыл бұрын
As is almost always the case with these flawed yet entertaining Fifth Gear tests, there remains an issue. For the comparisons the be fair, ALWAYS fit the same tyres to both vehicles. Surely that would have been cheaper than spending a second day filming.
@yeeehaar
@yeeehaar Жыл бұрын
Exactly. Cup2s on the 650S would easily shave a couple of seconds off its time.
@mathewsinger4214
@mathewsinger4214 Жыл бұрын
@@yeeehaar The 720s coupe ran .7secs faster there, such a short track is not going to easily gain 2 secs.
@ZoltanF1LH
@ZoltanF1LH Жыл бұрын
My thoughts exactly
@thechilicrusaders1356
@thechilicrusaders1356 Жыл бұрын
@@mathewsinger4214 obviously the driver, I get 1.11’s in my Caterham and that’s not at full tilt. A 7.20 would piss that with sticky Pirelli’s.
@dainese01
@dainese01 Жыл бұрын
Whilst I agree with you, shouldn't these cars also be tested as presented/bought/stock too? I don't think most testers/magazines/channels swap out tyres in order to reduce variables (beyond weather, location etc)
@NPrez-cv4jn
@NPrez-cv4jn Жыл бұрын
This guy is awesome.
@hugohugo2832
@hugohugo2832 Жыл бұрын
Where can you get that Porsche for that price?
@mrmawson2438
@mrmawson2438 Жыл бұрын
I'm ready
@safmaze9307
@safmaze9307 Жыл бұрын
When did Jason turn 60
@P1Fanatic
@P1Fanatic Жыл бұрын
I will admit I never knew RS = Rennsport 😬
@lblesbowden6748
@lblesbowden6748 Жыл бұрын
You Sir are an absolutely wonderful driver. Yes, I am a devoted Porsche lover, but there is something about the McLaren pedigree that makes it a very special car as well.
@garymurraya
@garymurraya Жыл бұрын
good luck getting a GT4 RS for 108k, try 200k.... why reviewers ignore the UK price is for very few "special" customers and is not for the general public.... so price wise the RS is way more expensive, but it is "new" although interior is also years old now... try about 7 - 8 years out of date with the 911 interior
@siraff4461
@siraff4461 Жыл бұрын
I wouldn't say new tech helped at all. The Porsche is just set up more on the edge. 0.7s on a 2 mile track would easily be made up by putting the same rubber on the McLaren but the McLaren is also going to be able to get much closer to that when its not on a smooth, dry track. Its also going to ride a lot better and be daily usable while the Cayman is rattling your teeth out for that few tenths on a perfect lap. The Cayman is the better hop lap chassis set up but if thats your thing why would you get one over something like a Radical? Great to see two real cars again though. The look-at-me electric nonsense was getting old.
@GODWITHUS0712
@GODWITHUS0712 Жыл бұрын
Porsche there are no substitutes!
@emerckx53
@emerckx53 Жыл бұрын
One car you can drive to the track lap all day and drive home. Fill up the tank and do it again the next. I'll let you guess which car can do this without an issue.
@jamesross2373
@jamesross2373 Жыл бұрын
Can't stand it when reviews aren't fair because of tyres. I see them as a consumable/personal preference/situational item. Really need to get the same tyres fitted to both cars to even bother doing any kind of comparison.
@billyskoda6839
@billyskoda6839 Жыл бұрын
The key is when Jason says with the 650s , it is hard to find fault. And there lies the rub. I love performance cars, but McLarens lack character and charisma. The key to this and every Porsche is that they have caveats. THAT is the key. Perfection has to be imperfect. I'd have the Porsche every single time, because of how involving it is, how it makes you feel part of the experience, rather than sitting in something with the name you'd expect on a vacuum cleaner, with the same level of character. Just my opinion.
@scudric4414
@scudric4414 9 ай бұрын
La McLaren sans hésitation.❤
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