The problem was when Tyler started blaming and attacking capitalism

A series I watched a lot growing up was criminal minds. One of my favorite series of all time is Hannibal. Could you do an episode on psychiatry and criminal psychology in media?

Is 13:17 a reference to the sponsor? Blink and you'll miss it, but Jonathan is making quite the face 😏 There could be more but that's the one I caught Edit: I'm gonna rewatch this whole thing now and find all the quick glimpses of these guys making ridiculous faces, I just found another at about 18:02 of Alan. Idk how many there are but it's fun to hunt for them

17:40 Was Alan okay with this joke from the editor?

Does anyone else see darth vader's face turning into one of their faces for a split second.

that's Galadriel

What would you consider the exact opposite of a pixie? I'm really interested in this concept now!

@@alicecarroll2923 Giantess? Depressive Giantess Nightmarewoman....herself, not yours(if it's all opposing)?

@@alicecarroll2923 a dwarf, probably. The opposition isn't about height in this case, but the overall vibe from the character

@@SarifaXionic Make that "depressed goth dream girl [DGDG]".

Yeah! Bummed they didn’t really bring this up. I felt similarly in the Matrix video. The creators behind it were putting in a lot of queer narrative allegories that a lot of more main stream viewers didn’t pick up on. So many (straight) people idolize both movies and I feel like I’m always in the corner going “you don’t see the metaphor here?”

@@tiffany02020 Same! I also wish they had talked about the trans metaphor in the Matrix, I thought it was a weird oversight for such a prominent theme. It's because they're Mormons, I'd guess, which is a shame because they are both quite self aware and awake, which usually people enmeshed in cults are not. Mormons, like most Christisn cultists, have a LOT of sexual hang-ups, and Alan at least seems to have some sexual hang-ups/uneasiness. (Jonathan is a lot more open and at ease displaying compassion and love for his male friend, so he's being an amazing role model, for us and Alan too.) They do seem like they're leaving/deconstructing though. Now that I know that at least Alan is a Mormon, it also recontextualizes their dissection of Twilight, which was written by a Mormon woman and which contains a lot of Mormon repression/misconceptions/unhealthy views of sex and relationships. I thought that was a an oversight in those CT episodes, how they didn't connect the unhealthy, gross relationship in the film with the unhealthy, gross sexual and relationship viewpoints held by and endorsed by the LDS leadership. Also explains the Lisa's Popcorn ads always recommending a different website. Must be an MLM, Mormons are huge into that. But I'm getting awful personal so I'll stop now.

this must be one of the greatest comments I ever read. In the book, the narrator's description of Tyler is homoerotic and Chuck Palahniuk, the author states in an interview his intention of portraying their first meeting as such.

Which is very odd, because in other cultures homosexuality was considered VERY manly. Just ask the Greeks and Romans

@@kingsadvisor18 Not really, it just illustrates how "masculinity" is a social construct, not an inherent truth. Fashion is another great example: high heels and makeup were once worn by men, as manly accessories. Skirts too.

why can't people just let men like what they like. If someone likes the Joker then cool, he's a fictional character, what about it

@@painunending4610 no one said you can't like what you like, the comment was about the danger of making these types of characters your role models, and/or taking the wrong lessons from the stories they appear in. Joker isn't the hero, he's never supposed to be a role model. He's a great (interesting to watch) character, sure, but that's not the same thing.

I feel like it was mainly incels/people who felt rejected by society that idolized the joker. Some of them were toxic but sometimes it felt like people held up these characters because that what they wanted to be. They wanted to be in control and they wanted people to realize not to mess with them. It's kinda sad when you think about it in that way. People don't want the insanity of the joker, they want the emotional security and confidence in yourself that individuality provides. The joker as a character always knows who he is and what he wants, and he doesn't care about what other people say in response to his goals. I guess it is logical why some people on the Internet started to respect him in that aspect. Those are traits they want.

@@machinaowl910 I'm only going to ask you one time. Don't use "that" word. the context in which you used "that" word was derogatory and demeaning.

@@Asgardian30 Oh give me a break

What a dick. You deserve better. Everyone deserves better. I'm proud of you for getting out of that situation.

I'm sorry you had to go through that. I hope that you're doing better.

In both testis or one?

God! So he was compensating his literal emasculation with treating his girlfriend like it’s the 50s . Very sad. I’m sorry you went trough that, you deserved better.

Glad you cut him off. He needs to work on himself, far away from you, and anyone else he could hurt.

What makes it even more terrifying is that Narrator never even realized he was Tyler while he was out doing all these awful things. He was so psychotic and deluded he thought he was following a crazy guy and trying to make him better maybe.

"Do what you want with no consideration of others" is also the mindset of several toxic philosophies like Objectivism.

Way too many people missed the message of this movie and saw it too young. I missed the message and watched it too young, but I'd already been in fights and saw Tyler as a bad influence. I didn't see the value to the ultimate conclusion of the movie though and just thought it was a message to not give into your primal instincts. That's only a part of it I feel, and I love watching people react and break it down again and again because I always find something new to love!

He's basically sociopathic.

@@isapheonix no, he suffers from severe dissociation.

If you're not trying to be better today than yesterday, and better tomorrow than today... well, you have a problem.

@Fenrir Jono was a good kid in college. Imperfect, but good. And as a father, I would be glad to see my sons be better at 15 and 20 and 25 than I was.

@Fenrir Yes, because that's what people who have lived it do. They try to pass their wisdom on. The same way an older kid tries to help a younger sibling learn how to read. You getting mad about it sounds like you're aware of your own toxic behaviors, but don't want to change them for whatever reason. Or maybe you're clinging to toxic expectations that are eating at you. Nobody here is saying you have to change. Nobody here is reaching through the monitor and wagging a finger at you. You're hearing the message and seeing it as a mirror. Only you know why that's scary for you. People our age, me, Jono, Alan, can look back and see the shameful things we regret doing as 20-somethings, and, yeah, if we can prevent other people from hurting themselves in the same way, we're going to say something. Whether you absorb it and reflect on it is on you.

@Fenrir A bad guy can be forgiven by god if he chooses the path of redemption and puts aside his cruelty. So why should a couple of good men be sent to hell for making the wrong decisions once or twice? It doesn't make sense. By making a simple mistake in the past, are you no longer qualified to become a good person? You are in the wrong here, no one is perfect so don't judge others so easily.

@Fenrir not everyone can get things right the first time, that is why mistakes exist. By making mistakes we learn and become better, and that is when second chances are born. And another thing, you are also wrong about everyone not getting a second chance, everyone does get a second chance, it's just up to them weather they live up to taking it. No one is perfect, if you truly expect everyone to be so, then I feel bad for them.

The part where Goofy says how his son loves him and how Pete fires back with "Well my son respects me!" really stands out to me. Goofy just wants the best for his son but he doesn't know quite what that is since he already believes he's doing the right thing by being super loving. Meanwhile, Pete thinks he's doing great by having his son know who the authority figure is in the house. It keeps the kid out of trouble, but it also leaves him with a lot of fear.

@@ExplosionMare For sure. Goofy seems to be trying to do right by his son, where as Pete seems to be trying to do right by himself. Speaks to how different focuses create such different decisions

Absolutely. Brilliant movie I've watched with my sons.

"I was only trying to take my boy fishing!" "I'm NOT your little boy anymore dad. I've grown up! I have my own life now." "I KNOW that! I I just wanted to be part of it."

Looks like you got your wish

I think about it every time i see it and it makes the scene better XD

Viggo broke his toe

@@alex0589 The funnest category of movie trivia.

So like the drop in Die Hard?

@@alex0589 He also got Veritgo during the filming of Helms Deep i believe. After they cut, Everyone was walking down the stairs when all of a sudden he looked down and got insanely dizzy. Imagine weird ass looking orcs stopping midstride to go get a Hot Pocket from the lunch area to help Aragorn down the stairs HAHAHAHAHA I think he's doing okay now tho.

@@osmosisjones4912 I see you here trying to start stuff.. because half of it is bizarrely incorrect, or just nonsense like this. Stop. Just stop. We don't accept people trying to start shit for shits and giggles sake.

@@osmosisjones4912 *quietly* don't

They probably have Scarface posters too

@@osmosisjones4912 really? So, talking "too much", concern over your own looks, being open about feelings... things considered feminine in society, are never looked down on? Grow up. We don't say you thro like a man as an insult. We don't use beinganly as a way to say weak. Acknowledging the pitfalls of societal gender expectations isn't being unfair. You are just so used to hearing about how femininity is evil (shit, that's the basis of much of the bible)Bible, that it isn't even seen by you. Only this newer observation of how harmful those expectations are to men. And you still feel attacked. Grow. Up.

@@heartdragon2386 ok now wait. Hold on just one second. This guy is starting shit for shits sake. I mean they are talking about how men without balls are by definition not men in one other comment, which is a whole other form of attacks against men. Although as I'm typing this, it does stick out that the ultimate insult against a man is that he acts like a woman. Which.. wow.

As someone whose dad is a 3rd degree black belt and almost became an instructor in a mixed Karate/Judo studio. Yeah, trained martial artist are some of the least violent people in the world. I'm 29 now and I've only seen my dad use his training 3 times in my entire life. 2 we're purely self defense, some came swinging and he reflexively put them on their butts. The 3rd time was too protect me, I was going to watch a movie by myself for the first time (Rugrats Go Wild, dad and brother were going to watch Hulk), he saw a creepy half drunk man follow me in alone and sit directly behind me in the nearly empty theater. I didn't fully understand what was happening but dad checked up on me, asked if I was all set super casually and then dragged this man I didn't even know was there out. I just watched the movie and then had permission from the workers to go into Hulk to find my family because their movie was taking longer. I didn't find out until I was an adult that after dad dragged him out, the guy started swinging and dad layed him out, cops were called. Dad had actually asked the workers after everything was settled to let me into Hulk if my movie finished first. There were enough cameras and witnesses that dad didn't get in trouble.

@@kaylawoodbury2308 oh my. The things parents need to be aware of and watch out for, geez. Glad you had a savvy and competent parent/(s?) growing up. Eye opening story. I think everyone should learn judo. Well, at least the people who want to do good AND be prepared for the evil that is part of this world and put it in it's place (versus the judo for everyone including the baddies - but maybe the mastery and discipline would help get some of the bad out of the bad folk. Dunno.)

Holy generalizations Batman! This is not true at all lol. Maybe for some but I’ve known guys that trained in mma who were violent, bigoted people. Maybe the key word is mastered but even than I doubt that just cause someone trains in martial arts that will make them a better person

​@@baptizednblood6813 BJJ and mma attract ppl who want to fight thanks to the UFC. but traditional martial arts stress discipline and tactics. in one of bruce Lee's movies, he talks about the Art of Not Fighting. In one of his interviews, he talked about having lots of challenger and said at point, no one was a serious threat in a fight, so it's sad/pointless to fight the challengers. BUT he also famously said, if he were stuck up with a gun that he'd hand over his wallet, because martial arts can't stop bullets. Only scared or insecure people fight, whereas the master no longer needs to.

@@baptizednblood6813 >anecdotes >thinking generalizations are bad lol go back to school kid, the guy is right about martial artists regardless of your tiny experiences

It’s one of the worst aspects of addressing men’s health, speaking as a senior psychology student. Right next to people not facilitating a culture where men can actually be vulnerable and not attacked for it in the future.

Thank you for this comment. I was kind of miffed at the guest's reading of that line, his response had this kind of "You have have talk to men in JUST the right way or they won't listen" vibe to it, and I reacted strongly in a negative way to that. Your comment helps me see more of the nuance and complexity. Thank you!

To be honest, I don't know how that phrase could ever help a woman either. Like, what does it even mean?!

I think this is a representation of much wider phenomena - mindless applications of working solutions to women's problems to men's problems

​@@qj0n I don't know what you mean by your comment (probably because my English isn't that good) could you explain it?

What a smart acting coach! I know a woman who was encouraged to engage with an extremely personal and traumatic event in order to get the tears on stage. She had a letter from her fiance who had passed away, and the director told her to read every night before coming on stage for the scene. First off, that is sick to ask someone to do that. Second, it wrecked her emotional connect to this letter. More acting coaches need to be like yours and encourage boundaries.

@@cbpd89 yeah! This is exactly why she wanted us to avoid this too much mental trauma I guess the technique that she taught us was the original acting technique but then it got warped to what a lot of directors use to this day. I hope she was ok afterwards.

Wow, you're like an opposite of me because I'm a woman and totally was a sport kid (fine, a bit of a nerd as well) and I've always needed physical outlets for my anger and was drawn to aggression, though I eventually managed to channel most of it in a healthy way: my passion for martial arts. But no one seemed to understand, probably because I was the only person, especially female, in my family with such tendencies. Why would nobody believe you though? Sounds believable enough to me.

Whenever i’m stressed i listen to slayer music.

Never watched the movie, what line are you talking about? I am really curious

@@SieMiezekatze I’ve never seen it either r but the line is “first rule of fight club is, you don’t talk about fight club”.

Dare I ask what line?

@@Levi_Zachariasclearly it's ''I Am Jack's Medulla Oblongata I Am Jill's Nipple I Am Jack's Colon''

"Welcome to Fight Club. The first rule of Fight Club is: you do not talk about Fight Club. The second rule of Fight Club is: you DO NOT talk about Fight Club! Third rule of Fight Club: if someone yells “stop!”, goes limp, or taps out, the fight is over."

Sorry but non of the problems decpted in the movie are captlisim fault all that is being decpted is normal consequences of the free market in general

Honestly came here to say this, but you put it perfectly. I was a preteen girl when this came out. Toxic masculinity wasn't something I had ever heard, but danged if this movie wasn't a glaring representation. Even so...being a girl, I definitely got more of the "capitalism sucks" takeaway. To not let yourself be defined by what you do for a living, or the clothes you wear. That society was a dumpster fire of ridiculous rules and expectations.

I support the sneaky AtLA request :P

Iroh is one of my favourite atla characters too.

I absolutely love that episode of GF. After he does this single manly thing, he has a single chest hair - a great symbolism for beginning the journey into real manhood.

I'd say that's not entirely accurate. I think of what someone said about mental illness in general. "People tend to treat mental illness like one person is struggling, and one person alone. But that's not true, it's really hard to be the support." They are struggling, but let's not ignore the effects on others, whether they hurt them directly like abuse, or having their loved ones watch as they lose themselves to this toxic mindset. They are all effected by it, because no one lives in a vacuum.

@@SarahAbramova exactly. Well put!

Eh, being a perpetrator is a choice. Being a victim isn't. Toxically masculine men do both to themselves. But the reality of the world is that they are definitely not the primary victims of it.

This... this is one of the most beautifully perfect things I've ever read. So simple yet it explains so much.

@@gayhomosexuallll Some men perhaps but I would say the majority of men who suffer from toxic masculinity are driven to that by society. They think it's how they're "supposed" to be. When their family and peers all have put that pressure on them and they're being told "Boys don't cry" "Boys should be tough" "Men matter more than women" and even being punished for "showing weakness" eventually that warps even a good person. Though at the end of the day while I don't think it is exactly a mental condition like depression or anxiety so there is ultimately choice behind it, I think it's really a combination of societal factors that pressure men until the point they start developing mental health issues and they're actively taught NOT to seek help for it. They are not a victim of their OWN toxic masculinity per-say but they are victims of the toxicity of the people around them. It's just this endless spiral that is extraordinarily hard for guys to get out of.

the movie also has a very fascist "tone", which is somewhat appealing to young males

My tiny brain hurts from reading that but I think I agree

🐺ofWallStreet has similar fanboy pedestals

@@ArukiTsukaru I'mma translate some of the big words in the comment. I wanna see if it works: Internalized the message: Understood and made it their own real life goals. Disconnected with the messaging: Because the movie is pictures and the book is words, the movie doesn't tell you straight up what is wrong. Hegemonic: What the one in charge is saying, which then becomes what everyone is saying.

This is a danger, and in a lot of cases inevitable, when writing a villain as the protagonist. There is going to be a section of the audience that cannot reconcile the dissonance, and will see the protagonist as a hero and role model no matter how reprehensible their actions are. Breaking Bad is another example of this difficulty.

In the book they first meet on a beach where tyler is putting logs in the sand so when the sun is at this precise point it looks like he is sitting in gods hand, like perfection, it will only last a second

I remember one aside of the Narrator discussing how his apartment was basically like an ikea catalog seeking that sort of perfection.

Hope you get through it, must be really difficult ❤️

The fault isn't in Masculinity. You got the wrong lesson in a movie, became nihilistic and suddenly it's Masculinity's fault? Perhaps you did not, and still don't, understand what is a Man.

Thank you for sharing. I know I’m just a stranger on the internet but I’m proud of you for battling both toxicity & depression. Hang in there, sir!!!

Food luck on your path

Its not difficult if you look in the right place. Jesus Christ is the modler of deciples like himself. He is real, fogiver of sins and makes people with his spiritual fruits and is the only way in heaven.

Yeah, (obviously I cried) but the messages are a bit more complex than most Pixar film are. It’s the first time it’s specifically for teens so the message is more metaphorical and (like Inside and feelings ) there’s more than 1 message at the same time. Plus…it’s the first big film that talks about the, well, female narrative so we know what females experience. Always was interested in seeing a film from that POV in that topic. Pixar is the best

Yes. I'm hoping to get Johnathan's perspective on the transition from childhood to becoming a teenager (expanding your social circle from your family and developing new interests) and Alan's perspective on the writing and animation of the movie (especially considering all the Twitter hate that the movie gets). I've only seen Mei and Abby reviewed by Georgia Dow (great KZfaqr, I recommend checking her out for therapist reactions) as individual characters, so I would like to see the movie reviewed from therapist's perspective as a whole.

another certified banger from the new age of ''the real villain was generational trauma all along''

I'd agree. Do Turning Red! It's incredibly wholesome, deals with all sorts of growing pains, and as someone of 32 years of age I found myself looking back at my relationship with my dad and blinking because of how much I saw there.

THIS!

OMG yes!!

I 3rd this!!!

I love those movies! I relate with Pho a lot! They really help me with my past and I finally moved on!

Yes! I love the messages in all 3 films, Po's growth into maturity, and the Taoism aspect of them (as an ex-Christian whose beliefs now line up with Taoism)

Yesssssss

We're very rebellious. We might talk about Bruno, too.

@@CinemaTherapyShow I see what you did there 👀

@@CinemaTherapyShow you've already talked about Bruno... Well, the movie at least

As a man most times I'm emotional vulnerable, even in progressive spaces, I'm basically told to shut up, ignored, waved away, or told it's all my fault People often talk about men's mental health, how they should open up more but I don't think they know the realities of it, it's just something nice they say to feel better about themselves. They don't want to actually deal with the ugliness of it

Unfortunately, that IS a problem I have noticed with some progressive circles. Given the visibility of historical oppression of women, such as voting/property rights and the like, it is all too easy to assume that rigid gender roles only hurt women, and only benefit men. I think progressivism as a whole is getting better in the sense that as a movement it grows closer everyday to fully casting off this reductionist cloak. It starts with individuals uniting together for collective action. If you hide your desire to open up, then you understand the struggle, which gives you perspective, and that perspective can be used to help other people in your situation. It is hard at first, but if enough people come to understand, it will be a journey worth embarking on.

@@cobblegen1204 Ironically being treated unempathetically it's taught me how important having empathy and has improved my sense of it. It mad me realise how important it it

@@painunending4610 I'm glad you were able to learn something good from the trials you have faced.

@@painunending4610 I feel like the spaces you were in were toxic in general to mental health. I checked out mental health servers on discord and they seemed super understanding. They didn't patronize you regardless of what gender you were or how old you were. I also feel like you're describing a struggle with improving one's mental health in general. Often times it IS an uncomfortable thing, but I don't view it as ugly. I don't view opening up as an ugly and cruel thing. People are cruel, though. People talk about mental health like only one person is affected by it, when the people around you can also be affected by it. It can be emotionally draining to deal with someone else's mental health problems tbh. A lot of therapists actually have this problem because of the amount of stuff they've seen/ heard. But if it is someone that you truly care about, that drain might be worth it. It would be better than doing nothing.

I was and am utterly repelled by Breaking Bad. It's probably because my family is riddled by addicts. I have seen the long term horror created by drugs. I do blame those who make and sell them. They sell poison. One if my litmus tests for people now is to discuss Walter White.

Yeeeeees I was rooting for his wife the entire show. I’m baffled by the people who think she should had just let him do whatever he wanted to. Would they be okay with their partners acting like that?

My time in the military was the one time my basic personality, assertive and direct, was an asset for me. In the civilian world it has hampered my progress and I have been told to tone it down, when my male peers are praised for the same behavior. I found my time in the military to be freeing and my time outside it to be a huge drag and emotionally draining and abusive.

I'm sorry that happened to you. I hope you can find peace. ❤

I have never been in the military, but I am a woman who grew up learning martial arts (karate and tae kwon do, hope to do more). I also went to a tech school (majority male) and became a Silicon Valley engineer, so I've gone through a different 'woman navigating a man's world' sort of thing. I liked the premise of this film because I totally get how psychologically liberating fighting can be, though I have never believed that physically fighting was fundamentally male. Yes, women's and men's bodies are built different and so you need some different strategies to be effective maybe, but I fought men and women alike. Most martial arts schools do that even if you don't in competition. And that's why I didn't particularly care for this film when I sat down and saw it years ago. It understands than an emotional release can come with fighting, but it doesn't portray that it can be done differently, without the toxic masculinity. Frankly, it is generally not recommended in actual combat since it is often the smarter fighter that keeps their head that will defeat the other, but if you let yourself, you can feel a lot better. Like an extreme form of hitting a pillow. There is something about exerting yourself physically that allows pain to be released emotionally with it. I have collapsed into my fighting partner's arms in tears when I've been successful. It was really good for me. So I guess it's obvious that when I did it, we had different rules, totally not the rules of Fight Club. They weren't exactly spelled out, but talking about what you were doing was required. I would seek a sparring partner that I was close to and tell them straight that I needed someone to help me release some feelings I was bottling up. Preferably I would seek out a partner more skilled than me... My emotions could make me more unpredictable and wild in a fight, and I remember nailing one person hard in the head with a backhand when I felt caged (and then felt bad for that, didn't mean to hit above the neck that time). Like I said before, I didn't like this film. Like mentioned by the CT guys, there's a dark, grungy feel to it that I feel sucks the soul out of my chest. But I understand guilty pleasures. Mine is the Kill Bill movies, but I stopped watching those too because although I feel a sort of corrupted uplift watching them, I recognize that it's not who I want to be, and so I don't let myself anymore. Just writing this, I feel like watching them again, but... I... won't........ I don't think I'm alone feeling that fighting helps you open up. I remember watching commercials for Tekken or Mortal Kombat video games with an elderly couple going at it... "That's for not doing the dishes!" "That's for leaving the toilet seat up!" XD It might look violent to people who haven't tried it, but if done with precautions and lots of communication, it's actually a great way to help release bottled up tension that sometimes you don't even know is there and keep you a centered person. If you've been in the military and have sparring partners you trust emotionally (or maybe start at a new martial arts school and meet some new peeps), I'd suggest it, letting them know well in advance what you're asking them to help you with. Even if you don't tell them the exact details, warning them is fair. It's important that they know to push you but to pull back and be cautious if they see you starting to feel things. I don't suggest both sparring partners letting lose emotionally when fighting physically, because you need one supporting the other. I personally released some anger and fear which came out as tears and pain. I did feel better. It's like therapy without words. But probably therapy with words would've been good too, so don't let me discourage that. :D Don't despise your own strength. Being tough can be feminine too. I appreciated Louisa in Encanto for that example.

@@xenonfeathers7773 Read through your whole chonker of a comment. Kind of fascinating seeing a woman that sees violence this way. I encourage other men to treat it much the same. As a way of channeling and expressing emotions (often negative ones) in a controlled environment. It's actually pretty wholesome when done right. Violence is part of who we are. In a way Fight Club shows what happens when you raise men to be utterly non violent.

@@spartan1879 This is why I'm kind of enamored by non-toxic masculinity, especially athletes and bodybuilders and people who enjoy larping and doing goofy shit. There's a lot of capacity in humans to expend intense amounts of physical energy in a sort of savage chaotic way that is at the same time totally happy and healthy. The energy of jumping in a pile of leaves, or a kid asking to be tossed overhand into a bed. The desire to be a physical object. Although as an amateur psychologist I have to warn that expressing ANGER and similar emotions like frustration and grief through physical means is a BAD idea. The more you do it, less in control of yourself you will be. Healthy violence is lighthearted.

That’s so good! 🎉

I said Wtf was that! I had to rewind and slow mo to make sure I wasn’t going crazy

The problem was when Tyler started blaming and attacking capitalism. Like a college educated loser . He Turned Men's Rights in to Antifa

@@Smartass012 okay redpill Cosby

@redPill Cosby Who let you out of your MGTOW cage?

@@kaylawoodbury2308 mgtow is freedom. Commie's of course call freedom slavery

Absolutely! Especially because the person saying that line is a (mostly?) functioning alcoholic, whose addiction is known by most of his colleagues/industry peers. Maybe if he/they could allow more crying he wouldn't have turned to alcohol to cope

Yeah! And at 6:17 is one. I saw like 3 or 4 flashes in this episode and a couple in the second! Very cool!

Exactly! Physical touch is actually important to our mental well being, and not just romantic touching. As a woman, my friends and I will watch movies while we lean against eachother, or lay with our heads in eachothers laps, and it's entirely platonic. Men are taught that that's not okay to do with other men, and it leaves them insecure. I have a sore neck, I can ask a friend to give me a neck/shoulder run and it's not awkward. Men will get weird about asking other men to do it. They're basically trained that all touch has to be either sexual or violent.

@@coffeeaddict9605 Isn't it tragic! I'm familiar with all the downsides of being a woman (sexual harassment, assault, sexism, disrespect) but I feel awful that men can't share that closeness with their friends. Imagine not being able to fully express yourself with your best friend, can't snuggle up and perhaps, cry (out of fear of being seen as 'feminine' - god forbid! lol)! All those repressed feelings - how depressing! I, too, give massages to my female friends (snap! lol) and (sometimes, if they're chill and ok with it, to male family/friends - so long as they know its plutonic). Touch doesn't have to be sexual, or threatening, it can be healing. I just feel sad that men are missing out on so much validation (either talking or physical), and its not surprising they vent through anger or sex. But these open, insightful, and at times, vulnerable men we see before us are great inspirers. More understanding and empathy, all round, thanks!

@@coffeeaddict9605 Guy here. "They're basically trained that all touch has to be either sexual or violent." That line kinda angers me because its completely wrong and downright harmful to men. We men can show intimacy and closeness to each other. We can hug each other and be touchy with each other. Its just not your version. (Some stereotypes will show up.. i know) You women give each other a deep hug.. rub each other's shoulders and backs while saying 'oh honey.. i know right... let it all out'. We men just give each other a though hug and a harsh pat on the back while saying 'don't worry bud... its ok.' I will not give a female friend a pat on the back the same way i do to a male friend, because it will hurt her. She is not used to this type of affection.. but it is affection none the less. If your girlfriend feels down, you sit next to her, give her a deep hug and ask her what's wrong. You don't do that to your male friends because we generally speaking don't like that type of stuff from other men. From women? sure.. just not from men, because we have other ways of showing we care. You have a crying session with ice-cream. We have cracking open a cold one with the boys. You have a shoulder rub. We have a pat on the back. But just because they're not your version of intimacy, that doesn't mean they're not intimacy at all. Just because you can't communicate with the French because you don't speak their language.. that does not mean they cannot communicate with each other.

@@MegaGothmog indeed the way she talks seemes very patronizing

@@MegaGothmog Men simply interact differently than women, the problem is how boys/men interact is frown upon and ironically some women feel some type of way when a man shows weakness how they want it to be. SO some boys/men see all intimacy as bad due to this push and pull. "Wrasslin' too violent" yet "He's suspect for crying". I honestly heard "Man Up" more from women than men... A lot of toxic masculinity is really toxic femininity since if it is instilled by one's mother she's upholding the very standards she overall will turn around and claim she doesn't like.

Absolutely! The toxic masculinity is a really important aspect of it, but I think part of that is tied into the much wider idea of the disconnect between society's expectations on us and what our inner voices actually want but that we don't even know how to express to ourselves, let alone to others to actually realise them. The Narrator goes on these incredibly convoluted paths, from faking himself into support groups for the terminally ill, to fighting strangers in a basement and starting a domestic terrorism cult, and even creating Tyler in his subconscious, all because until the very end of the film he simply doesn't know how to access his genuine emotions or to express how he's actually feeling because that's how the society around him has taught him to be.

Yup, that's what I got out of the movie.

I appreciate anarchy as an expression of nonconformity, but I've only ever seen it show up as as non-cooperation and that annoys me.

Okay, but at some point oppression is too grave a cost. Sometimes violence is needed. I’m reminded of Ghandi telling Jews during the Holocaust that they should willingly die in droves in order to serve as an example of nonviolence. As if that’d accomplish anything. As if that was the true way to make progress. I think that’s downright evil.

@@UltimateKyuubiFox thank you was gonna say this. People cant expect you to not be angry when you constantly throw shit on them. Wealthy people need to pay taxes.

That is not how revolutions work

@@MohamedRamadan-qi4hl, really, though, what other revolution has stuck to its intended purpose? China, for example, operates as Capitalism in the name of Communism, and Russia is the reverse: Communism in the name of Capitalism. And America is the WORST of the superpowers in some ways: slavery in the name of freedom. It's all in Orwell. They may seem like contradictions, but you have to remember that, as currently practiced, BOTH Capitalism and Communism are Authoritarian, not Anarchic, and those are only three--admittedly very broad--examples.

Look at crime rates mass shooters lot of them seem to have low testosterone and the Aww guys big warm nice guys the aww guys like cute little things kids puppies. Protective of who they love . The testesterone link is debunked. There's even a documentary on testosterone Debunking much it's bad rap. Testosterone is just a Fuel. Turns out it's also lack of Serotonin and agression has more to do with blood pressure . look at women on periods

@@Smartass012 are you trolling or ill?

Really they will never do Fifty Shades?

That rule was made to be broken. Second rule too.

My new Stand, [Post-Woke Culture]!

@@SinHurr woke culture only exist in a declining western world Which is why I adopted my mindset to the East world

@@tony_5156 woke culture also exist in the East my guy

Being physical teaches you understanding in real time it isn't like a lofty promise of "i'll be good" you know how it'll feel to when the pain hits you. Also mastery of one's body is fulfilling venture which is why a lot of kids simply need to play more to get out alot of that energy out. In school I loved getting Gym first period because it set my mind right for the whole day, I as calm, alert and wasn't angry anymore.

Wait, are you asking for a term or a female equivalent to Fight Club?

I'd be interested in seeing that, but not sure how that would lead to domestic terrorism Unless it's dismantling the patriarchy But that can be a interesting angle

Thelma and Louise is the female version in a way.

I'm not a movie buff but the first thing that comes to mind is Mean Girls. 🤷‍♀️

Promising Young Woman?

they will never do mean girls , cant be critical to women they'll be cancelled if they do

I was really wanting to hear what he was saying 😂😂

I mean, what happens here is these men were entitled, and then realized that they don't get what they want just because; sometimes other people are luckier, have more experience, or are just better suited to a job. All the domestic terrorism is basically a temper tantrum. Destroying a toy because they don't get to play with it.

@@belindaluna2067 A child that is not embraced by the village will burn it down to feel its warmth African Proverb

@@pll9000 You know who's less embraced by the village than straight white dudes? Gay white dudes. One of which wrote Fight Club and never burned any villages. Privilege and entitlement is what makes a straight white dude reach for a torch over few or perceived slights while the rest of us try to build campfires so that future generations can feel the warmth that we didn't.

Chuck Palahniuk found an outlet in writing. Sadly, not all do. Said book led to a great movie that millions enjoyed (across genders/races/orientations/etc). I have nothing but respect and admiration for the author. I hope you find it in your heart to look past your biases. Straight white dudes want to live in peace like most decent people in the world. I wish you all the best. Peace.

@@pll9000 It's not a bias that straight white dudes have it easiest in America, it's a fact. The men of Fight Club were meant to be a satire of straight masculinity, agonizing over not getting everything their privilege promised them when the rest of society has a lot more to be outraged about. Doesn't mean straight white dudes can't have problems, but even the very first bit of the story demonstrates how our narrator doesn't give a shit about other people who are actually suffering, as he is unashamedly using their support groups for his own sake. Boy's a parasite. And fight club is a pity party that a bunch of bloodsuckers throw because they aren't getting fed well enough or have to play sneaky to get their fill.

It's alright hon. I'm a trans person too, and I understand that struggle...it sucks to feel like people aren't going to see you a certain way...

Non of what you said is true or making remote sense if you are a girl that is changing to become a man then that makes you trans man not trans woman and the list of things that you claim makes some one not manly NOBODY considereds them un manly ESPECIALLY what you said about not caring about the story of a video game. That alone made me think that you are lieing

@@MohamedRamadan-qi4hl They are a trans woman which means that they are were assigned male at birth and transition to a woman.

@@MohamedRamadan-qi4hl I am going to assume that you are not aware of what terms mean rather than being hateful. Trans Female/Girl means I was assigned male at birth but am actually female. And I know in retrospect that those things don't make someone unmanly but in the toxic space I was in between my friend dying and realizing I was trans that didn't matter because all I could think about was how I wouldn't live up to the ideals of toxic masculinity, even though I knew deep down that isn't who I am. When we are in the dark we can't see how far adrift we are.

@@FREAKOFNATURE-mb8oo thankyou, it is nice to hear that reassurance from someone else

Totally! Capitalism affects us all.

@@RhomboMus That isn't Capitalism that Corpotism. Capitalism is working for yourself, a family business can be fulfilling. A dream job can be amazing. Being a Corpo wage slave is death

The frame flash happened a few times! I'm going to guess we both know why they did this 🤫😉

I slowed down the video to make sure I didn't imagine it. So meta! 😆Excellent work, peeps.

Also, Jonathan, I see what you did there around 13:16-13:18 XD

I scrolled down all this way just looking for someone to mention the cigarette burns! Very clever.

caught one at 3:17 when he says "pissed" and another at 18:03 when he says "my"

Yessssssssss!!!

Yeah. It's...Wow. Especially because Fincher supposedly fought to keep that line when the studio asked him to change it.

Carter was English and didn't know what grade school was or how old the students were Also the original line was 'I wanna have your abortion'. God Marla is perfect

@@painunending4610 The "grade school" line was actually subbed in by Palahniuk when the studios forced him to remove the "abortion" line. He warned them he'd just keep making it worse.

Yeah that goes into the whole Nietzsche side of it. Which shows Tyler was right until the violence later on happen. Throwing some punches ain't shit yet dropping Skyscrapers is beyond the rubicon