cowards thats all

They gonna remember that for life.

watching your dad get a smack on the nose isn't gonna scar you for life.

Could have definitely done more.

Why not deport these sorts of people

Millwall fans for you.

Getting excited and attaching your ego to a bunch of men kicking a ball is stupid. Men meeting up to fight dudes wearing a different jersey is pathetic

Taking your kids to such a match is irresponsible.

@@tendrosstoodross2976 The man with his family was on a train. Not at a football match.

@@tendrosstoodross2976 in that case having kids at all is irresponsible. Mist kids are abused by someone they know

It's nothing to do with football. It's primal.

it's not just a game of football. There's more to it, only people involved in this can truly say what it felt like. Was a better rush than taking drugs!! I have to say despite the criminal convictions I took from it, it was one of the best times in my life. The commorady, the buzz, going to football etc and standing toe to toe with your mates with others who want to beat you up. You do grow up, or it's forced on you to grow up. I'm glad I'm no longer involved in it all, but do look back at memories and think christ, how did we get away that!

@@tw9341 how do you think you grow up by acting like a hooligan and committing acts of violence? I think most people would view that as immature or perhaps carried out by people with a lower level of intelligence.

@@user-zs9zs9nq9l I grew up out of it when I become a father, I grew up out of it after facing prison. That’s what I meant.

Nothing to with being primal it’s a bunch of knuckle dragging Neanderthals that don’t know how to grow up

bad blue boys are very intense

@@mpglad402 Dinamo fans hate Hadjuk because half of the Hadjuk fans are Serbs

At least they did their beatings and mischief like a man nowadays somebody has a weapon on them and somebody ends up dying instead of dealing with it like real men

@@respectttt12345 yeah because a real man decks another in front of his two little girls and wife

Bigest gang hooligans Met police

Dire Straights or Chewbaccao Ma

Some of it is very organised, some of it are just lads getting drunk fur a game n see people wearing the other team's colours. Like wi the Old Firm (Celtic v Rangers) you huv hooligans who are part of a proper group n make plans fur when, what and where to do shit but also random teens n neds who on match day will be drunk n see someone wearing the other team's colours n start a fight wi them

@@connormc4477 have*

this was the late 80s to mid 90s the era when cctv was being brought in so you had to be this organized otherwise you were going to jail very quickly

They’ve always been organised, some dont even go to the match. They call themselves ‘firms’ and usually meet up for a square off with the designated enemy. Think if it as a warrior class training for futurewars. Once I saw it that way I was able to stop hating them. The more masculinity is demonised - the more people like this will need an outlet. Obviously I’m not condoning it, or any other violence. I think most of them would condemn the guy hitting someone in front of their kids. There on the other hand, it’s not my world, I’m just trying to understand it.

Good riddance to your Dad. He was a nasty piece of work

Are you from Millwall? East London?

vitali: The guy's in touch with himself/reality.

Quite big-headed

Yes but would you trust him if he suddenly palled up with you 😄?

@@monkeytennis8861 Still better than the people that he is policing.

@@deniseelsworth7816 I would trust any police officer given the alternative in this country.

Lucky your dad didn’t do what Steve did, if you know, you know

Like your dad said, it's the pack mentality, and especially back in the 80s, working class lads were going through a lot due to the social situations at the time, as a result, they're full of anger and this tends to come out at the weekend with mates, pissed up, etc. Same nowadays and why it's creeping back in.

Look up the link between leaded petrol and violent crime, then consider we didn’t start reducing the amount of lead in U.K. petrol until the mid 80’s, and didn’t completely ban it from sale at some stations (for use in vehicles that couldn’t use LRP) until 1999. The decline in football violence follows this pattern, but lagging a few years behind the reductions/bans (because lead affects children more then remains in their bones continuing to affect their behaviour as adults). If your dads bones were tested, they’d probably find some lead in them.

I'd say riding prostitutes and each other's wives too.

@@matthewnayler6317 I agree especially what happened between Spurs and Arsenal fans a couple of months ago. Could add what happened after the Everton v Palace match and other matches that I could mentioned. I blame this government for making this sort of environment socially acceptable. If they actually cared about sorting out the problems with the working class then they don't have the urge to be hooligans again.

There's a movie called ID which it seems was based on this guy

He got advice from Bex Bissell? Lol

@@Lauren_MUFC16 he was quite literally the best undercover guy they had but u gotta do bad things to catch worse people , wasn't necessarily football people he was after , he was after people behind it the big dealers and connected gangsters but he found out the police was as bad as the people he was trying to catch and they shut it down and just took down the middle tier guys instead of the big fish. A good mate of mine was undercover here in lufc country an he bought his way up to like million pound drug deals , there was 3 guys an him one day there was a meeting and they just turned on him an he woke up 2 years later 😳 doesn't know if he gave himself away or someone found something out , he told me he went to murder squad for a rest after 😳

@@BipoIarbear oh I totally understand you’ve got to play the part and emulate the people around you, or they’d sniff you out in a second. I can only imagine these firms and what’s really at the top….drugs, high stakes gambling, possibly weapons…it’s like well organised gangs or mafia if you will. I can’t imagine what your mate saw doing all that. I was just having a laugh really with the bex bissell comment cos of Gary Oldman and the firm and all that. 🙂

@@Lauren_MUFC16 awe thought we was gonna have some war o roses banter 😭 u know wat tho not sure wat age ya are but my fave footy days were 90s to mid 2000s specially Leeds man u games there was a proper rivalry . When I worked in Leeds and a match was on my route took me by a pub forget the name but it was terrifying just driving by it cos everyone would stare at u like ya was a copper or something it's only time when I felt like that pressure an I was nothing to do with it and I was a Leeds fan🤣 I think it was the red car and I wish I was joking 🤣

Spot on mate

But it’s Millwall mate. They are the scum of hooligans to keep their name as it is. Wall are like the arseholes of football culture as they don’t behave within the code

exactly

Yeah mate hooligan code of honour n all that 😂😂

All hooligans are knobheads.

Yeah, some of these shit heads just want to hurt people for their own pleasure. They're not worth the air they breath.

Your right and yet they tell us not to carry knifes. A knife will protect me from chelsea headhunters.

Chelsea were wankers ⚒

@@biddyearly9262 not if they take it off you, a bit of ammonia in the old jif lemon will relive you of that. Your better off giving it a swerve, unless you're up for it.

whos Paul

Watch this space...

@@LADbible love you x

@@ryanlock1101 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

@@ryanlock1101 Lol !

He is a lieing there was no pub called the puffin in New Cross were we used to meet up before a game and I was going from 1970 till 1995 and he said we lost there we done the double over them that year 3 1 at home and 2 1 away go back to writing for jacknory Jim baan

@@michaelmorgan8539 isn't this the whole plot to the film I.D.

@@mrnice7570 I don't know never seen the film mate all I know he just a bullshiter I can't believe people actually think it's the truth omg what fools

@@michaelmorgan8539 I'm a retired Met copper and lifelong West Ham fan.... I've never heard of this twat!! Had some great fun back in the day with "The Wall" at the old Dell. I actually have a soft spot for you guys. Good luck for the new season mukka.

@@Ksknight100 I know he is a joke good luck for this season

Selectively picked though, those who remain in can't talk about It, both these guys were in 20+ years ago and it's a lot different now to how it would of been

@@650kfit5 oh, absolutely, totally agree with your point. I would be very interested to learn what has changed as for now, what stayed the same, what became better, etc. But we're not getting this information any time soon for obvious reasons

The same goes for anyone in the job. Look at police chiefs for example. Just spineless yes people who do as they’re told and as soon as they get that golden pension they start squawking like budgies about the inadequacies and lack of funding. They do F all for their colleagues because they’re selfish

@@sjukbasketball8498 not really, same in any job some just make it to the top. I've met all the chiefs at various events and my own and a handful are absolutely amazing and will stick up for staff

@@650kfit5 meeting a few at an event doesn’t mean you get to see the operational competence of those people. I’m sure they speak highly at events etc but when push comes to shove they do as they’re told as they know they’ll be replaced with someone who will do exactly that

I f**king love you Gumbo

*throws dart at you*

@@deancapewell8927 😂😂😂😂

Time's a great healer, he'll eventually get over it.

Bit insensitive to say he’ll just get over it. Such a traumatic experience will haunt you. I’m an Arsenal fan so know full well how easy it is to walk out of a room when Tottenham are playing 😅 On a serious note that is awful and I hope he doesn’t always make this association. There are good and bad apples everywhere, sadly football gets ruined by the ones that use their team as a cause for bad. Bit like religion. The idea isn’t bad, it’s bad people that use the idea to support their own hate regime. I know this full well having stupidly being with a person that was a united hooligan when I was younger and more impressionable. You can kill the cause but you can’t kill facism and bigot

@@allwrighty100 You never get over hating those spuds down the 7 Sisters.

@@emma1784 It is not being insensitive. It’s more like a lack of a cell in said persons melon. You never forget hating the scum from shite hart lane.

Every team has rotten supporters, but that is an all time low....disgusting

You could be right alot of similarities in is his stories and the film

It is. The film was based on his book "running with the firm"

I fackin love you Gumbo!

@@craigduncan4716 🤣🤣🤣

Great film!

100% agree

yes

Working class lads angry at their circumstances, get together and let out some frustration on the weekends fuelled by booze and coke

I was one for a few years until the start of acid house and it's very addictive, theres the crazy adrenaline rushes, it's a sense of identity and belonging, not forgetting going to a new city with 50 or 100 friends was a great laugh

@@DeanK1905 bullshit

Same here mate, i live round the corner from the Tottenham ground and i personally couldn't give a shit about football, i'm a movie nerd

I think they just take football personal, like, if the team they support loses, they will want to kick the shit out of the fans of the team that beat them. You see them at times on Facebook, someone will make a comment how a team lost at football and there was this reply from someone along the lines of "Yeah we did lose just like your lot did too after the game". Even kinda explains in all these hooligan films.. never any reason in perticular why they choose that path, but they are surrounded by hundreds of people willing to have their back so it gives them a sense of security and at times, importance. 3 words for them - Scumbags, Junkies, Pussies

Sounds decent. What's it called?

@@lifeshort it’s called Running with the firm

@@THREAPZ1 Thanks mate

Sounds like the movie I.D his cover and infiltration during the day in the boozer to get the face known.

@@iamthewalruscuckookachoo1372 ID is based on his story.

Firm? Bunch of silly little boys🙄😂😂😂

@@markjohn1910 who gives a fuck? Bunch of silly little boys pretending to be hard men🙄🤣🤣🤣

Arsenal were well on it that day , I was in northbank and in The Arsenal tavern before hand when millwall attacked normal fans ( not hooligans ) , millwall came in northbank and proper came unstuck

So glad u mentioned I.D He’s story sounds near Word for word like that film So many similarities…

@@thomashamilton8125 he wrote the story for ID, it was based on his experiences, the film doesn't follow the book to the letter and I would say the book is better, but it's worth reading and watching them one after the other 👍.

I was getting very strong ID vibes within the first few minutes of this video. I thought to myself, that film has to be based on this guy's experiences as there are just far too many similarities. I've never really been a football fan and always found it hard to fathom why many are so passionate about the game spending hundreds on season tickets but each to their own. The same for the football firms really. However, I really enjoyed the film ID and I thought it blows the other films about football hooliganism out of the water and especially for small TV film production. I guess that even if I don't understand a particular world that's not a part of my life, I'm still curious about other people's stories and experiences and what makes them tick. What is the name of the book if you don't mind me asking?

@@edturner9670 running with the firm.

@@dennymc9646 Thanks 👍

All got £100K compensation for the Police lies.

This is 100% correct how football firms work, but there are lots of youth and other small groups running around who won't be apart of a firm and will just cause trouble in pubs etc.

hahahaha they always said that. I'm criminal but no innocent people are harm. But when shit hit the fan they dont give a shit about innocent people.

A guy I knew who ran with the Villa firm also said they would never attack someone wearing a teams colours in any form ie shirt, scarf, badge etc.

The head is one thing but there are a lot of members who may not have the same moral fortitude...

Millwall Bushwackers were next level back in the 80s.

Lol 😂

To cool him down?

Waste of money & time

A whole fridge?😭

BOSCH!

He’s a liar

I never realised ID was based on a true story

It was 100%. Think he wrote the screenplay.

“Waste of public tax money” you just described the police

@@DamianSAAAN to be fair the police do arrest some murderers, rapists, pedophiles etc. Did this undercover guy get arrests after this operation?

@@007ptb007 Yes but very often they let the evidence come to them so to speak. Dennis Nilsen was only found when remains blocked the pipes in his home/flat. The step mother and murderer of Arthur Hughes bloody called the medics and was so evidently lying that even the dumb police couldn't miss it though they had in the past (social services did but they're two branches from the same ugly tree)

@@OneAfter-wb9gq very true in some cases and with some bad officers, you reminded me of what a friend told me, he's an officer, he was telling us one night most of their time is used up on little scumbag repeat offenders, here in Ireland anyway there's 1000s of criminals going around with well over 100 previous convictions, recently in the news a guy with 225 previous convictions done something horrible to some girl, anyway the officers make these arrests, get these cases together and the judges either throw it out or suspend it or give them some ridiculous punishment, so they're out doing it again straightaway, he was saying due to this time wasting bullshit alot of horrible people have gotten away and alot of horrible crimes which could have been prevented weren't, he said do you know that channel 4 show 24 hours in police custody, its exactly like that, drunk people, scumbags, people with mental health issues etc. Waste all the time and resources, whereas dangerous criminals are more careful and they take a huge effort to catch because most serious criminals aren't like these alcoholics, people on drugs, extremely uneducated people who have social problems or have server mental issue like paranoia or delusional etc. Hooligans usually fall into this group I've described so are apart of the wasted resources

@@007ptb007 So police pick on the easy targets, like vulnerable people. While the police can’t be bothered to do any investigation into burglary, robbery, car theft or arson. Letting down victims of real crime. I was once in a bar and overheard a guy talking, he sounded like an off-duty police officer. He was bragging to his mate about how he loves escalating the situation and “wrapping up” someone with learning difficulties. It’s that police officer who is a bully, a coward and iobsworth who can’t do anything else. No wonder the Met Police are under investigation and are that bad they could be abolished.

Which book is this your referring to? Would love to read

It's called "running with the firm"

Cheers Jeff

Just like Millwall! Only good in numbers.

Are you being sarcastic or something.

violoence in the stadium IS banned anyway

@@blludoguk unless you're a player then it's ok to have a jolly on the pitch and not get a 3 year banning order!!! I could never work that one out lol

CCTV is useless. I know many people who have had their cars stolen in front of CCTV and the police did nothing. Has CCTV deterred criminals? No

🤣🤣🤣 Absolute dream job!! And the best part of it is not only was he getting his monthly wage but every pint he had would of been claimed back on expenses so he didn't have to pay for his beers either!!

@@delanodegenie6970 or tickets or anything gets paid to get Pissed travel the country and watch football no wonder he left he after it ended 😂

I just watched this movie and this guy is just basically retelling this movie word for word, I feel like a lot of his story is bullshit.

Blah blah blah

I agree with u on a lot of what u say but every football lad hooligan i know they all work, most in high paying jobs, one guy i know who was a big hooligan in his younger days is a self made millionaire.

@@TheBlackPrince447 Football ain't cheap. You cannot go to an away game if you are on benefits, never mind a home one.

@@I_Don_t_want_a_handle Yeah, ticket and day out even at home looking at £150 easy.

This is off topic but what is the best Chewbacca Mom leotard?

Which is the way it should be.

Immoral. Ffs🙄

@@NH-bz9jv no amoral, look it up

@@Lupinicus1664 no need, I know exactly what amoral means son, but immoral is more relevant😘

Thanks mate. I was asking this but didn't get an answer. When he started going on about paint and decorater and going in the pub during the day and the barmade sussing them out.

Fantastic

This guys story reminds me a lot of that film some of the scenarios sound like they were in the movie. I wonder if he was the inspiration?

@@martinl4552 It was based on his story, he left the police force after he was undercover i'm sure he had a part in the making of the film , he also has book out called Running with the firm

This is why ACAB is spray painted all over cities in England. Whilst some police officers are good most are power tripping arse holes more interested in bullying ordinary people than catching hardened criminals. Security guards with a licence to harass.

You sound bent

@@noeledmonds12 ye I’m the bent one pal 🙄🤣even if I was least I don’t spend every weekend off me head on coke and drinking until I pass out and soil my self or ending up In a cell . Dumb dumb go scream at your tv

Ooo, you're 'ard

Niceeee can you tell me more about football at Chelsea back then and of course you watched George Best implode as well right and united relegation

@@Doggomorph Saw George Best score at Highbury! Great player! Chelsea weren't rated much, few good players, Charlie Cooke , Peter Osgood . They had their share of shitty fans, the ones that ran away!

I remember my late grandad loved football and didn't support anyone, when utd smashed Chelsea in the cup final in 94 he said good and I asked why and he said Chelsea have always been a horrible little football club

What are you on about?

'At least he admitted' is the wrong way to put it. He literally wasn't a football hooligan, he was undercover to try and get real hooligans done

undercover means something else 😅

🤣🤣

Great point, it's usually chelsea fans

So true c m. I've read so many stories and they are stories of 4 taking on 200 and coming out on top. It just is not true. I admit, Leeds United fans wiped the floor with me at Elland Road in 1976 when I was 13. The kicking made me stronger and I looked for the Leeds away fixture first every season. I got my own back 20 years later. The lad I did at Elland Road that day had no idea it was 20 years of hatred that confronted him....I actually felt sorry for him. I was never proud of fighting at football, it's what we did. That's life.......

Get your tools out Gumbo!

fuck me you didnt have alot of luck that week mate,first with the old head taking a knock at work followed by having ur face punch in and loss of teeth.........but it wasnt all bad that week,you did win the game 2-0

Yep, your right. But a lot of people are incompetent. I’m sure America wastes enough money as well. Billions.