Film Theory: This is Disney’s WORST Fear! (Winnie the Pooh)

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Can you imagine if your favorite, friendly Pooh Bear had a HORROR movie? Well, that is an actual reality now. But it’s NOT from the minds at Disney. So is this even legal? And could other Disney characters get their own horror movies? Oh Bother, we’re in for a good episode today!
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@nicolefontaine3037 Жыл бұрын

Matpat literally taught me more about public domain, copyright and trademarks, than any of my schools could.

@MaxRamos8 Жыл бұрын

You never took a business class?

@acutedog9189 Жыл бұрын

@@MaxRamos8 whaaat? unimaginable

@E11iewi11iams Жыл бұрын

Same lol I’ve actually learnt so much from his channels and well nothing from school 😭

@MaxRamos8 Жыл бұрын

@@acutedog9189 how so did you not even finish high school?

@Guy-cb1oh Жыл бұрын

Thats your first problem

@Celestia282 Жыл бұрын

I've noticed the addition of the Steamboat Willie animation into the Disney logo, but I always thought it was just a fun reference and callback to the origins of the company, a way to honor their heritage. I never realized that it was a skeezy way to dodge copyright law. That kinda makes me feel bad.

@MissFirenze1 Жыл бұрын

It's rather smart if you think about it, nobody would recognise it unless they'd seen the original steamboat willie animation

@Lucky10279 Жыл бұрын

Honestly, it seems kind of dumb to me. Like, seriously, _who cares_ if people can use a centuries old version of Mickey that most people aren't even familiar with? Like, they can't seriously be making a noticeable amount of money off of content that old, and the current version, which is _very_ different, will still be protected by copyright. So I really don't get why they even care that much.

@Celestia282 Жыл бұрын

@Mikayla Eckel Cifrese Because we're living in end stage capitalism. It's not just about winning; it's about crushing everyone else. Not only does Disney want to bleed the consumer base for every penny they can, they also want to make sure that no one else can earn a single thing. Yes, letting Steamboat Willie go would have a negligible impact on their year-end profits, but they didn't rise to the top of the industry by being nice.

@kingofsomething3250 Жыл бұрын

@@Celestia282 end stage? elaborate

@pegasBaO23 Жыл бұрын

@@kingofsomething3250 The final form of capitalism, where everything is controlled by capital

@cassie2392 Жыл бұрын

Gotta give it to Disney - Trademarking literal frames of animation was genius

@sharktenko267 Жыл бұрын

I'm curious if that will hold in court

@taskdon769 11 ай бұрын

@@sharktenko267 Don't think it matters really, the creators will just make a character with two big circle on each side of the head and call it Micky or Mickie.

@thuta9548 11 ай бұрын

@@taskdon769 micky the mousey ;-;

@Zero-ve4lt 11 ай бұрын

@@thuta9548 nicky the rat

@mikethegoo 11 ай бұрын

@@Zero-ve4ltRickey the Rodent

@BiggestPhangirl Жыл бұрын

If you want to distinguish Mickey, just take the buttons off his pants, or put four buttons instead of two. Make the tips of his shoes flatter or pointier or whatever. They never change Mickey’s clothes so if you mix up the clothes it isn’t Disney’s Mickey anymore. Their Mickey only ever has the single outfit. Or just stick to fanfics and fan art and upload them to FanFiction or DeviantArt.

@ErrorNamenotfound-mx7bv 6 ай бұрын

Replace the buttons with a belt :D

@ultimamage3 5 ай бұрын

@@ErrorNamenotfound-mx7bv"Replace it with many belts" - Tetsuya Nomura

@PurooRoy 4 ай бұрын

They never change Mickey's clothes? There was literally an era from where Mickey wore all kinds of clothes for nearly 50 years.

@notinuse856 Жыл бұрын

from chuck e cheese to winnie the pooh, this man can make ANYTHING full of lore and even eviller than it should ever be. thanks mat.

@notinuse856 Жыл бұрын

@Jack Wrath wow youre def not a bot

@campcopake Жыл бұрын

*knock knock* Grinch: You forgot me

@Battleray Жыл бұрын

Yeah

@jcage1022 Жыл бұрын

@@notinuse856 I'd say they're just calling you stupid in a creative way, since that wasn't MatPat's work. The film's existence is "even eviller" than Pooh ever should be. MatPat had nothing to do with it.

@HashknightGaming Жыл бұрын

@@notinuse856 Bruh this is an actual film.

@sexygirlmax2019 Жыл бұрын

Disney sued and threatened a childrens hospital for having a peter pan themed room/playcenter to help the kids cheer up and socialize even though they were using it based on public domain and werent even using the disney characters. Its nice seeing someone use the public domain to scare disney like this

@gamingtv-wn7si Жыл бұрын

Disney is too harsh

@lily-maielsley Жыл бұрын

I think, A) that they DONT have to ask because it’s kids. Sick kids what kind of b#### takes away fun from kids? B) who cares? Like I’ve said before ITS SICK KIDS C) Disney has better things to do like making a new movie

@jacktheflash8478 Жыл бұрын

@@lily-maielsley the people who make the movies don’t deal with copyright

@grandstarstudiosYT Жыл бұрын

disney is evil and deserves to get pirated from

@yugi4741 Жыл бұрын

@@lily-maielsley even tho now the movies are quite how do i say this

@Actionfan19 Жыл бұрын

This might actually explain why they're doing all these live action remakes. A means to maintain rights to their versions of these characters.

@silverdamascus2023 11 ай бұрын

Making a sequel or remake does not extend the copyright to the original, it just creates a situation where the original is in the public domain, but the sequel/remake isn't so imitators can only use characters and elements from the original.

@initiisnovis9673 11 ай бұрын

Most of the movies they are remaking have still quite a lot of time before they enter the public domain

@BenDCPS 10 ай бұрын

They actually did that with Winnie the Pooh with Christopher Robin.

@calledmedarling 9 ай бұрын

this is literally exactly why

@hollykatescanlon6174 8 ай бұрын

wow that actually makes a lot of sense 🙎

@RewindOGTeeHee Жыл бұрын

I love how matpat & team have made these videos impossible for Disney to copyright claim unless they want to make it canon that their mascot is a deranged evil kidnapping serial killer.

@noahalcantar2431 8 ай бұрын

@RewindOGTeeHee what do you mean by that?

@Didyouknowthatiexist 4 ай бұрын

They should copy right strike it I wanna see it become canon

@digimonlover1632 3 ай бұрын

Why do people say it’ll become canon? It won’t.

@camilaacosta1508 Жыл бұрын

I love how mat manages to stay consistent with all his channels

@Ccsmo Жыл бұрын

i wish every bot a shitty saturday

@sageviper2981 Жыл бұрын

I hope that whoever is supposed to take over keeps the quality of these videos up

@Romanian_Man Жыл бұрын

These bots are crazy 💀

@AtomicDuelist Жыл бұрын

@@sageviper2981 the person taking over is owning the company and such, matpat will still be in FULL control over making his videos and will have even more time in order to do so to make even better content (if the deal hasnt finished already)

@Chasen988 Жыл бұрын

@Jack Wrath We need to watch this

@cassandramathis8657 Жыл бұрын

Ok, we NEED a stop motion animated adaptation of the original Winnie the pooh

@schoo9256 Жыл бұрын

That would actually be beautiful

@markotnanatkapietruszki Жыл бұрын

They did Moomins a while ago and it was amazing, check it out if you like them :)

@wumpus976 Жыл бұрын

Now all of a sudden, Winnie the Pooh becoming public domain doesn’t seem so bad.

@ischeele7203 Жыл бұрын

There's a soviet animated Winnie the Pooh... It's a refreshing take on the old bear, feels just like a storybook.

@darththespian4856 Жыл бұрын

I wanna do it now that sounds so cool

@johnmunoz-crabb8393 Жыл бұрын

This reminds me of Hasbro's relationship with the word 'transform'. You'll notice in most of the recent toy packaging and instructions, they advertise that the figure "converts in X number of steps" because if they overuse the word 'transform' it will become generic and allow other companies to sell 'transformers' toys instead if 'transforming robot toys'

@Daniel_taichouYT 11 ай бұрын

Thanks matpat you've really made me understand about copyrights, trademarks and the public domain. I'm beginning to see how things work just right after you explained them

@9ightdreamer 8 ай бұрын

Watching a simple theory? Well jokes on you, you just learned how the copyright and trademarks work!

@Owl_of_Books Жыл бұрын

Someone is 100% going to make a horror movie based on all of the Disney characters 😂

@strangelvx Жыл бұрын

id watch it

@d.k.t.3380 Жыл бұрын

To be fair, I would totally watch a "teens trapped in an abandoned house with a guy in a mouse costume killing them off" slasher flick called "House-Of-The-Mouse" or something...

@117MasterSpartan Жыл бұрын

They did it’s South Park

@11skylars Жыл бұрын

@@117MasterSpartan mf what

@Dave_Miller_TP Жыл бұрын

Abandoned by Disney movie

@uxw05 Жыл бұрын

I don’t know why, but I absolutely love it when the theorist channels start talking about copyright, trademarks, and the public domain and seeing the lengths companies are willing to go to keep their IPs in their control.

@ninjaartist1235 Жыл бұрын

Making learning about boring laws fun is something I appreciate in someone.

@AZGamezYT 4 ай бұрын

Well now mickey is public 💀 Watching in January 2024

@sasukeuchiha9071 4 ай бұрын

@@AZGamezYTsame

@AZGamezYT 4 ай бұрын

@@sasukeuchiha9071 u came from the danno video?

@DevKamesh 4 ай бұрын

@@AZGamezYTI did

@kawaiiamethist 11 ай бұрын

I watched this flick today and I am dumbfounded and impressed it exists. Kudos to the filmmakers, and I hope there's a sequel with Tigger, because that guy would be a terrifying adversary!

@ajward9112 9 ай бұрын

Absolutely. I mean, the dude can not only bounce, but he can bounce high.

@kawaiiamethist 9 ай бұрын

@@ajward9112 I'd also love to see Owl swooping down like a ninja out of nowhere.

@dylan1333 7 ай бұрын

@ajward9112 7 ай бұрын

@@kawaiiamethist Oh yes - Owls are already naturally scary birds. That could be next level horrific

@Themfeels101 Жыл бұрын

A Peter Pan horror room actually makes sense because Peter Pan is arguably the villain there. Captain Hook may not be fully innocent, but Peter Pan isn't much better.

@TheRunawayWriter Жыл бұрын

I’m not gonna lie, ‘Bambi: The Reckoning’ made me laugh so hard I had to pause the video in order to collect myself. I had heard there may be a Bambi horror movie, so that in and of itself didn’t shock me. For some reason, the title just caught me by surprise and absolutely sent me

@juliajohnson4080 Жыл бұрын

Tbh the original Bambi is pretty dark to begin with, so I wasn’t shocked

@chill_ice68 Жыл бұрын

@@juliajohnson4080 yeh

@SadGirlHours_ Жыл бұрын

Literally the snl sketch

@AngelArcher17 Жыл бұрын

Bambi finally gets revenge

@CKT47 10 ай бұрын

@@juliajohnson4080how I mean yea his mom got killed if in the first 10 minutes and he threw that one guy off a cliff in a fight but if anything it’s more realistic

@popculturedata Жыл бұрын

A horror movie with Mickey Mouse would be quite unique

@AuntieHauntieGames Жыл бұрын

Eh, the mouse is trademarked, so Mickey will never really go into the public domain. The copyright on his steamboat willy design is entering the public domain but that is all. The character overall is trademarked and trademarks last forever so long as a company maintains them, and a horror movie would likely get challenged right off the bat since the *character* will always be Disney's.

@redrasegarden Жыл бұрын

Oh maybe we can get abandoned by Disney.

@Noicer_wastaken Жыл бұрын

Nope remember the trade mark.

@imgonnaputsomedirtinureyedabs Жыл бұрын

Have u seen the Roblox horror game Rickey Rat? It’s basically that and it’s like really well made at points u forget ur playing a block game. Highly suggest trying it out

@aaronlane8276 Жыл бұрын

Willy’s Steamboat Slaughterhouse

@buser387 4 ай бұрын

THE MOUSE IS OURS!

@pepelagarto8110 Жыл бұрын

11:10 matpat turned into kermit while explain ING copyright lmao

@KFP_Fanboy Жыл бұрын

disney’s worst fear is the kung fu panda franchise, it’s going to put disney out of business

@alarminglyenthustiasticmet1460 Жыл бұрын

I cannot agree more, Disney is going to get crushed by Dreamwork's Kung Fu Panda!

@TheSecondKidNamedFinger Жыл бұрын

@@DontReadMyProfilePicture.6k

@masteroogway9525 Жыл бұрын

Agreed

@KFP_Fanboy Жыл бұрын

@@masteroogway9525 totally

@trixxart777 Жыл бұрын

Is there another movie coming out I thought the story was over

@stef5853 Жыл бұрын

The Peter Pan horror... yeah that one already exists in literary form. The book is called Lost Boy. And while it may not appear as a horror (and I would agree that it can be discussed whether it's horror or not) but once you start to think about it as a backstory, it becomes a bit chilling.

@Joxie_Jaxon Жыл бұрын

Link

@thegoldenfox951 Жыл бұрын

@@Joxie_Jaxon its a book you cant get a link

@lopezroilans.8384 Жыл бұрын

I mean the original Peter pan is already horror enough (kidnaps children, kills lost boys who grow up, etc.)

@AFunkyPigeon Жыл бұрын

@@thegoldenfox951 it's like those Facebook things where kids are looking at a newspaper like "why won't the buttons work"

@thegoldenfox951 Жыл бұрын

@@lopezroilans.8384 they did the peter pan story well in the tv show once upon a time

@DMAG12 Жыл бұрын

I love the Kingdom Hearts references in this video. Great job MattPat, never thought you could do that! Combined two of my favorite worlds 🥹🥹

@jakneez 4 ай бұрын

I am very scared for Donald Duck’s copyright time to run out but... I WAS thinking about making a parody news program starring him, so... yeah.

@shacharlem4424 Жыл бұрын

Legal loopholes also existed with the mean one, a horror adaptation of how the Grinch stole Christmas. The character was simply never referred to as "the Grinch, whoville was named "newville", Cindy loohoo was named "Cindy you know who" among many other examples. And that film was still made much before the Grinch came to public domain.

@c.d.dailey8013 Жыл бұрын

Weird. Grinch is pretty much the modern family friendly version of Krampus. So it wouldn't be much of a stretch to turn that into a horror movie. Someone just has to look into the creepier parts of Christmas lore. They can get all sorts of ideas. The Christmas Carol is really creepy since it is about ghosts.

@gonzalocianci6105 Жыл бұрын

Cindy You know whos that Made me laugh out loud

@shacharlem4424 Жыл бұрын

I also personally think that Hilda, ren and stimpy, Amphibia and who framed Roger rabbit could work as horror films.

@FrostTheHobidon Жыл бұрын

Not Only the Original Mickey will be in the Public Domain, people forget about the original Minnie and Pete will also too.

@scourgeofman4980 Жыл бұрын

So Mini will be the one to go on a killing spree after the decapitation of her beloved Mickey by a giant mouse trap! We'll call it: Mini The Mouse, Cheese and Whine 😭

@Pacbandit13 Жыл бұрын

@@scourgeofman4980 your thinking too small 50 shades of mini soon come

@EmperorGoliaththeEverliving Жыл бұрын

@@Pacbandit13 Nah, Nah, 50 Shades of Pete with Pete and Minnie in the starring roles.

@looneylunatic.2133 Жыл бұрын

Who's Pete?

@sonicfanboy3375 Жыл бұрын

@@looneylunatic.2133 That's Mickey's arch nemesis he's the captain of the ship in Steamboat Willie

@binhanjustbinhan9141 4 ай бұрын

Boy oh boy, ain't this aged so well.

@OR56 Жыл бұрын

12:01 There is no way Disney can copyright Darth Vader breathing. It is literally just SCUBA gear noises.

@SunshineMeadows Жыл бұрын

usually all this legal jargon doesn't hold my attention but wow, i didn't realize copyright and trademark laws were so blooming specific. thanks for presenting it all in an interesting way, matpat. i have a feeling this video is going to be pretty handy for a lot of people over the next few years.

@phoenixvalentina3741 Жыл бұрын

People have always been doing horror things with beloved characters. Worst fear for companies is when it becomes legal and can go on the big screen: public domain

@reuben_sandwich_ 7 ай бұрын

One of the worst thing I've seen from these kind of laws is that the AFL (Australian Football Legue) (I'm Aussie) wants to start an official AFL team for Tasmania, but they can't call themselves the 'Tassie/Tasmanian Devils, an Aussie animal, and their state animal, because Warner Brothers owns the trademark to the name 'Tasmanian Devil', and they're currently in the middle of a lengthy legal battle for the rights for the name.

@AGurlWithADream 3 ай бұрын

Me watching this in 2024 🤠👍

@Acoustic_Pineapplr Ай бұрын

Same lol

@maricelagarcia7453 Ай бұрын

SAME

@mei.hogaraka 27 күн бұрын

Same 😅

@callejidell3836 Жыл бұрын

To be fair, Reimagining characters without their iconogrophy sounds like a great way to get to the core of a character in creative ways.

@mikethegoo 11 ай бұрын

And you CAN'T trademark or copyright a personality... I hope

@swift_heart_bunnie 9 ай бұрын

@@mikethegoo i'm sorry, sir, but you cannot act like that anymore. your personality is now owned by the disney company

@mikethegoo 9 ай бұрын

@@swift_heart_bunnie Goddammit!

@MarvelousTBDyt1037 4 ай бұрын

@@mikethegoofirst time getting copyrighted huh?

@heatherwhite6511 Жыл бұрын

Been a while since we’ve heard the Mickey Mouse voice over here. Still just as good as always :)

@AllMight6 Жыл бұрын

Beap Boop I am Bot

@chrid200 Жыл бұрын

i am a bot also

@SergioLeonardoCornejo Жыл бұрын

Has that peculiarly malevolent aura to it. Just like the company who created him. Walter probably looks from the spirit realm with frustration ever since at least the 80s.

@_natnotfound_ 9 ай бұрын

6:31 The most unrealistic part of the video You know they didn't give them a free trip to Disney world Maybe a 13% discount

@eclipseruin8265 Жыл бұрын

I've been binge watching every theory channel ever since I stopped 3 months ago due to exams. I'm watching in the toilet and anywhere possible you can imagine. I'm loving this

@user-qe8jg4kf8y Жыл бұрын

Ok now I'm officially convinced he can turn anything into a theory.

@GA-dl4by Жыл бұрын

Ikr

@zuzizui6433 Жыл бұрын

dude there are links everywhere

@Program303 Жыл бұрын

He’s turned clothes into theory’s I bet he can turn doors into theory’s as well

@Program303 Жыл бұрын

And maybe he can turn chairs into theorys

@Marshmellow_Cat Жыл бұрын

@JackWrath3.. Imagine someone not knowing how to breath oxygen...😂🤣!! Get a better trap next Time!!!

@davidroddick91 Жыл бұрын

I wanted to print out a book of music for the clarinet, and so I looked up a list of public domain music, believing it would be all classical stuff. But I was surprised to see names like Cole Porter, Irving Berlin, Harold Arlen...I hadn't realized some of the great songs that are now in the public domain.

@jhonshephard921 Жыл бұрын

There is a whole set of songs people would love for you to adapt. Look up copy-left. Also for examples of songs look up Pete Seeger, Faith Petric, Joe Hill or basically anything in a book called IWW's Little Red Songbook.

@tydino101 18 күн бұрын

if they make a tigger horror movie, i hope they stay lore consistent and include the "bones made of springs" thing that he sings about in the show. i'm not sure if it was in the books though...

@Mugboi2346 4 ай бұрын

I actually have a good pitch for a steam boat Willie game ok so It’s starts on steamboat Willie cutscene yk when he’s whistleing and then Mickey mouse (steam boat Willie) sinks down in ink And he sinks back up in a ware house kind of with these inky guys kind of like the lost from bendy and the ink machine and the lost one explains that If he doesn’t beat the evil Pete (from steamboat Willie who also escaped) he will be forgotten so it’s up to them to stop him (ps it would be like a paper Mario and Cuphead game

@hongchris Жыл бұрын

Matt actually had such a good opportunity to use the the Fine bros “react” trademark attempt to help explain why you can’t trademark ideas like “theory” 😂

@mr_indie_fan Жыл бұрын

Trademark* you said the wrong term.

@hongchris 10 ай бұрын

@@mr_indie_fan correction taken 🫡

@godoatthegoat2884 Жыл бұрын

I think some good works could come out of this. Imagine a Winnie the Pooh or Mickey Mouse movie where instead of a edgy horror bloodbath there are more adult and deep themes that Disney isn't brave enough to depict. Something like Del Toro's Pinocchio but with disney characters. The fact that they necessarily have to distance themselves from the modern depictions of these characters to avoid copyright could ironically become an advantage instead of a limitation.

@jacobkeefe1534 11 ай бұрын

Grimm's tales, e.g.

@cassiewhite879 7 ай бұрын

I don't think so!

@polycube868 4 ай бұрын

Yeah but film makers are lazy and often prefer a quick buck especially if they can use shock factor to get views.

@Michael_mouse821 Жыл бұрын

Matpat is the only person who can convince me I’m a crayon and I’d believe it wholeheartedly.

@stupid2735 9 ай бұрын

Dude I was literally on the toilet when he said "you, without your pants on"

@r_puff Жыл бұрын

learned about this from someone talking about how harry potter would have gone into the public domain with some of those older laws, but it’s good to see matt spreading the info to a wider audience here. gah, i just wish people were allowed to be creative and not be afraid of the stupid mega corporations like disney and WB.

@herowither12354 Жыл бұрын

You are allowed to be creative. By making new characters.

@r_puff Жыл бұрын

@@herowither12354 and you should also be allowed to be creative with works that are getting older. and not have to wait like 150+ years to work with the characters, just because corporations are greedy.

@herowither12354 Жыл бұрын

@@r_puff I do think it does get a little much, I think it should be like, 100 years after publication, no matter when the creator dies. But also, besides that, I don't believe there is a single character that's over 100 years old that you cannot use.

@elizabethhearts3401 Жыл бұрын

@@herowither12354 if jk Rowling dies sometime after 2038, there will be

@ttmfndng201 Жыл бұрын

@@herowither12354 100 years is a really long time

@Shreckster22 Жыл бұрын

This theory was legit scarier than the actual movie

@aureliamastergoomba1278 Жыл бұрын

6:00 We can assure Game Freak, Nintendo, and Sega are gonna be riding THAT for a LONG TIME

@Firerider2002 4 ай бұрын

Well we’re here in 2024 and it looks like everyone’s right, the steam boat willie version of mickey mouse is now in the public domain

@yeayeh Жыл бұрын

Omg i actually need to thank matpat for this. I thought i would be confused asf while he was talking about copyright and trademark laws, but its actually far from it. Seriously, Matt has a strange gift to explain things so well. Thank you for teaching me and keeping me entertained in the process. Peace.

@_Justaperson__ Жыл бұрын

Ironically I kept telling my friends "someone should turn Disknee movies into horror movies" can't believe someone actually did that LMAO

@JetstarStudios Жыл бұрын

I know he was joking about “Copyright Theory” but fr this is stuff I need to know as a creator, please make more of this!

@jamiealmenning-lland8805 3 ай бұрын

Matpat? How did you know that I wasn't wearing any pants?

@cinimonnor6379 Жыл бұрын

1:48 I’m in the bathroom right now and that joke made me more scared than the movie did

@LONELYL0SER Жыл бұрын

DUDE SAME

@BlueFoxPunch Жыл бұрын

Me too man I'm terrified

@m1germsy784 Жыл бұрын

I'm literally commando in my bed right now💀

@selimide9993 11 ай бұрын

me too man

@user-bf8ly8vt4g 10 ай бұрын

Bro I started looking for cameras 😂😂😭😭 1:50

@brycediener Жыл бұрын

it would be interesting to see a follow up episode of this talking about how companies can lose even their trademark because the wording itself becomes common use. I heard something along the lines of Kleenex does not want their name being used interchangeably with a tissue like, "can you pass me a Kleenex" and really you are just asking for any type of tissue paper. When a company's word is used for the generic meaning of that word those companies can lose the rights to that word itself. If we started using "mickey" to refer to every mouse we see I wonder if the same would be true.

@thexp905 Жыл бұрын

Google, for the longest time, was trying that same argument actually. They lost it though, Google is now a word equivalent in meaning to "search" It's also why you got the "why don't you Bing it?" ads for a while, as they were trying to push their name more into the public eye, whilst not losing it, as they could trademark the term because of the ads.

@ScooterinAB Жыл бұрын

Yep. This is a real problem with corporate language. I can't remember the name of it, but it is a real process and something that erodes trademarks. I don't think they necessarily lose the trademark though. It just makes it harder to defend certain uses of it. This is sort of how Donkey Kong exists. Kong is just a term in Japan for a gorilla (that and Universal claimed the character was in public domain so they could use him).

@monettemoradi 4 ай бұрын

Back here with Steamboat Willie being used for every horror game am low budget horror movie

@marianemarangao2840 4 ай бұрын

HOW DOES HE KNOWS I AM NOT USING PANTS?!?!?

@Blind_Eye046 Жыл бұрын

I like the idea of the original winnie just walking in the public domain, only to stumble into this movie by accident after taking a shady path, and accidentally meet the slasher. "Oh bother, do you need help cleaning off that jam?"

@starsiadraws Жыл бұрын

Is your profile picture... traumacore?

@Sorain1 Жыл бұрын

You know Proxima, honestly? It'd be neat if the monster just responded by politely appreciating it and sending the original on his way.

@Blind_Eye046 Жыл бұрын

@@starsiadraws Nah, They're literally just blind. I don't really have trauma. Okay that was a lie, but still :)

@BiblioRook Жыл бұрын

Doesn't surprise me that Peter Pan is one of the ones next up to become a horror movie, depending on how you look at the original work it practically is close to being one already and probably would require surprisingly little adjustment to become full-on horror. Peter Pan just as an individual is just creepy.

@FICUSULXD189 Жыл бұрын

Yeah now that if it's done right (which I doubt) can be an actual ok/good movie!

@ChristopherGonzalez1280 Жыл бұрын

That TV show when they did with the fantasy characters, they made Peter Pan as a joker like antagonist. It was brilliant

@BluebirdTrainProductions 10 ай бұрын

Rhys Frake Waterfield will not use the Disney's Version, he would use the Paramount's version, 1911 or 1904 (The Paramount's version had enter in public domain in 2020, that version was published in Dec 29th 1924, before of new year 1925)

@southernfriedwestcoaster Жыл бұрын

Thanks for the vids Mattpat

@Milo-ov9jl 4 ай бұрын

I’m watching this 4 days after Mickey Mouse was entered the public domain and there are already horror movies and games on Mickey Mouse

@WynneL Жыл бұрын

As someone who was nicknamed Winnie the Pooh as a small child (due to my name being somewhat similar), I cannot tell you how weird this is. Even weirder than it is for everyone else.

@janetstreet7264 Жыл бұрын

😢

@YellowStickmanAnimations 4 ай бұрын

How does that give you a status to say how weird this is, its not even weird? You just hear the name and what?

@biggerdoofus Жыл бұрын

Both copyrights and trademarks have big aspects that Matpat neglected here. For copyright, there's the aspect of "mise-en-scene" (which is similar but not quite the same as the theatre meaning). Basically, only aspects of a work that are sufficiently "expressive" and "original" can be copyrighted, so if something is too mundane or expected, it's not included. This could mean that Superman's other abilities count as long as they're the ones that superheroes tend to have (like flight). There's also the part where new versions of Superman would still get to own new elements that are themselves original (like if you decided that Superman now gets to revive the dead or something). For trademarks, there's both the issue of trademark erosion (when a trademark becomes the generic form for something and thus unable to be a trademark) and whether the use is relevant to the actual purpose of the trademark to begin with. I suspect the steamboat willy frames won't actually infringe unless used in thumbnails, since they don't actually work to identify a source if they're in the middle of an animation.

@deadersurvival4716 Жыл бұрын

He literally did cover that. He literally went out of his way to cover the first point. With the copyright, he explicitly calls out that you can't use the from Winnie the Pooh, but you can have a generic kid, talking bear, pig and donkey having adventures in a forest. With trademark, that's irrelevant, as the Superman logo and crest are both already trademarked, and would be renewed with everything else, and that's for things like when names of a specific product get accepted as general lexicon. For instance, the hoover vacuum is the basis for the phrase "hoovering" to become synonymous with vacuuming. The company can't go after you for using them interchangeably, but they can come after you if you try to make a vacuum named the "hoover vacuum".

@biggerdoofus Жыл бұрын

@@deadersurvival4716 Generic kid, talking bear, etc. aren't the parts I was talking about. Those the ideas before being fleshed out. Mise-en-scene as I understand it is more that the parts that are too common within the fleshed out version. That's why I gave the example of superheroes having flight extremely often, as that would make a good case for a public domain version of Superman being able to get flight as well. It's not that flight is generic, it's that it's ubiquitous within the genre. As for the trademark thing, trademark erosion isn't stopped by already having something trademarked, nor is the actual usage of the trademark irrelevant. Consider this: would DC really be able to stop an artist from showing an S on superman's shirt in the middle of a comic book if the reader has to buy the book to see it?

@ScooterinAB Жыл бұрын

I suspect that the expression of those frames in that fashion as it forms a logo is where the trademark will stop. The frames themselves are all fair game, as would be any film that uses them. You just won't be able to reproduce Disney Animation's logo.

@deadersurvival4716 Жыл бұрын

@@biggerdoofus Incorrect, because if they're common with the "fleshed out version" then you haven't really fleshed anything out. You're just taking advantage of basic expectations. If something is still generic in it's topic (a superhero with flight or high tech machinery), then giving something in that topic the generic abilities is still just generic. Giving a superhero flight or high tech doesn't make it fleshed out, because, as you said, they're practically standard. And if it's standard and generic, you can't copyright it. Correct, trademark erosion isn't stopped by having something already trademarked, but protecting something that you already have trademarked is excessively easier than trying to get a trademark. And yes, the actual usage is VERY relevant. On top of that, your actual question is also a "yes", and there's MANY evidences and examples that they not only can, but will, as that's happened with MANY knockoffs of Superman that already exist. There's a reason that all the knockoffs that exist don't use that symbol, and in a lot of cases, outright do whatever they can to rename the character, to put a different letter, and different design there.

@AstralDragn Жыл бұрын

That last point was huge recently because Google didn't want people to use 'google' to mean 'look something up', if it fully became meaning synonymous to that, it would not be possible for Google to keep their trademark on, well, google.

@sh0rtBaker1 9 ай бұрын

I just love your videos. I'm playing some games and listening to either The Film Theorist, The Game Theorist or The Food Theorist

@GOODYGOODGOOD789 3 ай бұрын

12:46 Fun fact the hyphen in Spider-Man's name was inserted because Stan Lee felt that he could get into legal troubles with DC without it because both Superman and Spider-Man's names started with S and ended with man.

@MrCreator-572 3 ай бұрын

Cool fun fact!

@GOODYGOODGOOD789 3 ай бұрын

@@MrCreator-572 Thanks.

@avoprim5028 3 ай бұрын

@@GOODYGOODGOOD789 Also, Stan Lee wanted to avoid confusion between the two characters, even though there is this comic book series literally called, and, this is the actual title, “New Super-Man.”..

@me-myself-i787 Жыл бұрын

8:29 I don't think Disney could claim copyright over a public domain character wearing a specific coloured shirt. Same way Holmes's author couldn't sue someone for a warm, caring version of Sherlock.

@RGC_animation Жыл бұрын

Well they SHOULDN'T, absolutely, but you know they're going to, they tried to sue a kindergarten for playing a Disney movie, they'll do anything to gain money.

@notmousse Жыл бұрын

Disney *can* sue. Disney might win. It *will* hurt. The process is the punishment.

@synderthmc Жыл бұрын

They sued a family wanting to use a spiderman gravestone for their kid because it would "ruin his image".

@papiezpp Жыл бұрын

They can, because is essential part of their version of specific character

@hybrid3006 Жыл бұрын

Innocent child, Disney is a powerful corporation, they would 100% do this

@thatonepossum5766 Жыл бұрын

12:51 Superman? Nah, this is my original character, Superiorman.

@jason4443 Жыл бұрын

Superior Man is a real version of Superman. Well, kinda.

@user-zz7hu2mo5h 4 ай бұрын

2:43 He is now part of the public domain

@thebananaspeedruns9275 4 ай бұрын

Welp Steamboat Mickey Mouse is joining the horror trend

@SpiffyChannel Жыл бұрын

This is way off topic, but I'd love to see a theory on Osmosis Jones, and what kind of real world virus that Thrax could be representing. I think the movie is kind of hinting at Thrax being scarlet fever, given that Frank's symptoms start with a sore throat, the other germs are calling him, "muerte rojo" or Red Death, and he seems to be humming Peggy Lee's "Fever" in one scene. The problem with that theory being that he's referred to as a virus, and scarlet fever is a bacteria. So what virus looks like the common cold, and attacks DNA like Thrax does in the movie? Help! The internet needs Dr. Matpat, M.D.

@MrSailing101 Жыл бұрын

Pretty sure they did more than imply, I learned about scarlet fever from that movie.

@taylahballto5205 11 ай бұрын

I’ve never seen the movie but based on the name alone I would have guessed anthrax, BUT that wouldn’t work because it’s a bacterial infection, and you said it was a virus. interesting I have to watch this movie

@allanime01 Жыл бұрын

I actually was wondering if you were going to tackle this Theory because I was looking into it myself when I was going back explaining to someone about how Disney constantly changed copyright law to protect their ownership of Mickey Mouse. Happy to see you address it!!!

@avamiiller5804 10 ай бұрын

Matpat: you yes you without your pants on Me on the toilet: how did he know HOW DID HE KNOW!?!?!?!?

@FoxisGaming_ 4 ай бұрын

We can now use Mickey for whatever we want...

@hamzahnurreez8420 4 ай бұрын

Yeah bud,but unfortunately matpat was right when they use steamboat willie to protect their Mickey mouse.

@sakurapablo671 Жыл бұрын

Reminded me of Phantom of the Opera, where everyone is writing their own Phantom story, but taking place after the story is said is done or changing part of the ending for our own amusement. Including a different version of Phantom of the Opera or beginning origin story.

@Sneaky_Sloth Жыл бұрын

Winnie the pooh getting a horror movie is wild

@MaybeMelon69 Жыл бұрын

Im friends with Craig who plays winnie the pooh 😂 he's not even an actor, he's an engineer and martial arts instructor

@TylerTMG Жыл бұрын

It made 4.1 million (it took 100k to make) so it's pretty good

@phoenx8435 Жыл бұрын

@@TylerTMG not a great film tho

@BlueDauntless Жыл бұрын

And that’s why it exists!!!! It’s like Sharknado. Totally stupid, but people still want to watch it

@TylerTMG Жыл бұрын

@@phoenx8435 but it did pay fo itself

@chickenpi8938 Жыл бұрын

Me and my friend went to see this, and it was… interesting to say the least. It was mostly just gore and brutal death scenes. The acting and plot was horrible, but the murder scenes were traumatizing-

@TheAeris07 Жыл бұрын

I was surprised the budget was so small. They did a good job with the gore. The beginning was the best part and would make a better movie. Seeing the characters becoming insane from starvation.

@SurprisinglyDeep 11 ай бұрын

You should do regular Copyright Theory videos, you seem really skilled at making them and they're very interesting.

@vashvalentine5674 Жыл бұрын

This explains so much how Brightburn became a “Superman” villain origin story and they still were able to make it without problems. It wasn’t the best movie but at least I know how they were able to make it. Thank you Film Theory! Learning a new thing every week!

@nenmaster5218 Жыл бұрын

Mattpat just casually criticizes it but if its solid criticism fused with fun, its way better. Try the Marvel-Parody 'Some More News' does and maybe after that his more-serious video about Media-Mergers and Disney.

@GZP1023 Жыл бұрын

Literally did not reference anything about superman in that movie. It was slightly similar and had nothing to do with public domain genius

@TheRezro Жыл бұрын

I have theory that James Gunn proposed Warner to make Ultraman movie (I mean, evil Superman from DC's Earth 2). They refused, so they make few changes and make it anyway. Then they hired him.

@Dino_Boy.01 Жыл бұрын

The movie intro in that creepy drawing form was so amazing. Made you feel bad for them and it kinda made me feel like it would have worked as a short film 🤷🏾‍♂️

@rahbeeuh Жыл бұрын

Definitely would've been better as a short film.

@cjgamer6356 Жыл бұрын

@@rahbeeuh Yes I agree

@TylerTMG Жыл бұрын

The thumbnail terrified me

@TylerTMG Жыл бұрын

I'm glad it wasn't nighttime

@ShapesWithoutColors 10 ай бұрын

Concepts can't be copyrighted, as you said. So superman's abilities aren't under copyright. He can fly as soon as soon as his name and likeness are freed up.

@dbzmaster1213 Жыл бұрын

Might not be bad for some properties where the people in charge clearly won't listen to fan feedback or desire. Fan-based versions of our favorite characters that do them more justice than the original could also be a thing.

@nobod2567 Жыл бұрын

2:48 South Park clip that I liked how you used

@coral8164 Жыл бұрын

I think Disney's biggest fear is losing 💰💰💰

@coral8164 Жыл бұрын

@Jack Wrath thank you for this, I couldn't breathe for 7 years until you gave me this video. You saved my life.

@Labyrinth6000 Жыл бұрын

And DeSantis is making sure that happens 🤣

@BlueDauntless Жыл бұрын

@@Labyrinth6000 Nope. Just changed the names. Disney is fine

@orangeslash1667 Жыл бұрын

@@BlueDauntless Fun Fact: the reason why Disney will not have a Tarzan remake is because Disney no longer owns the rights to Edgar Rice Burrough books series that the film is based on. It's now public domain.

@Rainamalsshorts 4 ай бұрын

Funny that we are now getting a mickey horror movie

@Owl_Delicious88 Ай бұрын

FilmThoery I don't ever see it! But I hope you see this one day! My teacher in Choir class is going through copyright laws. She used this video!!! Me and my friend were so happy and excited!!!! I love you guys and hope you keep going strong despite the haters!!! And thank you so much for the video!! Mat Pat have a wonderful retirement!!!

@kaylieghskorner9650 Жыл бұрын

I appreciate the companies bravery to make a horror movie all about Xi Jinpin-I mean Winnie the Pooh.

@davirpgamer1868 Жыл бұрын

-1000 social credit score

@notjebbutstillakerbal Жыл бұрын

@@davirpgamer1868 oh bother.

@loveja1234 Жыл бұрын

Like the NBA, I welcome the Chinese censors into my home and into our hearts. I too love money more than freedom and democracy. Xi doesn't look just like Winnie the Pooh at all. Long live the Great Communist Party of China! May this autumn's sorghum harvest be bountiful!

@kieravalerie3365 Жыл бұрын

If Sherlock Holmes is in the public domain, someone could legally publish johnlock fanfic

@bleedingheartcreative Жыл бұрын

Depends it would have to be based off the original Conan Doyle

@extrax48 7 ай бұрын

4:35 If only this video existed before the whole REACT copyright thing some years ago XD

@pugpower7899 7 ай бұрын

I could still see something. Steamboat Willie being useful specifically on KZfaq for those people that had to change the name like it never showed up on screen but like when they were telling the story like them just being able to say it without having to change or make a slight altercation would probably be incredibly useful

@etfo25 Жыл бұрын

9:35 Surprised MatPat didn’t mention Brightburn considering it’s basically a horror style retelling of a childhood Superman.

@Sparsh_chaudhari Жыл бұрын

I feel like they just made Winnie the pooh horror movie to troll Disney

@davidlance5310 Жыл бұрын

I feel like it was made to connect with people who wished their childhood had more adult undertones for it to keep liking them forever throughout their entire lives without any phases where they’d feel too old for it

@jacksonteller3973 Жыл бұрын

@@davidlance5310 or just people like me who still like Winnie the Pooh but are morbidly fascinated with the idea of a darker take on it, I remember me and my sister coming up with our own out-there ideas for Winnie the Pooh so i'm glad that film exists.

@w1ndgeneral226 Жыл бұрын

A friend of mine made a joke that this horror movie actually takes place in the Creepypasta multiverse and this evil Pooh is another byproduct of Zalgo. Joke obviously, but wouldn't that be cool?

@FICUSULXD189 Жыл бұрын

@@davidlance5310 Or hear me out, it was made for money. It was trash. And also some stuff should just be left alone! PERIOD!

@davidlance5310 Жыл бұрын

@@FICUSULXD189 yeah well Saw was released to a negative reception with its first film & it’s now one of the biggest franchises ever. Whilst this was less slasher more grind-house & kinda chucked out anything worth a resolve, hope the sequel still happens & Tigger gets a good design

@Hollowdude15 11 ай бұрын

Awesome theory and this is a nice video to watch today :]

@nogoodatpvp 4 ай бұрын

Mickey is in public domain! Edit: and Tigerr.

@jeffthomas9768 Жыл бұрын

I swear I heard matpat's voice change @11:20 . Is anyone else noticing this? For two theories now I heard a change. it's slight, but it's there. I don't think it's bad or anything like that, just something I noticed. So be aware if Mat talks more about AI voice scripts, I think he's already using them and testing the waters. I see you, Matt.

@Iknowveryclever Жыл бұрын

Ya, I noticed it two. You're not crazy 😅 But I just thought that many he had gotten sick when he was recording these scripts and it wasn't extreme enough to warrant someone else do them.

@Fiz1zy Жыл бұрын

The difference between voices sounds like his voice got more snuffled, I think he might have recorded two halves of the video at different times, and got sick somewhere between those two halves

@savanahlynntaylor1460 Жыл бұрын

I thought I was going crazy as I didn't see anyone else say anything until I found this comment. Glad it's not in my head

@AzariahWolf Жыл бұрын

I went over these copyright issues during my education training, and thankfully the general upshot for teachers is that educators have wide latitude to use copyrighted material with proper credit.

@nigeywigey2126 Жыл бұрын

Please do a vid on the Monument Mythos! #2

@DanielCuthbert-gq5of 24 күн бұрын

Mat pat predicted the steamboat willy hype.

@godlysocks Жыл бұрын

I hope MatPat covers the Welcome Home Puppet Show at some point, while it's got that "kids thing turned evil" aspect, it's been in production for years and it's quality, especially the use of REAL puppets, is incredible

@starsiadraws Жыл бұрын

Me, too! The art is incredibly high-quality and small independent artists deserve recognition. Welcome Home looks incredibly realistic and I can't wait to learn more about the world and lore behind it!

@godlysocks Жыл бұрын

@@starsiadraws SAME! I really hope Clown meets their Ko-Fi goal!

@latexu9589 Жыл бұрын

16:37 That animation is most likely NOT the original animation from Steamboat Willie, because it should be followed by Mickey pulling the strings for the boat whistles right after he has finished whistling. That was not included in the new logo, so it must've been new animation, but in the style of the original.🤔