Any chance "burn in" would help with the ringing? Because I had my personal bougbt A8000 for a while now and don't notice this ringing. Treble is pretty smooth for me. Though my sources are not considered cold/reference. EDIT: I noticed only in bad female pop songs where the song is simbilant on purpose is there any harshness. Ie Gwen Stefani, Love Angel Music Baby album.

I haven't found anything as good as the Hugo 2 to be honest. I'm waiting to find out how close the FiiO M15 comes though.

There's probably some variation between how people use these terms, but basically: - Bright = strong treble and/or less bass. - Dark = less treble and/or more bass. - Quick = How notes "snap", especially something like drum hits. - Imaging = How well you can make out the space the performers are playing in (assuming a good-quality recording where this can be heard). Can you make out individual instruments clearly or are they blurred into the rest of the music? - Dynamics = Do the headphones/IEMs present the big differences in sounds in the music clearly? Will a sudden drum hit stand out clearly or just be muted. - Resolution = How well can you here the subtleties, from the harmonics of guitar and piano notes, to the detail of the sound echoing off the walls/venue? - Transparent = A vague term suggesting how well the music comes through as it is without being distorted by the headphones/IEMs. - Detailed = Resolution - Soundstage = An aspect of imaging. How well does the "soundstage" where the performers are playing come through clearly? Do the headphones/IEMs present it as it is, or does it sound artificially wide, or too narrow? - Depth = An aspect of imaging and soundstage. Can you hear clearly how far away instruments are from the microphones and each other?

@@Currawong thank you for your explanations, I understand better now by your help

everything becomes clear to me now by your help, I can now better appreciate the audio qualities of each headset and make a good choice according to the appreciation of each style of music, thank you again

More likely it's the FR of your ears, or the music you listen to.

Hi! Fortunate to have both. The Final is way ahead of the EX1000. There’s something truly special about Beryllium. This performs almost exactly like the Utopia in IEM form.

Agree. Most of v shape audio with deep bass and extended treble will have big soundstage. On the other thing (guitar tone shaping), guitarist make the eq of the amp with more bass and treble , but turn down a lil bit on the mid , so the sound/tone will have like a "bigger soundstage" or space. Sorry for my bad English Btw, my cheap kz zs6 ( super v shaped tone, super high treble) far more soundstage than my ath r70x openback (the tone is kinda balance to warm with a lil bit recessed treble)

@@Xzvsc Your english is fine! I agree, there are definitely plenty of IEMs that will out-soundstage a lot of headphones. I love my old Sennheiser HD580s, but my ikko OH10s give a way wider presentation. It's all illusory, the brain is a weird thing!

Don't know. Maybe, unless someone else makes them, Final might sell them in the future like their tips?

@@Currawong they're actually on sale in a headphone shop in UK.... Thanks bud!

I couldn't, unfortunately. I had to send the Z1Rs back to the owner. They have quite different sound signatures though. The Z1R has more bass.

10.8 mm

With what music and what gear? It'd be helpful to know that.

@@Currawong mostly somes thrash and black metal tracks some queen of stone age tracks with m11 pro directly A/Bing with my favorite campfire Atlas .it took me like 10 minute before i 've got bored ,the bass was really off and stage was narrow , treb get too harsh easily may be it could be early product or prototype because it was 1 month when i listened to it or it could be not burnt yet .idk man.

@@phuocminh1621 I don't listen to black metal. I don't reckon IEMs like this are for that kind of music. I had a listen to a few Queens of the Stone Age tracks. "No One Knows" sounds quite wide, but some others, like "Goodbye Yellow Brick Road" sound narrow, because that is the way they are mastered.

@@phuocminh1621 I love listening black metal with atlas as well! New Immortal album and Mgla Vinyl rip is just surreal

@@FRATERAHA you sould check out inter arma new album sulphur english that album was beautiful.

Me too

No. IEMs are never "hard to drive".

Thanks a lot for the info

Albeshr it usually refers to a treble that has too much grain and sounds a bit etched. It’s like an over-sharpened picture.

I heard about those. I might have to check them out in the future if I can.

Currawong what makes Luna even more precious is that there is no stock nationally and perhaps internationally till at least March

Mr. X erm... they have no stock because their manufacturing is halted due to coronavirus. I do not see the point of making it more precious though :) I have tried the Luna before, people who like heavy bass might love it, in the other hand, for people who like clarity of every single detail might prefer A8000 I guess. Just my opinion though.

Only if you can't afford them. ;)

It depends on how much you value audio signature, i.e. buying a RTX 2080 Ti instead of a Radeon 5700, costs 1/4 less and loses 56% performance and no ray tracing. Similar but in audio perspective (no veil, great timbre & crispness- e.g. difference in hearing a glass cracking and hearing it shattering.)

@@zaghamkarim2432 agree.. my headphones and earphone collection is growing by the month and the more headphones I buy the more I realize price is no indication of my enjoyment with them. Blon 03 being an example of a cheap earphone that I enjoy far more than some expensive earphones.i wonder the costs of producing this earphone compared to selling price vs the graphics card you mention.. without any evidence to back my claim but I'm pretty sure you could find an earphone with a similar sound signature at a far far cheaper price.. this couldn't happen with a graphics card.. each to their own though. If you have the money go for it.. I do and I wouldn't

@@Currawong even if you can 😉

@@Tkarma77 yeah there are few cheap earphones that have decent tonal balances like bl03 or mh755 but people spending kilobucks for iems or headphones are not just seeking for those fine frequency responses but the resolution and micro detail retrieval things which simply aren't attainable in cheap price ranges you can't just disparage people that seek for different values which seem unimportant to you as being ridiculous also why watch reviews of those 'ridiculous' kilobuck iems if you are satisfied with your bl03 level earphones

I'd really like to try a pair of sub-$1000 IEMs that sound this good. Have you compared any directly to the A8000 that you can recommend?

I listened to these at Canjam NYC. Kyo-San asked me to take a peep after I reviewed the D8000 pro I got from Final Japan. And these A8000 were awesome.

oh you in real treats as how earphones' SQ has developing this past few years.

@@dadanardi5541 - The laws of physics have not changed. You cannot get blood from a turnip.

@@johnsmith1474 oh i didn't say we beat the law of physics, it's the designers that get smarter

@aa aa - Because it's physically impossible, same thing with cameras in specific aspects of performance. Light & sound are subject to physical law and physical law constrains design. That said various illusions of quality are sufficient for various purposes.

@@dadanardi5541 - Sure, and I am sure it's a great thing. You can't take speakers hiking for instance.