Final Fantasy Tactics: Reborn | Square Enix's $140 Million Loss Causes Internet Meltdown

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TitaniumLegman

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2 ай бұрын

Square Enix announced the cancelation of an unknown number of projects, and this sparked concern that FFT: Reborn and DQ3 Remake might have been included. I don't think we need to worry about that.
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@Tw0tson
@Tw0tson 2 ай бұрын
Never underestimate squeenix’s stupidity
@blacksheepwall79
@blacksheepwall79 2 ай бұрын
TL;DR. When you start losing money, you fall back on what you know.
@ZephyrK.
@ZephyrK. 2 ай бұрын
Anyone who believes this includes any console game from their flagship IP’s like Final Fantasy, Dragon Quest , Kingdom Hearts, Nier, Team Asano’s titles etc is kinda crazy. This is probably stuff like Forspoken, Harvestella etc.
@charlettmoon2693
@charlettmoon2693 2 ай бұрын
I remind my friends over and over that *Enix* is actually a *publishing* company. Dragon Quest is actually *not* owned by SquareEnix, but by Horii as a result. This is why, after SE merged together, mysteriously you started seeing tons of games that you'd never associate with Squaresoft. Fullmetal Alchemist was originally published not in Shounen Jump, like most would assume, but SquareEnix's manga publishing firm. This can easily show that a lot of these games they're dropping are stuff they tried to publish and give money to, and they just weren't giving the developers a tight enough leash. When performance reviews came in and it was just people making *bad* games, it'd make sense they'd pull the plugs on stuff they were trying to publish and realized they shouldn't be funding a sinking ship.
@TheRobversion1
@TheRobversion1 2 ай бұрын
Only thing i hope that isnt effected are HD-2D stuff, which are typically trpgs like triangle strategy, tactics ogre: reborn and the potential FFT reborn. Dont really compare about the other game franchises.
@Xenaximus
@Xenaximus 2 ай бұрын
Few companies mishandle their budgets quite as badly as SE. Add into that the number of recent projects that have just been complete disasters, and yeah, you're gonna see some massive losses. I'll hope you're right and they abandon any of these outside projects which, as has been the trend, nothing more than disasters for them. They need to focus on their core franchises. Ya know, the stuff fans actually want from them. That and probably put a tighter leash on the Square-Enix NA branch. Or clean house.
@relaxing6194
@relaxing6194 2 ай бұрын
I am more okay with a tighter leash. Cleaning house would be their last resort.
@thelegacyofgaming2928
@thelegacyofgaming2928 2 ай бұрын
Would be unfortunate if FFT doesn't get a remake. But at least we got Matsuno's Magnum Opus in TO:Reborn
@qcf1lol
@qcf1lol 2 ай бұрын
Really? In my opinion, FFT >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> TO.
@joeyjose727
@joeyjose727 2 ай бұрын
Harvestella was fantastic but clearly didn’t have enough resources invested into it, which is a shame because it had even more potential… even still though, great game! I was hoping for a sequel but lol guess that’s not in the cards
@PloysMaw
@PloysMaw 2 ай бұрын
Before watching this I watched another content creators take on it (TopicArlo), my thoughts are this: I'm in the camp of waiting and seeing what's going to happen. Babylon's Fall and Marvel's Avengers was a huge misstep and hopefully Square won't try and focus on trends that are problematic and instead put elements into making high quality products that fans will love. I feel like Octopath Traveler 2 wasn't advertised enough and the given how many games that they have been releasing over the last few years it almost seems like their games are cannibalising each other. I didn't pick up Harvestella or Diofield Chronicle the year they came out (which was the same mind) not because I didn't want them but other games including other Square games I wanted more. Also in 2022 two games in the Voice of Cards series dropped and soon another Saga game will come out and past Saga games have been ported to modern systems.
@beamstalk6475
@beamstalk6475 2 ай бұрын
I hope you are right, they really just need to can the entire NA department
@extra4542
@extra4542 12 күн бұрын
SQUARE, if triangle strategy did 1 million sales can you just imagine how much better final fantasy tactics would do when people have been demanding it for literal decades?? PLEASE
@ultracapitalistutopia3550
@ultracapitalistutopia3550 2 ай бұрын
The "abandonment loss" is about projects deemed unpresentable and halted midway of development. That massive special loss is mostly (probably >80%) contributed by the scraped Dragon Quest 12 alpha version, another candidate may include Final Fantasy Type-1 which was announced 9 years ago.
@TitaniumLegman
@TitaniumLegman 2 ай бұрын
Ah, interesting.
@Tstyles8
@Tstyles8 2 ай бұрын
Tactics ogre has been around since 1995. That’s a healthy amount of time
@TheThanatos007
@TheThanatos007 2 ай бұрын
You want more money, open up those games for xbox, more people who can have access to an item higher chance of sales.
@Guarde1520
@Guarde1520 2 ай бұрын
With the investment amount for the projects that were cancelled, it has to quite a few titles that are simply gone now. Too bad we can't confirm the games involved. Pretty sure some fan favorites are probably in there, sadly.
@borjankosarac3645
@borjankosarac3645 2 ай бұрын
I’m surprised that among everything else that SE did, you didn’t mention the financial *disasters* of “Forspoken” and “Babylon’s Fall”; the fact these were actually shit-quality money sinks, with the former probably intended to be a franchise and the latter another live service, means a lot… Not to mention the (former) president trying to go into the dying NFT market, along with other failures like “FFVII: The First Soldier” or that Chocobo game being so bad they were dead in less than a year. Suffice to say, even without issues like the PS5 being limited in availability or certain folks not resonating with their big FF projects- I’ve made no secret of my own personal lack of interest in FFXVI, and FFVII: Rebirth might have scared people for being the “second in a trilogy” (not unlike “Star Wars” trends) on top of Remake having a vocal minority who were incensed by particular narrative changes… Even without those, Square hasn’t exactly been managing its money well. It Although given how trends go and their *previous* brushes with financial disaster (the pre-FF 80s and then “Spirits Within” almost canning the Enix merger…), I’d have been shocked if such a big player hadn’t overreached again at some point.
@TitaniumLegman
@TitaniumLegman 2 ай бұрын
I mainly didn't mention them since they didn't seem to be the focus of this report, but they're ABSOLUTELY part of the bigger picture, no doubt about that.
@eW91dHViZSBpcyBjZW5zb3JzaGlw
@eW91dHViZSBpcyBjZW5zb3JzaGlw 2 ай бұрын
I bet the 2D HD Final Fantaay game they canceled was tactics R. Can't be anything else. Also they lost money because of the idiotic loyalty to the Sony brand which is extremely weak in Japan now. They refuse to go multiparty for some dumb reason. They got what they deserved. Follow ATLUS' lead and they'll succeed.
@adult11252
@adult11252 2 ай бұрын
I think FFT whatever Reborn or New Sequel still have a chance to be happening. Mobile Game has already existed, and Yoshi-P mentioned it should be nice to have it. The rest is... which team will do it?
@relaxing6194
@relaxing6194 2 ай бұрын
Placing money mixture of veterans and new and motivated developers. Yoshi P and Matsuno will have their hands tied but will assist in the development if possible.
@mr.h5564
@mr.h5564 2 ай бұрын
Great coverage on your videos. The Square Enix video convinced me to sub...I feel well informed. Thank you
@brandongately6475
@brandongately6475 2 ай бұрын
I enjoyed Diofield Chronicle myself!
@SpiredRapidity
@SpiredRapidity 2 ай бұрын
Hidden gem. Really wish they could get a sequel with a bigger budget.
@FLIK510
@FLIK510 2 ай бұрын
It had it's flaws but they were on to something with it and I liked the Demo. It would have done better had it not come out so close to so many other great ones releasing in the same time frame.
@mountainmgtow5421
@mountainmgtow5421 2 ай бұрын
Me too. Love the board game!
@Brandonfriggenstaleylol
@Brandonfriggenstaleylol 2 ай бұрын
They dumping them NFTs and mobile gacha games as well as mid tier games
@FLIK510
@FLIK510 2 ай бұрын
I'll be so happy when FFT remake is finally available just so it will shut up the crowd who won't stop endlessly bitching that it needs a remake. This, Chrono Trigger and the "where's the Switch 2 already" crowd are the holy trinity of "shut up about this already". They'll happen when they happen.....
@vagrant2863
@vagrant2863 2 ай бұрын
I’m not sure Octopath 2 did that well financially but I’ll need to double check that
@TitaniumLegman
@TitaniumLegman 2 ай бұрын
From my research, it moved 3 million units. Don't know what squeenix's goals for it were but that's damn good.
@vagrant2863
@vagrant2863 2 ай бұрын
Looking into more, I think it’s more an issue with lower sales over a similar period of time. Octopath 2 didn’t take off like the first game did (likely because of its release date). Octopath as a franchise though is probably fine.
@FLIK510
@FLIK510 2 ай бұрын
@@vagrant2863 Subbing to Square's youtube page and like every other day is some new Octopath character they're hawking for the mobile version or the sequel.
@6gredlite907
@6gredlite907 2 ай бұрын
Square enix needs to go back to the drawing board and focus on what works.
@sephirothchild
@sephirothchild 2 ай бұрын
Do we know anything new yet? Seems like the leaks and rumors have slowed to a crawl. I was really holding out for the Remaster/Remake too. I didn't even start playing Triangle Stratagy and Tactics Ogre because, I didn't want to spoil my dessert, Final Fantasy Tactics.
@TitaniumLegman
@TitaniumLegman 2 ай бұрын
Nothing really since the last batch of cheeky comments from Matsuno.
@So-4007
@So-4007 2 ай бұрын
I'm also not terribly worried about established "Million-Sales" franchises being cancelled. The AA one-offs are an unfortunate loss though.
@vagrant2863
@vagrant2863 2 ай бұрын
Square probably would’ve had better returns if they didn’t go out of their way to hamstring their own releases. Of the smaller games, a decent number were of middling quality at best. And locking FF16 to Ps5 was a mistake.
@kosmos4845
@kosmos4845 2 ай бұрын
Trying to change the flagship final fantasy franchise was a blunder alongside all these new projects that didn’t work. Being blindly loyal to Sony obviously isn’t working anymore maybe they need to follow the example currently being set by Atlus. Personally I haven’t played anything named ff since ff13, square has had serious issues with creativity since then. Maybe they need to go back to what put money in the bank instead of trying to trend and create the next big thing. Funny they know old re-releases can make money but can’t seem to figure out that doing more of the same with modern titles would work.
@charlescoe226
@charlescoe226 2 ай бұрын
Well that sucks hope it doesn't affect fft
@CatsHaveEars
@CatsHaveEars 2 ай бұрын
0:40
@Aelfwine78
@Aelfwine78 2 ай бұрын
Honestly, I'm worried about losing out on a third Dragon Quest Builders game.
@pacer2310
@pacer2310 2 ай бұрын
Final Fantasy Tactics is my favorite game of all time. Could use a nice remaster.
@_ampersand
@_ampersand 2 ай бұрын
It got a fantastic one in 2006. I'm just not convinced that resources towards a remake are better than them going towards a new game
@pacer2310
@pacer2310 2 ай бұрын
@@_ampersand Wasn't that fantastic. The animation slow down was so bad that I couldn't get through the game.
@mooglemage6456
@mooglemage6456 2 ай бұрын
I'm not worried about FFT Reborn, I'm sure it will come out soon. What I AM concerned about though is the future of Bravely Default. Since Final Fantasy has turned into action games, it's the only turn based RPG series by Square Enix that I'm still interested in playing.
@gotaplanstan
@gotaplanstan 2 ай бұрын
OT is rolling over in its grave 🙄
@mooglemage6456
@mooglemage6456 2 ай бұрын
@@gotaplanstan OT?
@NOLANRYANHOSKINS
@NOLANRYANHOSKINS 23 сағат бұрын
I will literally buy a nintendo switch and the game if FFT: Reborn becomes a real thing
@rus.t
@rus.t 2 ай бұрын
FF: Tactics is a title they couldn’t just cancel on a whim… but, you’re right, they haven’t officially announced it.
@user-qj2pt7gf7f
@user-qj2pt7gf7f 2 ай бұрын
Ther just isnt a enough of us to get what the general population gets 10x fortnite diablo cash trash gimmick
@dlima5007
@dlima5007 Ай бұрын
If they remaster the FFT with the same sound quality as the psp it will be shit, have you ever paid attention when you kill an enemy, the annoying noise it makes? The best made version with incredible sound quality is the PSX one, And if they do the same thing as Legend of Mana, it's going to look like crap, all pixelated... I hope that if that's really true, they bring a smooth, smooth and well-made game!
@TropicalBeaner
@TropicalBeaner 2 ай бұрын
If they would just make a final fantasy tactics 2 with cameo characters from the ff franchise, I couldn’t give them my money fast enough. Who is in charge over there lol
@FLIK510
@FLIK510 2 ай бұрын
there are already 2 FFT Sequels
@TitaniumLegman
@TitaniumLegman 2 ай бұрын
They're not sequels, rather they're successor games. There's no connection to the original story wise, and the majority of their spritework is actually taking from tactics ogre. While I love FFTA and A2, they are definitely a different spirit of game than the original FFT.
@Hailstormful
@Hailstormful 2 ай бұрын
Low key, instead of a FFT remake, I would love to have a FFT Advance 3, maybe set in FF14'S Eorzea instead of 12... one can dream...
@mountainmgtow5421
@mountainmgtow5421 2 ай бұрын
Advance sucks. Go back to your Gameboy.
@lildragon0
@lildragon0 2 ай бұрын
They should cancel anything pushed by ESG and stick to the values that guided their games from the 90s.
@narkona1084
@narkona1084 2 ай бұрын
I agree that FFT Remaster/Remake is safe. I just hope that they keep it a small-ish project. Hoping for just a remaster with maybe some bonus content. I'd hate to see it get Nomura'd like FF7 or turned into trash like FF16 somehow.
@TitaniumLegman
@TitaniumLegman 2 ай бұрын
I agree with the first part of your comment. However, FF7R and FF16 are incredible projects. It's not what I want for FFT, but they're fucking awesome games all the same.
@narkona1084
@narkona1084 2 ай бұрын
@@TitaniumLegman Well, I'll admit I was being a bit hyperbolic there, but I really struggled to like them, especially FF16. 7R Part1 was just bloated all to hell and had the silliest ending I've seen in a while; it had me wondering why anything else was ever a threat (guards, etc) when apparently the party can already just kill god. But I've heard Rebirth has a lot of improvements and I'm cautiously looking forward to playing it. FF16 was way worse though. Its basic structure is nearly identicle to FF14: Progress the MSQ. Unlock sidequests. Sidequests are copy/paste "run here click shiny/kill dude" which offered no interesting rewards. When you progress MSQ enough you get a new "dungeon" which are all basically straight lines where you fight 3 bosses. Early villains are fine, but main villain is a snooze that hits you with a huge info dump at the end. Combat is super basic compared to something like DMC, which would be fine, but FF16 is 3x longer than DMC and by the end I was really forcing myself to continue. Cid was cool though, and the set-pieces were nice to look at. Its all just my opinion though. A lot of people like both of these games and I honestly wish I was one of them.
@metaKnightSpamer777
@metaKnightSpamer777 2 ай бұрын
BluH...
@TitaniumLegman
@TitaniumLegman 2 ай бұрын
What's up?
@metaKnightSpamer777
@metaKnightSpamer777 2 ай бұрын
@@TitaniumLegman oh, just BluHing at the whole situation with -140 mill in games lost;
@NicoBlackXIV
@NicoBlackXIV 2 ай бұрын
I don't know who's in charge at Square but they're morons. They keep on blundering in the most obvious ways. Anyone with an ear on the ground is predicting their failures and successes with dead on accuracy. They seem to always learn the wrong lesson and it's so frustrating for us gamers since we may disagree on our favourite FF but we all basically want the same things from them we've wanted for the past 25 years. Diofield Chronicles is a good game but of course if it gets a scuffed development and no marketing it's going to fail. Unicorn Overlord is proof of that since the gameplay core is the same it was just developed with much more love, resources and respect for the audience. The thing that annoys me the most is that they try to appease at oldschool jrpg and trpg fans but, in their new games, they clearly save too much on production values AND they remove all the depth from the systems and the stories as if we're brain damaged. Like, who needed an FFT clone with no jobs and missable content?
@TitaniumLegman
@TitaniumLegman 2 ай бұрын
I agree with you on everything other than TriStrat since I think it's a phenomenal game.
@NicoBlackXIV
@NicoBlackXIV 2 ай бұрын
@@TitaniumLegman yeah, don't get me wrong. It is a great game. It's just a bit of a disappointment when you've been waiting for a worthy fft successor for 20 years.
@chriskoloski32
@chriskoloski32 2 ай бұрын
16 and the ff7 remakes were great games. But i think limiting them as a playstation exclusive for their first year did hinder sales
@gotaplanstan
@gotaplanstan 2 ай бұрын
I bet making them action combat lost them more money than that did though
@aaronpitts6749
@aaronpitts6749 2 ай бұрын
That can be debatable. I suppose for comparison sake, we will have to wait for Elder Scrolls 6 for a real idea. Starfield has been considered a financial succes (love it or hate it).
@onion_____
@onion_____ 2 ай бұрын
damn they lost that much money? RIP final fantasy tactics remastered
@rabbyd542
@rabbyd542 2 ай бұрын
They blew it with these Sony deals.
@kieragard
@kieragard 2 ай бұрын
Definitely not the real problem here. Stop making stuff up.
@Tw0tson
@Tw0tson 2 ай бұрын
Everyone’s favorite cope, nah it’s that the last 5 mainline FF games sucked and it’s taken its toll on their sales
@Astartes7670
@Astartes7670 2 ай бұрын
Nah it's not bcs the game sucked but ps5 availability and sony exclusive make the number goes bad. I enjoy ff7 remake, rebirth, ffxvi. Nothing wrong with the game really @@Tw0tson
@beamstalk6475
@beamstalk6475 2 ай бұрын
It is publishing crap like Forspoken that is the real issue
@Tw0tson
@Tw0tson 2 ай бұрын
@@Astartes7670 then why did ff16 sell more than rebirth despite there being less ps5s in mid-2023?
@aaronpitts6749
@aaronpitts6749 2 ай бұрын
Loser games like Forspoken, Babylon Fall, Stranger of Paradise and Marvel Avengers had huge budgets
@TitaniumLegman
@TitaniumLegman 2 ай бұрын
I've heard a lot of positivity about Stranger of Paradise, but the others big agree.
@catinapan4956
@catinapan4956 2 ай бұрын
This is why you don't pander to woke people who don't play game. FF16 would have blow up if they focus on making a game rather than whatever that was. FF7 remake also woke AF making the OG fan mad. Like dude FF is they main product but sure focus on pandering and have the it ban in few countries and M rated where kids can't play.
@mountainmgtow5421
@mountainmgtow5421 2 ай бұрын
If they only would stop making woke games like Forwoken..
@_ampersand
@_ampersand 2 ай бұрын
GOOD. Stop remaking it. It's a FANTASTIC game. Make new games.
@TitaniumLegman
@TitaniumLegman 2 ай бұрын
I think you missed the point of the video.
@_ampersand
@_ampersand 2 ай бұрын
@@TitaniumLegman I haven't watched it, yet. I put it into watch later for now. My comment is still what I like to ponder to other FFT fans
@JohnnyPaco81
@JohnnyPaco81 2 ай бұрын
Final fantasy tactics advanced > everything else
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