Yep. A GOATed action game too

lol no

Yeah…I don’t agree with your take. concepts of predestination, existentialism, and environmentalism were present since beginning to end, the Blight, Clive’s insecurity, and the concept of bearers was present from beginning to end.

I agree with you man, this story has so much going on, and very little actually holds together well. Plus, the themes it goes for aren't well connected. Also, Clives arc ending in the first act was simply dumb and I'm yet to be convinced otherwise. There's good characters, but none of them are built in the main plot. Also, the world is kind of lame, a world that relies heavily on magic for everything sounds cool, but they're also medieval, so that reliance is still quite low. With Cids tech, they could probably readjust within 10 years, maybe 20.

They all tie in together, it's about human resilience in a world full of human sin. Humans attack and kill each other, hurt each other, abuse one another, and suck the life out of the earth. Despite that, Clive and friends want to fight for this world that's full of evil because there is a lot of good in the world that is worth fighting for. The fact that there's GOT style betrayal, FF7 style ecoterrorism tie into the final point of fighting a god. It's not just any god, it's the god that created humans. Última created humans and left them to their devices. You know the quote about how God stays in heaven because he fears what he created? Ultima didn't fear humans, he looked down on them and why wouldn't he? Look at what humans do to each other and their world. You should take some time to reevaluate the story. You say it is disjointed and seems like it has different writers. Look at the story again through the lens of human relience and perseverance. Clive and Jill started the game wanting to die in the battlefield, and it ends with Clive and friends fighting for the lives and wills of humans, the same humans that hurt each other and hurt the world, because they find out that they do want to fight for their loved ones.

@REDEEMERWOLF excellent reply. Personally, I don't see any proper link between themes of practical problems like slavery and environmental destruction and abstract problems such as ones place in the world compared to their creator. Also, the idea of saving the world that hates them could've been very satisfying if it were more deeply involved in the plot. To expand, every mention of slavery after the time jump is typically in one of those forced side quests that don't move the plot forward at all. If you find the themes satisfying, then I partially envy you, and I hope you can enjoy many more replays of FF16 in the future. For a game getting such praise, I expected better from its narrative themes and characters.

@@matthewapril3119 if I can offer my perspective on that, FF16 begins with themes like slavery, betrayal, war and murder. We see a lot in the first few hours of FF16. When Clive sees Jill again I can imagine that he thinks on how downhill his life has gotten because his memories of Jill are those of happy times, and now they're both in the same battlefield. That's why when the iron kingdom surround him and Jill he just gives up. Jill also is the same, she says "let this be the end" then when she is defeated she says "at last". Clive and Jill both want to die. That's sad man. Throughout the story we witness more atrocities such as Anabella purging bearers just because she hates them like they're nothing, anabella executing those that sympathize with them, the iron kingdom slaughtering and defiling women for holy rituals, the treatment of bearers especially in the empire of sanbreque where bearers are considered playthings for the amusement of humans, as well as the mechanations of the government's of the different lands and regions like when Sanbreque invaded and took over the crystalline dominion and he wanted to continue taking over more land for greed and Anabella's greed. Sorry I'm just pointing out a lot of heinous shit from FF16 lmao, but with all that nasty stuff you would think Clive would just give up and say fuck it última just kill us all. But Clive's story begins when he is at his lowest, finds a second chance with Cid, learns to accept his mistakes from the past and embrace who he is now and what he will fight for with Jill. That's just the start, he reunites with joshua, finds a lifelong friend in Gav, and makes connections throughout the realm of Valisthea. The Clive at the beginning of the game is different from the Clive at the end of the game who despite being witness to the bad stuff in the game, chooses to fight for the same humans that enslave and kill each other, because there is still good in humans that can win out. The faith in Clive and the lack of faith within Ultima is a strong thing when you think about it. He did get new Eikon powers, but his experiences with each of them isn't necessarily good. Example, Clive hates Kupka's guts but he still embraces his Titan Eikon because he learns to embrace the bad with the good because they make him who he is. My point is that the game starts with grounded themes like slavery and environment destruction so that we can first discuss the morality of human intervention, then we can move onto a grander discussion about the morality of human existence. FF16 takes the stance that life can be cruel and deal you a shit hand sometimes, and that humans can be shitty to each other and the world around them, but the life you have will always be a life that's worth living and fighting for, even in a world that can be cruel it can also be beautiful Btw I didn't immediately like FF16, it's just that the more I thought about it and rewatch ed the scenes the more I realized that everything does tie in together. The more I think about the story the more I appreciate it

Its not my top, but definetly not bottom 3. and i played every single one include 11 and 14.

@KoNekoNoUta 11 is my top. Bottom 3 is ff15,ff16, mystic quest. Problem with these newer ff games is that they are becoming less and less like rpgs and more of single player action games where you just spam a few buttons

@@Sassarai916 There is much more button spamming in beloved entries like FFVI and FFVII, if you ask me.

Only once the mobs becomes trash. Everything in these action ff games is mindless. It caters to the casual crowd that just wants pretty graphics, simple game play, and story.

@@Sassarai916 Nah, FFVI was pretty mindless too. There are just a few mainline FF games where random encounters are actually engaging, and honestly FFXVI is indeed among them. Combo potential and build variety coupled with smooth VFX and great sound design make playing better than average feel rewarding, even when it's unnecessary.