More like : Joker : Human Morgana isn't real, it can't hurt me Maruki : Allow me to introduce myself

Crow slogan uncovering the truth. This time when he us the black mask....is deciding the truth....that means is no longer chained to the protocols and his dark past....this time he Will Build his own future. Loki in Thor Ragnarok received his redemption. Akechi persona is Loki...maybe commited crines but that not means he can't do anithing...he Made the Decition of helping Ren and Kasumi.

Rodrigo Cantariño dang that’s deep

Sarah Costello I thought I heard Josuke

I knew he sounded familiar but I didn't think he had the same VA as Ferdinand of all people

I knew i heard timeskip ferdinands

He sounds so noble

I am Ferdinand Von Aegir.

lol 😂

omg that happened on my first battle as well it was halirious

Honestly I wish there was a navi switch option between morgana, futaba , makoto and akechi also yes I would also pick akechi cuz his voice lines are a breath for fresh air compared to most

You mean to tell me it’s only temporary 😔 I just experienced this first part of the palace today and I absolutely love akechis true brutal self

@@ruledbyvenus2041 "Joker's more brainwashed than a cult member!" lol

It's a sad little weakling, let's put it out of it's misery.

@@fierytigergaming8112 Joker's angry! I kinda like it... but It's not him!

I think its less of a morality, at least in this case, but his ideal that he doesn't want anyone else decided his life for him anymore, even if taking his life into his own hands means his certain death.

David Sun yeah but there are instances where he does good stuff without bad intentions. Like he saves Kasumi when she rushes into battle and it’s not like he really needed her since she was weak but he still saved her. He also could’ve really just shot himself in real life to prevent that but his first idea was to help joker

In a way, Joker and Akechi isn’t quite the hero’s here as they are opposing Maruki’s plans to save the world

Your Everyday Protagonist right, saving the world by putting people in a illusion like world filled with what they want with the cost of living under someone’s rule, and the real reality practically being wiped out of existence by the same guy who’s trying to ‘save’ the world

Your Everyday Protagonist they’re trying to free the world. What Maruki did here is oppression of free will.

Goes a bit further back to Persona 1 as well with the alternate Mikage-cho

69 likes nice

Looks more like Persona 3 or even Persona 5 Scramble than P4.

Is this a JoJo Part 6 reference?

Wasn't that exactly what yaldaboth wanted too

His true self is easily my favorite character in this game, it’s hilarious

He does actually sound different as a human in spoken dialogue

"what the fu-"

g a y

That's basically his distorded desire : He wishes for a perfect world because he can't withstand reality, but he expects everyone to feel the same. He doesn't understand that people CAN live with trauma and suffering and heal from it, because he personally can't. I think, his desires became distorded because he was too personnal about it

I mean, Akechi intended on killing a bunch of minor, so

akechi kins anakin skywalker confirmed

anakin worn black though

@ERA CASTE r/woooosh

@@tpuddin hes just saying red and black = evil how is that a woooosh

Right in front of Catherine in this case

*sothis watching in background*

I cant believe i didnt hear it until i saw this comment

3…2….1 GOOOOO

HOLY SHIT I DIDNT EVEN REALIZE

His third persona, Hereward, kinda looks like batman too

His attitude strikes me a tad more as Red Hood, but I see what you mean. It's actually fitting as he's essentially decided to be a dark hero instead of a "super hero" a al his Robin Hood outfit which was based on Superman.

Joker: Shares name with DC Joker Wields a knife and a gun “We live in a society” Real name is debated across different media Criminal Akechi: Famous Hides behind a facade Named after a black animal with wings Similar costume to batman Justice through vengeance relating to/involving a dead parent (parents in Batman’s case) And their showtime is in a Gotham like setting

@@ryzeclan5383 Yup, a chill Joker and a Psycho Batman in Persona 5!

Coincidence? *I THINK NOT!*

The interesting part is that I doubt that this is what Maruki originally intended. You just taught him about Mementos and the other people taught him exactly what to do.

------------------- SPOILERS BELOW -------------------- I mean, that's why his Persona is Azathoth, the *Blind Idiot God*. He dreams of a perfect world, while being blind to reality and expect everyone to feel that way.

Oelesp That actually makes perfect sense. Because my thoughts about Maruki could probably be summed up as me thinking that he was very kind and cared for people I just always felt that he was.. well, blind.

@@Person-fq9uz Also, it's interresting that Atlus went with Lovecraftian mythos for this Palace, because it's essentially a fictionnal mythos, a mythology that isn't real, just like the reality he creates. Altho, (spoilers for those who care about them) Since his evolved Persona is from Gnosticism, it might represent that he takes a more realistic approach to his ideal. In any case, both of his Personas have really good symbolism behind them and they are a perfect fit for Maruki. Makes me wonder about if Atlus think of the characters then their Personas, or they choose the Personas and create the characters after them

@@Person-fq9uz Yes and I have something more to say. ---- Remember that the persona's actual form is Adam Kadmon. If you don't know what it is, It's not the biblical Adam. That's actually a manifestation of the "Perfect man" and represents the center of the Sefirot (Da'at), and Da'at is also the name of the new Mementos zone. (All other Mementos areas before this point uses the Qliphoth) It's also a representation of enlightenment and wisdom, which is actually the reverse of both Demiurge (Yaldabaoth or the one from Scramble/Strange Journey) and Azathoth, in which both of these represent foolishness. The treasure of his Palace is also a torch, so yeah, you can say he's "gone blind."

Yeah…

This is a mood. Why is this a mood?

Maruki wasn't a villain, he just had different ideals from the Phantom Thieves. Also I usually don't cry from video games but when I beat Maruki and then saw him in the final cutscene in the game saying "When you ever get down in life...you can start over like me." I pretty much teared up because his character and confidant had a massive impact on the story for me.

Oh you'll live danganronpa

Have you heard his japanese voice? For me it's much sexier xD

Robbie does a pretty good job voicing characters like this If you're interesed in other jobs of his, he also voices Hubert in Fire Emblem Three Houses and Kayn in League of Legends

@@STAAAAAAAAAAAARRRS um 🗿🗿

bitch soudns like nagito komaeda 💀💀

I don't like Akechi but even I must admit that.

ZA WARUDO

TOKI WO TOMARE!

Wow, Part 9’s looking pretty crazy

I dont think he would be jesus, i think he would be the antichrist as he manipulates everyone to believing him on what is right and wrong

He don't want to do it either but he had no other options.

Why didn't I think of that?! They're not very different!

You should see what Joker’s Palace would look at Leblanc There’s already a fan made music theme for the concept of it on KZfaq Just typed P5 Joker’s Palace.

He really isn't. His ideology is VERY flawed. Advocating for a reality where EVERYONE gets whatever they want just because he wants to "save" them is like saying pedoshita should sexually abuse as many young girls as he wants, because obviously that is "saving" him... I mean, that was what spawned the cognitive palaces of EVERY villain in p5/r in the first place... Maruki's ideal reality would not "save" anyone. Creating a reality such as his where everyone can abuse such power to however they want and have no control in the matter is like living a reality worse than hell. It doesn't make sense and is very counterproductive to what maruki thinks is best for everyone despite his intentions being pure. And let's not forget that maruki's ideal reality was nothing short of fake. He brainwashed the entire phantom thieves in accepting a fake reality that they never asked for and are forced to live it against their will. This is even proven during the end credits where every phantom thief gets what they want. Like how Inari's ideal reality is literally him accepting the very man who let his mother die instead of wishing for his mom to be alive like the rest of the phantom thieves' parents. Another would be "Kasumi" literally replacing her twin dead sister's existence despite the fact her dead twin sister had taken care of her without any hint of burden and literally sacrificed herself to SAVE her. Haru who wished her father to be alive despite him seeing haru as nothing more than a political tool over the years of her life instead of seeing her as daughter. Joker, who is forced to accept sojiro's offer as his adopted father despite him already having a father (as if that's a bad thing, but that's the besides the point). The point is, by accepting maruki's reality, you are literally stuck with choices beyond your control because of your very own desires. And that was what happened in p5r's ideal ending. I would go as far as to say that by accepting maruki's fake reality, every phantom thief wouldn't have a purpose anymore. Because there's no hardship to be had for purpose to be born if you can simply wish for whatever you want. And by doing so, the phantom thieves would've never met each other because of this very reason. It was because of the hardship that the phantom thieves had purpose, and it was because of that purpose that they were able to meet one another and form the phantom thieves in the first place. P5R's narrative was such a MASSIVE disappointment that it went completely downhill the moment maruki could rewrite reality to however he desired. Lol, like... All his ranting about wanting to "save" everyone stemming from his dead gf was nothing short of blindsided stupidity. Considering he held the answer and power to his very OWN problem that could've prevented the poorly written narrative of p5r in the first place... And for people who don't know what I mean, I meant how maruki could've simply used his reality warping persona's power to undo his gf's death as if it never happened. And why couldn't he? He was able to bring back inkling's dead mom. Haru-who's dead dad. Momkoto's dead dad. Pankechi's dead arse. There was literally NO reason for him to become an altruistic messiah when he could've solved his own problems from the very beginning... And if that wasn't bad enough, the boss fight leading up to maruki was so underwhelmingly BORING that it ended with a scripted cutscene victory... And ironically, a gunshot to the head no less... Now, doesn't that look familiar somewhere. Oh, right! Jaldaboath's defeat was literally the SAME THING...!

@@Evil_Beauty so many words yet you somehow messed up everything about Marukis ideology. Marukis shadows in his palace states that happiness derived from the suffering of others is in itself its own unhappiness, he would not grant any desires that result in the suffering of other beings. Instead he’d probably just change the core causes or factors that ended in such desires, for example they would simply remove the pedos attraction to children, it is a mental illness after all. Maruki doesn’t grant wishes that result in others suffering but he can still find workarounds that cause the person who wishes suffering upon others to still be happy. He would simply remove the pedos attraction. For example, outside of your example, should 2 people want each other dead, and would stop at nothing to kill each other, Maruki would remove the core causes of their hatred, for example by removing a past wrong committed. Next off, you would still have free will, what is free will? It is the ability to make the choices that you desire, the fact that some others may try to stop you is a inherent part of living with other people. And as per Maruki being himself, he will only try to stop you if you try to hurt others, it’s no different from law enforcement except law enforcement isn’t always perfect and often is corrupt while Maruki is literally preventing suffering to it’s greatest extent. Maruki isn’t creating a world where everyone can abuse everyone, that’s called the real world, Marukis creating a world where peoples wishes will come true and they will gain happiness should they desire it, as long as such wishes do not require others sufferance. Also, Marukis reality isn’t “fake”. This isn’t pretending your problems don’t exist, this is literally removing the problems at hand, dead relative? They alive now. Cancer? It’s gone, or never occurred. Poverty, any poverty? Gone. His power isn’t the stuff he used with sumire where he just made her think that her problems didn’t exist, that was when his power was limited, now he could literally just bring Sumires sister back and make the accident never have happened. Also the people he revives are real, Akechi is one of the revived and he still maintains a persona meaning he’s definitely a real person, not some construct. Next off, you still don’t understand how his powers work and what he does with said powers. Maruki only grants desires that people WISH for, provided they do not involve suffering in which case he will shape events in the manner that such desires never formed and the individual can be happy without others suffering, which is still granting what they want but indirectly. Going back to that 2 people example, Maruki doesn’t grant the wish of having the other dead but instead changes the trade guy that created such a spiteful idea, which still makes the person happy. Maruki only grants stuff in accordance to peoples desires, direct or indirect, hes not taking peoples lives into his own hands deciding what will make them happy, he’s listening to what makes them happy and granting it. He could 100% revive sumires sister but since she actively wished for something different, Maruki goes with what she wished for, otherwise he’d literally be deciding what makes others happy and he could very well be wrong or flawed in his decisions. Maruki is only granting what the people want, not what he thinks Is best for them, in direct contrast the phantom thieves who impose their desires on others. Also altering reality to where his gf never underwent a tragedy would’ve also gone against the previously stated only grant what people want and not what you think is best idea. Also this issue only applies to problems that he solved with his limited cognitive abilities, which are very few and don’t accurately reflect his solutions, if he had the power from the start or encountered some other people in this situation, he’d just undo the tragedy, in this scenario undoing his original memory wipe fix would involve his gf in his life again which impacts the whole wish granting thing as hes now involved in someone’s life, which he doesn’t want as to devote himself to helping others. His gfs case is very specific and doesn’t accurately reflect how he’d solve such a problem for anyone else, it’s a specific special case that has its own reasons for why it is as it is. Much of your hate comes from not understanding the plot, in fact I doubt you actually listened to Maruki explain what he’s even doing. Not only that, have you considered trying thinking about basic morality? He had the power to help others and instead of only using it to fix his own problems, he tried to help others, the fact someone would think that to be a bad thing implies a serious lack of morality on their part. I hope you understand the story and Maruki better and that with this, persona royal becomes much better as a story.

@@Rick-lq3xo Tl;dr. It's funnily ironic that Maruki can grant ANY desire to those that are suffering all but his own. His crusade in donning the ridiculous notion that he is some sort of "messiah" was nothing short but laughable and overrated. Considering the fact he literally possessed the very power that can undo his dead gf that led to his very OWN suffering without the need to play this pathetic charade of a fool playing god, which stemmed him having cognitive dissonance in his beliefs. The fact he even brainwashed the PTs by forcibly having them romanticized their inner most "desires" already speaks about the true nature of his character. Which btw, makes literally EVERYTHING you say in defense of his character being moot.

@@Evil_Beauty you didn’t read the reply.

But not everyone is strong enough to recover. There are some events you can't recover or grow from under your own strength or anyone's. Those would be helped the most by Maruki's reality.

@@coroanmon10023 that’s probably cause of his ex.. because he couldn’t do anything but watch that traumatic event happen to her which cause her to never really... get over it, this was the alternative.. not only “helping” her but people that are like her. ..... honestly... I have no words for this..

It’s like that pretty good scene in the often lambasted Star Trek V: The Final Frontier where Kirk says he needs his pain and can’t do without it.

@@rayvenkman2087 Nice hearing another Trekkie on here 👍

Tora or like Futaba because they’re both aware they have palaces

@@aegis5678 shido was also aware of too

@@genesisspace5331 Well yeah, but he was a straight up villain, so he doesn't count lmao

@@JasonToddsThighs but the guy was listing the people who are aware of there own palaces

Yaisa Seaton it’s about cognition, so both They will live in separated worlds where one Joker is dead and another were he is alive

I think Maruki would be confused

I think Maruki would just downright dissipate the Akechi, no? I mean he is the desired cognition of Joker.

@@peynnep6483 bit there's no other reality. Maruki's goal was to connect both realities and create one.

He will make it so Goro thinks Joker is dead by faking it for him and keeping Joker away from him because he can bend reality itself so he can do anything he wants maybe make Goro win the loterry so he goes to live abroad and before going he learns Joker died which is fake then lives happily ever after with Shido and his mom

I stubbed my toe now I want to die

Yupp lol it takes place in gotham

I just finished P5R and that is exactly what it reminds me of. Joker I like Batman and Akechi is like Joker (DC) when he tried to be a hero.

the only inconvenience of that supposed perfect world....its Sumire being erased from the existence for grant Kasumi her existence(it be would be more easier if both sisters are alive)

Why would you hate that? It lets you really think and challenge yourself and your beliefs/morals, It also let’s you become more open minded I feel.

He wasn't even a "good" villain tbrh. 😒

@@Evil_Beauty nah bro tweaking Fr

Don’t use the Lord’s name in vain

No I am ferdinand von aegir

I am Ferdinand von Aegir and so is my wife!

Wait Dr. Ferdinand von Aegir what are you doing to- FERDINAND VON AEGIR NOOO

Don't insult Ferdinand von Aegir's pompadour!

I am Lorenz Hellman Gloucester

straypaper almost like never waiting for Royal, or reaching rank 10 right away on the SLs or anything really as the warm feeling of reaching it is not as strong.

I feel like if you started to think like that, and you began to wish you had something you had to actually achieve yourself, the reality would be warped in a way that you would at least feel like you had to work towards what you want. To be honest I don't think there could be much of a downside to Maruki's reality aside from the fact that it's morally really fucked up

@@wikemazowski2479 The downside is that it is all in control of one man too much power to one man. This also means he either dies of old age causing reality itself to collapse or he becomes a god due to the peoples wishes and eventually becomes a dictator out of boredom, not much different from yaldie but having even greater control. Even before that, you clearly sees that he imposes his own subjective morality objectively on others. Even as a counselor, maruki believes in running away or avoiding problems instead of fixing them quite similar to how the japanese society works. Ironic considering maruki wants to do it exactly because the japanese society ignores emotional pain and mental health. His intentions are good but his methods far from it.

I honestly think that a reality where wishes come true won't just be hollow, but also generally bad because of bad people having bad ideals.

Holy shit. You’re right!

Which is funny because Aizen's VA is Madarame

I know right!?!

*_-12054life-_* Which one? The OG Japanese voice of Madarame, or Kyle Hebert, the English VA?

@@mystery8820 Pretty sure he means the English VA.

JDJSJJDJZJEJEJSJ I FEEL BAD FOR LAUGHING

I already did it but thanks !

Between the PTSD of losing her 'Better Sister' and the Survivor's guilt she probably also suffered from, Sumire would probably have entered a vegative state (like Rumi ) if Maruki hadn't intervened.

This game tackles the theme of loss and how people handle loss. You can also include Sae since her palace manifests from the death of her and makotos dad. And you also see how that affects makoto too. And it even goes for Haru as well, despite not being handled as well as I think it could’ve . I believe the approach to Haru was they were trying to have her be the one who bottles all of their emotions, mostly cause she wants to show that she is strong enough to be part of the phantom thieves and run a multi-billion dollar corporation. And also extends to losing loved ones not quite due to death, like Maruki.

Dr. Maruki is literally the personification of the phrase, "The road to hell is paved with good intentions."

"I am Takuto Maruki."

Poor guy has stage 4 cancer

@@efazchowdhury3866 😭

​​​@@TheRealTact Rest in peace, Billy... Cancer friggin' blows.

RIP Billy :’( he was so talented

Technically, wouldn't Violet be the Marie of this game?

@@narutoboy423 I mean Marie wasn't playable and she is a side character but really late of the game you gotta go fight them

Devakyun Violet is more like Aigis.

@@narutoboy423 ... Maruki *and Sumire* are basically Marie but better!

@@imaginternet Marie is barely important to the plot of golden.

I’d say he’s more of an antagonist than a villain. His goals are selfless and he genuinely wants to make people happy, and so I personally can sympathize with him. Although eliminating suffering is for sure misguided as people need to endure hardship and pain to grow.

Sumire thought she was better off not existing. "Killing" her sister was just the final nail in the coffin.

Kaiser Where!?

Well if every thing you want happens why would you even try? People die, you cant Save everyone but they can be your motivation to be better and to Save others, Instead of them becoming your unclosed wound that would never stop bleeding, let it become a scar, a reminder of reality as it is. I have hard time accepting reality as it is I want to change it in some way or form but if it happened now I would feel like my goal something I wanted to do So badly would be taken/stolen from me. you can't turn back the clocks I wanted to Meet my younger sibling but he died before I even met him if I met him now how would he be? What would he become? I wanted to know but he died even if I don't know him I wish I could Just hug him I wanted to have better siblings but our flaws makes us humans, mistakes we make are our lessons and death is our last bell.

random guy who is silver?

@@blueblaze27 probably ryuji

And morgana can be tails

random guy heck, we need the whole damn cast now

ann=amy Makoto=blaze Yuskue=espio Futaba= cream All i can think so far

What ideal reality? Where the day before Yu leaves Inaba keeps repeating like Edge of Tomorrow? Or when Shadow Mitsuo dragged Yu in a fake world where everyone left Yu behind?

Yoooo someone else acknowledges twewy's existence!

That is fucked up.

She was not trying to die it was a result of her not paying attention

@@Cryptic_Diamond really......or mabye that

Idk what's up with fiction and making psychologists into bad guys, but they sure did a good job with this one

I like to imagine that after this is brought up, everything just pauses. The amount of control Maruki has over reality remains the same as he, Joker, Akechi, and an unconscious Sumire remain in the same room for all of eternity waiting for Maruki to find a way to make that reality a possibility

Joker: Checkmate

@@iwantsleep8079 not that hard honestly. He can change akechi's cognition to make him believe joker is dead(like with sumire being kasumi) and joker stays alive. Problem solved as long as maruki can keep joker and akechi apart.

I know right?!?

Yeah, without a crappy haircut 😏

Billy Kametz. Voice of Ferdinand von Aegir in Fire Emblem: Three Houses. Also Naofumi in Shield Hero.

@@mystery8820 Ah! No wonder it felt familiar.

Billy was also Josuke Higashikata in JoJo part 4.

Oh yeah, Morgana originally has the voice of the donut-living swimmer Asahina, then when he becomes human, he has the voice of Nagito, filled with hope bagels. Danganronpa reference.

@@mystery8820 no its kirito

Probably just an editing error they did'nt catch.

The thing about Walter White is that Heisenberg was *always* who he really was (as made clear by his "I'm in the empire business" scene). He didnt "become" Heisenberg, he was just dropping the mask. He's more comparable to Akechi than Maruki

SOLD!! To Maruki’s reality, AWAY!!