Finding the Delicate Balance Between Skill and Cheese!

Finding the Delicate Balance Between Skill and Cheese! - Scrap Mechanic Challenge Mode

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5 жыл бұрын

Welcome back to the Scrap Mechanic Challenge Mode! Today we are back in the Ball Balancing Challenge making level 5. This time we step up the concept of moving rail by introducing another axis of rotation and find some difficulties with trying to make the challenge difficult enough without being able to cheese it
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@slogllykop 5 жыл бұрын

put a sensor at the horizontal part which will activate a closed door to open and then the ball can go through , this will prevent the cheating , like everyone if agree this might get rid of the barriers completely which will make the build less complex!!

@Belindayupp 4 жыл бұрын

Eeeea mabey 😯

@kurtisam 5 жыл бұрын

make the anti-cheat a single bar instead of two bars because the two bars will catch the ball and a single bar will push the ball to the side and knock it off.

@SpaceDave-on8uv 5 жыл бұрын

Love this Project so far! Keep up the good work, mate!

@realization3020 5 жыл бұрын

YEAH oH Hell yEs

@demolitionprime 5 жыл бұрын

You could make the "anti cheese barriers" out of one bar, causing the the ball to fall of the side, instead of being catched.

@matthewp1637 5 жыл бұрын

Demolition Prime *caught

@peopling0560 5 жыл бұрын

Put in small doors that open slowly triggers by a sensor

@mangomelody5044 5 жыл бұрын

You put a blocker so you can't go at 90 degrees but then around the part were you need to go for 90 degrees u have a sensor at that part that releases the blocker.

@nexivy 5 жыл бұрын

Or just use a deflector by removing 1 side

@lloydjohnsonabaday5462 5 жыл бұрын

But it goes 360°

@seankenjiesanjuan9324 5 жыл бұрын

That’s what I was thinking of.

@nikore90 5 жыл бұрын

Just add gate that opens or closes at specific angle. Or maybe simple speed bump would work. Also you could use obstacles that throw ball off the course instead of catching it.

@TopiX-iq1on 5 жыл бұрын

You could put a bar in the middle of the rotary rails, than the ball couldnt fall trough. Also you could just build an off-centered bar as an anti-cheat machanism, than the ball would fall of to the sides if someone is trying to cheat.

@z4p0tr0n8 5 жыл бұрын

Make a sensor over THE other sensor and when that sensor is not seeing THE pipe THE anti cheese mechanism is blocked THE whole way and when you steer it so it tilts a Little bit THE anti cheese mechanism is opening btw i Love your channel

@chickenhunter9474 5 жыл бұрын

make a little ramp so you must move slowly and not fast

@eissabear 5 жыл бұрын

Yes same thought I had a speed bump inline

@zachlap3020 5 жыл бұрын

I was just about to say that! Damnit

@xrex7839 5 жыл бұрын

You could put a pole in the middle of the first rotating section to prevent cheeseing. Love the vids btw, nice challenge.

@WafflesYTonYT 5 жыл бұрын

Agreed, I have another idea though

@mikeeyyss2150 5 жыл бұрын

What you can do is add a sensor that can detect where the ball is and the position of the challenge. That's when you can add a block to prevent it from going any farther, thus, the player having to restart the challenge. So to really sum it up, it's a sensor that detects the position of the challenge and another sensor to detect where the ball is to block it from going any farther. So if the challenge is at a 90° angle, it would stop the ball, but if the ball is at the bottom, it won't activate.

@Kmprukop2608 5 жыл бұрын

Make a 3 dimensional course that spins both ways forward and sideways

@DerpyNub 5 жыл бұрын

chironx cantoulope i had that idea too before

@Kmprukop2608 5 жыл бұрын

@@DerpyNub cool

@DerpyNub 5 жыл бұрын

+i thought that it could have curves and/or maze

@Kmprukop2608 5 жыл бұрын

@@DerpyNub good idea

@tombuster 5 жыл бұрын

I have an anti cheat idea: 1 sensor in the beginning and an other after the second obstacle mounted on the track, preferably underneath. Then set up a timer for 3 seconds and set a logic circuit that doesn't let you finish if the ball passes between the sensors quicker than the 3 seconds. The timer needs to be activated by the 1st sensor. Nice video by the way

@striker7793 5 жыл бұрын

Doors that go up and down. Up when not at 90 degrees, Down when it is at 90 degrees.

@anthonyjensen3410 5 жыл бұрын

Add a trapdoor at the second barrier so if they go too fast they go straight down there and lose love you share scrap man

@henripampanelli 5 жыл бұрын

you could put pistons on all of the anti cheesing so when you are vertical it puts the pistons down to keep you from falling straight down.

@wrong2442 5 жыл бұрын

Looking forwards for the challenge. Keep it up Scrap.

@calebflorentino4823 5 жыл бұрын

You can make the “cheese stoppers “ a door that’s hooked on sensors and have them lift like gates

@TheCaptNoname 5 жыл бұрын

I see what you're trying to do there, but even with these cheese g(r)ate(r)s, that's still a straight line, and any straight line can go from a gentle slope up to a steep wall, effectively nullifying all the challenges and traps you've set via gravity's force. So, if you want to disable this kind of cheesing, break the line. Lower that spinning blade part, so it won't be in line with remaining part of the course. Add that cheese g(r)ate(r) of yours, so that part becomes unavoidable. Or an even better idea: make a multi-level maze track, using the bends and slopes of upper levels to block off the unintended shortcuts on the lower ones. That would be an interesting one to implement. Other than that, that was a wonderful Freebuild Friday, just a usual. Keep it up, Scrap!

@tijn5646 5 жыл бұрын

Scrapman you should use a ramp instead of the barier so the balls get thrown of. Lov ur vids

@brendenm019 5 жыл бұрын

Dont make it strait make it also go up and down so it stops you from goin straight threw

@gusgusin11 5 жыл бұрын

A tunnel for the ball makes it so that you can't throw it over, this is much more effective than having two baskets. For the rotating part, cut the tunnel just enough to get the ball out

@bboss4412 5 жыл бұрын

I HAVE AN IDEA FOR THIS you can have a separate section controlled so you can flip the track while turning the track the ball is on and then have the end.

@mihalydozsa2254 5 жыл бұрын

You can make checkpoints that stops the ball until the rails are level again. For more difficult challenge you can make it dual axle so after the ball reaches the right side it have to go forward, and add obsticles that way too.

@notonlyhuman6073 5 жыл бұрын

You could add a barrier at the center of the first turntable. This will force the user to do the following: 1) move the the ball onto the turntable. 2) let the ball rest at the barrier. 3) allow the turntable to rotate, transfering the ball to face the opposite side. 4) move the ball off of the turntable. The barrier stops the user from tilting the entire course and letting the ball just fall through.

@waitwhat5015 5 жыл бұрын

You can make a wall where when the last moving part goes flat a wall comes up blocking them and when the part is vertical the wall goes down To prevent them from staying there you could make the wall uneven so they bounce of the wall

@rockerfeller5005 5 жыл бұрын

Another great video! You could try making sensor checkpoints that are on toggle mode. Hooked up to a logic gate connected to the end goal, they spin around as so to not be un-toggled.

@Marhathor 5 жыл бұрын

You can make gates with sensors on them to only open when the ball is in front of them and the track in horizontal, according to the ball spawn sensor.

@adriantrans-amgta5981 5 жыл бұрын

Utilizing a single-axis gyroscope, you can have some levers that come down and block the path once you reach a certain angle.

@JoshyRB 5 жыл бұрын

I know what could stop people from cheating that level. Get a sensor after the second anti cheat barrier and put it on the right of it and make it so you only trigger the sensor when your not on the track so when someone tilts it and falls they will trigger that sensor and when they trigger it make something that knocks the ball of the track. 😎❤️

@vshootinblanksv9105 5 жыл бұрын

This is one of my favorite youtubers like if he is yours too

@hardikthasale2916 5 жыл бұрын

Put a pole on the horizontal rotating part so you have to stay on one side of that part and wait for it to rotate 180 degrees . That will be challenging enough

@jasperrose459 5 жыл бұрын

Create doors out of pipes blocking the entrances to the next part of the rails. A sensor on the middle rotating rail where you have to keep the ball on it for 3 seconds. After that, pipes will rotate out of the way.

@slatefeather320 5 жыл бұрын

You can have pistons which block the challenge from rotating too far unless a sensor directs that the ball it's past the first part of the challenge

@exafawn 5 жыл бұрын

Most I can think of is having the second set of moving track be facing vertical at first instead of in-line with the rest of the track

@guuzila 5 жыл бұрын

hii scrapman, try using censores, like that you have to hold the challange ball on a certain spot for a certain time before the ball can get through to the next part of the challange, and when all censores and the challange ball catcher are activated only then the finish triggers on, goodluck with the next challange making :)

@spooderman4008 5 жыл бұрын

You should make a level that has a piston with high speed and low length for a sort of jump then have a sort of funnel made of pipes on bearings on a different side of the square, like, have high turning speed so when the ball jumps, you turn the level around to the other side of the track. simplified: have the ball do a piston jump into a V of bearings with a 180* rotation. Edit: I'm really enjoying this series! Keep up the good work man! :D Edit #2: you could also off center the cheat bar instead of having it be a catch so that the balls fall to the sides. Edit #3: I just realized how fast this comment is gonna get buried :|

@EL-fu8zy 5 жыл бұрын

Make rails that increase in width periodically so the ball can drop through, and maybe pair that with the rotating rails

@XxJoe1101xX 5 жыл бұрын

For anti-cheese, you could have a single pole in the middle (instead of two, like the rail) whenever you want to stop someone from skipping parts of the challenge. That way the ball will likely bounce off instead of being caught. So if the ball even touches it a little, it'll hopefully have an effect, instead of the ball just being pushed back down on the track as happened just at the end in this video. Maybe it'd help a little. Hopefully.

@thomasstegmuller2202 5 жыл бұрын

You could put in sensors on which you have to stay on for 3-5 seconds to open up a gate or something else that was blocking you from proceeding to fast.

@trevorgray4697 5 жыл бұрын

A better "anti-cheese device" might be a single pole in the center instead of two rails to catch the ball. Hitting it would most likely knock the ball sideways and away from any rails that could catch it. If you don't mind the visual incongruity you could even make it out of angled blocks to intentionally deflect the ball to one side.

@grahamr2809 5 жыл бұрын

to prevent cheesing, make sensors detect the ball and open stages that are blocked and are required to finish.

@poisonspider0058 5 жыл бұрын

You could make it so if you make it completely ninety degrees a sensor makes a piston pushes a wall and blocks access to the second part of the challenge. Then the player is forced to play the challenge correct way. You could also put this in the first part of the challenge too.

@brokebackmountainlover 5 жыл бұрын

Great! I love it

@demoniav668 5 жыл бұрын

Make these small "hills" before the spinning rails. If u go too hard to them, u fly off the track n it prevents one from just "skipping" the rotating parts.

@rnsynax 5 жыл бұрын

Build A blender in scrapmechanic or trailsmaker, it will be fun

@johnderat2652 5 жыл бұрын

He just made one ! It's called the tumble dryer

@rnsynax 5 жыл бұрын

@@johnderat2652 yeah, but I want like destroy stuff like blender

@redpug5042 5 жыл бұрын

you need a sensor and something to block the ball on the first thing you did, when the tack is close to a 90 angle, you will move a block up to prevent the ball from going through

@joshlancaster1331 5 жыл бұрын

Hey ScrapMan I absolutely love your content keep up the good work man! Got an idea to stop the cheesing… just put a blocker in the centre of the horizontal rotating track. This would force the player to keep the ball balanced as it move round the outside. :)

@seb6188 5 жыл бұрын

You could hook a sensor up to a piston or bearing doorway which will only open at a certain distance

@c_death 5 жыл бұрын

put in checkpoints that you have to pass with the ball, but the sensors are on the bottom so the ball has to be ON the track for the sensors to pick up the ball. adding on to some other comments, you can also use those sensors to either put up / take away barriers, or just make it so all the sensors have to be tripped to complete the challenge. Maybe put the X O blocks under the sensors so you can see where they are and if they were tripped. You wouldn't need the cheeze blockers then either and it can look more streamlined. In fact the cheeze blockers could actually make it easier to hit the sensors.

@neviemhesloplays8419 5 жыл бұрын

You can do a barrier at the first turning thing so he has to wait till it turns around!!!

@timothygrey3417 5 жыл бұрын

Hi Scrapman, you should adjust the controllers so that the spinning obstacles aren't "open" at the same time. Thus you cannot go through both of them quickly. You could also change the speed of one of the obstacles.

@Rraptor1012 4 жыл бұрын

You could use a sensor after each section which activate a timer and then the timer runs down and opens a gate, making the player wait.

@zacharymoser8319 5 жыл бұрын

add a sensor at 90 degrees that will push a blocker down to stop anything from getting through you can also try a door system forcing the ball to stop for a small period of time. You should also try doing a ball launcher and launching it over to a second set of rails

@Geninacra 5 жыл бұрын

9:37 There is a way to cheese the sistem. You pres the respawn while you move up the left side. If you put a short timer and a And gate, you could force the blanace for the ball to spawn.

@CubeMasterTV 5 жыл бұрын

I really wanna know what that montage music is

@hansdomke89 5 жыл бұрын

L'effet Mer, BERTYSOLO.

@aH00man 5 жыл бұрын

Maybe you could put sensors to read the angle and speed to make a piston extend which would stop the ball. You could detect the speed by using a sensor that activates a timer. Then, the timer would activate an and gate which is also activated by an other sensor.

@alexkaff4864 5 жыл бұрын

You could use sensors and a bit if logic to make a mechanism that doesnt allow it to rotate that much until the ball passes a certain point

@Paprikajlo 5 жыл бұрын

For the cheese, maybe you can condition the finish with simple sensor 'checkpoints'

@korysturgess6623 5 жыл бұрын

Anti-cheese idea: have sections where the track is free spinning with a weight on the bottom. That way you need to have the track relatively level for the ball to roll down, and when it's not level the track won't be aligned

@ianperez6486 5 жыл бұрын

Scrapman you should add rails to the 1st obstacle and add an end cap to it as well so you can’t go straight down and so you can’t cheese with the 90 degrees angle so they hit the end cap or the rails of it.

@gregblastfpv3623 5 жыл бұрын

Have another sensor for higher angles that stop the rotating thingies. They could also lower a wall or something. If you're on that angle you're supposed to be past that point so it would not prevent you from completing the challenge.

@NattyDucks 5 жыл бұрын

Try to make some small hills that will make the ball fall off if you go too fast but will work if you go slow enough

@jadebrimhall4211 5 жыл бұрын

You can time the second spinning part to always be straight up after the first has completed a rotation

@joshuasheagaming8171 5 жыл бұрын

For the section the spins 180 and stops, you can put a wall in the middle of it so the player must be in it and move the ball a 180

@pheomelanin8954 5 жыл бұрын

A 2 high barrier on the side of the first rotating piece

@DmanOfficial15 5 жыл бұрын

Add three way pipes to act as speed bumps before the anti-cheese nets.

@adicsbtw 5 жыл бұрын

I have an idea, use the drivers seat for the future levels so you can steer some bearings in the level with a and d and you can turn something with w and s

@thedimondgamerbro6576 5 жыл бұрын

Good job

@garrettphotos270 5 жыл бұрын

You should use the smart engines. You can change the strength on them to carry heavy things. Hope that helps. Love your vids.

@zevreth2185 5 жыл бұрын

You should make two rotational points separate from one another with separate controls that each have a ball on them. That way you have to keep track of both of them to pass

@adamhorvath4683 5 жыл бұрын

Really cool! I have an idea to make it cheatproof(ish). Put rotating parts on your cheatproof things and rotate them in the opposite direction. (I dont know if that make sense, but i wish it is) Sorry for the bad english.

@billytiedeman7458 5 жыл бұрын

Love the vids btw

@arnaudbernay4510 5 жыл бұрын

Put little bumps on the track so if someone tilts it completely vertical, the bumps throw them completely off. You’re welcome

@harrypotter-gw7hn 5 жыл бұрын

hey love it keep it up

@NCIA-93 5 жыл бұрын

maybe use sensors and timers to make sure the ball has to stay on that rotating obstacle for atleast 1 or 2 seconds in order to make the ball not bounce off the rail between the next obstacle.

@sennam9135 5 жыл бұрын

You could make a dip in between the levels to slow the ball down

@lightdeck8357 5 жыл бұрын

sensor triggers to activate a gate or cage around your ball socket. once the sensors have been activated by the ball then the gate will open letting you complete the challenge.

@lightdeck8357 5 жыл бұрын

just add the sensors 2 blocks below the rail the ball passes over in the center somewhere.

@distraveler4201 5 жыл бұрын

make more of those rails, each on its own bearing, so in the end you will have few spinning things with different speeds :D

@semhegger1321 5 жыл бұрын

You could have a sensor on some parts of the thing that have to be activated for a time (like 3 seconds or something), otherwise the finish won't activate

@foggycontacts3212 5 жыл бұрын

You can run rails on the top side of the track so the ball has to go in between the tracks like a tunnel.

@BetaTester704 5 жыл бұрын

An idea to prevent cheese is to have it move closer or farther from the player at some point past/before the issue area

@JanelUllrichBSibal 5 жыл бұрын

Add sensor to some part of the track that needs to be triggered in a distance that you have to have contact with the track, if it's not triggered, the finish won't be activated ;)

@adamjackson4522 5 жыл бұрын

at the end before the 90 turn move the track 2 blocks over so you have to follow the track to move inline.

@littlegamedude6351 5 жыл бұрын

maybe you can put a sensor at where the ball spawns, and the sensor activates a door that closes, and puts into the lil anti cheese things, it only catches them if their fast, if they take their time, the sensor will turn off. (gonna need logic and timers)

@mrelectronix6494 5 жыл бұрын

You could simply use stairs in the track to stop the ball from falling straight down

@Deadpool1978 2 жыл бұрын

with the sensor you just have to have it at a steeper angle than 90 degrees to trip it so use more sensors in a line spaced apart

@collinsims2413 5 жыл бұрын

Maybe use sensors and have timers on them if possible, so the 'course' has to sitting a certain way for the vertical guards to move up out of the way or something.

@PrimedPixelMusic 5 жыл бұрын

Put a gate connected to the sensor and a timer so when you get to the second turn bit, it also has to be horizontal

@ambitsamb 5 жыл бұрын

On the spinning part add a vertical bar?

@peterhansmann3289 5 жыл бұрын

or just cut the middle part of it out so you have to do the "turn move" to pass that section. combine a cut out and a pole in the middle

@crustybomb115 5 жыл бұрын

or maybe add a sensor that automatically pushes the ball off if the ball is off the rails?

@123Beast123YT 5 жыл бұрын

u can put like a wall in the way and hook it up to a piston then put a sensor to make the game know that the ball is there and then the wall open up like use the walls as cheakpoints

@alexdc1856 5 жыл бұрын

You should do multiple rotating tracks, such as rotating two at a time and then having to swap between them

@chbaniyoussef7202 5 жыл бұрын

when it is ninety degrees try to activate a sensore that will close a gate that doesn"t let you go further the perfect place will be in the middle so the piston has some time to react

@shahnawazazam 5 жыл бұрын

make it so a sensor checks if the platform is 90 degrees, if yes, then it puts a blocking mechanism ( such as a wall made of glass), glass because at 1 block thickness, you may not be able to see it, and then the cheater gets trolled

@crustybomb115 5 жыл бұрын

or even better: make a ball catcher, then add pistons on the side to punt it off the course XD

@dnini1240 5 жыл бұрын

You can put a gate and put it on a baring and put a sensor when u pass the first part and that sensor opens the gate

@Rio_Grande_Foamer 5 жыл бұрын

Solution: Add a pillar which interfears with the rail itself and the pillar is on a bearing that is connected to a timer so when you start the challenge it starts the timer so you can only turn it lets say 45 degrees or less until the timer ends and lowers the pillar allowing you to rotate it a full 360 degrees.

@dipsauce9430 5 жыл бұрын

You should put sensor on each point and that sensor can trigger a lip to stop it from reaching the othe point like that the lip can be settled down again from the button hooked to seat