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I took a girl I was dating to a Dream Theater concert because I didnt want to go by myself. I dont think she enjoyed it too much, but she went for me so I greatly appreciated it. Also for some reason she decided to marry me so I guess it wasnt that bad.

“Prog became more about what’s in your head and not what’s in your heart.” Maynard James Keenan

Mikael Akerfeldt is such a powerful growler it's otherworldly

One thing I like about Finn is how open he is. You like something he dislikes, he will be polite to you.

Finn putting on a 20 minute Rush song, listening to 5 random seconds, saying “the vocals are bad” and then shutting it off is gonna piss off so many dads and I’m here for it

As far as I’m concerned, Devin Townsend is one of the best you can ask for when it comes to prog. Incredible musician, but doesn’t forget to write actual songs with actual hooks. Incredible talent.

Protest the hero is criminally underrated

I only discovered Opeth for myself 3 years ago, and they’re arguably my favorite band now. Their discography feels like a genre all it’s own

The Ocean Collective. I will continue to push this band because I think they are totally underrated and are the definition of progressive. Each album is a different style with new musicians. Each album is conceptual and thematic either lyrically, musically or both. They even released instrumental versions of their last 4 or 5 albums.

I think prog gives something to people like me who don't just want to hear the same bands playing the shit over and over again. The complexity of the music keeps it interesting and keeps it from getting bland and repetitive.

As a pop punk kid before, I think what introduced me to prog rock is Coheed and Cambria. Loved their earlier albums very catchy songs and really cool prog parts. Then discovered prog metal in Tool and it took me to another world again

Prog metal has to be my most beloved genre, Devin Townsend being my all-time favorite musician.

Porcupine Tree have been my favorite sense I was a baby. THey've pulled off so many great genres.

Not only is Devin Townsend (another Canadian) a talented musician but he has as great sense of humor, I always appreciate when great musicians don’t take theirselves too seriously

Alright I’m gonna be this guy - Finn you’re killing me, go listen to almost any other PT song. It’s mostly prog and/or metal. Love your stuff :D

I'm glad to see Finn appreciate Devin Townsend, as he is one of my all time favorite artists, and often times Finn isn't a fan of my favs

Finn saying Rush is bad made me so sad. They are one of my favorite bands

"Listen to Fear of a Blank Planet by Porcupine Tree" "You got it!" Listens to Trains off a different album. Lmao

BTBAM, Cynic, The Dillinger Escape Plan, and Car Bomb are four shining examples of good prog metal.

If you're enjoying aviations, you should really check out Caligula's Horse... they actually do sound very similar. They're upbeat but have heavy parts

I think the Mars Volta is a great prog band.

Sorry picked the wrong track if you wanted metal from Porcupine Tree! I recommend Blackest Eyes or Strip The Soul from In Absentia preferably the later! Heck even Wedding Nails if you want to avoid Steven Wilson's vocals! Lol Regardless you were given a terrible recommendation and you, Finn, should give them a second chance! Personally I find In Absentia and Fear of A Blank Planet there best albums in its entirety! Also I'll listen to Aviations if you do! Thanks and have a great day!

Just saw Gojira and Mastadon live, and having been to 100s of metal shows, they blew the top right off my head. They performed perfectly, so much so that the sherrifs (massive outdoor show) didn't even bother doing their jobs and couldn't look away from the stage 😅. Hard to look away when you're seeing 2 of the best drummers in the world. 3rd time seeing Gojira, so I know they are the best live, but Mastadon really did impress me.

As a woman who enjoys Dream Theater, and have willingly bought tickets to go see them... I wasn't sure if laugh or cry at Finn's statement. Either way, I'm gonna hide at home and listen to the 12 Step Suit in peace.

Being progressive basically means everything goes.

Finn: Prog bad Also Finn in a "Prog Bad" video: all of those prog bands are great, everyone is so talanted, it's incredible, but in general prog bad, although I won't show a single bad song Also Aviations sounds like Thank You Scientist.

That was actually a very good Alex Jones impersonation.

So glad Finn brought up Aviations!! Absolutely incredible band and I'm happy to see Finn sing their praises cause they Absolutely deserve it!

You picked the lightest, least prog Porcupine Tree song possibly in their entire extensive back catalogue...

I love dream theater because that was my first metal band I ever heard. I was like 5 singing pull me under in school lol

I'm a big prog metal fan but I think your opinion is spot on. I listen to Animals As Leaders probably more than any other band, but they are not for everyone.

10:43 I saw Devin back in the skullet era and that's when I became a fan. He was touring with Strapping Young Lad at the time; I believe it was for the Alien album. Such a great show.

Kingdom from Devin for life, too. That is definitely the song to check out for an intro

Thanks for that Aviation plug Finn, will definitely check them out more. Fav "prog" band has always been The Tea Party, best song to start with is probably The Bazaar. As much as I dont mind prog, finding ways to fit prog type concepts into shorter more accessible songs was a good idea.

Sick, I love all those bands! Though I gotta say, turning in my V-card was an uphill battle to say the least.

Rishloo - Feathergun in the Garden of the Sun.

Aviations are so good I hope they blow up

When Finn suddenly busts out these channeled characters, like the strip club announcer in the Nickelback vid or the deep state concpiracy theorist here, oh my God XD

Devin Townsend's voice is fucking aces, too. like he is legit a good singer. not my preferred vocal style but any who denies he has a good voice is lying to themselves.

Another band you should have checked out is Ne Obliviscaris. They are the only newer prog band that gets me excited whenever I hear them.

The only riff salads I like are brutal death metal riff salads - then again, they're all only three-minute riff salads!

As a French Canadian the "Protest the Hero is making the frogs gay" line is pretty smart.

Devin is the only person that could make albums based on a coffee loving alien bent on universal domination lol.

Great Video. I agree with most of this. I grew up in the prog scene due to my dad. But I ended up venturing out after going to one too many boring shows (e.g. Seeing Dream Theater's The Astonishing live is still my worst live music experience). Now years later as a dedicated slam and crabcore fan, I will every so often revisit some prog stuff that I used to listen to. Most of the bands that I still like put strong hooks and good songwriting before the prog-ism (e.g. Leprous not doing solos for most of their recent albums as it would not fit the songs, rather than needlessly forcing in it *coughcough Dream Theater coughcough*). So yeah, like in any other genre, for me strong and memorable hooks with good songwriting should come first, everything else is just an embellishment to the song. On this note, 80's King Crimson, especially Discipline is the best.

That behold the arctopus video truly is tragic lmfaooo I'm glad you played it

Dev is probably my all time favorite artist. Every album sounds different and even though I'm not as crazy about his most recent stuff that has almost a Christian rock vibe which isn't my thing, I still think he's a genius. Namaste is what got my attention and that song fucks hard. Ocean Machine, Terria, Physicist and Infinity are all masterpieces.

Aviations - A Declaration Of Sound is one of the best EP's of all time. So catchy, and so heavy at the same time. They are AMAZING

Hey, Finn! Thanks for bringing up Aviations. Safehouse is such an absolute banger so I checked the rest of their catalog. I've never been this excited about prog since BTBAM's Colors came out.

even prog fans hate most prog music. They just have a couple of favorite bands who's discography they listen to enough times, to acquire a taste for it

Audience: "You should check out Porcupine Tree who are partially influenced by prog metal, among many other styles." Finn: (listens to 10 seconds of a random song with an acoustic guitar intro) "THis iSn'T ProOG MetAL I dON'T LIKE it BOOOOOO"

Prog music isnt bad and I like a lot of it. I love gojira and listened to toxic garbage island on repeat after it came out. My main issue with it is that the fans are among the most condescending people I have met. They talk down to you for not knowing what song was written by the bum under the bridge on september the 18th of 1987 at exactly 4:32 pm. Last time I was at a hardcore show a man who im sure paid to get in just to talk shit about everyone there sat at the bar and told me that it must be nice to be able to be entertained by music so simple.

To be fair, the argument "great prog metal is great, but there is so much mediocre shit" applies to almost everything. Obviously there are the great bands that are trailblazers and then waves and waves of copycats, but I don't think it's fair to judge a subgenre by saying "the genre is bad because the copycats are bad". I personally feel attracted to the most important/relevant bands of different subgenres of metal (and not even their whole discographies), only in some cases I dig deeper and deeper to find hidden gems. Does that make me a poser? Maybe, but that's the way I've found I enjoy music the most.

You should give Rush a second try. They were the ones who laid the groundwork for prog metal. Geddy Lee's vocals are an acquired taste.

I’m surprised no one recommended the band Fates Warning they are considered one of the “big 3” of the genre

Like hearing your takes! I would've recommended Cult of Luna - Eternal Kingdom and The Ocean - Pelagial

With some of the bands mentioned in this video, The Mars Volta should've been included. Better at prog metal than bands which are exclusively of that genre.

Okay, so I'm more of a Prog/power kinda guy. I came into this video with completely different expectations to what wound up being the focus. Like, I'd heard most of these names ('cept for Aviations and they seem really sick!) but the only bands I actively listen to of the set are Rush and Dream theater. 2112 is not even close to heavy by today's standards, but I mean, it's fast approaching 50 years old! It's often grandfathered in because it's success in it's time is the proof that sometimes when you ignore what's proven to work and make the art you want to make, it can find success. Of course, can does not mean will, or necessarily should. A lot of the art that people put genuine time, effort, and emotion into is garbage. To ignore that is to fall victim to survivorship bias. I totally get the question of "is it still prog if it's formulaic?" and have seen a number of bands I enjoy become all too formulaic after finding success with something. I think what I enjoy the most is when musicians are making the music *they* want rather than what they think other people want. Some of it is... Extremely cheesy. But, I can enjoy that too. I think there's genuinely a treasure trove of fantastic prog metal beyond just the surface level, but as with all art, you need to sift through the trash to find it.

"Deadwing" would've been a better choice for Porcupine Tree imo as well as being an amazing record.

I love prog and heavily technical music, but I also love simple, quick and aggressive punk. No one has to take sides on this. You can love both. Dream theaters 'Count of Tuscany' is an amazing song, and so it Minor Threats 'Minor Threat' song. They are nothing like each other. Love'em both. It's also okay to not enjoy something. There shouldn't be any shame around your taste in music.

I am now a fan of aviations. Thanks Finn. Never came across them

That was dream theaters only "hit song". They do have a bunch of other great songs. In fact their best of cd was called Greatest hit and 20 other pretty cool songs.

I think Dream Theatre perfectly embody the evolution of prog metal as a genre: the started with amazing, heartfelt songs and, over many years of career, moved to guirar exercises for people who want to improve their skills I also suggest you Ne Obliviscaris "Portal of I" and "Citadel" and Rivers of Nihil "Where owls know my name"

Carbomb is a progression from rather than being purely derivative of what Meshuggah achieved with timing/polyrhythms

Prog is my favorite but I agree with you that copying the OGs isn’t progressive

Protest the Hero is one of my favourite bands. I love Rush too, but I think they have more bad songs than good ones. It sounds like you're not into Canadian guys with soaring voices. I understand why people might be put off by it at first, similar to harsh vocals, but it's something you come to love over time. Rody, the vocalist of Protest the Hero, reminds me a bit of Bruce Dickinson but much more animated. His vocals are very fluid, like he slides all over the place and has an intense vibrato. He fits the band well because while the music is quirky, so is he. His vocals are as progressive as the music he sings over, rather than having really complex music with fairly simple and poppy vocals. To me, they only write hooks instrumentally and vocally, the music is beautiful, and the lyrics can also be just as good and they've touched on tons of topics over the past 20 years. And since they have a background in punk, a lot of those topics are social and political issues, but they also cover lots of other things as well. Their most recent album Palimpsest is probably the most accessible of their albums since there's more conventional songwriting and fewer off-the-wall weird parts, but still very technical and catchy. There are plenty of bands with weird voices that we put up with, NOFX being one of my other favourites, so this is just one of those situations. XD

Was literally thinking to myself I wanted you to make another prog video today

I think you maneged to pick the least prog porcupine tree lol

I think the issue with prog music like Porcupine Tree is that you actually need to have an attention span longer than 3 seconds, which is why punk fans don't like it. (all in good jokes, I like punk as well)

Need some Intronaut or The Ocean Collective... Y'all were sleeping on Aviations. They slap. Maybe not really metal but definitely have metal parts but Thank You Scientist is incredible with what they do

13:20 "uuuh! this is not good" 😂

Thanks for the Aviations love ❤❤❤

I never heard Protest before but to me your clip sounded similar to Sikth, so idk if they fulfill the mantel of "progressing" the genre

Funny how he says no women listen to dream theater…because my ex actually loved them , as well as rush. But, her dad was a drummer so…

Aviations is basically Progmuri, and I'm here for it

The guy who stans generic pop punk bands doesn’t like prog!?! Shocking

My favorite genre. Opeth, Meshuggah, Tool, Mastodon, Leprous, etc. Not a fan of that virtuoso, DT stuff.

I love that you picked a pop song from Porcupine Tree instead of one of their more progressive or heavy songs.

I’m at that point where I’m a burnout uncle and currently I’m customizing my van. Well played.

As a true prog connoisseur you need to have some more obscure (ideally european) bands in your catalog. I would recommend The Hirsch Effekt or The Safety Fire.

Hell Yeah Brother!!!

Fun fact, the bassist for Aviations is also the bassist for Monuments

As I Am is a Dream Theater song with good riffage and hooks

Picks the most mid porcupine tree song lol

A lot of peeps don’t realize it but Norma Jeans first album Bless the Martyr is extremely prog, but it doesn’t get prog cred because of its ties to hardcore and screamo and the prog elite won’t have it because you songs are too good and satisfying to listen to.

An Abstract Illusion's album Woe is like Opeth on Steroids. More heavy, more melodic, and more flow between songs, like movements in a symphony. Listen to them. Similar to the Rush 2112 epic.

aviations seriously reminds me of the first "time, the valuator" album

If you wanna see normies views of prog just read Finn's twitch chat.

In a world where everyone is pretentious about their music taste, it’s refreshing to have a youtuber who proudly enjoys music that the gatekeepers in metal tend to hate, and proudly dislikes many of the genres they ride for.

That Aviations song was pretty dope but honestly the song itself is like Protest the Hero with less gain and a blue eyed soul/pop punk singer. Oh. Its Dance Gavin Dance.

As a proghead, the first stage of liking prog is thinking it's pretentious gibberish. A couple months later and it was my favourite genre.

My entry and exit into prog was really "Crack the Skye" by mastodon, and I think the reason so many prog bands became so boring is summed up real early in this video: it was guitar music for guitar players. They were so wrapped up in impressing guitar players, they forgot to write interesting or even good songs. "Protest the Hero" is a progressive band that didn't beat the progressive drum to death, so they rarely get mentioned, but they had great songs FIRST, that they then progged on

You picked the most mellow PT song, lol. You're one of those people basing their whole idea about a new story on a FB post.

Finn might like the Control Denied album chuck schuldiner made before he died

13:25 When I hear 'progressive buttrock' I instantly think A7X 😂

Atheist deserve way more credit than they get. They are always left out of the conversation. But they did amazing stuff before it was even a thing.

My first girlfriend loved Dream Theater, but she was mad crazy... so she wouldn´t really count.

Those jars in the dream theater video looked like vacuum tubes to me

Damn you to whoever chose trains as the Pocupine Tree song for Finn. Y’all don’t get Finn by now cmahhhhn