S tier regardless of performance (he got tenure)

At least MRobin can yield a gen. 3 Aether FMorgan

True!

Male Robin does have decent benefits, like getting to marry units like Anna and most notably the manaketes. I had him marry Nowi and the kids are absolutely busted

@@cryguy0000 true

Galeforce is so good. The male only class that has a good skill is Dread Fighter which makes them hit harder on player phase, but I'd rather move again

Kellem doesn’t join if you don’t talk to him?

@@samkeiser9776 why would he of you yourself didn't see him

@@braveneon8271 because he is a shepherd, he's like already a part of Chrom's group

The community has "archer bad" ingrained pretty heavily because of the emphasis on GBA games... Heck, if you look at my 'bad units tier list' i had him on it less than a year ago. But the big man deserves better 💜

@DaniDoyle it's kind of a shame binding blade's unpromoted archers are so statistically poor, because otherwise it would've been a great demonstration of how archers just need users with stats and player phase to put in work. At least engage showed bows can be a great weapon type even without massive range boosts, even if archers aren't the ones taking advantage. Hoping that design pattern is carried forward over bowrange+ skills.

Its so weird

Olivia is Chrom's beard confirmed

I’m a big fan of Chrom/Sully, he deserves to get proposed to and be able to enjoy the same hobbies with his wife (training forever). Also makes Kjelle’s “let me solo everything” attitude have a new context when she really is a eugenics superbaby and knows how future Chrom passed away.

@@SniperYanda chrom/sully is my otp too

Through the power of mods you can male chrom act out on the emotions he feels when he stares into your eyes yearningly in the intro cutscene with the power of mods you can also make lucina exist as a queer couple baby, unlike *cough cough* niles kana

@@just-mees uga is the only way i can play awakening now LMAO

On Lunatic, once you get strong enough and you can enemy phase, sol gets a lot better,making you much more tanky.

Its actually quite possit to get both on robin in a timely manner because veteran is a balanced skill.

Yeah, I noticed that too 🤷🏻‍♀️

Rip

How could I overlook that utility 😞🤡 I'm ashamed

Or you could pair her up with Male Robin with the #13 hair color.

He's still good as a Sorcerer too. He get high Crits with Nosferat.

@@Nosretep Oh absolutely. I just loved having his silly little head on the big Berserker body, and thought it was funny he can do well shifted from mage to melee.

@@SwerveStarEx Yep. Paired him with Olivia. Vantage + Vengenace Inigo.

The spotpass units join right before the final map. They don't do anything meaningful unless you're counting post game which I am not

I've been baited ❤

I fixed Severa but I REFUSE to fix lasow

What unique thing does Donnel offer? As I said in the tear criteria, the unique thing offered must be something valuable and the only unique attribute Donnel has is the villager class, which is the worst class in the game. His stats/combat are not unique from other units in awakening, even when trained, especially if we're referring to lower difficulties.

@@DaniDoyle Ah, I think I read “offers something unique” a bit literally. I was thinking “he offers a gameplay narrative very different from other units.” His trash-to-incredible arc is, in my opinion, distinct from the fine-to-great arc that most Awakening units provide. But yeah, that’s not really the point of your list, and in terms of contributions to clearing the game Donnel has nothing special to offer.

Marty sweep 😈😈😈

I actually don't feel I have enough knowledge to tier the entire cast, but I'd recommend JonoabboFE's list

It’s not even fully true since male Robin is the best pairing for Cordelia (or sumia) to facilitate her getting galeforce by chapter 14-15 and then passing it to both severa and female Morgan, allowing one to raze through the rest of lunatic mode with them. I hear female Robin gets galeforce quicker but that’s probably only true if one allows use of the renown seal and even then that means turning Robin into a pegasus in the middle of an arc filled with axe enemies, without an OP pair up to kill everything via dual strikes.

​@AstraProc How does male Robin pairing with Sumia/Cornelia help them reach Galeforce faster ? Is it from using dual strikes ?

@AstraProc the argument here isn't about their kids. Female robin has access to an s support with chrom meaning if you need to you can just do a crobin solo better with female robin but this point is ultimately not a factor in most playthroughs. The argument instead lies in female robin having galeforce as an option and male robin not having gale force as an option. They are very close in viability but female robin is simply better if only by a little bit

@@Starwars-Fanboy Yeah, robin can lead to them getting kills even if they themselves hit like a pool noodle. Robin is also less punished by backpack duty due to veteran letting him make up the xp deficit quickly.

Hes s++ tier (don't watch the video just trust me) 👀👀

Even reclassed, he's mediocre at best. If a unit needs several levels a second seal to pretend they are on the same level as the rest of the army, i think it is fair to penalize them for that.

Yeah, he’d be very good in a lot of other games in that context, but Awakening’s power level is so silly that he’s kinda just all right

in my lunatic playthrough he's being an insane avo machine and the only unit that can double sword users, though I admit I had to train him for like three maps. now that he is promoted he is falling off a bit because I'm trying to let the rest of the army gain at least some experience lol he was really fun but I agree I would probably get the same results with anyone else

Ye

I have seen the light (I was a hater until recently, there's even old videos where i dunk on him sadly)

A large number of maps are kill boss and galeforce makes it easier to get to the boss.

@@DaniDoyle You can just use rescue to reach the boss instead. Even if you don’t do that for whatever reason, it’s just easier to tank your way through than to go out of your way for gale force

Rescues existanance does not invalidate galeforce, the two tools work well together and get stronger when you use them both.

@@DaniDoyle It kinda does if you don’t need gale force at all to reach the boss, which is possible in every kill boss map (although I believe some are quite complicated to pull off)

You also don't need Marcus to beat fe7, don't need warp to beat fe11, dont need the brave sword to beat fe4... Strong tools are almost never necessary, but that's not an argument against them. Rescue is (imo) stronger than galeforce, but that doesn't make galeforce bad. This is the same argument people use for dancing being bad in awakening (which I also disagree with)

Idk, Nowi and Nah seem pretty good to me

@@cryguy0000I was talking about their character and design not unit performance

@@FuriousHaunter oh uhh...idk I think they're fine

You must be level 10 to second seal, so she needs to hit level 10 promoted to second seal to dark flyer

its so sad :( I wish he had like cav or something

The mid game is actually a very player phase oriented portion of the game, as almost every map becomes kill boss. Galeforce allows you to reach and kill these bosses more easily.

@@DaniDoyle Perhaps we have different definitions of what a player phase focused and enemy phase focused game is. When I say Awakening becomes enemy phase focused, I mean that the majority of units you're gonna be killing are going to be done on enemy phase rather than player phase or rather it becomes much more viable to simply put your good combat units in range of enemies on enemy phase since they aren't as dangerous. Even if I granted your definition, rescue is much better at accomplishing this and you dont have to excessively grind in a shitty class for it either

Agreed, Gale-force is just overrated. By the time you get it, your already in the mid-game anyway and can just marry your Robin and congratulations, you beat the game. Only went trough the game one time though, and the second I married robin and unlocked his kids, yeah game was over, just enemy phased the rest. I think even listing abilities that require a advanced class at lv15 in the equation is silly, you already broken the game by that point.

@@zealgaming8161 Yep and even if you're an ltc player, rescue staff strategies render Galeforce inconsequential. There might be some exceptions to the rule where galeforce in combination with dancer Olivia and rescue helps clear very specific maps quicker that im not thinking of, but its generally pretty overkill and you can usually just 1 turn most kill boss maps fine without it. Even then its a lot of work to even get the skill in the first place. Like put aside for a moment the skills actual viability, nobody even factors in how long it takes to get to that point or the difficulty of it. Having to get to level 15 dark flier sucks. Even if galeforce was as broken as many who praise it, the skill alone should be penalized in its usefulness for the amount of grinding you have to do to obtain it and you miss out on being able to utlilize it for so many chapters where it could've been so useful. If galeforce could reasonably be obtained in the early game, it would've been much better

@@shadownite3378 Mhm. I really want to like Engage, but like Awakening the balance is just whack. And "#¤% those gazillion of Emblem rings, just setting up characters in that game is painful with the choice overload overwhelming me.... But holy shit did the game get a mechanic right with the guard break mechanic. Enemy phasing is bullshit.

But gay male Robin is based 😭🥲

@@DaniDoyle what if gay girl robin

What are you even talking about? I put Robin as best unit in the game, and Miriel cannot even learn galeforce. Shes elevated above the rest of the generics almost entirely for access to 2 range in the early game (specifically chapters 2 and 3), in a similar vein to Virion.

@@DaniDoyle I understand you put female Robin ahead, but male Robin below. I totally agree that male Robin is worse than female Robin, but to put Miriel and Virion in front of him is bait, just like you said in the video. Even without Galeforce, Robin still has the best growth in the game due to veteran, so why would Miriel, who's an extremely average mage at best who comes in after Robin, be ranked higher? I don't really understand the thought process there.

Or! Male robin sexy female robin not hehe

Counterpoint, M;Robin & Chrom is a significantly better support chain than F;Robin & Chrom, The Ylissians survived as long as they did because of Grima’s Inability to kill them, not Grima saving them for last. The entire shepherds were alive at the time of Chrom’s death. Grima (incorrectly) believes Robin is weak willed. Morgan makes the least sense if He is Lucina’s brother, because Morgan has a memory of his fathers face, if Morgan remembers specially an Older Chrom’s face, it doesn’t make sense to say he came from the same timeline Lucina did. Yet Lucina makes no note of her new time travel brother (which is also reason enough to say that Morgan never tried to kill lucina in her own timeline) Furthermore, The Robins have the same personality because they are the same person. And anyone can wear a cloak.

@@samkeiser9776 Counter-counter point. All of Chrom's romantic support chains are pretty bad and of them F!Robin's is the best. So this doesn't really prove anything other than most of Awakening's romantic support conversations sucking, and your therefore comparing an apples to orange style of dialogue chains (romantic vs platonic) Sumia, who is Chrom's most popular non Female Robin, is basically a keep a woman in the kitchen joke mixed with a sexual do you want pie in the English version. It's far worse if you want a direct romantic to Roman conversation chain for Chrom. As with Female Robin, she at least has a backbone and everything is more a comedic romance of equals vs man taking quiet kitchen wife. Further if we go with Male Robin's quality of writing with other female romantic interests, he too has far better support chains than Lucina. As an example him and Cordelia we get two very similar people who have confidence issues helping each other and then falling in love as a result. With Robin and Lucina, it's still a man knowingly trying to date his best friends daughter. It's a really cringy romance support chain. Yes, Lucina does still now have a dilemma with trying to kill Grima through Robin, but it's because she wants sex with him now vs finding out it's her mother who she too was trying to save in the past. Thus the conflict is better written between the two if Robin is her mother vs her lover. As to Morgan, we'll again we just have an issue of bad writing in general across all his potential families. They wrote a bland amnesia plot for him/her to mimic his/her mother/father and there's a few holes in it. Why, because they just basically slapped Morgans support onto both characters, and patched it a bit but didn't think through a few flaws in them doing this. Then did the Future Past DLC with BOTH Morgans alive in the same timeline in the future past, so it doesn't fit either male or female Robin's storyline perfectly... unless they're twins and the opposite gender one to Robin died but it's so sad no one brings it up. So using it as proof of either one being better is just stupid. It's just proof of overall lazy writing and in fact the opposite, them trying to make both Robin's possible and equally valid. Look, Awakening took some lazy story telling routes because of the limitations on 3ds cartridges storage space. They couldn't exactly plan elaborate chains of dialogue for every possible player choice. So they lazily wrote some good enough and fairly similar ones. However if you look at the overall storyline and ignore a few minor flaws that resulted, Female Robin and Chrom by far has the most emotional narrative storyline. Male Robin's is just the self-insert storyline for the majority of the target market back then. If Chrom had been the insert, Female Robin would have been far the most popular pairing for him as she is literally his narrative foil. Further It's just great for Lucia's storyline too. Also calling a bunch of kids strategic geniuses or the remaining Shepherds without Robin... kinda goes against the narrative. They're shown time and time again to need Robin and being amazed by their tactical mind. So I'm sorry but the simplest explanation is Grima was saving them for last, rather than being out started by them.

whats wrong with it?

while technically unique, I don't really see how that's helpful. Thief is a very bad class, basically just a worse version of myrmidon. I'd also argue that anna (who starts in the trickster class) has more than passible bulk, so its not even really unique to a trained and second sealed Kellam.

It lets you marginally save on chest keys for items that most of the time aren't that good anyways! Yeah I never said it was really useful.