I like this approach than a conventional tier list, really feels like you go into the characters expressing their strengths and weaknesses before getting into them

The most helpful Engage tier list I’ve seen. Even just giving the tiers descriptions (not S, A, B, etc.) is a big help. Your justifications are detailed but to the point and you’ve given me a lot of interesting build ideas. Thanks!

This is the first tier list I've mostly agreed with! One fun note about Lindon: he's capable of Vantage/Wrath with magic and is probably the only character who can do it. Forge up and crit engrave an Elthunder and he'll have +20 Crit on just about every enemy after he joins. It's not an *incredible* build but he's uniquely capable of a 3-range Vantage/Wrath setup and it's silly fun.

Didn’t put Lapis into her own tier called high investment, high bapping. 0/10 video. Bapis™️ is not happy.

Your description of Celine snowballing perfectly matched up to my experience. Was unstoppable and then all of a sudden was not worth keeping around. Great video- definitely earned a new subscriber!

"I value the fire more than the fog" sounds like it should be the lyrics to something.

Easily the best and most helpful Engage tier list I've seen so far. Thank you for taking the time to properly analyze and put this together.

Fantastic video. In terms of presentation probably the best tier list available. Just very clear and comprehensive, covering the good and the bad and some potential roles. Not getting too stuck on a single aspect of a characters that are amazing or terrible. Tier lists are of course always going to a bit subjective, and the rating system is different per person but I think this is a very fair list.

I liked this a lot, Really gives good advice on how to use units.

Best character breakdown I've seen yet.

I find Timerra makes a pretty good enemy phase tank on maddening. Enemies will just ignore your units with too much Def or Avo, while Timerra has just enough to get targeted and survive, doing decent counterattack damage.

seadall is probably the best dancer in the series after the herons canter is so insane for a dancer you can make so many plays

Since I used London my first run, I’ll give my opinion. I used him as a filler and while he was nothing special, he is indirectly buffed by how good magic and staves are in engage. Honestly he contributes about the same amount as mauvier. That said he has the same stats as my like 12/3 Anna who I benched in chapter 13, so his utility is more a testament to the power of the freeze staff then anything else.

Super in-depth. Respect on the nerditude.

You kind of forgot to mention that Seadall can chain guard in his dancer class.

The best tier list I've seen. Not bad for a guy who also made a stellar review for the game.

this is ten times better then any other list ive seen, some additional notes: alear - micaiah ring is has a +1 range for staffs on dragon units, rewarp is available for ch9-11. alear's +1 range enables shenanigans like 1 turn ch9 and skipping right behind the door in ch10 on turn 1. getting staff prof for 11 and reclassing means alear can rewarp themselves to the escape point there as well. alear also just supports everyone so the personal skill is even better hortensia - does need 4 lvls for her class skill, and on maddening that will at least be a few chapters seadall - is one of the few strong no investment units that is part of the critical support group, giving +3 crit for C tier and +6 crit for A. this can help crit fishing with either chloe/kage, less notably pandreo/amber/alear/veyle very solid support list and the rest of the crit boosting supports need some investment on top of supporting almost no one relevant amber - can get a knife prof and just insta promote wolf knight fixing both his speed base and growth. I do think he requires a bit more investment since the speed of the chapters after he joins are so fast it's easy for him to get 0-1 levels in 4 chapters chloe - similarly can take a lance prof and promote into wyvern instead, this is super worth noting since it not only basically doubles her str growth but it is also gives +4 str/+3 def/ +4 hp/+2 bld. it doesnt give speed and still feels like a thracia promotion louis - also has a solid option by pivoting to griffin as his personal bases are actually just good and it gives him the speed he needs, while it does hurt his bld he is one of the only characters with good build growth or you can just take the hit and get the extra prof, make him sword griffin, which can be useful later anyways since most engage attacks want a sword. the only real problem with this is waiting till ch9, when you would really want it ch8 or even as early as ch7 mauv - also just has the profs required to instant reclass griffin as well, which also adds a bit of speed. saphir - don't know why you don't mention free merciless, which is a great way to turn hortensia's staff utility into offense by breaking and enemy into a silver great ax hit which is liable to one shot most things (might need a +hit engrave to hit tho). admittedly wont come up too much as many chapters after her join can be completely warp skipped clanne - he's more like less bulk more speed than celine, base 7 vs 8 and he earns more exp so he makes up that 1 point quickly if you use him levin sword - it's just a worse bulganone in most areas, it's more worth to turn an elfire into a bulganone if a unit is mage knight covert lucina - is just not nearly as good as turning damage off using bonded shield with cavalry/flying/qi adept lucina

You mentioned Alear as a Wyvern. This also makes them one of the best Lucina users, especially if you are using Chloe and Ivy, or reclassed Kagetsu to Wyvern. I've had flyer balls tank huge swaths of enemies on maddening. The enemy AI will prioritize archers on them as well, even tho they can't actually kill because if bonded shield making it easier to move your backline into position.

I reached ch13 on maddening yesterday, which I dreaded because of the fliers swooping down from out of the fog of war. I decided to try out using Kagetsu and Zelkov for the first time ever. They were still at base level and class. I gave Kagetsu a spd tonic and a bond ring that gave him +1 spd. He proceeded to kill every single flier all by himself with a steel sword while standing in foliage. Meanwhile Zelkov temporarily equipped the Lyn Emblem and Yunaka's old Micaiah engraved dagger. He singlehandedly led the rest of my team down south to save the house and act as a speedy frontliner that baited out the enemy wolf riders and sword fighters from the shadows while applying poison. Needless to say, after these two trivialized majority of ch13 I now wholeheartedly agree that they're very strong. I can't believe I gimped my first maddening run by skipping over them last time.

I actually think diamant is a really rewarding unit I played deployed him in every map since he was playable and gave him the ike emblem he was a monster in tanking physical damage and dealing damage he even one rounded some end game armor knights with a silver sword so plus he doubled everything except for a few pegasus knights and swordmaster. I personally would put him higher

On the Rosado thing: if you’re, hypothetically, like me, and didn’t really do many paralogues until after getting him, you still have a ton of time to level him up, even though it’s technically in the late midgame when he comes. His str, speed, and def starts absolutely snowballing if you do this, and he can easily get 30-35 strength and speed and defense in the 30s by the end of the game

Just wanna leave a comment on the fact that I found this list very insightful and I appreciate it.

This was a great video! Gave me a lot of good ideas for building my units. I personally found Timerra to be super tanky and fun, but I might be biased since I did invest in her.

With Jean, the difference from taking him from martial monk to lvl 10 vs axe fighter lvl 10 (the highest pre-promo str growth class), is 2 str (1.8 if you want to be technical, a growth of 10(20) vs 20(40)). Of the promoted classes, only berserker exceeds 20(40), and between the levin sword and the radiant bow, Jean isnt throwing away what magic he has either.

Thank you. This video have better explanation dan layout compare to other ones.

Timerra is the only one I disagree with - I think you're undervaluing her tanking, possibly because of her build issues that you kind of have to just suck up and not give her a heavy weapon until you get Lief back for her. Lindon probably is in the correct place having used him myself. He's got an okay gimmick vantage wrath elthunder build, and is an okay contributer with either dire thunder or Thoron/Elthunder Draconic hex. Edit: Otherwise, great list! I much prefer this way of rating units to forcing the arbitrary and unhelpful letter rankings.

I'm a proud Framme main. I don't know about doing a maddening run, but if I did, I know I would want to have her by my side. 😊

In my maddening run (which was my first ever playthrough), I kept Veyle in her base class and she was insane. I gave her avoid 30 and speedtaker and kept her with Marth and would engage+ with her and Alear and the two of them absolutely carried me through the endgame. I see what you mean by the support capabilities for the two of them being dragons, but for me they were the complete nukes of the team and easily were my MVPs late game.

Really great guide! One thing you might want to consider is the value of Draconic Hex. Especially with Saphir and Lindon, they can immediately inherit it, and their access to the Longbow / Thunder means they can safely debuff annoying enemies, especially bosses. Not sure if it’s better than Lucina’s skill on Saphir, though.

The thing with Timera is that, if you lean into using her primarily as an enemy phase tank to protect your backline, you don't have to worry to much about whether sandstorm procs or not, but it's usually a huge swing when it does, and if you position Great Aether well, you can pretty safely bank on at least one or two surprise procs when the enemy density gets high in the late game.

Funny enough, Diamant/Jean/Anna ended up being my strongest and most useful units. I’m glad I invested in them even if they weren’t the most ideal.

I recently started my maddening run and I gotta say how much I love engages mechanics. You've always been able to make bad units good with investment but this game really feels like you can use any and everyone however you want. Sure some are better, but there are just so many options you have its fun to experiment.

Really great guide and perspective. I completely agree with this ideology that all units have an investment bar but aren't actually unusable or must bench in comparison. Engage is really generous with exp and has a lot of options for customisation and usage due to the rings. That being said as a LTC fan boy, you gotta love low investment high return units haha. SP is a bitch to farm.

Celine with chrom is a no brainer

Recently finished my blind maddening playthrough. Something I appreciated about Saphir is her rather insane starting Build stat of 15. She wasnt stellar or anything but I could at least throw a +Hit Tomohawk on her and not need to care for the weight all that much, a trait I think only Diamant shared in my playthrough.

Now THIS is my kind of tier list. And maybe also Pod Racing.

Ty for a nice tier list, the funny thing is all u need in this game is alier + Mav ring and dawn emgra killer sword to almost 100% evade....later on u can inherit some more defense skill or the one prevent u getting chain attacked....u can solo the untire game with just alier lol

Whith dlc the tier of early game filler, can be great return thanks to tiki, veronica and edelgard, that give more stats per level, more sp, more exp, whith tiki and veronica or edelgard you can have a powerhouse of levels and habilites, plus an early acense of clas give you tons of stats

rosado is a beast in my army but I didn't do several paralogues before recruiting him 'cause I wanted to save that xp for him, I also gave him several stat-boosters, but still

Something to note about Alcryst: I find that he's decent from his recruit through midgame but his low strength can make him fall off, even with Luna, but rather than benching him you can transition him to a good Byleth user, as, other than Dragon, Covert has one of the best versions of Instruct/Goddess Dance in the game but such a small pool of potential users since most Covert classes leave a lot to be desired

if you like using chloé, i gotta reccomend a martial master reclass. having a second qi adept is not only just nice, but her personal skill and growths synergize really well with the class. you get the silver-spirit art for free the chapter right before you get access to art proficiency(w/ no DLC), so she can use that to great effect. or you could refine it into the flashing fist art. alternatively, sigurd engraving the ch9 steel-hand art and then refining it to silver is a decent option for alear until you get chloé to martial master, and the -1 WT and +1 MT on the then refined flashing-fist art helps her not lose out on one-rounds until you can slap erika on her

I watched coffees tier as well as this one. I consider this list considerably more thoughtful.

I'd like to note that Great Knight Goldmary is a pretty low investment cavalry bonded shield user. Bulky enough and not that slow so it's not all that hard to have the AI attacking the shielded units instead of her with 1-2 range on.

Personally I used Anna as a Sage in my Maddening run, and while she does die if an enemy so much as farts in her general direction, she can kill everything else, or at least deal a massive chunk of HP with similar ease or even use the Freeze/Silence staff to turn them off for a turn, and using Soren enabled her to take off entire boss health bars before they could even do anything

Ive done Maddening twice now and both times I've used Timerra, I promoted her as soon as I could and gave her Lyn and Speed +4 plus all my dex/def boosters. Now this is pretty high investment I think but the return was good. Sandstorm seemed pretty consistent to me once I gave her a forged Brave Lance and Lyn + Speed +4 made her quad pretty often, once I got Sigurd back she could let go of Lyn and was truly my best unit in both my Maddening runs, even the one where I fed Alear early and used Kagetsu who I didnt use my 1st time. Alcryst was in a similar boat but he needed a lot less investment and just grew on his own, though Luna never felt as strong as Sandstorm.

This is a pretty good list. I'm sad to see Celine so low but I can understand why. Another boon of hers imo is also just how versatile she is with rings. She can use Celica, Sigurd, Soren, even tanks like Hector, and the newly released Chrom. Its nice having options for her if you do use her since a lot of good rings can be up for contention.

How is Anna a Project? I took her into two chapters after recruitment to get her to level 10 using the regular Micaiah heal strat, then Master Seal her into Warrior and immediately Second Seal her into Mage Knight. With a levin sword and an early Elfire (upgraded Fire) she carries your ass for the rest of the game since her Mag stat only gets better and better :) I consider that medium investment cause she needs no inherited skills or anything expensive until lategame.

the background music started to drive me crazy around 35 mins in lol

After nearing the end of my third playthrough on maddening(my second playthrough being one that banned all use of Somniel-exclusive features such as skill inheritance, refining, engraving, etc, and my third being an Ironman run with no Time Crystal use), I can say that this is probably the most accurate list I’ve seen of Engage. There’s not a single placement I disagree with and the reasonings you gave for each one were pretty spot on to how I’ve felt with each character. However, one thing I feel that could’ve been mentioned is how having a high HP stat is very valuable in this game due to wyrms ignoring Def/Res. This makes units with low HP such as Citrinne and Lapis have a harder time getting in chip damage against wyrms in fear of being OHKO’d on retaliation, while units like Panette being able to ORKO them even without help from an emblem. This isn’t enough to change the placement of any units, but just another thing to consider. Keep up the great content!

I'm playing on Hard for my first run, but will be tackling Maddening next. What you said about Yunaka made me curious. You mention enemies not hitting units that they have 0 chance of hitting on maddening (I know it's the same with DEF that's too high). If a unit like this is the only unit that you have in enemy range, will they still head towards them even if they decide not to attack? Or will they just stay still even when in range? Basically I'm wondering if you can still pull enemies.

Definitely like this style of video giving impressions on roles and investments instead of this unit good, this one bad type of tierlist.

I still haven't used him, but I think Alcryst has to be in Great Retun, Help Needed solely because he comes with Luna and it can proc using Lyn's Emblem Ring ability per arrow from 10 spaces away. Overall though, I think this is the best tier list I've seen. I'm always stunned when Hortensia is not in the highest tier next to Seadall.

Framme has been one of my best units in both my maddening runs, her solo staff access means that getting her those first few levels isn't particularly hard, by the time I've gotten Micaiah she's a bit behind still, but not not terrible, like 4-5 to others' 6-8. After that, especially if you forge her an art, she has some pretty good combat potential even if you have to baby her just a smidge and someone else can become the primary healer. So she definitely takes work, but the main reason I think it's worth doing so is because her growths make her one of only a few good Qi Adepts. and while being one range locked is an issue, Qi Adapts/Master Monks have automatic brave access, and some of the best emblem sync effects, and staff access gives them good adaptable utility. Rosado's even growths also make him extremely viable for Master Monk, but for me it's a class that I always want one but never two. so.... That said I liked this tier list format and yeah, I agree that everyone can be viable, there aren't any units that I'd place in (more traditional styled tier list's) poop tier, and that isn't something that can be said for all or even most of the games lol

I see your point about the swordmaster class being meh but funny Kagetsu crit animations are too cool to pass up.

Zelkov does indeed * require * high investment.

Craaap…I am having problem with Timerra too, I really like her too.

I think I'm using Amber wrong. After watching this guide I decided to use him in a run through, but hes not that tanky, not that strong, not that fast, so I'm struggling to have him be useful on player or enemy phase. I Gave him a bunch of the stat boosts too... I Have him as a halberdier right now (not using brave lance yet though), am around ch 15/16, and have the Ike emblem on him. Is he only useful as halberdier with brave lance?

Time-stamp 7:10 - Pandreo, Mage Knight or Sage. Good Emblems: Byleth or Corrin. Byleth gives increased magic range, apparently. Corrin gives mystical Fire terrain, which is useful for every map.) You want him as a magic attacker because of his high magic and speed. Mage Knight is good for Levin Sword; Pandreo is a great candidate for Levin Sword. For endgame, transition into Bolganone for more damage. Overall, he kills off low resistance enemies with ease, and diminishes mid-resistance enemies for weaker allies to finish them off. 21:30 - Amber! Great strength, horrible speed. Amber can be a Halberdier, with Ike-Emblem that lets him survive doubling attacks. Halberdier with Brave Lance can result in quad-attacks because the Halberdier’s special ability allows doubling attacks. (Possibly, to fix his speed, you can give him the Lyn-Emblem.) 22:40, 23:00, 23:39 - Chloe can benefit from Marth’s Mercurius. Near the endgame, have Chloe kill many enemies with Mercuris for extra experience gain, which can allow her to snowball and catch up with her lacking Strength. Around the midgame, her strength falls off. One solution is to make her a Griffin Knight with Levin Sword. Chloe benefits from Eirika Emblem. 39:00 - Lapis works well with Roy or Eirika, and Lapis is a better Thief than Yunaka.

It's a bit of investment but I like using the Camilla engrave on a killer bow and inherit brute force from Chrom for Alcryst.

I'm surprised Alcryst isn't higher on the list. He's my personal MVP in my current Maddening run. He did immediately fall off on both my hard mode runs, but that's basically because I under-used him by merit of him being an archer.

Try handing Timerra a Javy +4 and give her Speed+3 + Dex+4 and she will double almost everything in enemy phase :) She is a better tank than regular tanks cause at some point they just get ignored for their hogh DEF / AVO.

One unique thing I'd like to point out about Celine is that she's the only Mystic unit that has access to Swords until a promotion to Mage Knight. This means she can make use of Lodestar Rush with a Greatblade and it deals magic damage instead of physical. Very good for early game boss killing.

Lapis for me has worked great as a wyvern, fixes her strength and maintains great speed

Jean is fun. I'd personally say he's just better than Framme or at least has a better outlook than her. I just used him as a staffer/chain guarder and even brought him back after mid game as chain guarding is really helpful for baiting, or avoiding being one rounded (unless the enemy crits on the follow up hit).

Loved the way you approached this list, you explained everyone really well. I gave Framme a Deirdre S ring on my current Maddening run, and it let her chain guard pretty much every turn. Made a lot of maps much easier than they otherwise would have been.

During my first maddening run, I made what might be a questionable choice, and gave Louis all the speedwings throughout the game. I promoted him to Great Knight at Lv.10 and was internal level 48 when I finished the game. His speed before any other boosts, was 23. Eating speed meals, and emblem bonuses, kept him below the doubling threshold for most enemies. So he stayed the phenominal early game physical tank... for basically the entire game for me. Was it efficient? No, but I had fun using him.

This is gonna sound crazy but I did a Crit Warrior Build with Lindon and it’s working.

The best reclass for Lapis is probably Wyvern. Axes and Wyvern growths patch her strength nicely, and she keeps sword access for easy doubling.

My slow Ivy ended up being good because I said 'what if I just give her every spirit dust' lmao Was on hard, but even then her damage was still ridiculous

See timera in the low tier while she's one of my best units 😳

Framme is actually one of the free-est units ever. She's on staff and chain guard duty so she doesn't compete with anyone for exp, she literally becomes unkillable as a bonded shield user due to her stellar supports list, and yes, all this is on maddening, and she'll be able to quad enemies as a martial master with the brave fist wep to immediately get her engage meter back and abuse bonded shield again. All this for the extremely, relative to return, low cost of a _single_ master seal and the lucina emblem ring who no damage carry wants to use anyway

Timerra isn't a high investment unit at all. You only need to promote her and leave Ike on her and she is a pretty good enemy phase tank, you could also use Sigurd on her since he improves her dex and defence for sandstorm activation, but you'll maybe need to fix her streght a bit so you don't have to rely on the skill too often, speedtaker is just fine to make her speed snowball. I don't know if this list was made before well update, if that's the case I understand the "weapon" problem, but with the well you can just had her a forged Represaille lance and she'll be fast while also doing good damage.

I like using Timerra. To me, the key thing with her is not making Sandstorm consistent, it's using her as a late game tank. I pump up her speed and her defense. She can take a bunch of hits without the res and armour weaknesses of Louis etc, and is never getting doubled. Sandstorm becomes more of a free bonus, letting her sometimes vaporise an enemy. It's not something I rely on, but if she doesn't kill an enemy it's no biggy, and she can contribute with her chain assists too. Sandstorm makes defense bonuses more valuable on her too. She pairs perfectly with Ike imo.

Besides Martial Master and Mage Knight for Mauiver any other cool classes to promote him into?

Been using boucheron all game long, as a warrior he gets a lot of speed and build, he regularly quads enemies with brave axe and axe power 5 is viable now thanks to scrolls, so he ends up doing absurd damage

I buyed the game a few days ago and i started at madening difficulty because im expirenced in FF games. I remember playing fates was like solving math problems XD Was like switch class every 2 or 3 level to another to get the skills from that class then switch to another and at level 18 switch to your final class for that skills. Also watch growth rates and to make godlike childs was math too. But i have to say i dont like the chars design in that game that mutch. Fates had some of the coolest chars ever for me like Takumi, Camilla, Saizo, Kagero, Nina, Velouria and so on ;) Also most of the chars had cool or strange personality like Odin, Midori, Forrest, Shiro and so on. In this game every one is a cry baby and excuses himself in like every dialog its like a telenovela XD

I started a hard mode random growths playthrough (i know, not maddening, not real, call me out, whatever) Wanted to use alfred cause he turned out fine for me on normal Man hit one speed level out of the 12 levels i gave him. The rng screw is hilarious.

If you are talking fixed growths, both Rosado and Chloe have higher growth stat totals, and in their good stats. That makes them already lower investment.

Seadall’s probably the best dancer in the series(beyond the FE4 and heron dancers) because he can actually survive a hit. Granted his bulk isn’t massive, but unlike olivia or azura, you don’t have to terminally keep him out of enemy range. He consistently survived hits in my hard mode playthrough(though he wasn’t a tank).

someone suggested jade mage knight and my jade camilla put in some work! (I did give her starsphere from tiki tho)

I've played though Engage five times now and either i keep getting extremely lucky with alcryst or im subconsciously investing in him because all I do is give him a killer bow and he sweeps

in my playthrough diamant was the f*cking goat. he would dodge or counter nearly every attack that came his way.

Wyvern Alear is great, but wolfknight Alear pops off so well too.

I hadn't considered byleth Anna for money, but I finally byleth to be a pretty good emblem for mystics with the funny sniper rifle staff anyways

Amazing video! I feel like your thoughts echo mine a lot. I also want to say THANK YOU for the Fogado praise. Fogado while not the best at anything is incredibly flexible as a unit and has multiple viable build paths and options. I like to have him just use the Radiant Bow, and his good strength means he can usually 1RKO mages with a Silver Sword or Silver Bow and can inherit even base Alacrity to avoid counters from Mages. Also thank you for saying Pandreo is magic Kagetsu. I love my party duo so much! I also want to say Citrinne uses Lyn really well if you're willing to let her have it. The very big +3 speed from Mage Knight promotion and Chaos Style giving another +3 makes her speed a lot better than it initially seems. As long as you aren't using too many Speedtaker units, Citrinne can get kills really easily with her high magic, and start doubling most midspeed enemies while usually at least avoiding being doubled by the faster enemies. I like to let Citrinne use Dire Thunder early game, and pass it off to Ivy once Lyn joins as imo Lyn is not enough to make Ivy good but Lyn is enough for Citrinne. Ivy also sometimes needs to spend a turn healing or using another broken staff where Citrinne on Mage Knight can focus on getting speedtaker kills.

Okay, maybe Emblem Eirika is just THAT good, but my reclassed Wolf Rider Yunaka was able to one round a good deal of enemies and devastate late game bosses all with a Steel Dagger +4. I was thinking maybe she was blessed in STR, but Maddening forces you into fixed the first time you play it. (I used Merrin, too. Yunaka eclipsed her offensively. I did put Speedtaker on her, though. Maybe that carried)

I'm a little confused by the tiers here, surely low investment should be higher up as low investment is better than high investment given an equal/equivalent return?

This is definitely arbitrary, but shouldn't great return, low investment be a higher tier than great return, high investment? Or is the implication that GRHI has a higher return in general?

I learned that I should not feel guilty for constantly letting certain characters die in their join chapter. ty lol

Pannete with Ike is just broken in hard and lower difficulties

idk how but my wyvern lapis with folkvangr+5 is insane. tiki might have helped a bit. also follvangr is probably unnecessary

Great informative video, gave me a lot of ideas for any future playthroughs. I would argue that Alcryst belongs in Great Return, high investment. On my second playthrough (maddening), I stuck Lyn on Alcryst, inherited canter and gave him a killer bow that i eventually max forged. He went through an awkward mid game for 5 or so chapters where he was one of my weaker deploys. By the time i got to late game, he was very strong. At that point, I used a couple books to get him enough sp to inherit lunar brace. And my god. He doubled everything with a crit rate of 90%, and with Luna proc about 80-90% of the time, he could delete literally any unit on the map at any time, surpassing even Pannette and Kagetsu. I'm aware that I invested heavily in him, but I'd argue with the exception of Kagetsu, no usable unit gets as much from high investment than he does. Absolutely carried my endgame.

The only thing that I think is way off pm this tier list is Alcryst, which I would definitely put into high investment great return. Alcryst needs mainly Dex and Spd to get going which he can get from Lyn and is probably the best Lyn user in the game. But can ultimately become a combat unit better than other units in that tier with a very similar amount of investment

I will say that while I did have to put a lot of work into annah her overall usefulness later on felt well worth it bunch of money and when she is given that mage role with some attention given to her she is SO good at it

I think you were a bit too unfair with alcryst. Luna brave bow is only one route to take, i personally gave him a killer bow and having him one round enemies that would normally take 0 dmg was so funny. I know lyn is also a highly sought out emblem but he synergizes really really well with her. I think the returns you get are really high if you invest a few refinements tbqh

Framme is fine for her base class because that’s the only thing martial master care about long term. They’ll never do much damage without eirika emblem

32:16 I can’t tell if you were trying to say “Celica” here or not bc that doesn’t sound right at all lol

I can get at least a 93% crit with the Lindon I have Hold Out/Wrath, give him a forged Killer Axe as a Mage Knight so he can still use magic of course And it works almost right away since Killer Axe is a C rank weapon and every enemy is going to have a B and above so Weapon Instincts will still activate. I suggest using Eirika for when you engrave it (or Camilla if you have the DLC) You'll have to wait on Hold Out because of a lack of Roy at that point of the game, but hey, Vantage/Wrath is still good since you get Leif a solid 2 levels before Roy XD

I have never reclassed Alear before from Divine Dragon. Maybe I should?

Proof that any unit can be made good, Framme’s growths are similar to Chloé’s, she has less hp growth and has 30% strength and 25% magic instead of Chloé’s 25% strength and 35% magic. Chloé’s bases and growths are better, but she’s not super ahead of framme, she’s definitely ahead just not so much Framme can’t catch up to her bases and grow about as well as her. Forges also can legitimately fix framme’s bad early game offense, and she can go high priest if she wants to additionally gain tomes. Is it optimal, no, but it’s not hard.