First Principles Of Tennis: Push VS Pull Contact Point You Have To Feel/See To Believe

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Natural Tennis Solutions

Natural Tennis Solutions

2 жыл бұрын

In this video we go to the unknown. At least that's what this was for me. We explore the First principles of Tennis: Push vs Pull Contact Point You Have To Feel/See To Believe. We reach a point with the pulling part of our swing that creates a different type of contact point. The racket face gets pulled across the ball to create side spin on the tennis ball. What does this mean and where does this take us on our journey to find the loosest most consistent swing in our tennis games? I for sure want to find out. Do you?

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@papayanut
@papayanut 2 жыл бұрын
You are definitely onto something here. This is something I discover through the brutal process of building my forehand. I've always wondered how such an important element of the forehand (push vs pull) is often overlooked by these online coaches and its so obvious that the pros are pulling when you watch them in slow-mo.
@NaturalTennisSolutions
@NaturalTennisSolutions 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the comment Jae-Rae. It seems almost impossible to miss this but I guess it only becomes apparent when you can feel what you're doing and actually explain it to someone else. Most professional players can't teach you how they do what they do because it's so automatic that they forgot how they learned it in the first place. A lot of the time they get taught a very simple technique and with time spent on repetitions, while getting looser, it just evolves beyond the original teaching to something unique for that player that cannot be taught to someone else. I still believe that coaches don't pay enough attention to the tension in their students swings. I'm trying to figure this out but it's not easy. I do feel like I'm on the right track but it will take a lot of mistakes to get there. We can only get there if we try. We're only ready for the information, when we're ready for the information. Good luck and stay loose!
@Chad-dl3yn
@Chad-dl3yn 2 жыл бұрын
Every trained high performance junior i have hit has sidespin in their groundstrokes in addition to heavy-topspin, so you hit the nail in bud.
@NaturalTennisSolutions
@NaturalTennisSolutions 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the comment Chad. This is good information to have. So if the sidespin is part of the high performance skill set then there could be a reason to know this information. Thanks for the boost in confidence! Good luck and stay loose!
@hadytjiptahardja8281
@hadytjiptahardja8281 6 ай бұрын
You are the only tennis coach whom explains so deep and in details. With Pull contact point explanation, now I can understand why i need to be loose and need to bend my wrist. You’re the best … 👍
@orangecoolius
@orangecoolius 2 ай бұрын
Could be semantics, but it's more of a coil and a PUSH than a PULL. If you internalize a "pulling" motion, you'll break the kinetic chain, will be late often, and mishit often by trying to muscle the ball. You don't bring the racket back with your arm (which you would if pulling); the key is COILING or TWISTING to get the racket face pointing to side fence, and then pushing off the ground with legs, uncoiling (fire your hips) and going forward with a loose hand (to get racket lag) with more of a pushing feeling along an inside-out path (hand near your pocket). Applies to golf as well. 5.0 here.
@at1838
@at1838 2 жыл бұрын
Love it! “ Stay loose! Tennis is a martial art! “ should greet visitors to the tennis academy of the gods ; )
@NaturalTennisSolutions
@NaturalTennisSolutions 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the comment A T. I'm a huge martial arts fan. I definitely feel like I'm doing martial arts out on the tennis court when I'm moving around and setting up with the legs and letting everything go on the swing. I'm assuming that in martial arts the moves are done with the intent of being loose to get good acceleration and release. Good luck and stay loose!
@juicetest
@juicetest 2 жыл бұрын
pulling allows the racket head to work for you and not vice versa. good point coach
@NaturalTennisSolutions
@NaturalTennisSolutions 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the comment juicetest. Exactly, the racket has very high end technology in it, why not take advantage of it? Good luck and stay loose!
@juicetest
@juicetest 2 жыл бұрын
@@NaturalTennisSolutions Pushing will not give you access to the benefits of a full swing racket. so good thing to identify for adults.
@user-wx2nm2hi5p
@user-wx2nm2hi5p Жыл бұрын
All I have to do is pulling ok? I think it will be very helpful. Push, hit, strike is not a good way doing forehand. Just pulling makes us stronger player..
@NaturalTennisSolutions
@NaturalTennisSolutions 10 ай бұрын
Thanks for the comment user-wx2nm2hi5p. I hope the video helps. Good luck and stay loose!
@MyFlamingoe
@MyFlamingoe 2 жыл бұрын
Totally agree. You can't create a natural racket lag without pulling the racket and every pro will have racket lag in their forehands. The sidespin will only happen if you have a horizontal racket path. If you want topspin, just use a more diagonal racket path. Easy.
@NaturalTennisSolutions
@NaturalTennisSolutions 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the comment wondawonda. It's all about the racket path. Sounds like you know your stuff! Good luck and stay loose!
@sriniviswanathan8523
@sriniviswanathan8523 2 жыл бұрын
Very nice explanation , I am going to practice this style more and more. 👍
@NaturalTennisSolutions
@NaturalTennisSolutions 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the comment Srini. Let me know what you feel is good or bad from the movement. Good luck and stay loose!
@KTR147
@KTR147 2 жыл бұрын
From my perspcetive, you are 'on point' ... The perfect exsample of this is Federer's forehand. Also, Oscar Wegner has a similar approach to teaching groundstrokes. Thanks for all you do!
@NaturalTennisSolutions
@NaturalTennisSolutions 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the comment K B. I believe I saw Oscar Wegner describe a method that had something to do with pulling back on contact. It perfectly describes what snapping the wrist would be. Nadal would be the perfect example of snapping the wrist as he pulls the racket back and up to finish with most of his forehands. Good luck and stay loose!
@CrazyVideos35
@CrazyVideos35 Жыл бұрын
This is awesome 👏
@NaturalTennisSolutions
@NaturalTennisSolutions Жыл бұрын
Thanks for your comment Naren. Let me know if you've found some improvement in your hitting. Good luck and stay loose!
@pjakobsen
@pjakobsen 2 жыл бұрын
Great explanation
@NaturalTennisSolutions
@NaturalTennisSolutions 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the comment P Jakobsen. Hope it helped. Good luck and stay loose!
@henrytoussant9385
@henrytoussant9385 2 жыл бұрын
Nuts. Should be attacking the ball from the inside with a lagged racquet, so as the racquet approaches the ball it squares up with the ball, not going across, but extending through the ball, which makes your circular path as wide as possible, see Rafa.
@matthewoh6202
@matthewoh6202 2 жыл бұрын
That’s what I was thinking…
@papayanut
@papayanut 2 жыл бұрын
The guy was just explaining how that inside-out side spin is created when he said hit across the ball. He literally said don't judge yet as he has not explained the topspin portion.
@henrytoussant9385
@henrytoussant9385 2 жыл бұрын
@@papayanut He literally asked at the end of the video if he was nuts, so I answered. Regardless of any topspin component to come, approaching the ball from the outside and going inwards across is a recipe for a weak ball.
@NaturalTennisSolutions
@NaturalTennisSolutions 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the comment Henry. You're right, I did ask if you think I'm nuts. I have my reasons for putting this idea out there. I'm not sure I agree with the going through the ball aspect of the swing if you're putting topspin on the ball. When I think through the ball I always picture the flat push type of shot. If we want control and spin there has to be a gripping aspect of the contact point. Let's just see where this is going and hopefully you'll see something that may be different or maybe you already know something I don't know. Either way, it's an opportunity for us to learn from each other. Do you agree about the wrist looseness on the swing? Good luck and stay loose!
@ruggerosale
@ruggerosale 2 жыл бұрын
I think you’re really on to something here 👍
@NaturalTennisSolutions
@NaturalTennisSolutions 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the comment Ruggero. I appreciate your open mind about there being a possibility of something being found here. Worst case is we can at least check something off the list of what not to do. Good luck and stay loose!
@nihile_tropes
@nihile_tropes 2 жыл бұрын
First pro player that came to mind when I heard your explanation is Opelka - he always has loads of outwards side spin in his forehand.
@NaturalTennisSolutions
@NaturalTennisSolutions 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the comment Stefan. I tried to find some video of Opelka court level forehands but I couldn't find any. If you have a certain video, please let me know. I have definitely seen Djokovic hit some side spin backhands as well as Federer in some court level videos. I wish I had the patience to learn to edit videos so I could show some of this in action. Maybe I can find some videos and have someone edit it for me to show this. I'm glad you already had an idea of a player you remember doing this though. Good luck and stay loose!
@lloydmacaya3311
@lloydmacaya3311 2 жыл бұрын
Actually tiafoe and kachanov have a similar backswing with a loose wrist too
@jflow5601
@jflow5601 23 күн бұрын
Loose yes. Pull to me is a confusing term.. More like accelerating racket head at point of contact. Push is more like not accelerating at point of contact. More acceleration, more force on the ball. F = mA
@guitarvideos7109
@guitarvideos7109 2 жыл бұрын
Hi Gene, great video. I have a problem, when I have a loose grip on the racket, my wrist is also loose, but when I hit the ball, my racket is so loose that I don't get a clean impact. When I grip my racket firmer, I get a good, clean and firm impact but my wrist is stiffer and she doesn't have that mobility that you show in your video. Do you have any tips to fix this?
@NaturalTennisSolutions
@NaturalTennisSolutions 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the comment and question Guitar videos. The key to this is to loosen the wrist up as much as possible while keeping the grip as firm as you need it to get your clean hit. I will assume that you don't have the pulling aspect of the swing and that may be why you have this issue. If you are pulling the racket with a loose wrist, the swing should make your racket pull across the ball for a millisecond to get the clean contact at a square face contact point. Keeping the racket as square as possible will lead to clean hits. Hopefully that makes sense. Good luck and stay loose!
@papayanut
@papayanut 2 жыл бұрын
Once you have an early contact point and good racket head speed coming into the contact, it's all about extending to that target and turning that wrist closed to finish things off.
@NaturalTennisSolutions
@NaturalTennisSolutions 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the comment again Jae-Rae. Agreed, turning the wrist is the key element. That's a big problem if your wrist is tight though. It won't turn in its natural movement pattern if it's tight. That's why the windshield wiper terminology is lost on most players that try it. The wrist should be loose when doing it so it can turn smoothly not abruptly if it's tight. This game is already very difficult without having to deal with technique on the brain while we play. Let's hope we can figure something out with this crazy path I'm on right now. Worst case is we just say this is something not to do and cross it off the list. Good luck and stay loose!
@papayanut
@papayanut 2 жыл бұрын
@@NaturalTennisSolutions Agreed! I didn't really have an issue with being tight because it's was something I discovered through repition and adjusting to what felt right as opposed to trying to manufacture that windshield wiper motion because a coach said so. I also think you can get to a point where being loose is overexaggerated though because while that's important there has to be some stability and control which being too loose can compromise. Personally I prefer the term 'relaxed' than 'loose.'
@mericusta1988
@mericusta1988 Жыл бұрын
Tiafoe must have watched this
@NaturalTennisSolutions
@NaturalTennisSolutions Жыл бұрын
Thanks for the comment Meric. I wish! This has definitely been a secret of the pro game for a long time, if it's actually a thing. I believe it is part of the pro stroke but there's much more research to do. Good luck and stay loose!
@mericusta1988
@mericusta1988 Жыл бұрын
For the first time in my life I tried to let my wrist completely loose yesterday. First few minutes, balls were flying all over. But once I realized the importance of earlier preparation and an started using the legs more, it was sort of like magic. It was half the effort, double the penetration, and none of the arm pain. All without losing precision. Clearly it will take time to calibrate. But thank you for the video. I said to my self " I wasn't really playing tennis before".I even got the bonus of a cool and long follow through, which I always envied in the pros.(hopefully)
@NaturalTennisSolutions
@NaturalTennisSolutions Жыл бұрын
Wow, thanks for the update Meric Usta. I had avoided letting my wrist go for the longest time thinking it would have many repercussions but I'm so glad I took the leap. I'm glad you got to experience what it is to really feel how to swing at a ball instead of just trying to hit it. I think the most amazing part of it is how effortless it can feel. Now you can see how the pros can play for a long time and not have their arms fall off. I hope your progression goes well. Please keep me updated. Good luck and stay loose!
@tomsd8656
@tomsd8656 2 жыл бұрын
It's never explained like this to me, but from just the instruction of hitting the modern forehand, this pulling motion is natural in the inside out, or down the line forehand, which you would want the side spin. But it's a different motion for cross court. You can't pull this way for cross court. Besides you would want the side spin to go the other direction for cross court. So the path should either be a push or a whip.
@NaturalTennisSolutions
@NaturalTennisSolutions 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the comment Tom. There are definitely pieces to this that still need to be explored. I understand your point about a cross court shot. Remember that the pulling part of the swing is not natural to most players. This is why we need to go out and explore how to feel certain pieces of the swing to make it feel as relaxed as possible. Good luck and stay loose!
@tomsd8656
@tomsd8656 2 жыл бұрын
@@NaturalTennisSolutions Thanks for pointing this out. The reason for me it's natural is because I would not be able to hit an inside out forehand without pulling like you explained, so my inside out FH does have side spin. However, I never thought of it that way, and now I realized I should do the same motion for down the line too. I saw a clip of Kyrgios doing just that, even though he didn't hit down the line, just a straight shot down the center part of the court. But his shot has side spin in addition to top spin.
@baccarani1507
@baccarani1507 2 жыл бұрын
Time 6.30/6.50 where Gene explain the most important part. If you watch the following video that's where all things become clear.
@NaturalTennisSolutions
@NaturalTennisSolutions 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the comment Rudy. You caught the part that most players will overlook. We are supposed to keep the ball on our strings as long as possible. The only way to do it is to add as much spin as possible to the ball and feeling the shape that it will make when we move our body a certain way. Shaping is the true way to understand how to control a tennis ball. I will elaborate in due time. Good luck and stay loose!
@timnguyen1925
@timnguyen1925 2 жыл бұрын
Hi Gene, I tried your pull technique and my forehand improved immediately. But my wrist started hurting. Could it be because I snapped my wrist at the contact point instead of firming it at the contact then release it. My normal forehand is like Jimmy Connors. Hold the firm wrist through out contact.
@NaturalTennisSolutions
@NaturalTennisSolutions 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the comment Tim. The wrist release is definitely different than holding it firm at contact which can change the way your wrist ligaments and tendons get stretched. I had some pain as well but nothing that hurt enough to make me stop playing. I asked one of my clients who is a hand surgeon about the pain and he said as long as it's not hurting every time you swing or even when you're not swinging that the tendons and ligaments should get used to the stretching and the pain will subside. As long as you're not over swinging with speed you should be ok. As for me, my wrist is used to the extra stretching and it's doing well and not hurting even though I have increased the speed that I swing at now. I can swing very fast and gain a lot of spin and speed with no pain since I got used the swing and am using my body correctly. It's a new world on the court now with how this works for me. It's the most fun I've ever had on court! Good luck and stay loose!
@MinhDuongChon
@MinhDuongChon 8 ай бұрын
@@NaturalTennisSolutions How many grams of racket do you use? I use a 430g screwdriver and the results are also very good
@honkeyness9427
@honkeyness9427 2 жыл бұрын
Nice
@NaturalTennisSolutions
@NaturalTennisSolutions 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the comment honkeyness. Hope you're doing well! Good luck and stay loose!
@tamiltennisdiary
@tamiltennisdiary 2 жыл бұрын
Good info. But watch in 1.5X speed and thank me later. 😂😅
@NaturalTennisSolutions
@NaturalTennisSolutions 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the comment and suggestion Tamil. I watched it at 1.5 times and LOL! I actually wish I could present videos at that speed in real life. It would definitely not put so many people to sleep when they watch my videos. I may have to start suggesting it during my videos for people that can't stay focused long enough through my slow presentations. Good luck and stay loose!
@tamiltennisdiary
@tamiltennisdiary 2 жыл бұрын
@@NaturalTennisSolutions Great video for sure. Thanks for considering my feedback
@room1recording
@room1recording 2 жыл бұрын
If you don’t let the wrist go just before contact then you will never extend that window where the ball is on the strings.
@NaturalTennisSolutions
@NaturalTennisSolutions Жыл бұрын
Thanks for your comment again Barry. I definitely let my wrist go to the point of too much but now I know I'm letting it go correctly. It's a funny thing when we have to test things out and what we're willing to risk to get the answers we need. I will definitely have more discoveries to share as I keep going down this rabbit hole. Good luck and stay loose!
@FairwayJack
@FairwayJack Жыл бұрын
like
@mowghlee
@mowghlee 2 жыл бұрын
Wrist injury ??
@NaturalTennisSolutions
@NaturalTennisSolutions 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the comment Mowghlee. I have to assume that I'm doing the demonstration slow and smooth enough that players won't go out and try this any other way. With that being said, you know what happens when we assume... The loose wrist should be able to travel naturally and not get injured. It can only get injured if we start doing things we should not be doing. I'm crossing my fingers that everyone will behave with this information. Good luck and stay loose!
@matthewoh6202
@matthewoh6202 2 жыл бұрын
This is incorrect technique I believe. Feel free to prove me wrong
@matthewoh6202
@matthewoh6202 2 жыл бұрын
Wrist lag brings racquet to square up with ball, creating yet again a head on contact.
@matthewoh6202
@matthewoh6202 2 жыл бұрын
Should still be hitting through the ball. Not so much an across motion
@NaturalTennisSolutions
@NaturalTennisSolutions 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the comment Matthew. I will do my best to show you what I have discovered with this. It's just what I came "across" when I was messing with the loose wrist. Good luck and stay loose!
@mirianbauto6023
@mirianbauto6023 Жыл бұрын
That's too much adoo about nothing.
@NaturalTennisSolutions
@NaturalTennisSolutions 10 ай бұрын
Thanks for the comment mirianbauto6023. I completely agree. I feel as though if we don't discuss it that we won't get the simplest solution to subject. The only way to get to the truth is to deal with the lies of our thoughts in trying to get to the solution. I wish I was a better scientist but as I'm learning it's all about doing and not thinking. If you have some solutions I would love to hear them. Good luck and stay loose!
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