There is evidence of this. Jay Z himself said that Eminem beat him. The funny thing here is that the original song is Eminem and Royce's 5'9" and I understand that Eminem gave it to Jay Z. The joke isn't over yet. Eminem didn't change his verses. Jay Z listened to Eminem's verses and still couldn't beat him.

Jay's verses are legitimately really good, its not like he didn't show up on this track Em just came with his best, and the best of one of the goat's is pretty untouchable

Slept on jay line "my demeanor, 30 years my senior" such a great line

This is one of Eminem’s best flows hands down. So much said in so many ways and never forced, just smooth. Two great artists gave you a song with such different styles and stories. Damn good song.

EMs voice isn’t just a sound. It’s it’s own instrument

Most impressive thing is that it's not like Jay-Z had bad verses, he killed it as well. Em was just on another level on this track

If you pay attention to the verse structure in em’s verses vs jays you can start to understand why em raps at the level he does. He rhymes with technicality and he’s extremely intelligent. His vocabulary is massive and he can make anything rhyme. He’s verses are like percussion because he works on syllable structure to flow. It’s genius really.

Reading the lyrics gave me new found respect for how Hov attacked this song. Also it’s important to go back and put the Em feature in its proper context. Em was the biggest artist in the world and was smashing everything in his way. For Jay to even take this on, put ‘Em on his album, deserves respect. Having said that, as a Nas fan: Eminem still killed J on his own sh^t.

Unlike other rappers, Em doesn't just rhyme the last word of each line.... He uses his voice like an instrument!, but also rhymes an ensemble of words with the next lines words and carries a theme throughout the verse.... genius

I love watching people see early 2000s em and realize how unbelievably lyrical he is.

Ems flow is flawless. He produced the track. So it’s tailored to him

So much respect for y’all, for keeping it a buck and admitting Eminem is different, he on some other shit! He on a different level!!! Usually many black people hate on Em because he’s white, many have literally admitted they hate cuz he’s white, but y’all kept it 100 It’s also amazing to see y’all go through the same emotions many of us did when we first listened to Eminem… like “who is this man, the God of rap, my goodness gracious!”

Eminem made the beat too! 🔥🔥🔥

This song came out when was in college and IT WAS AND STILL IS 🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥 One of the best collaborations I’ve ever heard!!

"Eminem killed you on your own track" - Nas

A renegade is a person who goes against the grain, fights the system that's set up sort of

Wayne did an interview saying he always wrote his verses instead of usual freestyle when doing a song with Em bc he was never gonna be smoked by him like Jay. It’s hilarious 😂

As a huge fan of Eminem I underrated Jay Zs verse. He really said I bring you through the ghetto without riding around, hiding down, ducking strays from frustrated youths stuck in their ways. Bars were crazy and he really did bring you on a crazy story. Lowkey Eminem fit the renegade more and had great bars too

Man I remember when this dropped. Your reaction is spot on to how we all felt

Best bar from J was "I drove by the the fork in the road and went straight" 🤣 Renegade doesn't always mean a traitor, it's someone who doesn't do what everyone else is doing. They do their own thing

It never matters if it's an Em track or if Em is a feature.... It always ends up his record. He takes every record. Every. Single. Time.

“He make me wanna get my vocabulary up” 🤣🤣 I truly feel the same

In the song, both rappers address their critics directly. Eminem's verses touch on his often controversial lyrical content and its impact on his listeners, arguing that parents and critics should be more concerned with their own roles rather than blaming him for society's problems. Jay-Z's verses, on the other hand, tackle the critique that he glorifies a lifestyle of crime. He argues that his lyrics simply reflect the harsh realities of the environment where he grew up, and he's just a product of that environment.

When Eminem was coming up, he was probably the most controversial mainstream artist period- before social media. He was always a step ahead and knew how to hit and what the response would be and would always pre-empt it and literally exhausted his critics while the crowd went wild and his fan base grew. He was the antagonist and the equalizer and the “TRL generation” loved it while every adult hated it. He knew this and made his “butter” off the hatred with a big smile .

As a huge Em fan, imma say this. The song is a classic. Jay had deep bars showing pain and growth. Em was about anger towards those who doubted him. To me it's even and I listen to this song often cause I can truly understand both sides

After listening to it again in a long while. It was closer than I remember. Jay's lyrics just hit me different than Em's.

The more I keep watching y’all videos the more I feel like a brother of y’all, keep it up y’all cool as hell

em makes words that shouldn't rhyme rhyme.. his cadence, his lyrical genius is unmatched... holy shit

Eminem was constantly in the news for his “dangerous music” and parents were outraged. Y’all really wanna hear em kill it with a legend, listen to “dead wrong” on biggies born again album. Y’all gonna be hyped.

one of the verses you were stuck at was masterclass, in the 2nd verse Eminem is reflecting on his role as a prominent rapper and the influence he has on young listeners. He acknowledges that he is not a politician, but he recognizes the power he holds to connect with and impact the younger generation. When Eminem says, "They call me a menace and if the shoe fits, I'll wear it," he is referring to the criticism and controversy he has faced throughout his career. He is willing to accept the label of being a troublemaker or controversial figure if it accurately describes his impact. However, he also suggests that if the shoe doesn't fit, meaning if the criticism is unjust or exaggerated, then people should accept the truth he presents in his music rather than ignoring or dismissing it. He challenges the listeners to face the reality he presents, even if it may be uncomfortable or goes against prevailing opinions. The following lines where Eminem asks, "Now who's the king of these rude, ludicrous, lucrative lyrics? Who could inherit the title, put the youth in hysterics?" show his confidence in his lyrical abilities and the impact he has on the younger generation. He uses his music as a platform to share his views and experiences, aiming to provoke thought and stir emotions. However, Eminem acknowledges that there is a significant interference or opposition trying to silence or discourage people from listening to his music. The last line, "they're saying you shouldn't hear it," implies that there are forces attempting to censor or discourage the audience from engaging with his content.

When Eminem came out he was viewed as a negative influence because he was spitting some facts about his life, and I do believe exposing the life of his culture and where he came from. Since he wasn't portraying what the media wanted him to this record was a testament to how he felt. Listen to "I Am Whatever You Say I Am" By Eminem and it will explain a lot.

Watching y’all reactions makes me feel so smart. Thank you 🙏🏼

Ems flow man, this guy's flow is so damn phenomenal fucking hell

Eminem ate Jay alive on this track. While Jay is undoubtedly great, Eminem is a lyrical beast. I am unsure why Jay released this track, but I must credit him for being brave. As of 2023, Jay-Z has sold 140 million records worldwide, while Eminem has sold over 500 million. It is simply an astronomical difference, and I am tired of this debate. Though Eminem may not be played in clubs often, let's not forget about "Smack That," which probably got played more than most hip-hop artists combined. People and artists only say this because there is nothing else to say! Eminem has sold 227 million records in America alone, an 87 million difference just in America. For any other artist, this alone would give them an overwhelming win. It would be embarrassing if we were to compare their worldwide sales. While I am not a stan, this is just a joke at this point.

Renegade just means rebel really

I appreciate y'all admitting hardly listening to Em but are getting an appreciation for his talent. That's honest reacting and it's what I'm here for.

That first verse is Em’s greatest of all time imo. That 2nd verse is top 5 for him and the last 6 or 7 bars might the greatest wordplay of all time in hip hop history. No rapper in their prime that has ever existed would be able to go bar for bar after getting sent that. Not Kendrick, Nas, nobody. Jay was a real one by not backing down and putting that shit on his album

By far one of the best collabs. These are what you lyricists! I see y'all struggling on who's the best lol. Can you imagine being around for this era??? BEFORE the INTERNET TOO!! We couldn't download shit. Do you know how much money we spent on cds???!!! We had to buy the album 🤣🤣🤣

Em killed it with his Verse AND THIS BEAT! Underrated Goat Producer

Eminem- Run Rabbit Run, if you haven't done it yet. No chorus just 3 minutes of bars. Keep it coming with the great content. 💪🤘🔥

Jay himself said Em took this & he did the beat 😈💯🐐

The word *'renegade'* doesn't mean "traitor" as much as it means "rebel". No loyalties were betrayed; just certain principles of conformity were rejected from the outset

I love how excited the guy in the red sweater gets when eminem started rapping. so sexy and hilarious! his reaction is the best! detroitlove ❤

What’s amazing about this song is that they both attacked it a completely different way causing it to be an instant classic! Eminem definitely had the better verses tho, I still get chills when he says take a bath with the Catholics in holy water no wonder they tried to hold me under longer

Very cool to re-live this song with y’all. Those were the faces we made too. Like what!!! People forget this was on Jays album. Just a beautiful moment in music.

I personally only remember Jay Z's verse. It hit me more so I still remember it till this day all these years later.

Y’all gave really honest and vulnerable reactions to this shit and it was mad entertaining.

Original song is Renegade by Eminem ft. Royce da 5’9 produced by Eminem He took Royce off and gave the song to Jay. Didn’t even change his verse. So in reality he wasn’t competing with Jay

He carried the entire rhyme scheme from the beginning of the first verse to the end, ems ability to make rhyme schemes effortlessly is phenomenal man

Jays verses are more technical and complex, ems are just straight smooth flow. That’s why I love this it’s such a good juxtaposition

It's dope seeing kids see this for the first time and the they are blown away. It's how I felt the first time I heard this too. This jam is packed it depth, irony and double entantras

Eminem has evolved a lot over the years with his craft, his word play and delivery has become insane, definitely one of the best to do it.

Jay for sure had nice verses on this but the way Em rhymes and delivers is another level of technical

This song will forgive be a banger‼️ Poetic storytelling at its finest❗️

This is the song that Nas was talking about when he was dissing Jay Z in ether. Nas said in the song, Eminem murdered you on your own sh!t! 😅

I'm glad to see the younger generation listen to Eminem and realize how sick he is. Jay and Em are the GOATS. And side note, this track is basically them saying "We don't give a F about no critics/haters".

Jay’s verses are good on this. It just shows how cold Em is to step in and hook you back within two lines. GOAT

Wish these 2 made more music together. Jay was the co main at eminems concert years ago in detroit. They put on a hell of show

damn fuckin good song. Jay held it - gravitation vs gravity. Jay had some maddd bars lol

Jay’s verse is so underrated

Man this whole album is a monster but this track is so unique. The beat is anthem heavy and J murders the intro. The transitions between him and Em is nuts. Then they both just slap bar after bar on this thing in their own way. The chorus is so different from the others on the whole record. Good shit through and through.

The people that say Eminem sucks never even heard none of his old tracks that’s the problem with a lot of young people they don’t go back in hip hop history I love channels like this that respect and listen to the old stuff

It's pretty crazy for one that theyre only discovering such a big song now, but on the other hand Im glad they are open minded to listen to older music.

Eminem killed it he knows how to put on a concert too sounds damn good in person nobody can top this man

Bruh Eminem killed Jay Z, Jay Z HIMSELF admitted this lmao everyone knows EM took this one

Another word for Renegade is "Rebel"this song is pure Poetry & they're renegading against the critics & the industry

This is the very first time I heard this song. Yall just popped up on my recommendations, so I clicked. But let me say, Em killed the shit out of this for real. 🐐

See the Snoop Dogg interview from that time he saying "Snoop ain't gonna have Eminem on his songs cause he murdered Jay-Z already I'm not gonna get murdered" & Also even "The Weeknd" said in his the only interview cause he don't do interview that is "Eminem crashed Jay-Z on Renegade" 😂😂 Y'all ain't gotta debate with each other just Interviews ya find out 🙂

The best part about this reaction is that if y’all don’t know something you look it up and don’t try to act like you do. So many other channels act like they know everything all the time; respect the honesty

Em’s raps sound great and Jay’s raps have deep lyrics, best collab i have seen so far

I promise this was me and my brother reaction when this first came out. We legit had to pull over. We both was bobbing and vibing just like the fella in the red hoodie. Lmao!! We ran it back and stopped it and ran it back.. yo! This is one of my favorite songs! From the beat to all the gems in this jawn omg. It warms my heart to see the youngins vibing to this classic and appropriating it. ❤️

Lol I was waiting on y’all boys to react to this one. Jay went crazy on this but Em just on a different level. I still love this song. 2 icons in one song 💯🔥

not only has this become one of my favorite channels.... I stay in New York and my family is from New Orleans so I feel super comfortable watching.... it feels like family... keep up the good work while I go back and watch every video!

I love this song. I think Renegade, in this song, means a rebel.

I think it’s great to see those two on the same track. I’m from Europe, so I listened back then as a 12 year old to rap pretty purely… didn’t understand most of anything about it at first, that came later… but Eminem was my introduction to rap… it dripped from there and I’ve enjoyed a lot of Jay-Z music as well, so I’m just happy with seeing these two together.

So they use Renegade as a way of saying they did it on there own in the way they wanna do it, not complying with the rules set by people not knowing what they went trough.

LOVE you looking up words you don't know. Respect. Renegade can also mean someone who goes their own way, who can't be controlled.

Renegade is a trailblazer. One who goes against the grain. One who embraces counter-culture. An antihero.

One of the best lyricist rap songs ever. All of verses are a master piece.

" Eminem murdered you on your own shit " - Ether , From 2001 each time a rapper kills you on your own album or whatever, they use this line ! It became more popular than " renegade" 😎

That’s why Em was my fav rapper as a kid growing up, he was just killing it nonstop 😂🔥🔥

Top tier collab! Lyrics it’s even, delivery it’s Em and I’m a diehard J fan. I would love to hear Em and Black Thought collab!

"he make me wanna get my vocabulary up" 😅 facts me too 😂

I think Jay Z and Eminem were equal in this. They both had outstanding bars

check out LUCKY YOU from EM ft JOYNER just see how epic he is

This song is just straight fire they both showed up period!

EM IS GOD BIG LOVE TO JOU FROM HOLLAND AMSTERDAM 🇳🇱🇳🇱🇳🇱🇳🇱🇳🇱LIL WAYNE JOU ARE A REAL KING STAND W EM

More eminem reactions please ...you guys are great 🙏💯

Em didn't kill Jay on this, it's purely blown out of proportion because of Ether. Arguably he had better verses, but killed? Pure cap.

I’m a lifelong, diehard Jay Z fan. This is the ONLY song he ever made where I was waiting for the other rapper to start rapping again. Eminem is just unreal. That man is not human.

This was how my friends and I were looking when we first heard this song as teens 20 or so years ago…glad these young people are discovering how good our generation of music was! ❤

Jay-Z essentially said it was never supposed to be seen as a battle between him and Em it was only about making a hit record. Which it is.

Legendary song

They’re literally telling what they’re renegading against. Jay is talking about his upbringing, ashy knuckles, drug dealing etc. Em is talking About the media perception of him being a bad influence.

i'm a couple years late, but this got me a sub. I love how wholesome these guys are! I wish I could listen to this stuff for the first time. I'm jealous

I give this to em for a few reasons. First its his song, he made it with royce and gave it to jay and took royce off it, Second his flow just flows better. Content wise they both speak their shit and honestly i would say they are pretty much equal in this song. Like i said though those few points above are why i give it to em. You guys should check out em and royces version of this, i honestly prefer it to the one that got released but that might just be me.

He makes me want to get my vocab up!!! Hahahahha. I want to write my masters in English thesis on his lyrics.

I’m a renegade, never been afraid to say, what’s on my mind, at, any given time a day. Back then the media was constantly attacking Eminem over his lyrics and he just didn’t give a fuck! Making him a renegade.

It’s about their revolt against the govt ; remember at this time there were literal congressional hearings against eminems music and other artists in an attempt to censor their music. Also aimed at the traditional music industry and what the “critics” said about music that the industry didn’t agree with at the time Love this! ❤

The "fork in the road" line is heat