Considering how controversial this was, it's a wonder he even got a nomination. Normally, I wouldn't expect the Academy to touch a movie like this with a 10 foot pole.

Absolutely

Awards mean absolutely nothing.

Yup!

Yep!

Agreed

Have you seen “The 25th hour?” Amazing movie with Edward Norton.

@@mzliz1249 will have to check this one out thanks.

@@mzliz1249 one of my top 3 for Edward Norton !!!

Death to smoochy!

Second this. Iconic stuff.

Absolutely 💯

True

Oh by miles today

I was just talking to my wife about how good the 90s music is

Yep. Súper intense

Completely

It is the single reason that I've never actually wathed the entire movie, even though it came out in my teens.

I audibly gasped and flinched incredibly hard. i’ll never forget it

It's perfect.

Absolutely!!! When you give it up you become super happy bc it feels like a huge weight is no longer weighing you down. I'm so happy people prolly think I'm fake, but if they knew me before they would know it's authentic.

Bababooey

Ooo edgy

Hate is a mental disease like addiction and obesity !

Such an amazing line

I'm probably an inch shorter than Norton, and I could dunk. HOWEVER, reverse dunk... I'm not buying that.

Honestly, some times I think Edward wasn´t acting in this movie 😬

@@birch5757 In a game? I was a 6 foot 2 white guy and I could barely dunk on 9 and 1/2 foot rim with noone around.

@@Mark-fr7yv I did it literally one time in a pick up game. It's worth mentioning I ran track and my 2 best events were the 400 and the long jump, so there was a window there when I could really get up.

I think he did play ball for real back in high school.

God bless you man and congratulations on being able to think for yourself and change....that's huge💪🏽🙏🏼.

@@shaunkeating9288 Bless. 🙏💯

I can only imagine how much better your life is now than it would have been. When we’re young we are easily impressionable. Adults know this and take advantage of it. Glad you made it out of that.. safely.

yah right. sure buddy.

You opened your eyes to the real truth. Never let other people mentally enslave you through hate.

watch shindler list

He got snubbed like the lady who played the mom in requiem for a dream. Hollywood rarely awards anything worth the awards anymore lol

This movie holds no punches, its incredible!

This movie is just j00ish p0rn. A white supremacist getting buttgraped in the prison showers. And then he completely abandons his way of thinking just because a bleep says hello to him. Ridiculous. A much better film when you turn it off halfway through.

​@@andreprefontaine3824great piece of fiction I agree.

Exactly, that is what most people failed to see.

so does Derek go back to hating black people now?

Moral of the story: Never relax. Danny let go of the hate, and as a result let his guard down.

You saw glimpses of an older mentor directing the young shooters anger into hateful action.

Derek didn’t kill some random innocent kid though 🤔

It's a movie, not a documentary.

@Kunt5113 ...yes, I know. You never watched a movie in class?

@@Kunt5113doesn’t make it less effective in bringing a point across.

@larrygarcia6356 What I'm pointing out is that a lot of people look at this as factual. Ot isn't at the bare minimum. There have been some poetic liberties taken. If you want to educate children, use a documentary so everything is real. The creators of this movie have an agenda.

@@Kunt5113 agenda or not, this is very real. Doesn’t make that much of a difference if it’s set in a documentary style. Plus I can relate to it. That’s how it’s effective.

Well, being not racist got them killed, so yeah.

Nope... But it made me extremely fearce and dangerous. Carved me into a natural born leader. A King amoungst kings😤

I hit the same reality in my life once. That's where it all changed for him.

Thats the question bad people fear

I misquoted that line

That is a life turning question when in the throes of that hate and depression. It's a stunner.

Misstep could have ended careers?

You got a remember when this movie was made it’s not like it is now with all this cancel anybody who does something you don’t like

@@ryanssten731 yeah, I remember.. that's partially why I asked, because back then we didn't have to walk quite as much on eggshells. i miss those days when art was more honest

This was back in the day when we had the freedom to make the art we thought was important. Not today.

Probably not a great idea since it implies he may descend back into the world of hatred which is why they changed the ending.

Too bad in some states (I won't name them, but I'm sure you can figure it out) they'd probably ban it from being shown because it might hurt white kids' feelings or whatever bologna excuse they use now.

@@yulewave1 but that's what matters, is that they changed the ending to a better ending. Sad, but hopeful.

We actually saw it in school.

It should be..but to many people would be instantly " triggered" before even allowing the message of the film to get across..

Yeah, the director's reaction was wild. His whole message seemed to be that people don't change, either can't and won't, which I think is damn foolish. People change all the time, and people can make dramatic changes, especially when going through trauma. Comparing the original script to what we got, I think Norton saved this film. It's arguably his finest work.

You articulated this so much better than I did. The ending was perfect. It showed someone changing but also the consequences of their actions.

Bingo, and perfectly articulated. The film turned out to be a nice classical tragedy-Derek changes his mindset in large part because, like Danny, he realizes hatred is just needless baggage, and he wants to protect his family, and especially Danny, from the consequences. But by the time he's able to get Danny's head right, it's already too late, and because of Derek's skinhead influence his greatest fear has already been set in motion. It's a form of storytelling that's worked for thousands of years across radically different cultures. Tony Kaye's original ending, by contrast, would have been *_repulsively_* cynical. He wrote an interesting article for The Guardian called "Losing It" about the film, and it's very interesting for a number of reasons, not the least of which is that even Kaye still has no idea what his original vision was: _"Whenever I argued with Norton, I didn't have a leg to stand on. He could wipe the floor with me because he's a great articulator. My problem all through American History X was that I could never tell anyone what I wanted to do with the film. Sometimes I didn't even know myself. More often, I was so intimidated by the process that I went into meltdown if I wasn't left alone to work things out. Of course, if you actually listened to what Norton was saying, you could hear that none of it made sense in film-making terms: that's not his forte, as you'll know if you saw the movie that he directed, Keeping the Faith. 'Pretty fucking awful' hardly covers that one."_ It's pretty ballsy of him to accuse Norton's cut of "not making sense" in the same paragraph he admits he didn't know what he was trying to say with his own ending, and that he couldn't counter Norton's logic. Never mind the fact that, again, the tragedy form has worked for thousands of years, and Kaye doesn't explain what about the film doesn't make sense. He just says it as if it's a given, obvious to everyone. You get the idea that Kaye isn't being intentionally dishonest, just a bit deluded. A talented but strange man, certainly.

@@je7055 agreed.. Kaye wanted to cut the flashback scene of Norton and his father at the dinner table... IMO the most crucial scene of the whole film I think Kaye did a great job directing it but I don't think he had a clear vision of what this film was trying to say, as he admits. It's a shame how he went to war with Norton over it and destroyed his career. I just can't understand what he wanted, as you say his cut was so oppressive cynical, if you really have that view of the subject then what's the point in even making a film about it? It's pure nihilism. I will say to his credit in later interviews Kaye has said he was caught up in his own ego as a creative and he was in the wrong

That's nonsense, do you have any idea how insignificant so called White supremacy is ? It's not even a blip on the radar compared to others

Fr tho

I was 8, and watched with 12. This black and white thing must end

@TheDrJotta until we stop seeing people for their color and not their character it will never end.

@@nateworthy530 So much harder with the way people think of it these days. I was told not seeing skin colour was racist. Where I always treat people based on WHO they are, not what colour they are.

I watched this with my own 2 sons as well as the movie Mississippi Burning. I wanted them to fully understand how racism and ideas like this are so wrong and how your peers can lead you down the wrong path. It was a powerful lesson for my kids to learn and now that they are adults I know it impacted them significantly. Parents need to have these difficult conversations with their children.

@@michellejames9969 well i was hateful as fuck 2 years ago from i was 13-15 I'm 35 now my becoming wife learn me to not be that hateful cuz she brought the light in my life and open up my heart to think more about not hat it take so much energy and i watch this movie when i was younger i didn't feel nothing i loved the boots scene stamp on the head well i guess i was to hateful back then but yes everyone can change i guess in time

@@Luciferhell5 I think it’s so honorable that your credit your wife so lovingly that she has brought light into your life and showed you some compassion. She truly loves you and you for her to have this impact. Everyone responds to movies in a different way, I watched it with my own sons explaining the movie to them so they would understand. It may have impacted you differently as a teen if you had someone who was watching it with you in the compassionate manner of your wife. But I believe everything happens for a reason and you two together, she has brought a balance into your life you may not have had. Either way, it’s still an impactful important movie that should be watched and hopefully understood in the lessons it tries to teach. 🥰

@@michellejames9969 yes i agree with you and thank you so much well she really made me to a better human and yes this movie is really important it have everything you need to know about hate love family and death and we'll yes of course all movie has different impact on people like some get scared by horror movies and some cry to sad things in movies and yes my wife sould have alot more than credits by this words i have text here but there is nothing in this world that is that much worth for how happy and grateful i am by she get that deep inside of my heart and make me really see how stupid and worthless hate is in life ☺️

@@michellejames9969 It's only a proper lesson if you made them aware of all the overt Black racism in this movie as well. But I imagine if you were murdered by Black people while trying to put out a fire in their neighborhood and Black people then tried to rob your wife and your kids in the middle of the night at gunpoint because your kids beat them in a basketball game, it wouldn't be unexpected that your kids would hold a bit of a grudge as they got older.

They would never make a movie like that today. They are going there absolute hardest to divide us today than back in the 90s

@@theyfearme1379 no cuz everyone is fucking to easy offend by put a fucking racist mark on everything but in the 90s you still cold joke about everything as now you can't and do what you wanted to as movie or not world become worse and worse

@@Luciferhell5 That's true too, but so is what I said

@@theyfearme1379 yes it is

It only feels that way because society has gone backwards in the last decade or so.

That coupled with the scene when they are young boys gets me every time

They almost cut that scene out of the movie to have Danny die off screen and Derrek going back to his gang. Thank god they didnt

I wouldn't recommend this for anyone under 12 or 13, it has alot of adult themes and extreme violence. Just saying!

@@chrisfreimiller4878 I’m assuming you mean the one where Norton is by himself at home? Lol

@@williamswiniuch7527 the prison shower scene

Exactly! I was born and raised in the South with racism all around me. That’s what I was literally taught by example. Thankfully, I met friends in college who showed me how wrong I was, and I studies sociology and learned how truly ignorant I was. I saw this wonderful film too, and I ensured I did not raise my children by teaching them hate.

@@tricky2055 I still remember as a child, growing up around people of all colors. I was lucky that I was raised by someone who never even mentioned race or color. My friends were my friends, and that was all I knew. Until one day, as I got old enough and learned to see the world around me, I discovered that racism existed. People tried to tell me what to believe, but I was taught to question everything myself. In this sense, I was saved from it by examining the evidence around me. I was the same as the others, and they were the same as me. What we looked like made no difference at all to how we felt as friends. Now to that point, I do want to mention that it isn't always one-sided. Plenty of people with darker tones are taught to fear others, avoid them, stay away, don't be friends. That line of thinking doesn't help anyone at all either. Like Edward Norton proved, simply talking to people about every day business, eschewing the rhetoric and unhelpful group identity and thoughts, reveals who a person really is. Let's aim to get back to that goal without needing a sociology degree to have some common sense.

He wasn't prejudiced. He was right. Now look at the USA.

Your name 💀

@@tcrijwanachoudhury thank you

@@cajuncoonass5053 I think she doesn't know that he is a neo nazi including her girlfriend

Not as hard as Derek’s boot…

@@ninjireal yeah you right

I was just thinking about how this movie influenced my history day project in 10th grade - hate crime in 20th century America (this was in 2001). It is insane how little of the surface I had scratched with my limited internet access, and yet it just keeps happening. We never learn and instead indoctrinate future generations to the same views and actions.

@@laurarowland3260 you mean in all the democratically run states? Yeah it’s a shitty situation for them to be fed the same BS year after year and to vote for the same idiots.

If one lesson to learn from the ending of this movie is that Hate attracts Hate! The Hate you give comes right back to you! May take a while, but it always catches up with you!

It's like eating poison and expecting the one you hate to get sick.

Irony that whites can change ... blacks still shooting

I love the nod to Kubrick

The most distracting part of that scene for me was Danny dropping the homework assignment when he falls, but is holding it when he dies.

Yeah what I got from this movie..... Doesn't matter if you have a change of heart this world is fucked up and never let your guard down. Doesn't matter if you're nice. Others aren't!

@@TheDkb427 That's what you got from this movie?

to me that kind of ruins the whole movie... the black kid kills him in cold blood, for what? Cause he blew smoke in his face? Kind of reinforces the whole "this is why we hate blacks" message the entire movie was trying to erase lol

"Hate is not inherent. It is taught." Except it's taught through life experiences a lot more than someone telling you so and I'm pretty sure you were trying to say it was the latter.

@@jongordon7914 agreed. But, when you are young, and lack life experience, you tend to draw from what you are told.

@@Mr.Schitzengigglez Unfortunately, people often mistake fact-based caution, for hatred. A girl being told to be cautious around men or groups of men, is not based on hate but statistical probabilities. The same could be said for White people being told to be cautious around Black people, as Black people are about 9X more likely to commit a violent crime against White people than White people are to commit against Black people. It's not hatred, just self-preservation.

@@jongordon7914 my situation was, that I grew up in a black neighborhood, as a young white child, with a family who had espoused some serious racist undertones. I saw a lot of hate, and love,from both sides. I was left in the middle, to sort it all out. At this point, it's all bullshit. Just love your neighbor. They probably cook some bomb ass food. Which, is about the greatest thing in this life

@@Mr.Schitzengigglez And my situation was that I grew up in an almost entirely White neighborhood, went to almost entirely White schools, went to mixed schools and also got bussed to entirely Black schools, and saw just how violent and racially intolerant Black people were towards every race, ethnicity and foreigner. The extent of White racism consisted of jokes, slurs and avoiding Black people and feeling a sense of guilt for being that way. The extent of Black racism consisted of ganging up on White and Asian kids and robbing them or violently assaulting them and not feeling a single ounce of guilt or remorse. This movie, and reactions to it, is a PERFECT microcosm of racism in the 21st century. Almost all of the violence and racism in this movie was committed by Black people, from beginning to end and yet the comments are always filled with apologetic White people and angry Black people, condemning the miniscule amount of White racism and completely ignoring the Black racism. The Black Racism/Violence: In the beginning the Black racists throw a White kid to the bathroom floor, kick him in the stomach, and then offer him a hand to get up and kick him in the stomach again. At that moment, Edward Furlong's character (Danny) comes out of the bathroom and is just standing there when Little Henry approaches him and racially threatens him. Danny never says a word to them. Then at the Basketball game, there are Black and White guys playing on each other's team, but the Black guy is the only one to throw out any racial slurs. The White guys use racial slurs in private. After the Black guys lost the game, they go to Derek's family' house in the middle of the night and rob his family at gunpoint and try to steal Derek's father's truck. Derek's dead firefighting father that was killed while putting out a fire in a Black neighborhood. Little Henry is seen throughout the movie stalking Danny and ultimately murders him at the end. The White Racism/Violence: The violent attack of the immigrants at the grocery store and the rampant vandalism of the store.

dang i thought ive been here before :D nice thumbnail

Yep is very powerful and important also sad.

This is not "hard" to get through there are some tough things to see like human mutilation, the curb stomp, and the rape scene is hard. two scenes out of a 3 hour educational movie isn't hard to get through.

@@Stadt101 what do you mean by that

@@nathaniel2874 not sure what answer you are looking for its pretty clear. its not hard to watch other then 2 scenes.

@@Stadt101 ok

@@Stadt101 Jews are evil

Lots of speeches in this movie are true That’s what makes it great.

What about the speech was true? Not sure what you meant by this.

@@underAtack I think he means true as in that’s what happens at some family tables. Very sad but true.😢

he's right that hippie Jewish bullshit doesn't belong at the dinner table lol

​@@underAtack maybe try to listen better.

I'd say this movie isn't very school friendly. Teachers would have to skip like half the movie. Nor do I think some parents would sign off on it. I mean, my parents let me watch this, and whatever else I wanted but I know of lots of people whose parents wouldn't let them watch anything like this even as teens. I honestly don't understand why

The level of violence and the way teens are today with just saying gamer words for shock value doesn't really match up well imo lol

It really was

Same here. The man is amazing. He should be more well known. He is such an amazing actor and musician. His performance as Benjamin Sisko in Deep Space Nine was unparalleled. (Not to mention this film as well.) Such an underrated actor.

I'm white and grew up in the hood and would regularly clown black people in sports. We exist.

It's so hard for me to watch, I cried so much watching this movie. Also the fact that we are still dealing w this today. 😢

Meh, he fucked around and found out

Romper Stomper is such a cracking movie, I can't believe reactors are still overlooking it.

The Romer Stomper Movie is so Punk NZ/AUS...I know, as a headbanger, these were our Brothers, but some went just too far...

Romper Stomper is an amazing movie, very realistic, brutal. Rise of the foot solider is an other amazing movie.

Romper stomper was a dumb movie.

“Once Were Warriors” is a definite MUST! 💯🔥🤙🏽😎

Once We’re Warriors is amazing.

Great recommendation! That is an awesome film from NZ. Would love to see that review.

We watched it in English class when we were 17. It was shocking and hard to watch, but to this day, one of my favorite movies