FIRST Time Wild Camping FEAR? This worked for me

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Timestamps
0:00 First Wild camping spot
0:37 Pre camping research
1:09 Finding a pitch & a backup
2:10 Where I park the car
3:05 Finding camp spots using Google maps
3:41 Is my gear up to the job
3:50 Today's Sponsor
4:47 Controlled testing my camping gear
6:20 Food choices
6:59 Practice setting up your gear
7:47 Wildlife and noises
10:11 Avoid getting moved on
11:40 Safety precautions
12:24 Just in case (Peace of mind)
12:49 This helped me most
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@Faust66 Жыл бұрын

I've been wild camping on and off for 30 odd years and never had an issue. I still get 'The Fear' (will I be asked to move on, will something go wrong, will drunk idiots hassle me?) but it's never been an issue. The worst that's ever happened to me is land owners asking me what I'm doing. I explained that I pitched up at dusk and will move on at dawn and that I won't leave any trace that I was ever there (no fires, no music, no messing about). In my experience, if you are a genuine person with manners and a love of the outdoors, then you'll be fine. Offering the person you are talking to a cup of tea or coffee can work wonders! I would say that wild camping works best as a solo venture. 2 people/2 tents as a maximum. Larger groups tend to get moved on. Don't let 'The Fear' own your life. Get out there and enjoy some wonderful scenery and experiences.

@dannyboy9817 Жыл бұрын

Great video Paul. Also don't underestimate the value of having a practice run or two in the garden. I did this one February night using budget gear I'd used several times quite happily car camping in summer months and it was a disaster. I was effing freezing, my battery light failed one hour in, my air mat went down, I ran out of water, forgot more bits and bobs than I remembered, but of course I had the luxury of being able to keep popping into the house for contingencies. After a miserable, cold, damp, sleepless night, I concluded that if I was going to start winter camping then I needed to up my game and gear. All learned in the safety of my back garden. My wife (and dog) thought it was all quite amusing but better that than a real disaster out in the sticks miles from anywhere.

@ipedros7 Жыл бұрын

Yep, the garden: the grandstand of all experiments.

@browsman2328 Жыл бұрын

Greetings from NorCal. I have never been to the U.K. except for Northern Ireland and I am always glad to hear Paul’ perspective on things. I share Paul’s concern about car break-ins at trailheads although it’s never happened to me in 50 years of backpacking and day hikes. One time in Grand Teton park in Wyoming I returned to a trailhead to find a car with Texas plates with it’s convertible top completely ripped off by a bear. There were beer cans with bear tooth holes in them scattered around the car. The hiker had left a cooler with food and beer in it on the rear seat. I didn’t see any drunk bears on the trail though.

@JackKlumpass Жыл бұрын

That’s not bears, that’s really committed alcoholics!😮

@DaleyOutdoors Жыл бұрын

Great tips 👍 It’s amazing how quickly the fear and anxiety vanishes once you’ve done your first camp. First is always hardest!

@optomisticostomistsmith501 Жыл бұрын

You got a channel

@DaleyOutdoors Жыл бұрын

@@optomisticostomistsmith501 yes

@gazza1858 Жыл бұрын

And a good channel at that .

@gazza1858 Жыл бұрын

@My Cancer Journey You are a Troll the person you are pretending to be died you are blocked & reported on various KZfaq channels

@edwarddickins1569 Жыл бұрын

I have rather taken for granted how lucky I am to have spent my childhood messing around in woods and camping. It completely normalised the experience for me.

@saifaldin_ Жыл бұрын

I chose the beach for my first solo camping. Got to the spot late, and had to race against the fleeting light to put up my tent. I pitched on a slightly higher ground, and made sure it’s not too near to any big bush. True enough, a wild boar came out of one of the bushes while i was having dinner - that sure gave a sense of excitement! 😂 Planning to go for a camping trip by the seaside again this weekend - with my family this time.

@albatrossboss4639 Жыл бұрын

Great video. Just to add my 2 pence worth, ALWAYS once you're done, LEAVE NO TRACE, one of the main reasons gamekeepers are so eager to move folks on is because of the stuff people are leaving behind after a camp, rubbish, firepits... condoms (yes I've seen it in the middle of nowhere, even one with a turd in it which raised even more questions). If you are asked to move on just politely agree and pack up your stuff, do not argue, don't be rude, just do it and stealthily find another spot a mile away

@bob_the_bomb4508 Жыл бұрын

Garden first, campsite second, couple of day hikes next, then stretch it out bit by bit in the summer first. Learn how to use a paper map and a compass. Drop your phone in a puddle and you’re Friar Tucked. Carry a first aid kit appropriate for your conditions and degree of isolation. Learn first aid. Lastly, waterproof EVERYTHING! 1. Treat your rucksack 2. Use a rucksack liner 3. Use individual stuff sacks for individual ‘systems’: a. One for your ONE SET of spare clothes and your two pairs of spare socks. Then smaller bags for each individual item. You’ll thank me later. b. One for your sleeping bag. c. Use different stuff sacks for things like food, admin gear etc. this sort of stuff doesn’t need waterproofing per se but the more you organise the less time you need to have your rucksack open. You’ll see videos of American hikers just stuffing everything into one rucksack liner. Try that in the UK and you’ll be up sh1t creek the first time it rains. d. Not everyone agrees but I also top it off with a rain cover. 4. Lastly, organise organise ORGANISE! Get stuff so that you know which sack or pocket it’s in. Only open one pouch at a time and put stuff away immediately. If you need something in a hurry you’ll find it. Bags aren’t left open while it’s raining You don’t go to sleep and wake up to find everything wet And if someone does turn up to turf you off you’ll be sorted faster and less stressful than if it looks like there’s been a bomb in a charity shop. The warden might also be more sympathetic to letting someone who’s squared away staying until the morning, as they might be more confident you’ll leave no trace.

@JazzyJeffers Жыл бұрын

Great video, I eased into camping by always going with someone. At this very moment I’m on my second solo camp and love it. I still refuse to solo camp in the woods though! Far too creepy for me 😂

@markswishereatsstuff2500 Жыл бұрын

Doing the first overnight 20 miler of the year on the weekend of 4-29. Already scoped out the put in and take out car parking situation on Street View and found two videos describing the shelter at the halfway point where we will be staying. Pre-trip research is great now.

@neovo903 Жыл бұрын

Perfect timing Paul, I'm planning on going on my first trip very soon, just getting together the equipment to do so.

@bernardairey9631 Жыл бұрын

I in joyed your video thank you for sharing. I’m an old school wild camper I just use a tarp plus I can make it into a ranger bag. I’m still liveing in the past I still use mess tins and metal cup😅it works for me. I test any new gear I get in my back garden or my shud. Be respectful to game keepers and people you meet out there. ( Always tidy up then know one knows you’ve been there )stay safe and in joy the world you live in.

@rocketiain84 Жыл бұрын

Great thing if you dont want to drive there are so many train stations in the peaks to get about as well great for day trippers and campers

@steveb1972 Жыл бұрын

The Nearly Wild Camping club is an excellent idea for newbies! You can even specify how “wild” you want your camp site when looking.

@paulpeopleperson3594 Жыл бұрын

Thanks again Paul. you videos always simplify the do's and don't. I found taking my phone and listening to an audiobook was a great way to distract me from the various sounds of the countryside. I always take a cuppa-soup as backup for a hot drink if the weather is colder than expected

@AndyWragg Жыл бұрын

I stay away from anywhere with active Grouse butts nowadays. Grouse shooting brings a lot of money into the local economy, and what with the recent spate of moorland fires in the peaks in the last few years (normally caused by numpties with disposable BBQ's), the game wardens have upped their game so to speak in order to protect the birds. I also don't push the envelope with the weather. It's easy to be overconfident in your skills and equipment, but as you get older your abilities wane, and your fitness ebbs away. A 3 mile slog through deep snow with a heavy pack is a lot harder in your 50s than when you were 30.

@that_which_is_not Жыл бұрын

I’ll counter with dog walkers as a definite wild camper predator. They’re everywhere at every bloody hour of the day and can ruin a good wild camp 😂

@DW14974 Жыл бұрын

I used to carp fish at a large public park in Nottingham. You’d have people walking the dog in the early hours in torrential rain. I couldn’t believe it

@MarkTayloroutdoors Жыл бұрын

@@DW14974 colwick park? I’ve had canoes go through my line there, mate had dogs jumping his rods as well.

@DW14974 Жыл бұрын

@@MarkTayloroutdoors haha that’s the place! And yes I’ve experienced it all too. I’ve had people turn up for a swim in my swim, you name it it’s happened lol. Although for a public park close to the city centre I’ve never experienced any trouble and never heard of anyone else having any

@stuartwinder9071 Жыл бұрын

Hi Paul another video full of sound advice. My son and his mate were on there that day and he called me to say he saw you and said hi.I got him into wildcamping a few years ago and now he is old enough to go on his own it has become a big part of life, watching you and others on youtube has given him more choices on kit and places to go.Nice one fella.

@happycreativemind Жыл бұрын

Thanks for the comment Stuart, would that be the two lads from Liverpool? He said it was lovely meeting so many people 😊

@stuartwinder9071 Жыл бұрын

@@happycreativemind It was, still out there now but due back tomorrow.Have a great day both of you.

@ChrissehP Жыл бұрын

Awesome video and great livestream the other day!

@Ivorengland Жыл бұрын

Great video Paul. This will help a lot of people. Required viewing for any first time wild campers. Thanks.

@ShaunC2023 Жыл бұрын

Perfect timing, just got home ready to watch !

@mjm9145 Жыл бұрын

Great video - lots of really useful tips and ideas. Thanks.

@kennethvalerio1294 Жыл бұрын

Thank you for sharing your experiences

@blakegraham5446 Жыл бұрын

i remember your solo camp video there :) the first vid of yours i watched. good to see youre still out doing your thing! best of luck to you, friend

@awayinthewilderness4319 Жыл бұрын

Great advice! Thanks from Kansas!

@apollo12329 Жыл бұрын

Nice one Paul, sound advice even for seasoned campers, thanks

@swiggy03 Жыл бұрын

Great vid Paul , very informative 👍🏻

@TheBenwickrambler Жыл бұрын

Good to bump into you and say hello when you were out making this video.

@chrish3305 Жыл бұрын

Nice work Paul!

@davekirkwood9076 Жыл бұрын

Very informative video Paul... your editing skills are excellent as always... 👍👍

@DanishMumtazMirza 5 ай бұрын

Thank you so much.

@doodoodum10 Жыл бұрын

Talk about high learning curve. Everything in a nut shell. Well done I must say.

@matthewett121 Жыл бұрын

Did my first ever wild camp in the exact same spot last Thursday ! No issues at all just very cold!! Amazing views

@billmurphypenguins3774 Жыл бұрын

Totally agree Paul i took a friend to Wasdale campsite, was nice to be close to the wilderness but have that piece of mind that basecamp was sorted. All the way up Scafell I'm seeing perfect places to do an overnighter. Pub wasn't too bad either.

@andykeast8920 10 ай бұрын

Fab advice as always Sir Messner

@snodee Жыл бұрын

Thank you for your videos! I really appreciate your attitude and good spirit:)

@ACE19688 Жыл бұрын

Great advice and tips thanks

@summitupmark5615 Жыл бұрын

Great video as always Paul

@Tom-eq6vo Жыл бұрын

Had two bloody grouse scare the crap out of me this week 😂 I find a checklist helps (when I use one!) I like to carry a few extra pegs, some Paracord and some tape. More than one light source and more than one lighter source for cooking. Water purification tablets are fairly cheap too, I’ve been carrying them hiking long before I started wild camping, bit of peace of mind especially during summer months.

@markatchison9974 Жыл бұрын

CAMPSITES. Use them. Find a campsite near to where you fancy wildcamping & set up a base for the first day. £15 - £20 a night gets you secure parking, showers, kitchen, toilets etc etc ........ I have a cheap Vango 3 man tent for a base camp & keep most of my lighter weight gear in a backpack in my car, ready for off whenever I fancy heading onto the fells for the night, & if I don't see a window in the weather; I stay at the basecamp & get pissed. It also gives you an excellent opportunity to try out your lighter gear. Easy peasy & something I've done for over 40 years.

@RealBoiJare Жыл бұрын

Smart. I will probably do that this summer

@frstesiste7670 Жыл бұрын

Dont know about the UK; but many places there are hiking groups that do both day hikes and overnight trips. Good way to get started.

@PierreFarrugia Жыл бұрын

Very good video with lots of advice and good points 👍

@scottplumer3668 Жыл бұрын

I think back to my first trip and I remember how heavy my backpack was. People often say you "pack your fears," so I think I definitely did that! But I think for a first-timer, if packing something gives you peace of mind, then pack it. An extra tent, for example, might be a bit over the top, but extra food, or an extra light source? Go for it if it calms your fears. Then next time, you can look at what you took and decide if you really needed it.

@ipedros7 Жыл бұрын

If you're not 100% sure of the tent (for possible conditions and can't test it), all-in packing for fears, maybe a bivvy won't go amiss. Add duck tape, cordage and a few extra pegs (inc a couple of larger ones) and its playing safety!

@arlyon Жыл бұрын

Excellent video Paul. 👍

@spartantkd1970 Жыл бұрын

I ❤️ this one Paul - one of your best and aiming at the new camper. Great stuff. PS have been living in Crookes now for a year and love the Peak District and all it has to offer. Kevin.

@Roadrunner9265 Жыл бұрын

Great advice , thanks. :)

@MoosebearAdventures Жыл бұрын

Great vid. Thank you ⛺🌞

@thepeakdistrictviking Жыл бұрын

Nice video and great wild camping spot, ideal for beginners

@traceybillington5528 Жыл бұрын

Very informative. Yet to brave my first wild camp

@optomisticostomistsmith501 Жыл бұрын

A great little vid Paul like these I have a few med issues that I have to take int account but you install faith and solutions thank you

@skookumjack Жыл бұрын

Good sound advise Paul......👍

@beej6929 Жыл бұрын

@paulmessner Did my first wildcamp last night, it turned into a windy & wet one but was great :) Your videos have been extremely helpful, keep up the good work 💪

@suedavies2157 Жыл бұрын

Thank you for the advice and a great video, Paul. As a small older woman, I don't think I'd feel safe enough being alone. Love watching you You Tubers achieve the solitude I can't though!😊

@DemiGod.. 8 ай бұрын

Overcame the fear of camping by just doing it , got baptised in fire, the wild country 3 season tent flattened in a storm. After that nothing to worry about as an could only get better. When looking for a future spot, I'd take some pegs with you to see which ones you will need. When I went hillwalking would get the train or a buss. This time will be using a touring bicycle, looks cheap, won't have to worry about it getting nicked.

@davidf4897 Жыл бұрын

Good video. 👍👍

@grahamscothern4319 Жыл бұрын

Nice one Paul 👍

@tooyoungtobeold8756 Жыл бұрын

Thank you, interesting video. Lovely part of the world, unfortunately about five hours from my house. They should put a blue plaque on that first spot. Paul Messner slept here and the date. re. spares. Better to have it and not need, than, need it and not have it.

@abbottsadventures Жыл бұрын

Great video Paul

@jeffselesky6107 Жыл бұрын

Well stated Paul.

@farangtravels3956 Жыл бұрын

Great advice 👍

@sheikhyaboooty Жыл бұрын

I had some good advice from a squaddie about 45 years ago when camping alone. "Any fool can be uncomfortable" and " take 2 treats with you", for me it was a Mars bar and a 1/8th bottle of whiskey. His advice works well to this day. maybe minus the Mars bar.

@drsquirrel00 Жыл бұрын

Desperate to find a replacement for the stormin' norman cone, its the 2 piece build that fits into the mug its paired with that matters the most to me.

@northernbikercarl3684 Жыл бұрын

Hi there great video can't see the link for the wind shield

@ironkid8836 Жыл бұрын

It can be hard to relax the mind for some people like that old song you fill up my senses like a night in the forest ,which can freak some people out I tarp camped with my harley a few times and because I didn't want to stray far from the bike it did limit my options but always had a good time

@CRi5_Ralph Жыл бұрын

Hiya Paul; I'm Enjoying Your Videos as always, However I would like to see you do a Video on Correct Tent positioning with regard to Direction in heavy Wind Conditions. Reason Being, Most Tent Manufacturers face the Door to the Wind which I Find Backward Thinking & can if not careful launch any unlucky Camper off the side of a mountain. I always Pitch with back facing into the Wind so 1/ I don't get Blown over the side, but 2 For porch Cooking etc. Please Paul if you can Highlight the Dangers, & of the positives the correct way a tent is facing despite what the manufactures wind test say. Also the Very Same Question of Self standing Tents That will literally Blow away compared to Self Collapsing Tunnel tents designed with that inbuilt Wind redundancy. Great Videos Paul, all the best my Yorkshire Bro.

@paulblayney6641 Жыл бұрын

Great video and advice Paul, parking the car safely is always my biggest worry. I'm still quite jealous of you mainlanders as the OS Maps app doesn't cater for Northern Ireland as yet, i hope they can update this soon.

@valstarkgraf Жыл бұрын

Another way to get around the car situation (especially if you are backpacking from one spot to another in a linear way as opposed to out and back) is to coordinate a ride and pick up. Either get dropped off and picked up, or [if you'll be camping with a friend] take two cars and park one at the end and drive back together to where you plan to start so there will be a car waiting for you at either end.

@jeffreywinter2660 Жыл бұрын

Nicely paced informative video Paul, you've worked hard on your channel over the years glad to be a subscriber

@Indi3flow Жыл бұрын

Great video Paul, I've only been wild camping a few times but can definitely relate to all of the points you covered 👍 I notice you've been using the Sierra Designs Flex Capacitor (last video) and the Flex Trail (this video), having used them both which would you recommend as they both seem comparable spec/cost wise?

@MarkTayloroutdoors Жыл бұрын

Watching this on a wild camp 😁 I can just about see Bamford edge from where I am. It’s definitely a beautiful spot, but I wouldn’t camp there again either due to its popularity and likelihood of getting moved on. Atb Mark

@slightgraph89 Жыл бұрын

Hey, I mean this in a positive way as a compliment, but you seem like a nice old grandpa. Probably just because you look a little like how my grandpa looked 15 years ago and explain things in depth with a softer kind voice, but it makes for a very pleasant watch

@seamanjive Жыл бұрын

You've made that spot popular with your videos.....

@frednorman1 Жыл бұрын

Although I’ve been to Great Britain about four times in the last 40 years and always rent a car, I was surprised to hear you talk about vandalism and breaking into cars at trailhead parking areas ..that’s a problem in the United States unless you are in a more remote areas like the Sierra Nevada in northern California, where I live, but I never thought it was a problem in Great Britain. I guess I’m naïve.

@ProcyonAlpha Жыл бұрын

Northern California, man I am jealous!

@gazshaw7 Жыл бұрын

Literally out on my 1st camp this second found a pitch and now watching this in the peak District does it get any better than this 😂

@gazshaw7 Жыл бұрын

Shiting myself

@ScotlandsGold Жыл бұрын

Niceone 👍

@GrizzlyGaz Жыл бұрын

Gwaaaan laaaaaaaad 💪

@czaczaja Жыл бұрын

Went camping to watch youtube🤣 couldn't get any more ridiculous than that👌

@gazshaw7 Жыл бұрын

@@czaczaja it popped up the notification on me phone the second I sat down and cracked a can perfect 😂

@Nick.96 Жыл бұрын

I'd recommend taking a water bladder especially in summer when you can't always trust water sources due to drought😅(Speaking from personal experience)😂

@simonroberts7309 Жыл бұрын

The first time I took my 8 year old on a wild camp up kinder scout, half hour before sunset and the wind was picking up, as I was pegging out the tent the corner completely ripped off but managed to support it the best we could with our bags, sleeping inside half a collapsed tent with a child taught me a lesson.

@CrunchyTire Жыл бұрын

I think theft is my biggest fear. I usually have a bit more than I hike/camp with leftover in my car so Im always paranoid. Not only getting my gear stolen but the car damage too. I cant always camp where I want to because its too far from the car.

@imaginator85 Жыл бұрын

Fears in the UK: Will I see a rodent or snake or bugs? Fears where I live in Utah USA: Will a massive bear, moose, wolf, or bobcat destroy me?

@sellis518 Жыл бұрын

Top man 😊

@alangauld6079 Жыл бұрын

I started backpacking (and hence wild camping) after 10 years of family camping holidays so the camping bit I was confident about. I knew my tent, sleeping kit and cook kit all worked. All the other issues (apart from the car; I've (naively?) never worried about that!) I recognise. As for adders, in 50 years of hill walking I've seen 3 and only one posed any kind of threat (and another one of them was in France, not the UK!). I've also had dozens of ticks and only once seen the dreaded red-ring of Lyme's, and 5 days worth of antibiotics soon sorted it out. I did have a deer get tangled in a guy rope once, when pitched near a river, that gave the tent a good shake! Lesson: don't pitch where animals come to drink!

@verykeen2please Жыл бұрын

I always think the fear of the 7am wild poo is calling

@marcusallwood9569 Жыл бұрын

Take a good absorbant microfiber cloth to get the water off your tent in the morning

@alanmccormick7603 Жыл бұрын

I live in Coventry, West Midlands, and I do not drive. Any tips on how to get started please?

@lukascernai8211 Жыл бұрын

hello, does it happen that your clothes get damaged from your backpack and if so, how do you prevent it?

@TheLDunn1 Жыл бұрын

Can’t believe you didn’t mention alien abduction!

@davewoodhouse200 Жыл бұрын

Great video Paul. I’m a camp site car camper for many years with the family but really want to try wild camping. My biggest fear is getting moved on, watching your complete end to end and some others I think I’m going to try woolpacks. How often have you been moved on here? Cheers

@Tailspin80 6 ай бұрын

My biggest fear was simply that wild camping in most of the U.K. is illegal and I could end up in court. On the SeatToSummit website it says: “In general, it’s best to camp in national parks and public woodland areas, nature reserves over areas that are privately owned or in farmers’ fields. Getting permission is crucial.” Are wild camping laws, like huge numbers of other laws in the U.K., on the statute book but never enforced?

@mccourt1987 Жыл бұрын

How long have u been wild camping paul and how old were u when u started ?

@keithadams1538 Жыл бұрын

Barn owls make the most horrendous screech. I have also had a mouse gnaw my kindle less than a foot from my head whilst I was asleep

@larryparis925 Жыл бұрын

Beautiful location, great information. One thing I would suggest is practice setting up and getting used to your equipment at home in the garden (as said in the U.K.) or the yard (as we say in the U.S.), if you've got the space. If not, try a local park. This was well done. Thank you very much. From San Diego, California.

@GrizzlyGaz Жыл бұрын

Great tips as usual Paul. People always forget to mention ASTM ratings for sleeping pads, if it doesn't have an ASTM rating (industry standard testing) then the R-value means sweet FA and it won't keep you warm in the conditions it claims it will... Same goes for sleeping bags and EN/ISO ratings, if it doesn't have one then add +5°C to the comfort rating or you'll be cold. 👍

@SocialCamping Жыл бұрын

He’s the obi wan of wild camping.

@michaelgambit6432 Жыл бұрын

Might be nice looking at all the gear you used for your first camp and comparing it with what you use now. Especially for us beginners!

@Eightball69 Жыл бұрын

Just watch his earlier videos no?

@Chris-zp6eh Жыл бұрын

0.35 looks like you handle fear just fine, my friend.

@wesmariner Жыл бұрын

Bizarre. I’ve been to Bamford Edge for dinner with a view with my lad after visiting the hospital today. He’s got cerebral palsy so he can’t walk for miles and I was thinking that it was the ideal spot for us to wild camp. Especially that flat area you showed with the rocks as a wind break. My only concern was the gamekeepers but it doesn’t seem to be mentioned much now the idiots that were doing it during covid seem to have stopped. I wonder if you were below edge you would be less likely spotted or do they use drones etc? Cheers. Keep up the great vids mate

@johanvanbeek7138 Жыл бұрын

It;s other people I'm worried about, surprised you didn't mention that as it's my biggest fear.

@basserfelt Жыл бұрын

Robens chaser series, will we see a review?

@TonyHobbs Жыл бұрын

Never used a camp site that was my number one rule wild not site so far so good. Seen four adders on dartmoor in 20 years. Rare. Scary lol. First three scared the poop outta me the fourth less so 😅