Thanks that helps a lot 🙂👍

@@silversurfer2703 You're welcome! 🙂🙂🙂

Very cool and based

Don't forget they murdered Martin Luther and Christians during the Dark Ages if they didn't go along with their doctrine... Protestant churches have forgotten why they fled to the wilderness.

@@jennifertinker985 well ...Martin Luther was a dangerous heretic ...🤣🤣 He did tremendous harm to the church , even today countless souls are in danger because of his beliefs . In America , you get the death penalty for one murder or more so I can have sympothy for a man and his followers condemned who can cause the loss of millions and future billions if souls .

I am an orthodox but Wdym by extra books. Are u referring to the catholic deutrocanon??? If it is, the deutrocanon was part of scripture even during the reformation movement. Martin Luther didnt remove the deutrocanonical books but the later protestants are actually the ones that removed the books from the canon. And they also were quoted in the NT.

Extra books? You mean the books in the Septuagint which Christ and the Apostles used, which were considered inspired for the first 1500 years of Christianity by both Catholics and most Orthodox? Did you know Luther contemplated removing James, Revelations and possibly even Hebrews from the New Testament canon?

Recently I went to a Lutheran Church for the first time. BEST Church i have ever been to. Like you said, it had everything I love and admire about Catholics (tradition, liturgy/worship) while keeping out the Catholic practices and theology that isn't Biblically supported. I think I have moved on from the Baptist denomination and will be transitioning to Lutheran :) It is a lovely Church

Nice! I’m LCMS too and saw the same issues with catholic theology. I love Lutherans for being doctrinally closest to the early church (100 AD)

​@@KoiDotJpegI'm also considering Lutheran. On 11/25/23 Jesus Christ spoke to me and my life changed in that moment of time. I was raised Christian but for a number of reasons, turned away from God. When he spoke to me, I completely understand so much, I received a "knowing". I've been looking for a church to join and Lutheran seems very good. Wish me luck and good luck to you in finding your home.

As a Protestant you may also want to look at the other side of angry baptists and evangelicals who are very anti catholic… I don’t think one’s views of another denomination should determine whether or not you agree or disagree theologically. This is coming from a Protestant.

a basic and pejorative generalization is not a great reason to base the choice of your entire faith on. i hope you have a little more than that

​@@lukasg9031 exposing the false Gospel id rime is not hate

You may want to research Martin Luther more. I am an ex-Lutheran. He was a wicked and blasphemous man who blasphemed Our Lord Jesus Christ and claimed unspeakably wicked things about Him that I cannot even type because they are so horrific. He also spoke often to the devil and records his (very disturbing, graphic, and vulgar) interactions with the devil in his writings. Short video on who he really was: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/rrJie9ynypPPp5s.html Long video on who he really was: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/gbeFa92BqcrPaHk.html The true Faith is the unchanged Catholic Faith, not the "Catholic Church" down the street with the liberal novus ordo priests dancing around (depending on where you live, some are more conservative than others) but the true unchanged Catholic Church. The current state of the true Church is a state of sede-vacante, meaning the chair of St. Peter is currently vacant as there is no valid Pope. Francis is a false pope. This website explains it: novusordowatch.org/

No servant is greater than a master

Are you Catholich ? I am Catholich .

@@bestofburden Why ?

It’s indeed refreshing to hear a sophisticated critique on Catholicism instead of senseless bible bashing even though I don’t agree with his views i appreciate his use of “I think” before his sentences as it implies his ideas come from a more personal view point. The traditional Latin Catholic liturgy is still the most powerful form of worship in my experience having attended multiple Protestant and modern Catholic masses. I find the Protestant critique is strictly biblical which I struggle with as my view on the bible is it’s undeniably the will/word of God but it’s spoken though man which leaves it wide open to interpretation and interpretations can get really messy. I feel most judgements made on Catholic rites and rituals are rather shallow interpretations of “the right way to pray” which is ironic coming from Lutherans as my understanding Luther claimed that one must have Faith in God above all doctrines. So if one has faith in god then rites and rituals are rather trivial. Deo Gràtias 🙏

@@bestofburden Are you Catholich ?

Benjamin Flynn You are entitled to your opinion, but the criticism can be sort of “debunked.” The audience is a more casual audience is mainly Christian, you shouldn’t expect for him to go overly in depth in Catholic theology. What he did mention as far as Catholic Theology is true, he didn’t use his Lutheran bias to take away the facts, which is something many people do when they speak of the other viewpoint. The video was already long, if he went in depth on Catholic theology he’d get off topic and be missing the point of the video, making it excessively long with unnecessary facts that are unrelated to the topic.

Yes, and then when Rome fell and in the absence of the secular government the Church found itself the only organization that had educated leaders that the people looked to for guidance -- it resulted in the church having to assume roles it was never meant to have to take on. I do believe that was the start of many of the problems that lead to the reformation. 🙏✝️🙏

Well, Lance, now what are you gonna do ? Do you find his points convincing, or only clear and said with conviction ? I"m an ex-Catholic, and agree with Jordan on most points. But I have an advanced degree in Religion from a Baptist univ.

I am not as tempted to leave the Catholic Church by Jordan as I am by our horrible current Pontiff, but I reckon I'll stay put for the time being.

I'm not Roman Catholic I'm Oneness Apostolic just checking in my parents were RCC in Mexico but there same as me mexican American chicanon

@@LuciusClevelandensis Interesting, so you reject the Biblical doctrine of Justification, Sanctification and Glorification?

Protestants still believes servant is greater than a master.

But, if you are not happy being a Catholic, I'm sure the Lutheran Church would take you back.

@@Lepewhi one should never leave Truth (Christ's Church) for error (Luther's church).

... Erik... Did Luther, Huss, Zwingli, Wycliffe.. risk their lives.. for you to betray them by becoming part of Rome?? I say that you should swim AWAY in the Tiber.. and return to the Biblical TRUTH... for the sake of your soul.

Is there any particular reason that you did no join the LCMS rather than the Catholic Church,as the LCMS dont have female priests, homosexual clergy, etc..?

Roman Papism is heretical too. Read: khristosanesti.blogspot.com/2020/04/the-falsehoods-of-papism-las-falsedades.html

Check out Ask the Pastor with Pr Sullivan in Kerville TX. Also, Pr Wolfmueller has a lot of videos too...he's a pastor in Austin. We'd love to have you here in Wittenberg (or perhaps I should say Augsburg)! I made that same move myself.

@@lukemwills I LOVE pastor Sullivan

@@Aaryq Me too. I'm planning to visit Holy Cross in Kerrville one of these Sundays...it's about 2 hours away from me.

No dont leave us in Geneva

@@conservativecalvinist3308 I ended up keeping a foot in Geneva and a foot in Canterbury with Dr. Packer.

@Project That is Life pretty sure he means small c as opposed to large C

Lutherans don't have deacons.

@@johnmarquardt1991 i can introduce you to dozen in my local area if you like. Nearly half of lcms churchs in the western district have deacons not pastors. Not enough pastors to go around

@@colnagocowboy Our district did away with what you call deacons. The problem in your area is that you will not pay pastors enough money -- you're cheap. Kansas had the same problem.

@@johnmarquardt1991 obviously your opinion is more omportant to you than reality so as the English would say sod off

I was 4 square which runs many of the nondenominational churches. I am now LCMS, be careful the ELCA is about as Lutheran as FedEx is federal (not at all). What drew me to LCMS was that the nondenominational churches have no real roots to keep them consistent, or in some cases biblical, and they always felt like churches where you never really got out of Sunday school. You can color only so many pictures of Noah’s arc before you start asking more questions. Lutheranism is based on studies of the church’s that the original apostles set up and is very heavy on studying the Bible as a whole instead of memorizing a few out of context scriptures or often mistakenly using little Christian idioms that are not even in the Bible. What is funny is that you can go back to some of the earliest CATHOLIC Churches and study them and that is essentially what you see in a Lutheran service (note all caps CATHOLIC refers to the early Christian church as opposed to Catholic which is a specific church). In fact Martin Luther didn’t call himself a Lutheran but rather a reformed Catholic. We were the original “reject modernity” movement as we broke away from Catholicism to return to the old ways and scripture.

if you haven’t decided yet, RUN to Lutheranism. My bf and i were non denominational until about 2 months ago and then started attending a Lutheran church after months of looking into different denominations because of the surface level watered down theology at our ND church. changed our lives forever. we’re in the process of becoming members in the church and the stuff we’re learning about the denomination is so refreshing. we go to a WELS church because it’s what was around us and we appreciate the more conservative traditions and values they hold. it’s what Christianity was and should be. 10/10 would recommend Lutheranism. an amazing change from the powerpoints and watered down gospels we used to get 🙌🏻

Infant baptism is not biblical

@@albusai Col 2:11-12 If baptism is the new circumcision and circumcision was to be done 8 days after birth then it follows that baptism is as well. Also early churches, like the original 12 apostles churches if baptizing a pregnant woman had her return and baptize the baby. So no it doesn’t directly say it but it was a procedure in the first Christian churches

@@albusai It may be more biblical than we know. The bible talks of adult converts that were called to be baptized. I don't see anything wrong w/ infant baptism now though.

Because they are baseless and made up to set a structure of power and control. The Catholic Church is infamous for exploiting ambiguity in scripture and tradition to deviate from sound doctrine. Do your research on "Intercession of the saints" and you will see how the church stretched tradition very thin to reach that conclusion, and how there were no such practices in early Christianity, before church became the state. There is a stark contrast between the primitive church and the imperial one.

both of them are unbiblical and sinful no human is infallible, only God and "intercession of the saints" is completely made up the bible says their is ONE mediator: Jesus Christ praying to dead people is necromancy

I’ve never understood how the intercession of saints is difficult to understand. When you ask for the saints to intercede for you, it’s just like asking them to pray for you. If you’ve ever asked for a brother or sister on Earth to pray for you, then why would t you ask the saints, who are all alive in heaven, to pray for you since they are physically closer to Christ than we are? They don’t have any control over Christ or God’s plan, they are simply there to ask God to help you on your behalf. No one needs to pray to any saints, that won’t get you into heaven, it is more to help you out in life.

​@@alexmontgomery4776the saints aren't aware of us, can't intercede for us and certainly have no authority for us. That anyone prays to the dead for help is truly bewildering

It is legit doctrine because that is what scripture says plainly. Hypocrisy is a common human trait. That is one of the reasons we need faith in the first place. So, even though I understand your point I think I'll stick with the Bible and just believe that the faith placed inside me by the Gospel is sufficient to justify me before God through Christ alone. It is enough and is available to save.

Luther said that we are justified by faith alone, but true faith, the faith which justifies, changes us such that we have a desire to pursue righteousness, not that anyone is ever close to achieving perfect righteousness in this life, but true faith leads to a life of repentance, true sorrow for our sins and a desire to do better, rather than an attitude of now that I have been justified by faith I am free to pursue a life of sin.

Wrong wrong and wrong...explain then James 2:24 “do you see that a men is justified by means of works AND NOT BY FAITH ALONE? read it again “not by faith alone”...... So how can justification by faith alone can be a legitimate doctrine? It is incredible how you are not being told the truth on you church........ St Peter in Galatians 2:16 refers to the works of the Jewish law.......that was the problem with Martin Luther.....he interpreted the bible on his own and his teaching are still causing “intellectuals” to called justification by faith a “legitimate doctrine”

I initially thought that when works was mentioned that it referred to feeding the poor, preach the bible and help convert people to Christianity, do good deeds to help fellow man but instead works its just traditional repetitive sayings/prays/acts. If Roman Catholics were about works, why are they one of the wealthiest organisations in the world. Shouldn't this wealth go towards helping the poor, the starving, the handicapped. They could probably end world poverty with their wealth. I think the same way about other religions that have extreme wealth. I don't get it. What's the verse about a camel passing through the eye of a needle🤔

@@dansmith9724 the poor will always be here.....it is biblical.....In Matthew 26:11 the disciples got mad becauseMary Magdalene used her expensive perfume to clean Jesus’s foot and they were saying exactly the same thing you are saying (why using this expensive perfume on him, they said: they should give it to the poor) Jesus said to them “why are you bothering this woman??The poor you will always have with you” See, what you just said…. It is biblical already…. So don’t get too concern

@Asaph Vapor lol. Not quite, buddy. Nice try, though.

Jesus was obviously appointing Peter to be the prince of the apostles, an apostle who had pre-eminent authority over the other apostles. And we see in the book of Acts that it was Peter who was in charge, making decisions, calling meetings, presiding over those meetings, etc.

Orthodox are also Catholics. The Eastern Orthodox Catholic Church is the official name. All the churches got together in the 381 Council of Constantinople and added to the Nicene Creed the 4 Marks of the Church. "One, Holy, Catholic and Apostolic" Church. Lutheran's also recite this. "Roman" in the Roman Catholics is simply because Peter, traveled there, and stayed for a good period of time, along with Paul and spent their final days before being martyred. Rome has stood the test of time, unlike the older ancient Eastern Catholic cities that fell to Islam.

That is a misunderstanding. There only one type of catholic. Roman catholic and catholic are the same...but now a days there are many individuals that are trying to call the “Roman catholics” and “catholics” two different groups. That is why you can not tell the difference (neither they can) In every part of the world, catholic is a catholic.....period.....but in this effort to “intellectualize” faith, this type of people try to put a label on everything. There is only one church that Jesus christ founded in 33 AD and that is the Roman Catholic and Apostolic church and still prevalent for 2000 plus year and you and I will be gone and the Roman Catholic and apostolic church will still be here for other 10,000 years

All you need is a relationship with the Savior, Jesus Christ, not religion. It's that simple!

@@Mario-fs4ruwdym? he’s catholic

It only applies to the most theologically liberal sects.

Vatican 1

@Asaph Vapor umm...not so, actually.

@Asaph Vapor No, Catholics don't believe in a works based salvation. Common error amongst you Protestants though. Catholics believe in Ephesians 2:8-10.

Asaph Vapor The Rosary is a powerful tool against the Devil

@David Ortiz which church? Who is a follower of heresy to claim something about the early church?

@Asaph Vapor wrong. Done write ignorance ..It's faith which brings Grace and leads to works.

That is wrong...Anyone can legitimately baptize, as long as the correct form is used. And the intention is right. Even sn atheist can do it...As long as form, matter, snd intention are correct.

@nizbitcrit Thanks

@@daviribeiro3032 sandy grogg you are partially right....the baptism can only be done in case of imminent death Anyone baptized can do the baptism In the catholic church only a priest can give a valid sacrament (baptism, confirmation, priesthood, Matrimony , confessions, eucharist, anointing of the sick) Other protestant groups pastor bob can do as he pleases but not in the catholic church.

I never made the Petros vs. Petra argument.

Well put brother! What the early Church father wrote is crystal clear... A Protestants job is to protest (it's in there title) and also to muddy up the waters but if you truly know and understand the history of Christianity, there's absolutely no doubt that you'll be a Catholic.

@@DrJordanBCooper let's forget about Matthew 16:18 for a second. How do you respond to Luke 22:32. Jesus says to Peter specifically the following even though the rest of the apostles are present... "But I have prayed for you, Simon, that your faith may not fail. And when you have turned back, strengthen your brothers."

How would you explain John 21:17.... "The third time he said to him, "Simon son of John, do you love me?" Peter was hurt because Jesus asked him the third time, "Do you love me?" He said, "Lord, you know all things; you know that I love you." Jesus said, "Feed my sheep." You see brother, it's not just about that single chapter & verse in Matthew 16:18 that Catholics see the authority of Peter. Its also all over holy scripture and all over the writings of the early Church fathers as well.

Jordan Cooper at 2:38 in the video. sorry brother but when you define or imply “rock” as having two different intended meanings in the passage its a “petros v petra” argument. Kephas is Kephas. The early Syriac version of Matthew while admittedly not Aramaic, makes no distinction. Otherwise your interpretation must in insist that Our Lord was speaking, went into a non sequitur for half a second, and then switched back to talking about Peter to Peter again. 15 He *said to them, “But who do you say that I am?” 16 Simon Peter answered, “You are the Christ, the Son of the living God.” 17 And Jesus said to him, “Blessed are you, Simon Barjona, because flesh and blood did not reveal this to you, but My Father who is in heaven. 18 I also say to you that you are Peter, and upon this rock I will build My church; and the gates of Hades will not overpower it. 19 I will give you the keys of the kingdom of heaven; and whatever you bind on earth shall have been bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth shall have been loosed in heaven.” That confession of faith and distinction of who Jesus truly is indeed is the theological rock and foundation of understanding the faith. But how can we reasonably ignore the implication of the entire passage when Jesus: 1. Changes the name of Simon; theologically significant feature in the. Bible (Abram, Abraham, Jacob, Israel) because its a Blessing and a covenant. 2. Declares that He’s building an eternal Church. Not a temple, not a shrine but a Church that belongs solely to the Son of God. 3. Declares that He will give Peter and only Peter in the presence of all the other Apostles, keys with power to bind and loose. So then what are those keys? What is that power to bind? And what happened to that gift once Peter died?

How’s life?

Christ’s peace to you.

Did you start making a transition away from Catholicism, and was it for similar reasons? I find the praying to Mary and the saints some of the most problematic parts for me. That and purgatory.

Lutherans say they are the "Evangelical Catholic Church" and the reformed western Catholic Church. Basically, they keep all the R Catholic practices that don't contradict scripture, and discard those that do. I'm not Lutheran, but I'm looking into it because I'm thinking of switching. That's what they have told me.

1222 The beauty of man, created in the Living Image of God, is indescribable Wednesday, September 24th, 2014 @ 15:05 My dearly beloved daughter, just as My Beloved Mother was chosen by God to herald the Coming of the Messiah so, too, is she being called to prepare humanity for My Second Coming. She has been elevated into the highest Hierarchy in Heaven and has been accorded great powers by My Eternal Father. Nevertheless, she remains as was then, and as is now, and always will be, a devoted and humble servant of God. She serves Him in His Plan to raise man to the perfect state in which he was meant to be. The beauty of man, created in the Living Image of God, is indescribable. No man, woman or child on this earth can match that, which was created when God brought forth Adam and Eve. Sin was their downfall and Lucifer their enemy. Then, this perfect state was destroyed. Stained by sin, man will never regain this perfect state again until the serpent, and all those who worship him are banished. Until that day comes, the beauty of the human body and soul will remain tarnished. Man is God’s greatest love. The angels are His servants in that they, too, must show love for God’s Creatures. God’s Love for His family supersedes all that He created and, until He regains the souls of His children, He will never rest. God permits many sufferings, humiliations and tragedies, all of which are caused by the hatred of the one whom He held in the highest regard - the former Archangel Lucifier, who became Satan. Fallen because of his jealousy, pride and self-love, he caused My Father the greatest pain imaginable. And today, just as it was then, he still does the same. My Father’s loyal angels, all the saints and My beloved Mother, have formed a bond, which can never be broken. Whatever My Father dictates is carried out by His Elite Hierarchy. He is never questioned. Whatever My Father desires, is the correct way and the most powerful way. It is the way in which the human race can be saved from the curse of the evil one. That is His prerogative. No one would ever dare to question Him. In His Final Plan, the final stage in which He will bring His Plan of Salvation to an end, He will intervene in many ways. My Mother’s title, ‘The Mother of Salvation’, the final one given to her by the Eternal Father, God the Most High, is no accident. She was sent to warn the world and prepare it for the final onslaught against the human race by the evil one. She has been accorded this task and I ask that you accept this, and respond to her call for prayer at all times. The Holy Trinity will bring about many Blessings to those who respond to this, the final mission, from Heaven - the Mission of Salvation. Accept, with thanks that such favour has been shown to humanity with love and graciousness of heart. Your Beloved Jesus

Why did the spirit stop guiding most of the religious Jews of Jesus day? Their people followed God since Moses/Abraham. True faith was seemingly what they lacked though. True faith in Christ is what saves is it not? Not Apostolic succession, and not tradition? A successively linked religious hierarchy since the apostles doesn't save either. It is God who saves all in Christ. It is a gift we do not merit or attain by our ability, or our actions and activities. Actions and activities are the outworking of faith, they do not cause salvation. To say your church group is the sole giver of salvation is to make yourself a kind of savior alongside God. But God has no need of people or any churches to help him save souls. He can as scripture says create Abraham's children from the rocks. Can he not make brothers and true believers in Christ the same way?

//Why believe the early synods (e.g. the divinty of Jesus, the Nicene Creed, etc.) and the very body of scripture itself (selected from all the early writings) if not for a magisterium?// Jesus expected people to be aware of and believe and understand the OT Scriptures and there was no religious magisterium at the time. With your Catholic understanding, how is this even possible?

Why would the spirit say that there is one mediator in scripture, then contradict itself through the roman church, by making Mary another mediator? Christ undoubtedly is enough. Yet the Magisterium of Rome thought christians needed another mediator to get right with God

@@geoffrobinson The "Magisterium" would have been local church leadership. The elders of the church. And once in awhile the bishops/elders would meet together for important issues.

That question also applies to the establishment of vatican 2

The bible was not written by the Roman religion. Let's pretend they did, then why the Roman church's 95% of doctrines and dogmas are unbiblical?

@@derekl4619 whether you like it or not or against what your pastor had told you....sorry to burst you bubble but i have to inform you that the bible was selected, approved, written by the christian catholics......year 317-330 ad.... Waaaay before you pastor and his church and Martin Luther even existed Truth huts man, truth hurts...

To the apostles and Jesus, 'Faith' entailed 'Obedience' (or faithfulness). Neither Paul nor James said what you claimed.

@@tysonguess Yes they did. Not word for word but the same concept.

Yunus Ahmed The problem with “sola fide” is that it’s no where in the Bible and no where taught in the early church. The only place in the Bible where faith alone is it says you’re saved “not by faith alone” Faith and works is what gets you saved. St. Paul says if you do anything without love it means nothing, Jesus says to receive his body and blood or else you have no life within you. These are things we’re suppose to do with our faith.

@@nicholassellers6249 What about Romans 4 and the entire book of Galatians? And Ephesians 2:8-9? The Bible states multiple times works fo not save you and are not meritorious. That if we believe and Jesus and confess with our mouth that he is Lord then we are saved. No room for works in there. And James says faith without works is dead because faith will logically produce works. Therefore faith alone saves but faith will never be alone.

Yunus Ahmed The Bible never says “Faith Alone” it says faith will save but not faith alone. What do you think about Jesus saying we much eat of his body and drink of his blood to have life within us? Or Paul saying you must have love? Catholics believe we do not receive grace through our works but only through the grace of God. Our faith will produce good works but if we have no love our faith means nothing. Most importantly though, you must eat the flesh and drink the blood of our savior. He stresses it so deeply and it’s one of the most beautiful things about the Catholic Church. To be able to receive Jesus, life itself. He says at the last supper “do this in remembrance of me” but Protestants don’t do it nearly enough.

He’s not saying that the Bishop of Rome didn’t exist, but rather it’s not the head of the church.

@@EpicWarTurtle Then I'd point to Zelie's reference to Eusebius but go a bit further to Pope Victor's excommunication of Asian churches.

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The doctrine of justification is the main reason not to be Eastern Orthodox.

YES! PLEASE! I'm a former eastern orthodox and I really need help!

Ryan Dacoregio What are you now, a Lutheran?

@@thenopasslook Yes! I'm attending a Lutheran church. It's been great, but my Eastern Orthodox friends have not made things easier for me ... I had to stop talking to them, at least temporarily, to devote myself to trying to understand what's happening to me.

Ryan Dacoregio What are they saying to you?

I would like to see his answer, too, if he responds.

This is his response. kzfaq.info/get/bejne/ppOgn9Bn0srPfYE.html I would also add something he doesn't say; namely, other Protestant denominations such as Pentecostal have many miracles, healings, deliverances, etc., too. Some have said the Marian apparitions 'could be' advanced technology, and it's possible it existed back then at the time of Fatima because there was even more advanced technology in certain past times than we have today.

@@doriesse824 me too

Peter was the leader of the apostles. How does that transitions into Papal infallibility? Why would they call councils in the book of acts and the early church if they thought Peter’s opinion was always right? Why not just ask him lol

@@elumayo4090 What is Papal infallibility and what does it entail?

.. That theology is not limited to Calvinism.

Barb Wellman yeah Calvinism 1500 years later if your claiming that is truth then your claiming Jesus was a terrible teacher left everyone in Limbo until they reformation and later John Calvin such garbage it’s laughable...

.. John, Let us be more charitable here. Much of these disagreements stem from each side defining certain terms differently. Also, I think that we can agree that Jesus was NOT "a terrible teacher..", the phrase you wrote above, here. You don't believe that, either.... but it would be better not to even write such, even to try to make a point... because it's too "flippant". Agree?

34Packardphaeton no it’s truth I know Jesus is the greatest teacher ever and the quotes and writings prove that the problem is you want to come in 1500 years later and claim its truth but that is ridiculous but let’s talk about the founder of the reformation Martin Luther here is some quotes he said www.davidlgray.info/2013/09/11/500-years-of-protestantism-the-33-most-ridiculous-things-martin-luther-ever-wrote/. Is that a guy to follow I mean he inspired Hitler hey but then again that goes with coming in 1500 years later and putting aside Jesus Christ Church and his teachings and sacraments...

False, the sacrificial nature of the mass is a re sacrifice of Christ, the host. The substitutionary sacrifice of Christ is performed over and over by Catholics for grace. Calvin and Anselm both beleived in substitionary atonement.

Think for yourself and ask God yourself with real intent which church to join. Still have whatever respect you can for other different believers that likely have a similar story of finding the one real truth. I'm positive various people of various faiths will say they found the "real" God. Yet, all of many different beliefs. I still doubt the answer is for all of us to fight, shun, and disrespect each other till we're all dead or one left standing.

@@bobbq8380 Hey brother, I believe Jesus is the only way, you know it was a beautiful and difficult time, I was left with just God, no assurance from men, just from the Word of God and Holy Spirit guiding me. God lead me to another level of life with Him months after. Now I feel more close to God. It was a hard moment, struggling with faith. Listen the music from Norton Hall Band He will Hold me fast

Lutheran follows a "faith alone" doctrine.

which way do you lean on that? I am also former Roman, but then leaned more reformed , then found the Lutheran view of election faithful to scriptural ideas since it was willing to follow the twists and turns of scripture on the matter.

@@ChrisB-ms8cd More on the Arminian side

​@@user-se3zq2hn6t impossible since Luther was before Arminius.

Man, Im a catholic and always will be.

Colin, sorry for your loss

If that is your logic ...why wasn’t Mary’s name changed?

@David OrtizTelling him, his eyes tell that he lies, is insulting and disrespectful. Shame on you.

@@opfipip3711Um, no. Your incorrect rewording of it is disrespectful. Sayings like"your eyes can tell you lies", or "your eyes may deceive you," or "your eyes can play tricks on you," are very old. They simply mean that a person can be deceived. In which case, the fault is mostly in the one who deceives, and to a lesser extent in the one deceived (especially if the latter lacks the information or wisdom not to see the problems / faults in what is being told or shown them.

There is no Solar Scripta, try to be less sly next time.

λόγος Απολογία exactly! I grew up Lutheran (now Roman Catholic) and I always wondered why we only believe in parts of different councils instead of the whole council. Protestantism/Lutheranism is quite silly when it come to Church history.

@@TheTrustingGamer Yeah, it reminds me of a St. Augustine quote. "If you are picking from a source, you are not using the source, you are the source." It's a logical inconsistency. Also, I'm Eastern Orthodox. (P.s type Jay Dyer on youtube). God Bless.

λόγος Απολογία that’s a good quote, and yeah I’ll search up Jay Dyer. I love Eastern Orthodoxy by the way, it’s the most beautiful liturgy in my opinion.

@@TheTrustingGamer Your learn alot about Orthodox Theology by Jay Dyer. Respond back, when you have watched some of his theological talks. And thankyou for that compliment.

@@TheTrustingGamer I am a Ex Calvinist Protestant.

Ναι!! Είναι η αλήθεια!!!

1) The Eucharistic miracle in itself does not justify anything. 2) What happened to the bronze serpent? He was destroyed as soon as they worshiped him in 2 Kings 18:4

@@CamminareSulleAcque so you’re agreeing the miracles take place but you’re saying satan is responsible or God performing miracles by placing his own blood into the bread is not important?

Sancti Pius X, ORA PRO NOBIS! ✝️

Timothy Freeman Giuseppe Sarto

@FaithHopeGrace Are they dead or are they alive in Christ and in heaven? Serious question. I don't believe saints are omnipresent though, so I don't pray to them

Him Bike; John 17 says Jesus prays for us.

@FaithHopeGrace If they're not omniscient, how can saints in heaven hear prayers from us here?

He gave the same keys to all the Apostles later. Jesus, Paul, and Andrew founded the Eastern Orthodox Church. Jesus, Stephen, the eunuch, and Mark founded the Oriental Orthodox Church. Jesus, Thaddeus, Bartholomew and Thomas founded the Church of the East. Each one claims to be the One Holy Catholic and Apostolic Church. These claims are as legitimate as yours. Jesus also called Simon "Satan" shortly after calling him Petros. But Jesus never called the petra "Satan."

@@Mygoalwogel Who is Petra? And the eastern orthodox and Oriental orthodox were united with Rome at First. Where does Jesus give the keys to the other Apostels?

Όχι. Ο Πέτρος είναι ο Πέτρος και όχι η πέτρα. Η πέτρα είναι στο θηλυκό και η εκκλησία είναι επίσης στο θηλυκό και στον ενικό. Αυτό σημαίνει ότι ο Πέτρος σίγουρα δεν είναι η πέτρα πάνω στην οποία έχτισε ο Ιησούς την εκκλησία του

@@Mygoalwogelthat is so wrong. 1 by “initiating” the orthodox churches does not mean that Jesus gave them the keys of heaven. You have to understand that Jesus refers to heaven being where he returned, where he claimed to be coming from. He once said “my kingdom is not from this world”....so how Jesus gave the keys to found his kingdom on this world?..... You are so lost....unbelievable Jesus calls Peter “satan “.......yes I agree.....how many times have you though like Peter in your life?....Jesus in Matthew 16:-23 says “you are a stumbling block to me.....how many times have you be a stumbling block for someone? I will tell you myself.....many times.....and that means (according to Jesus) I have though like Satan....correct.... do you understand?...and I will tell you more about St Peter 1 he cut the ear of the high priest servant 2 he had a weak faith (he doubted when he was walking with Jesus in the water) 3 he denied Jesus not 1 not 2 but 3 times 4 he did not want jesus to wash his foot And guess what...... 1he was the only one that identified Jesus to be the son of god 2 Jesus gave them the keys of heaven to ONLY HIM 3 Jesus told him three times if he loved him and Jesus told him”feed my lambs” That guy my friend with all the human weaknesses and attributes and defects, is what is called the pope I think you are perfect to be saying things like “well he call him satan”....... get the full story and dont take things out of context

@@Mario-fs4ru The thing that refutes the popes is not their human defects but their contradiction of the truth. Lateran Council 1 Canon 21: We absolutely forbid priests, deacons, subdeacons, and monks to have concubines or to contract marriage. Lateran Council 2 Canon 6: For since they should be and be called the temple of God, the vessel of the Lord, the abode of the Holy Spirit, it is *unbecoming* that they *indulge in marriage* and in *impurities.* 1 Timothy 4:1-3 Now the Spirit expressly says that in later times some will depart from the faith by devoting themselves to deceitful spirits and *teachings of demons,* through the insincerity of liars whose consciences are seared, who *forbid marriage* 1 Corinthians 9:5 *Do we not have the right* to take along a believing wife, as do the other apostles and the brothers of the Lord and Cephas? Canon 21 continued: We decree in accordance with the definitions of the sacred canons, that *marriages already contracted by such persons must be dissolved,* and that the persons be condemned to do penance. Matthew 19:6 So they are no longer two but one flesh. What therefore God has joined together, let not man separate. Innocent III, 1204 "We destine specially to this, that the material sword may be sanctioned to supply the defect of the spiritual sword, and you, besides the temporal glory which you will attain from so pious and praiseworthy a work, may obtain that pardon for sins, which we grant as an indulgence for the remission of their sins, since we want those who faithfully shall have laboured against the heretics to rejoice in the same indulgence as we grant as an indulgence for those crossing the sea for the aid of the Holy Land." Lateran Council 4 Canon 3: Secular authorities, whatever office they may hold, shall be admonished and induced and if necessary compelled by ecclesiastical censure, that as they wish to be esteemed and numbered among the faithful, so for the defense of the faith they ought publicly to take an oath that they will strive in good faith and *to the best of their ability to exterminate* (pro viribus exterminare studebunt) in the territories subject to their jurisdiction all heretics pointed out by the Church. _Ad extirpanda_ of Pope Innocent IV: We decree that the head of state [...] shall observe, both what is written herein, and other regulations and laws both ecclesiastical and civil, that are published against heretical wickedness. [...] No heretical man or woman may dwell, sojourn, or maintain a bare subsistence in the country, or any kind of jurisdiction or district belonging to it, whoever shall find the heretical man or woman shall boldly seize, with impunity, all his or their goods, and freely carry them off. [...] The head of state, or whatever ruler stands foremost in the public esteem, must cause the heretics who have been arrested in this manner to be taken to whatever jurisdiction the Diocesan, or his surrogate, is in, or whatever district, or city, or place the Diocesan bishop wishes to take them to. [...] *The head of state or ruler **_must force_** all the heretics whom he has in custody, provided he does so without killing them or breaking their arms or legs* to confess their errors and accuse other heretics whom they know. Jesus gave the binding and loosing keys to all the Apostles in Matt 18:18.

According to catholic lore, Mary has a throne next to gods throne. Why does she have to pray to him when shes sitting rite next to him?

thomas hess As Christians, we ask Mary to pray for us because we understand she is in heaven with our Lord. Now why pray to Mary in the first place? Because Jesus has given us his Blessed Mother as our great spiritual mother (Rev.12:17), a heavenly advocate who intercedes for us. Some Christians will ask, “Why pray to Mary when we can go directly to Jesus?” And yet they have no problem asking others here on earth to pray for them, instead of simply and solely praying to Jesus on their own. Indeed, St. Paul says that God grants blessings “in answer to many prayers” (2 Cor. 1:11). And if the prayer of a righteous man on earth avails much with God (Jas. 5:16-18), how much more would prayers from one who has finished the race and now reigns with Christ in heaven? Given their heavenly perfection in Jesus, which would include perfection in charity and thus concern for their brothers and sisters in Christ on earth (see 1 Cor. 2:12-26), we should not be surprised that Scripture presents these holy men and women of heaven bringing our prayers to Jesus the Lamb (Rev. 5:8), and that from the early Church onward Christians have asked the intercession of the saints who have gone before them to heaven. In this light, we see that the saints-as faithful disciples of Jesus-are his collaborators, not his competitors in interceding for us. Consequently, because Mary is the Mother of God and the disciple par excellence (see Luke 1:28, 38), we should not be surprised that she is our preeminent intercessor among the angels and saints.

@@SuperrBoyful Hi, you make it seem so logical.

@Asaph Vapor So you admit the Vatican is the Temple?

Asaph Vapor 1 Cor 6:19 Do u not know that your body is a temple of the Holy Spirit

David Ortiz Yes, because saying a couple Hail Marys to have God forgive you your sins is definitely a Tradition from God.

To play the devil's advocate here, Lutherans believe in the real presence of Christ in the Eucharist too.

In communion, Lutherans believe that it is the true body and blood of our Lord Jesus Christ under the bread and wine, for us as Christians to eat and to drink, instituted by Christ himself. See Matthew 26:26, 28.

@@al4381 : A question: At a Lutheran service, how do the bread and wine become the Body and Blood of Jesus?

No answers to my question yet? The response should be that no matter what Lutherans believe, (and these beliefs certainly do vary, as you know), during a Lutheran Service the bread and wine remain bread and wine. The Lutheran minister is not in the line of Apostolic Succession.

@@alhilford2345 bingo

Robert Sparkes, dont trade it for the world, trade it for the truth about God. I know you sincerely believe it is true, I too have been there, but I suggest you study the bible, learn church history, ask God to reveal truth. I recommend Fred Tarsitano especially his 9 part series on the original of the RCC. Blessings.

@Chad _Monarch because before GOD created the moon , stars , sun and even the earth . GOD knows that you will born in the roman catholic church

I didn't realize that they weren't on. I'll fix it.

u did the wrong math, there is one, one jesus that is the way, the truth, and the life. He is all those, he is one. there is not 1 of each

@@Theaddekalk There is one way to heaven. There is one Truth. There is one Life. Yes they are one that's called the Holy Trinity. We can talk about one at a time.

.. Romans 10:17 .. "Faith comes by hearing, and hearing by the Word of God."

@@34Packardphaeton Hearing=Listening=Obedience as in Simon Cephas translates to Obedient Rock. The new leader of the 12 Tribes of Israel. He was taught by Jesus what to teach others, that is why one needs to listen to the teachings of the Catholic Church. Don't forget that St Paul was an Apostle of the Catholic Church who taught the same message as the First Pope. Thank you.

... The original church of the Gospel of Jesus Christ.. eventually strayed from the true and genuine Gospel. The Roman Catholic church is not infallible; neither are they the same church today as the original church began by Christ with his apostles. Faith and salvation comes to individuals via the Holy Spirit --- it does not come via any church, least of all the church of Rome. Thank you.

In the book of Acts, the person who spoke for Christ and led the saints was the Holy Spirit.

@@jeromepopiel388 You know Peter called the shots, right?

Timothy Freeman He gave the keys to all the apostles, peter was a leader of the apostles and is the first among equals, but there’s no reason to believe that peter and his successors were able to speak truth infallibility from either scripture or early church tradition.

Timothy Freeman,I understand the Catholic reasoning for this. If Peter is now the new replacement for Jesus Christ and the HS and possibly Peter went to Rome, then the Bishop of Rome can day "I am the Holy One. You must all look to Me. I am the one bridge (holy pontiff) and there is no other" But fortunately St. Peter did write letters to the church and in I Pt. Ch. 5 v1 Peter clearly says he is an elder the same as the elders he writes to, not an elder of elders as some claim. All I need to do is read it. Plain and simple.

@@elumayo4090 "Whatever you bind on Earth shall be bound in Heaven, and whatever you loose on Earth shall be loosed in Heaven."

@Asaph Vapor "Not Many agreed".. WOW!!! Really!!! Well, Read These: Cyprian of Carthage : “The Lord says to Peter: ‘I say to you,’ he says, ‘that you are Peter, and upon this rock I will build my Church.’ . . . On him [Peter] he builds the Church, and to him he gives the command to feed the sheep [John 21:17], and although he assigns a like power to all the apostles, yet he founded a single chair [cathedra], and he established by his own authority a source and an intrinsic reason for that unity. Indeed, the others were that also which Peter was [i.e., apostles], but a primacy is given to Peter, whereby it is made clear that there is but one Church and one chair. So too, all [the apostles] are shepherds, and the flock is shown to be one, fed by all the apostles in single-minded accord. If someone does not hold fast to this unity of Peter, can he imagine that he still holds the faith? If he [should] desert the chair of Peter upon whom the Church was built, can he still be confident that he is in the Church?” (The Unity of the Catholic Church 4; 1st edition [A.D. 251]). Ephraim the Syrian : “[Jesus said:] Simon, my follower, I have made you the foundation of the holy Church. I betimes called you Peter, because you will support all its buildings. You are the inspector of those who will build on Earth a Church for me. If they should wish to build what is false, you, the foundation, will condemn them. You are the head of the fountain from which my teaching flows; you are the chief of my disciples. Through you I will give drink to all peoples. Yours is that life-giving sweetness which I dispense. I have chosen you to be, as it were, the firstborn in my institution so that, as the heir, you may be executor of my treasures. I have given you the keys of my kingdom. Behold, I have given you authority over all my treasures” (Homilies 4:1 [A.D. 351]). Jerome : “‘But,’ you [Jovinian] will say, ‘it was on Peter that the Church was founded’ [Matt. 16:18]. Well . . . one among the twelve is chosen to be their head in order to remove any occasion for division” (Against Jovinian 1:26 [A.D. 393]). The Letter of Clement to James : “Be it known to you, my lord, that Simon [Peter], who, for the sake of the true faith, and the most sure foundation of his doctrine, was set apart to be the foundation of the Church, and for this end was by Jesus himself, with his truthful mouth, named Peter, the first fruits of our Lord, the first of the apostles; to whom first the Father revealed the Son; whom the Christ, with good reason, blessed” (Letter of Clement to James 2 [A.D. 221]). Origen : “[I]f we were to attend carefully to the Gospels, we should also find, in relation to those things which seem to be common to Peter . . . a great difference and a preeminence in the things [Jesus] said to Peter, compared with the second class [of apostles]. For it is no small difference that Peter received the keys not of one heaven but of more, and in order that whatsoever things he binds on earth may be bound not in one heaven but in them all, as compared with the many who bind on earth and loose on earth, so that these things are bound and loosed not in [all] the heavens, as in the case of Peter, but in one only; for they do not reach so high a stage with power as Peter to bind and loose in all the heavens” (Commentary on Matthew 13:31 [A.D. 248]). Tertullian : “For though you think that heaven is still shut up, remember that the Lord left the keys of it to Peter here, and through him to the Church, which keys everyone will carry with him if he has been questioned and made a confession [of faith]” (Antidote Against the Scorpion 10 [A.D. 211]). “[T]he Lord said to Peter, ‘On this rock I will build my Church, I have given you the keys of the kingdom of heaven [and] whatever you shall have bound or loosed on earth will be bound or loosed in heaven’ [Matt. 16:18-19]. . . . Upon you, he says, I will build my Church; and I will give to you the keys, not to the Church” (Modesty 21:9-10 [A.D. 220]). Cyprian of Carthage : “The Lord says to Peter: ‘I say to you,’ he says, ‘that you are Peter, and upon this rock I will build my Church, and the gates of hell will not overcome it. And to you I will give the keys of the kingdom of heaven . . . ’ [Matt. 16:18-19]. On him [Peter] he builds the Church, and to him he gives the command to feed the sheep [John 21:17], and although he assigns a like power to all the apostles, yet he founded a single chair [cathedra], and he established by his own authority a source and an intrinsic reason for that unity. Indeed, the others were that also which Peter was [i.e., apostles], but a primacy is given to Peter, whereby it is made clear that there is but one Church and one chair. . . . If someone does not hold fast to this unity of Peter, can he imagine that he still holds the faith? If he [should] desert the chair of Peter upon whom the Church was built, can he still be confident that he is in the Church?” (The Unity of the Catholic Church 4; 1st edition [A.D. 251]). “There is one God and one Christ, and one Church, and one chair founded on Peter by the word of the Lord. It is not possible to set up another altar or for there to be another priesthood besides that one altar and that one priesthood. Whoever has gathered elsewhere is scattering” (Letters 43[40]:5 [A.D. 253]). “There [John 6:68-69] speaks Peter, upon whom the Church would be built, teaching in the name of the Church and showing that even if a stubborn and proud multitude withdraws because it does not wish to obey, yet the Church does not withdraw from Christ” (ibid., 66[69]:8). Ephraim the Syrian : “[Jesus said:] ‘Simon, my follower, I have made you the foundation of the holy Church. I betimes called you Peter, because you will support all its buildings. You are the inspector of those who will build on earth a Church for me. If they should wish to build what is false, you, the foundation, will condemn them. You are the head of the fountain from which my teaching flows; you are the chief of my disciples’” (Homilies 4:1 [A.D. 351]). Ambrose of Milan : “[Christ] made answer: ‘You are Peter, and upon this rock will I build my Church. . . . ’ Could he not, then, strengthen the faith of the man to whom, acting on his own authority, he gave the kingdom, whom he called the rock, thereby declaring him to be the foundation of the Church [Matt. 16:18]?” (The Faith 4:5 [A.D. 379]). “It is to Peter that he says: ‘You are Peter, and upon this rock I will build my Church’ [Matt. 16:18]. Where Peter is, there is the Church. And where the Church is, no death is there, but life eternal” (Commentary on Twelve Psalms of David 40:30 [A.D. 389]).

To whom was Jesus referring five verses later, when He addresses Peter as "Satan"? Jesus was - obviously - referring not to Peter, who later denied Him three times, but what Peter said, in both verses.

Lutheran

Katarzyna Czajkowska To Christ, through Mary. ❤️

Katarzyna Czajkowska My soul magnifies the Lord. ❤️

The Fullness of the Truth of Mary that we have today can only be found in the RCC.

@@Mygoalwogel Thank you for your answer. But it did not meet the three points I was asking.

@@opfipip3711 1. Reliable or not, we read the sermons and Bible notes of the church fathers and later Bible readers to balance out our own 20-21st century biases. The earlier readers are not necessarily better than later. 2. One reason Lutherans don't present tradition as an equal authority to Scripture is because the church fathers are capable of error. Scripture isn't. 3. I don't know what you mean.

Because heretics never admit they are

Exactly, there is nothing more costistent then the teachings of the Catholic church, even to the point of being a pure miracle for all to see.

Limbo was tossed out. Vat II says anyone can go to heaven, even Jews. The CC now admits the earth goes around the sun. Catholic dogma said the sun went around the earth, and it would burn you to death if you said otherwise.

V2 does not say Jews can go to heaven.

@@thomashess6211 It does not say that jews go to heaven. Where do you get from? Read the catechism before you criticize what you think is Catholic dogma.

@@braix7405 The catechism isnt the gospel. I am in no way required to believe it. Only catholics fall for that pack of falsehoods. Sorry.

With all grace and charity I have to say it WAS fallible and incorrect because it denied scriptures clear teaching on justification. Justification in the Catholic Church simply isn't what Paul, James, or any of the NT teaches on the subject. The Catholic view is that we are justified by faith and works. Now, it is NOT works based Salvation (I used to believe that, but I apologize to my Catholic brothers and sisters as, learning what y'all really believe has shown me that), it is grace based, but it is an incorrect understanding of what Justification is. Justification is being declared righteous before God through faith in Jesus Christ (Romans 5:1). In Catholic doctrine, righteousness isn't imputed but infused (with grace), and, by "working out our faith with fear and trembling", we become MORE righteous before God as we work. There's a correct emphasis that we need to work, but it incorrectly applies this to Justification RATHER than Sanctification. Sanctification is becoming more like Christ, growing in holiness. But it's not what determines our status before God, it's what develops our communion with God.

@@UltraX34You should not elevate your own understanding to infallible truth, my friend Ify. You are called to accept the Gospel; not to design your own...

@God Save the Tsar Would you like to argue that every word of VII is infallible? That is absolute nonsense. Pastoral guiding cannot be infallible.

@God Save the Tsar Thank you for your reply. Can you give a few examples of infallible teachings of VAII then?

@God Save the Tsar So you are saying that Nostra Aetate is infallible, even when previous statements from councils and popes contradict this document? Either Nostra Aetate is wrong or many previous councils and popes have been wrong. That is a fact of logic. And if it is indeed true that so many previous councils and popes have been wrong, it means that the statements they made were obviously very fallible. And in case they (councils and popes) were fallible in the past, what on earth makes you say that Nostra Aetate is infallible?? If all previous councils and popes have been wrong, why would this council be right then?? They were all fallible and only VAII is infallible??

then in the next v erse he says; I give you the keys of the Kingdom... (you must think you are very smart, don't you?)

@@silveriorebelo8045 Hes smart enough not to bow befor idols of wood and stone.

@@thomashess6211 you clearly have no idea what you’re talking about ...

@@3leon306 OK, ill change that to....hes stupid enough not to bow befor idols of wood and stone. There is that better?

@Chad _Monarch Are you sure? I thought Peter was made of wood. Live and learn i always say. Gosh, how did you get to be so smart?

He was describing the more idolatrous aspect. Some of that disturbs me, when it comes to praying, kneeling and bowing to statues of saints. Another part is the Catholic notion of communion of the saints. It's all to heaven and wanting saints to pray for you, because they are seen as more righteous. The saints referred to in the bible are us though, the church, the members of the church and we are to pray for and comfort one another. The living get left for the dead in CAtholic communion of the saints.

What do you mean?

tintinismybelgian you can not think the 5 reason why human always against GOD? God give simple request don't eat the apple....same thing Roman Catholic is first Christian church, but no we always want to find different answer that satisfied ourselves. Another priest with another video said 5 reason why I become Anglican, Pentecostal, Methodist, baptist, Scientology ?

tintinismybelgian I hope you get my point...I just using question for question. you should get my point, because today said real Jesus come back to us and he will said something to us, we still going to decide move away from him again, and we will find another alternative reason to come up with separation from the original.

​@@kakashichannel413 It may seem fair (to you) to compare someone who disagrees with the RCC on the basis of serious theological differences (and therefore does not associate himself with that particular denomination) to Adam and Eve who rebelled against God because of their selfish desires and lack of trust in God's word. However, most people probably would have a hard time equating the two situations.

tintinismybelgian there is 7 branch with 60 denominations currently. I am pretty sure numbers will keep going up in the next hundred years. Example game that 12 people line up and first person get the first message and later transferred message to 2nd person and up to the last person that message will not be the same anymore. That is why when you see the worlds have many believers that contradict each other's, some not sure to believe and more start not believe anything anymore, because the message is not truth anymore. RCC 1st century and Lutheran 16th century (from google) could be wrong don't quote this one.

Yeah, terrible argument

MATHEW ALDEN----That would be nice if HE and HIS apostles spoke GREEK. Unfortunately, they spoke Aramaic ! Peter in Aramaic means Large Boulder ROCK ! Thou art [ ROCK ] and upon this ROCK I will build MY church. Clear as a bell for truth seekers !

@Asaph Vapor IT WAS SPOKEN IN ARAMAIC ! OK, lets pretend what it means in Greek ! Then you can change it to make it fit what YOU want it to mean ! [ as usual ]

@Asaph Vapor Thet spoke Aramaic. You don't like it SO don't believe it, like SO many verses in the bible you don't like and don't believe ! EG: "This IS MY body", you don't like it SO you don't believe it !

@Asaph Vapor Which part of the bible has all of your religion's songs, prayers etc. Ever hear of a history book ?

Why did the POPE and bishops pay homage to a Mayan goddess at OCTOBER AMAZON SYNOD 2019? A BOWL dedicated to idol worzhip was on altar @st Peter basilica during Mass.

Scott Hahn supports the RC version of the Catholic faith....a bit different from eastern Orthodox church.

@@michaelciccone2194 This was outright heretical...Not to mention a total embarrassment. It was at this point that I began to consider leaving yfrcCstholic Church.Francis’ s obvious support for Biden...and his connection to China has befn disheartening, to say the least.

Honestly? I've always found his books to be theological light-weights. I read lots of theology books. Their depth and breadth are reflected in part by the index, and the number of pages. Hahn writes skinny little hard backs,...AND AT THAT THEY ARE DOUBLE SPACED (or one-and-a-half spaced). Yeash! Talk about propheteering off of next to nothing! They are little more than a magazine article in hardback! ...My seminary papers had more substance to them than any one of his books! There. I finally said it.

@@michaelciccone2194 Because he's very likely an "anti-pope." This has been prophesied by many Catholic Saints and visionaries.

Martin Luther said Mary cannot be honored enough. He had a strong devotion to Mary. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lutheran_Mariology

@@JJ-cw3nf Luther was wrong.

MARIANNE HEDSTROM----Do you know that Luther had a very strong devotion to Mary ? Do you know that he took books out of the bible ? He wanted to remove "James" but cooler heads restrained him ! Your bible is missing about seven books ! Do you read all these curses hurled at the Catholic church for having confession ? You have confession. Many Lutheran ministers and people are becoming Catholic by studying the early church teachings, believing their bibles and rejecting the hatred of the RCC. in Protestantism. The Holy Sacrifice of the Mass is unchanged since 33AD. !

DAVID ORTIZ-----Anything our Saviour's church, that is guided by the Holy Spirit, does, must be discarded, according to A/VAPOR. HE promised to be with it for ever but it must not do anything, say anything or have Peter's successors say one word even though it is guided by the Holy Spirit. Have you heard the rumour that the Holy Spirit is guiding 30K to 40K bickering, disagreeing, bible-verse changing Protestant churches ? I am not sure about the 2.3 new Protestant churches that are springing up every day. [ Wikipedia ]

@Asaph Vapor I am talking about history. You are talking about what you want to believe. These pages are jammed with " it must be true, I want to believe it" !

@Asaph Vapor SEZ YOU !

@Asaph Vapor IT is AN HISTORICAL FACT, NOT AN OPINION, THAT LUTHER WANTED TO REMOVE "JAMES" FROM THE BIBLE. CHECK IT OUT ! He wanted tp remove it because he did NOT agree with it ! ! ! [ stonehead ! ! ]

I’ll say, none. Their church, Lutheran, comes from the heretic German monk Martin Luther, not from the church fathers from early Christianity. I’m still surprised that people would argue theology when the Protestant schism was nothing more than a political conflict that used religion as the pretext. It was the German princes of the HRE that opposed the Emperor Charles V and his idea of ‘Universitas Christiana’ which removed the title of ‘heretic’ and made a ‘reformer’ out of Luther. Luther was a bad man. He advocated for the killing of thousands of German peasants on behalf of his protectors. I do believe that his intention at the beginning was sincere, we see that initially he didn’t challenge the authority of the Church, and tbh the Church did needed to correct some of the abuses.

@@victor382 What a bunch of nonsense lmao

@@definitionhighguy what is the nonsense?

The apostles couldn't remove some demons even using the Holy name and they asked Jesus His reply was that some demons need to be prayed over. So that seems to back up what you say.

@@Kitiwake Matthew 17:18-20 is one time where the disciples couldn't drive out the demon. I think this is what you're referring to. I'm not entirely sure myself but my understanding was that they weren't strong enough in the faith to cast out the demon. It says that very clearly in Matthew 17:18-20 NIV (New International Version)

Papist exorcist can’t even exorcise their own institution of spirits of idolatry and child abuse in their own clergy.

All the believer are rocks, as livings rock where the church is build, the church is spirtual no a physical institution. Have you ever read about the 1000 years of Christ in Earth ? Please read the Bible and stop believing in what Clement of Ignatius said. Romans, Tesalonians, Corinthians to begin.

@@miguelangelmartinez3908 Miguel, why should I believe the Bible and not Clement or Ignatius? Clement and Ignatius were Catholic bishops, and it was Catholic nishops who compiled the Bible in the first place, at the Council of Hippo, 393 a.d. Without the Catholic Church there would be no Bible today, at least no New Testament.

@@miguelangelmartinez3908 All believers did not have their names changed by God to "Cephas" or rock. Big difference when God changes your name. Ask Abraham or Jacob.

@Asaph Vapor All 27 books that now make up the New Testament were all written in the first century, true. But until 393 a.d., when the Church made her definitive decision, there was disagreement among good orthodox Christians as to what books should go in and which ones not. In some areas Didache, Letter of Clement, Shepherd of Hermas, Gospel of Barnabus, Gospel of Peter, Gospel of Thomas, and other books wete considered scriptural and were read from at church services. In some areas Hebrews, James, and Revelation were omitted. In some places Luke was considered to be the only true Gospel. Until 96 a.d. neither the Gospel of John nor Revelation had been written, so first century Christians were without these two books. Which books should go in and which ones not? The Church---the Catholic Church----decided all this at the Council of Hippo, 393 a.d., later upheld by other councils. As far as the Old Testament is concerned, some early Christians, such as St. Augustine, said I and II Maccabees, Tobit, Judith, Esther, Baruch, Sirach, and Wisdom should be included, because Alexandtrian Jews accepted them, but other Christians, such as Sts. Athanasius and Jerome, said they should not because Palestinian Jews did not recognize them. Other Christians said III and IV Maccabees and III and IV Esadras should be included (the Greek Orthodox Bible today still has these four books). Somebody had to make a definitive authoritative ruling. Who did? The bishops of the Catholic Church did, at the Council of Hippo, 393 a.d. Do you think all the early Christians had Bibles on their coffee tables? No. Before the sixteenth century only anout 5 to 10 percent of the population could read. And a hand-copied Bible of 66 or 73 or 76 books cost about a year's salary for the average person. Average people in ancient times and throughout the Middle Ages simply did not have books . Any kind of book at all was too expensive and very few people could read. The Church never said people couldn't read correctly translated Bibles or own them. But most people did not have their own Bibles because of the reasons listed above. The Church did burn heretically translated Bibles as per Acts 19:19. Whenever you crack open your Bible to read it, thank the Catholic Church. That's where it came from.

@Asaph Vapor If you won't listen to or believe councils of Catholic bishops, why do you believe in the Bible? Without the Catholic Council of Hippo, 393 a.d., there would be no Bible today.