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Science of Loud

Science of Loud

Жыл бұрын

There's a solution to 3-a-side headstock tuning issues, show that G string who's boss!
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@MrJingles021
@MrJingles021 Жыл бұрын
I have 3 Les Pauls and each has a String Butler. They are amazing. They work so damn well. Once my guitar is warmed up, it does not go out tune at all. Side note, you can also mount them on the middle string posts and invert the string butler. It helps with thicker strings for dropped tunings.
@D14V0R05
@D14V0R05 Жыл бұрын
Gibson could easily place the tuners in an arrow formation while retaining the same headstock shape by using longer tuning pegs, but that would mean to them modifying the "classic" shape of their guitars. Maybe they should do a "modern" series that actually employed modern features such as contour cuts, neck volute, satin finish necks and those better placed tuners.
@ScienceofLoud
@ScienceofLoud Жыл бұрын
Now that they've spent a couple of years re-establishing their catalogue of classic instruments, that's exactly the approach I believe they should take. Keep offering the stuff everyone already knows just the way we remember it, but also have a line of modern variations that take into account the design improvements that have been made over the last half century. An ideal opportunity to rethink their headstocks, construction, colour options, and feature sets. Let's hope the new CEO is leading the company in that direction rather than expending efforts aggressively pursuing legal action against any builder with a single cut design.
@killroy123
@killroy123 Жыл бұрын
@@ScienceofLoud Best we can do is a re-issue of the Greeney re-issue
@Kylora2112
@Kylora2112 Жыл бұрын
@@ScienceofLoud PRS and Kiesel have the best 3+3 headstock designs for keeping that semi-vintage vibe with total modern mechanical sensibilities. Kiesel has a perfect straight pull, too (PRS still has a very slight angle, and Kiesel's is just a better reworking of it). Now, would the big Not-CS Guitars design String Butler fit on a Dean headstock? Would definitely make my mod project Z stay in tune a bit better...
@ScienceofLoud
@ScienceofLoud Жыл бұрын
@Kylora It was one of these oversized Bulters I purchased for my Flying V initially and the Dean headstock is that taken to the extreme. I think this should fit the Dean: thmn.to/thoprod/456798?offid=1&affid=367
@Afurthyclays
@Afurthyclays Жыл бұрын
@@ScienceofLoud I put a string butler on my Dean V. Best modification I've made, along with the locking tuners. ❤️
@MichaelSheaAudio
@MichaelSheaAudio Жыл бұрын
For a long time I tried to avoid the Gibson style headstock, but I got an old 2003 Epiphone Les Paul Special II late last year. I stripped the finish off the whole neck, replaced the pots, switch, and output jack, added a pickguard, swapped out the bridge with a better one I had taken off another guitar, put on Gotoh locking tuners, and a Graph Tech TUSQ nut. Even with the unstable, thin neck that will bend if you breath on it, it somehow stays in tune in dropped C or C# with 10 gauge strings. I did have it set up by the local luthier, so that could have helped, but there is no binding in the TUSQ nut, it's crazy how stable the tuning is.
@alexcrouse
@alexcrouse Жыл бұрын
The crispy bark this thing has at 3:18 is phenomenal!
@A.Fred_Davies
@A.Fred_Davies Жыл бұрын
I still care about the bits at the end 😂😂
@mickavoidant4780
@mickavoidant4780 Жыл бұрын
I do too
@sartajhanspal5604
@sartajhanspal5604 Жыл бұрын
I do too (2)
@thetej1098
@thetej1098 Жыл бұрын
I do too (3)
@Joe-hm1zk
@Joe-hm1zk Жыл бұрын
I do too (4)
@18JR78
@18JR78 Жыл бұрын
I do too (5)
@KahnuevsKrake
@KahnuevsKrake Жыл бұрын
I've had a string butler on my one Gibson for quite a while and I love it! More of a PRS man and used to it's tuning stability, there's something about the Gibson sound which I love, so that is a great way to enjoy the Gibson experience without being so frustrated at the tuning issues that my swear jar could solve world hunger.
@ScienceofLoud
@ScienceofLoud Жыл бұрын
There's a solution to 3-a-side headstock tuning issues, show that G string who's boss! String Butler - thmn.to/thocf/f854kgwtj2 P90 SG Guitars - thmn.to/thocf/3ztesk9tge Amps and Pedals - thmn.to/thocf/1dxzvl90b2 Flying V modification videos: kzfaq.info/sun/PLaM1FGKAH5TkcpKcAyK8o9H0NP1nBaoLS SG Repair & Mod Videos: kzfaq.info/sun/PLaM1FGKAH5TnYivtqE1bOsAe-k5i-wW26 More details on how CSGuitars implements product promotion - www.csguitars.co.uk/disclosure #gibson #csguitars #scienceofloud More from CSGuitars: Support on Patreon: www.patreon.com/csguitars Join CSGuitars Discord - discord.gg/csguitars Buy CSGuitars Merchandise - www.csguitars.co.uk/store Website - www.csguitars.co.uk Contact - colin@csguitars.co.uk ____________________________________________________________________ *Description contains affiliate links. Purchasing using one of these links will generate a small commission for CSGuitars at no additional cost to you.*
@schmoemi3386
@schmoemi3386 Жыл бұрын
"String Bulter" sounds cool, too! 😁 You may increase the tuning stability further by also using a roller bridge (especially with a trem mounted) 🤔
@ScienceofLoud
@ScienceofLoud Жыл бұрын
Thanks for catching the typo. A pivoting Jazzmaster style bridge might be an even better solution that roller saddles. I've noticed the vibrola has a tendency to push the whole bridge on its posts rather than allow the strings to move across the graphtech saddles, so keeping the string on the same contact point and making it easier for the bridge to pivot would likely optimise returning to the original rest position most often.
@schmoemi3386
@schmoemi3386 Жыл бұрын
@@ScienceofLoud I don't like that Jazzmaster style bridges use those threaded string saddles... but you could use the pretty similar Mustang bridge which has single-notched saddles. Or try a Mastery... 🤔
@duncanbeale9535
@duncanbeale9535 Жыл бұрын
String Butler, roller bridge, and a Graph tech nut. Works a treat.
@scoosh.productions
@scoosh.productions Жыл бұрын
Similar to 'still game', We LIVE for the bit at the end.
@Bobby-wn5yr
@Bobby-wn5yr Жыл бұрын
That’s a cool mod! But yeah, as a bassist, I long for a Gibson where the only thing wrong with it is the location of the tuners 🤣
@daveydacusguitars9033
@daveydacusguitars9033 Жыл бұрын
Hey man So I have found success when setting up 24 3/4 inch scale length guitars with setting the G string intonation just slightly flat. It was a tip given to me from a guy who has been setting up instruments for people for years. You might have to flip the bridge saddle on the G to do that on the SG as it looks to be almost at the end of its travel. Theory being... on a shorter scale instrument, especially with 9s or 10s, it's very easy to over bend the third string even just playing a regular bar chord. On E string root chords, that's your major third. Which sounds HORRIBLE if it gets sharp! And it's a 5th on A string root chords, not as noticeable but still bothersome. That angle change at the head stock will definitely improve tuning stability. But the intonation adjustment should make regular playing more enjoyable with or without the butler. Hey, killer repair on the SG by the way! I don't think I could have done that repair as well as you did, at least the cosmetic aspects. It came out really great.
@daveydacusguitars9033
@daveydacusguitars9033 Жыл бұрын
Actually it's an octave on the 5th string root chords. I'm sure someone will point that out if I don't. 😜 In my defense I had just woken up when I wrote the original comment haha
@richsackett3423
@richsackett3423 Жыл бұрын
You can also mount a Fender staple string tree in the top hole of the truss rod cover. You'll need to curl the tips to positively retain the string. That way, the D and G pull straight. Most guitarists have some laying around. I do.
@GitShiddy
@GitShiddy Жыл бұрын
I also do this. And while I haven't tried it I feel a Graphtech string tree would work better than the metal Fender style tree. The lateral tension can definitely bind on metal.
@richsackett3423
@richsackett3423 Жыл бұрын
@@GitShiddy That looks like it'll work with a little attention to the groove to retain the string pulling off-axis. I'm halfway through an SG project and will try one out on it.
@FoulOwl2112
@FoulOwl2112 Жыл бұрын
Well F*ck me... That's a pretty good idea! Glad l thought of that.... Lol
@swhaley83
@swhaley83 8 ай бұрын
​@@GitShiddy I have been using a graph tech for years for this very purpose because the Fender style wouldn't retain the strings very well. The graph tech works great. Never had a problem.
@xbradx75
@xbradx75 Жыл бұрын
I've had one of these on my Gibson SG for a few years and definitely helps tuning stability vs w/o it.
@MurdochGuitar
@MurdochGuitar Жыл бұрын
I have one installed on my Epiphone Moderne Its the one with the futura headstock instead of the gumby one. Does a very good job. Thinking of putting one on all my Ibanez AR guitars. They have similar although less pronounced tuning issues
@Rowe4900candymachine
@Rowe4900candymachine Жыл бұрын
I have an epiphone sg with a string butler, graph tech nut which was slotted by a luthier, gotoh bridge and saddles, and hipshot locking tuners. It stays in tune for pretty long sessions. I want to redo the electronics and put some seymour duncans in it, I like it more than any gibson I've played cause it's mine.
@colmkelly5524
@colmkelly5524 Жыл бұрын
The other thing the String Butler does which impacts tuning stability at the nut is soften the break angle of the strings over the nut, so reducing downward pressure.
@redielg
@redielg Жыл бұрын
I have one on my gretsch G2622T. Even with heavy use of the bigsby, my guitar stays in tune. Definitely getting one for my Epiphone riviera once I change the tuners.
@Apprentice_of_the_Leonine
@Apprentice_of_the_Leonine Жыл бұрын
Quite an improvement of tuning stability. Nice. If that were my guitar, I'd take things to the next level with some Hipshot locking tuners.
@aarondunkelberger5146
@aarondunkelberger5146 Жыл бұрын
Usually watch your videos on the TV, but fired up the computer box specifically to mention that I still enjoy the bits at the end, and miss the bit at the beginning with your name and sub-line, or whatever it's called; those always make me laugh! Keep up the great work!
@grahammillar3201
@grahammillar3201 Жыл бұрын
Great Scots think alike. I just popped the string butler that had been in my drawer on my Ibanez AR reissue yesterday. Staying in tune so far and better than the last 6 years
@GuitarIv69
@GuitarIv69 Жыл бұрын
Cool! Installed the String Butler on a couple of guitars and it always helped to minimize the tuning problems. Still prefer a Telecaster Headstock for tuning stability though 😅
@torind2000
@torind2000 Жыл бұрын
definitely a good reason to show it off, especially since the repair you did to it is almost invisible. well done :)
@nachteinfallt8915
@nachteinfallt8915 Жыл бұрын
my luthier warned me of these string butlers when i took it in to him, said they essentially don't work if you already have a correct nut and it adds additional points of friction to mess with tuning stability. i decided to put it on anyways and have been very happy with it since. i can gilmour bend that brick in the wall solo all day and will not even slightly go out of tune ....i did also replace the nut with a graph tech black tusq xl in that same luthier visit, however. so if the butler is a redundancy at that point, so be it. i have rock solid tuning now. but it does complement the looks of my lp
@paulbates4100
@paulbates4100 Жыл бұрын
Should have listened to your luthier.
@klausfritsch4350
@klausfritsch4350 Жыл бұрын
I love the String Butlers, have them on several guitars.
@kirkwilson6229
@kirkwilson6229 Жыл бұрын
I have one of these, and it works great. They are basically vertical roller trees. There are like 3 of them: make sure you get the right one. My Epi LP uses a V3.
@jeffdowning4877
@jeffdowning4877 Жыл бұрын
I had come up with that same basic idea myself- I used metal posts with the round hoops that are at the end of any guitar string as rollers, in same type of configuration so that the strings go over the nut at not such a sharp angle. It worked wonders. I thought Gibsons just could not stay in tune.
@Kanthon
@Kanthon Жыл бұрын
I have a Les Paul that was plagued with tuning issues. Even a couple of light strums would knock it out of tune. An online community (*cough*TGP*cough*) gave me such great advice like “My Les Paul never goes out of tune” and “You need wrap your strings better”. I put a String Butler on it and it helped a lot. Then I put a Zer0Glide nut on and it’s finally playable. Strangely, my SG doesn’t seem to need either.
@RaccoonHenry
@RaccoonHenry Жыл бұрын
uncanny, I was recommending a String Butler to a Les Paul player not hours ago, when he complained about D and G string tuning stability (on a gorgeous goldtop, no less)!! as soon as I saw the title of this video I knew what it was going to be about!
@Noone-of-your-Business
@Noone-of-your-Business Жыл бұрын
Once you're at it, give it a roller bridge as well to elimiate the other point of string binding in the system.
@chrismiracle
@chrismiracle 5 ай бұрын
Just a thought; I haven't tested this hypothesis. A £3 roller string tree from Temu or the like mounted to the apex screw hole of the truss rod cover could do a similar job for a fraction of the price(?). I wouldn't use it on a Gibson but on a Harley Benton...
@davep5698
@davep5698 Жыл бұрын
Have to say, you videos come just at the right time, All the time, any time I need it. Thanks that was a pleasant surprise.
@MarkGray1970
@MarkGray1970 Жыл бұрын
I put one of these (and a new nut) on a friend's Les Paul and it works. Totally worth it.
@timothymallon
@timothymallon Жыл бұрын
Couldnt you also cut the nut slots at an angle, pointing more towards the tuners? That would help break and sharp angle
@ScienceofLoud
@ScienceofLoud Жыл бұрын
No it wouldn't. Even if the slot was aligned to the angle of the string after it enters the nut, there would still be a hard bend at the nut's front edge. The problem is not that the string and the slot don't align, the problem is that the string changes direction in the slot to begin with.
@K0r0n1s
@K0r0n1s Жыл бұрын
The silly little bits are a fun addition, increases watchtime to the end I guess 😅
@Jeroen_K
@Jeroen_K Жыл бұрын
I have a string butler for my Hamer special which had the same problem. No more! Great product.
@russellzauner
@russellzauner Жыл бұрын
I think I'll try it on my FGN Flame Expert...good already but could be better too. I could bend behind the nut with this, too!
@UkiMalefu
@UkiMalefu Жыл бұрын
Yes, I like the silly little bits at the end 😃 👍 🤘
@chrisact9601
@chrisact9601 Жыл бұрын
The string butler is a good thing. I have two guitars with 3 a side machine heads. One Les Paul and one Eastman. They both used to be utter bastards for tuning. Since installing the string butlers, I can play a whole set without needing to retune. I put a roller bridge on the Les Paul as well and that has made it even more stable. Tuning is no longer a problem.
@nachtjager109e
@nachtjager109e Жыл бұрын
HOLY SHIT -- Dude, P90s through an HM-2 sounds fucking GNARLY!
@J.C...
@J.C... Жыл бұрын
You can also slant the slots. I figured that's what you would have done 🤷 a few strokes with Music Nomad nut files and it's ready to go. I'm sure you could use the StewMac files, also.
@BrianGuitars
@BrianGuitars Жыл бұрын
I usually hate any guitar gadget as if they do solve the problem they create some other weirdness but I've had one of these on my LP for years now and it's fantastic. I do find it also helps to have the string at the top of the wind on the post as it reduces the break angle over the nut too. I just wrap my G and D this way.
@MikeD606
@MikeD606 Жыл бұрын
2:35 - Hold the phone, that's Green Day's All the Time! I did not expect that!
@concretebadger
@concretebadger Жыл бұрын
I just KNEW I recognised that. Cheers for pointing it out, because it would've bugged me for days!
@grberendzenproductions312
@grberendzenproductions312 Жыл бұрын
I thought, for sure, from the thumbnail pic, that you would be fixing a headstock break! So there are more reasons not to get a guitar with a gibson style headstock. I like the strat- style guitars I have with gibson style humbucker configurations anyway.
@ScienceofLoud
@ScienceofLoud Жыл бұрын
I'd love the opportunity to repair a headstock break. I'm sure it will happen sooner or later.
@grberendzenproductions312
@grberendzenproductions312 Жыл бұрын
@@ScienceofLoud You take much better care of your guitars, though accidents do happen!
@freeqboi
@freeqboi Жыл бұрын
I have 2 solutions for this... I use Sprezals, the ONLY tuners Sting Butler doesn't work with..) first was a brass bar that id cut slots into to hold the strings straight, easier to show than tell, but that was problematic. as it floated if one string went out the tension changed and put others out. Then I "adapted" (Bent a bit deeper) a Fender-style string tree, screwed it into the top hole for the truss rod cover, and that's been perfect for years now. oddly the Epiphones don't need it, just the stupid Les Pauls.
@strangequark420
@strangequark420 Жыл бұрын
Rock and roll! And yes, the selly le'l bets at the end are grreeet.
@concretebadger
@concretebadger Жыл бұрын
Fantastic, thanks for the reminder about these. Never underestimate the importance of having a Shite Drawer 😆 My FGN Masterfield is possibly my favourite guitar, but because it's based on the old ES style with the 3+3 tuners, the tuning stability is the one thing I'd like to improve. And contrary to the standard Internet Opinions about them and in spite of the, uh, quirky trem system, my CIJ Jazzmaster stays in tune better than pretty much every guitar I own. Go figure.
@zeffneeson5214
@zeffneeson5214 Жыл бұрын
I’ve got one of those p90 Gibson lespaul special tribute guitars . It’s got a maple neck instead of mahogany and heavy as balls . But it hardly ever goes out of tune . I’ve picked it up after it sat in the rack for a couple of weeks and it’s still in tune . Fantastic guitar for like £900 just heavy lol
@picksalot1
@picksalot1 Жыл бұрын
Some early Gibsons used the Snakehead headstock design, which reduces string pinching at the nut, and looks much better. Some companies, like Martin, persist in using a Paddle shaped headstock. Another bad design that can even cause the strings behind the nut to rattle against each other. Some guitars still sound sound despite their design flaws, but not because of them.
@ErickC
@ErickC Жыл бұрын
The end bits are actually my favourite part and I'm sad when they're missing. :D
@kelleywhite5761
@kelleywhite5761 Жыл бұрын
Played Les Pauls for literally thousands of gigs and never had tuning problems, have the nut cut properly, use a lubricant and learn how to restring your guitar correctly, solid as anything else without a locking system.
@SkronkJappleson
@SkronkJappleson Жыл бұрын
I think most people having tuning slipping on the "D" and "G" strings aren't doing enough winds when restringing.
@tobymac21
@tobymac21 Жыл бұрын
Yes, I want more bits.
@dougbounds631
@dougbounds631 Жыл бұрын
Out of my 9 Gibsons only one Les Paul had tuning issues. And I bend the hell out of the strings.
@acoffeewithsatan
@acoffeewithsatan Жыл бұрын
A poor man's version of this mod is to use a Strat style string tree mounted at the top hole of the truss rod cover (on top of the cover). You can even use a GraphTech one which is low friction and, being in black, will look stealthier than the regular chrome ones.
@jsullivan2112
@jsullivan2112 Жыл бұрын
2:35 That Green Day song is one of my gauges for dialing in a nice and crispy 70s Marshall tone.
@BakerGlare
@BakerGlare Жыл бұрын
Appreciate a good deep cut from Nimrod.
@jsullivan2112
@jsullivan2112 Жыл бұрын
@@BakerGlare Their best record!
@5765rod
@5765rod Жыл бұрын
Yes! I always wait for the end shenanigans.
@FoulOwl2112
@FoulOwl2112 Жыл бұрын
Was talking with someone ladt week about the tuning instability of LP guitars. When the world's formost "master guirarist" butted in. According to him his three LPs ALWAYS stayed in tune perfectly. We made sure to let him know just how special he was.
@ScienceofLoud
@ScienceofLoud Жыл бұрын
There are a few of those guys in the comments here already
@CBGypsy03
@CBGypsy03 Жыл бұрын
I solved this problem, by selling all my gibsons. You kick ass though ! Rock on
@mfsperring
@mfsperring Жыл бұрын
Don't know why exactly but I really enjoyed the noodling around on this one.
@Earthshadowtime
@Earthshadowtime Жыл бұрын
I love the silly bits at the end! They're fun!
@RaccoonHenry
@RaccoonHenry Жыл бұрын
question! would this work on a B.C. Rich headstock? (Kerry King Metal Master Warlock - pretty much the one you modded for extreme metal)
@romanwestenholtz4396
@romanwestenholtz4396 Жыл бұрын
I love my string butlers but the Epiphone Casino is not having it with its machine heads being stamped in no hex nut so disappointing!!!
@sprite_6911
@sprite_6911 Жыл бұрын
Love how you slipped in All The Time by Green Day in here ❤
@masonbritt8308
@masonbritt8308 Жыл бұрын
I was just coming down to the comments to write something similar lol
@mickavoidant4780
@mickavoidant4780 Жыл бұрын
I fixed my Strat copy going out of tune with divebombs, by having a nut that's a tiny bit narrower than stock. It rocks back and forth with the strings.
@DWLImages
@DWLImages Жыл бұрын
Please keep the end silly bits, they are kernels of gold!
@KnapfordMaster98
@KnapfordMaster98 Жыл бұрын
This is so shallow, but I wish they'd do a transparent acrylic version of the headstock diamond on customs would still show lol.
@ScienceofLoud
@ScienceofLoud Жыл бұрын
You mean like this one: thmn.to/thoprod/450996?offid=1&affid=367
@Pujan-ph2ci
@Pujan-ph2ci Жыл бұрын
Don't need a string butler. Just put the old T type string trees of strats in the upper truss rod cover screw hole. Does the same thing
@kaneo67
@kaneo67 Жыл бұрын
I still think the strings will catch on the string butler,even though they supposedly roll,but it's probably better than not using the string butler
@hisproperty1438
@hisproperty1438 Жыл бұрын
Yes, I always look out for the silly-little-bit-at-the-end.
@harveyjackman85
@harveyjackman85 Жыл бұрын
Please do a video on schecter sustainiac pickups
@_gosoka
@_gosoka Жыл бұрын
I like the silly little bits at the end
@alexcorona
@alexcorona Жыл бұрын
I just use a regular Strat style string tree and use the top truss rod cover’s screw.
@opensourceq
@opensourceq Жыл бұрын
it's a shame there's no direct a/b shots between the string butler before and after, because y'know i think i hear it staying pretty much in tune but i have no idea what im supposed to be comparing it against in this case. everyone sounds in tune when nobody else is playing
@nathaniel_pardue
@nathaniel_pardue Жыл бұрын
This is just a video that was probably shat out during a time where he's not having any ideas.
@shawnhicks5501
@shawnhicks5501 Жыл бұрын
Sold my LP custom as it always went out of tune, hard to believe I know. Made my own guitar with straight headstock, now I play not endlessly tune.
@mtlspider
@mtlspider Жыл бұрын
all you need is a good graphite nut like graphtech,no need for extra string guides.ive used them on jackson style headstocks and a hammer with 3+3
@ScienceofLoud
@ScienceofLoud Жыл бұрын
The guitar in the video has a graphtech nut
@mtlspider
@mtlspider Жыл бұрын
@@ScienceofLoud it was there before the rollers were installed?if so then either the slots werent wide enough or there's some issue at the bridge.but with that tremelo youd be better off with some locking tuners and roller or grpathech saddles too. but personally i didnt like the change in tone graptech saddles made to my tuneomatic guitar
@ScienceofLoud
@ScienceofLoud Жыл бұрын
My dude, the issue is the strings didn't move through the nut in a straight line. Locking tuners will do nothing, widening the slots will cause all sorts of issues, the bridge is also graphtech. The nut is correct, the string alignment was not.
@mtlspider
@mtlspider Жыл бұрын
@@ScienceofLoud well if its staying in tune now then fine but i find it odd since ive had plenty of guitars with anything but straight string alignment through the nut and they stayed in tune fine.even on so called straight string pull guitars the stings arent truely going straight through since there's a downwards angle from the nut to the headstock otherwise the strings would rattle. edit:also i dont know how far that trem can lower the pitch on the strings if it cant go far then it might hold with regular tuners but if you can dive bomb the effect of the windings loosening up will always be a problem,if for example you tried to reuse old strings they would act as if they still need to stretch out when you put them back on the guitar but all it really is is the windings settling in again on the tuner.
@lawndart188s
@lawndart188s Жыл бұрын
I have one on my LP and it works awesome
@iromanovsky
@iromanovsky Жыл бұрын
I saw somewhere that string direction at left and right after nut slot is not as big problem as generally thought, if you look at this from 3-dimensional perspective. It is the same bend as string directed down. Nut slot just need to be directed that way. Any thoughts in this?
@steelfalcon472
@steelfalcon472 Жыл бұрын
Would an Epiphone Les Paul benefit from a string butler or are they not needed?
@ScienceofLoud
@ScienceofLoud Жыл бұрын
If you are experiencing tuning issues then it's one of the many things you could try to address it.
@axemurderforhire1
@axemurderforhire1 Жыл бұрын
Are these one size fits all? cause i see a few different versions
@Paul-hy3cu
@Paul-hy3cu Жыл бұрын
I have 2 LP's and have fitted string butlers to them, they are well worth the money.
@nikopappas8484
@nikopappas8484 Жыл бұрын
Does it create any added tension in the common headstock break area, making them even more susceptible to breaks? just curious!
@Elektronijaenis
@Elektronijaenis Жыл бұрын
How about just making the nutslots progressively wider towards the headstock side so the string can curve smoothly towards the tuning machines? It's not a 2 dimensional thing anyway... All 3 dimensions can be used to create the smooter curve without any sudden kink.
@masterbeaver
@masterbeaver Жыл бұрын
I must've gotten really lucky because my Les Paul stays in tune like a champ. It also has a nylon nut that's cut oddly shallow, to the point where the strings sort of look like they're just resting on it. Maybe that has something to do with it. I have no idea.
@tyhubb
@tyhubb Жыл бұрын
Yes! I always wait for the little bits!
@solarismoon3046
@solarismoon3046 Жыл бұрын
That Moderne was actually made in the fifties but was so ugly that no one wanted them. These guitars were never sold to the public nor did they go past the prototype stage even after being shown at a NAMM show. So they stayed in storage and undisclosed to the general public until the nineteen eighties when it was revived but with a different headstock shape. This was later reissued with the original headstock shape but only in a limited release. Most people break the neck off their Gibson guitars and reglue them. This usually makes them stronger (or at least in theory) and you don't have to worry about it again. However that may be you can't fix the tuning instability problem because of the break angle of the headstock.
@paulbates4100
@paulbates4100 Жыл бұрын
In case anyone hadn't noticed, Gibson nuts are cut to direct the strings to the appropriate tuner. The nut slots are not cut parallel to each other. A gadget between nut and post in my humble is not a solution if you have tuning issues. Just make sure the nut is properly cut and finished.
@ScienceofLoud
@ScienceofLoud Жыл бұрын
Maybe that's a more recent thing or depends on the price point of the instrument, but it wasn't the case for my 2001 Flying V or my 2005 SG
@paulbates4100
@paulbates4100 Жыл бұрын
@CSGuitars Hi Colin, I've got a 2017 SG Standard and a 2021 Les Paul Special Tribute, both have nuts cut to direct the strings to the appropriate tuner. Can't imagine this is a recent innovation, seems so basic.
@corneliuscrewe677
@corneliuscrewe677 Жыл бұрын
@@ScienceofLoud Intersting that my 1955 Les Paul Junior with original nut and frets has the nut slots cut to direct the string to each tuner. So do both my ‘77’s and my 2007 SG and 2010 Melody Maker. Maybe you aren’t as knowledgeable as you claim.
@Junkbox44
@Junkbox44 Жыл бұрын
I’ve been using them for years, a great peace of kit
@thisguy2973
@thisguy2973 Жыл бұрын
There’s one glaring issue with the string butler: if the nut slots are already cut at an angle, the string butler creates a new problem where a straight string is running across an angled slot.
@ScienceofLoud
@ScienceofLoud Жыл бұрын
That's an issue with the nut then. Strings and slots should be straight.
@dw7704
@dw7704 Жыл бұрын
I get why it could be an issue, but none of the guitars i own have the tuning issues this product solves. So either I am just lucky, my ears suck, and/or I am doing something differently that helps?
@adda89
@adda89 Жыл бұрын
would this same string butler work on an Orville SG?
@Ty13rlikespie
@Ty13rlikespie Жыл бұрын
Got a big smile on my face when you played All The Time by Green Day.
@ScienceofLoud
@ScienceofLoud Жыл бұрын
I'll have a lot more Green Day coming pretty soon
@DorGreen1
@DorGreen1 Жыл бұрын
I put one on my D'angelico and it's magical
@snape1464
@snape1464 Жыл бұрын
Not needed. Had mine set up and the guy just slightly filed down the nut and used the graphite from a pencil on the stock nut. No problems at all
@thecaveofthedead
@thecaveofthedead Жыл бұрын
For those of you who don't want to ruin the look of your headstock, you can get 3/4s of the way there by reshaping the back of the G and D nut slots and keeping the nut lubricated.
@brandonthompson8413
@brandonthompson8413 Жыл бұрын
A well cut nut does wonders. Once in a blue moon you will come across a gibson that stays in tune. When you find it don't let it go.
@aliali-ce3yf
@aliali-ce3yf Жыл бұрын
1:52 - sounds like something out of Friday Night Lights
@nickx1754
@nickx1754 Жыл бұрын
It still boggles my mind that people spend thousands of dollars on a guitar brand/model that inherently wont stay in tune. Anyone see the recent debacle where Kirk Hammet's new Gibson signature went out of tune during a gig? That was setup by a pro!! I know every guitar can have it's one off events but it's bothered me for years the discrepancy between price and quality of Gibson guitars.
@briannolan
@briannolan Жыл бұрын
Yep!
@kevinbunce1757
@kevinbunce1757 Жыл бұрын
Yes Colin - we do care about the silly little bits at the end!
@mrNobody100
@mrNobody100 Жыл бұрын
those p90 covers are freakin' sweet!
@ReasonableAssumption
@ReasonableAssumption Жыл бұрын
I use two of them , they have 3 versions of them now and I think yours is version 1. Your three links are also broken up on top.
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