Fixing another Creak: Extralite hub edition

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Hunting down an annoying creak ended up with a deep dive into the Extralite hub with a full teardown rebuild, bearing replacement etc.
Hub model:
Extralite CyberRear SPD3
Bearing list:
Freehub body (HG)
- 2x 6803
* Bearing used in video NTN 6803 LLB
Hub shell:
- 1x 6803
- 1x 6903
* Bearing used in video NTN 6803 LLB, 6903 LLB
FYI, Front hub CyberFront SPD3 has two 6802 bearings
Tool list (used in this video)
- Cassette tool and Chainwhip
- (optional drill driver witch T25 bit for disc rotor)
- 2x 17mmclosed ring spanners/wrench
- Pick
- Soft sided hammer/mallet
- Solid Punch (not a hole punch)
- Bearling press with 2x 6803 drifts and 1x 6903 bearing drift
* If you interested, Search for "Hub bearing press kit" on Ali express, amazon, eBay etc and you should find something similar and cheap.
- Torque wrench with a 17mm socket
Cleaning an Greasing products
- Scott workshop paper towels
- isopropyl alcohol
- Extralite Alugrease super1
- paint brush(grease application)
Strava: / strava
Instagram: / ridesofjapan
Chapters:
0:00 Introduction
2:20 Hub disassembly
3:56 Problem bearing 1
5:38 Problem bearing 2
6:30 Bearing Removal Hub shell
7:17 Cheap Bearing press kit
8:00 Bearing installation hub shell
8:40 Freehub body bearing removal
9:07 Bearing installation Freehub body
9:53 Hub Re-assembly
12:02 Preload adjustment
13:00 Closing notes

Пікірлер: 117

@dh7314 6 ай бұрын

I tell myself the creaks are because of the mega watts I produce 😂

@I3ene1 6 ай бұрын

Nobody gets me more hyped about new bearings. Best tech videos on KZfaq!

@feedbackzaloop 6 ай бұрын

even Hambini???

@jeskli11 6 ай бұрын

I like how that Equilibrium frame permanently sits on the scale in the background so you can keep track of how much the dust collecting itself on the finish weighs.

@CodyMH 6 ай бұрын

I don't own an Extralite hub, nor will I probably ever. I have no reason to spend 14.5 minutes of my day watching this when I have other things I should be doing, but I did. And I believe I am better for it.

@ridesofjapan 5 ай бұрын

Appreciate your sacrifice 🙏😁

@jonathanwoo6597 6 ай бұрын

The white plastic carrier that comes with every new cassette is also a tool that can be used to re-install the cassette. it saves time and lessens the chance of mixing up the wrong spacers.

@martinkroutil 6 ай бұрын

Those NTN wheel bearings with LLB seals are just amazing. They have absolute no drag to them and after 20 000km they still fell better then brand new enduro hybrid ceramic bearings. Highly recommended :). Thanks for amazing video as always.

@amduser86 4 ай бұрын

And know what? Not like other bearing manufactures produce worth bearing like for example SKF (which invented one of the major ball bearing technology's) or FAG. Most bicycle company's are just to cheap to use them. I mean, they can't even get press fit bottom brackets to work, which is not that hard to do...

@martinkroutil 4 ай бұрын

@@amduser86 Yes, you are right. All I wanted to say is that high quality steal bearing are better in long term that hybrid-ceramic ones and with good non contacting seal steal bearing can be faster than ceramic ones.

@loup0r 6 ай бұрын

Hi, I've similar noise problems on my SPD hubs, both on my and my wife's bike. But for me it wasn't the bearings so far. Ofc, I check all bearings doing the hub service too. My theory is different: We climb and decent a lot, after 10.000m the creaking always starts. Then I open the hub, do the cleaning like you and then its silence again. I think that especially while hard descending & braking a lot of torque is build up hub internally. Sometimes the creaking simply is removed doing another climb / applying counter torque. Latest by opening the hub, all the strain is released. And silent again (for some time) As always, very nice service video! Love to have another geek out there like me ❤😊

@patrickparisienne1917 6 ай бұрын

It scares me that the panels are loaded by a single rubber band. No redundancy. Failure of the rubber O ring means instant loss of power transfer, and a real possibility of interviewing asphalt with your teeth…

@KyriaxWitch 6 ай бұрын

that sacares me AF, i think the steel springs are safest and 1gr insane gain.

@feedbackzaloop 6 ай бұрын

if you are so concerned, steel springs from radial shaft seals (like ones in MTB forks) will be a great alternative. However the mechanism you described is imposible: once the pawl engage, the rubber ring does nothing. So you have to freewheel a bit first and then only start pedaling again to notice the freehub is no longer catching, there is no loss of power, there is a loss of posibility to resume it - much softer type of a hit than when you snap the chain, tubeless de-seats or a crank debonds. Also not redundand critical elements!

@arcticrunning8370 6 ай бұрын

Axel Toast seems like a proper metal name!

@welshbikepackingadventures 6 ай бұрын

My old bike makes so many creaks and squeaks I just embrace it now 😂

@ohiomoto 5 ай бұрын

This video is Creaking cool!

@SonnyDarvishzadeh 6 ай бұрын

Thank you for reminding me that I need to replace bearings of all wheelsets since I'm overweight and potholes love me 🙈 Starting by that press tool kit..

@danbanham728 6 ай бұрын

NTN bearings are great, used them when I did this same change on a DT Swiss hub. Made a massive difference.

@tomcruz3774 6 ай бұрын

Ayyyy i just did some wheel maintenance last night on my track bike

@reinholdachleitner2069 6 ай бұрын

Awesome video,Extralite is excellent quality all be it expensive.Safe riding.💯👌🏻🚴‍♀️

@Horstelin 6 ай бұрын

I know it is not reasonable to buy new frames and bike components all the time, but oh boy I would like another bike build video of yours :)

@charlesblithfield6182 5 ай бұрын

Bearing assembly and removal tools are interesting kits. I like the clinical look of your technical videos.

@rasmuswi 6 ай бұрын

I certainly like those new bearing pullers that come with some bearing presses nowadays so you don't need those scary punches. Though my Enduro Bearings version certainly scared the hell out of me when it pulled the bearing out sideways, and actually caused the races to snap in half! Also, expensive caeramig bearing manufacurer Kogel bearings at some point claimed that you're very likely to damage the seals when servicing cartridge bearings and suggested getting a set of new seals from the manufacturer if you wanted to try servicing them.

@sdmike1141 6 ай бұрын

Very well crafted video! Thanks for the ultra nerdy repair demo! Love it!!

@teddgram 6 ай бұрын

Had a similar issue this summer. Ended up being a bearing failure in my pedal. The year before that it was a loose derailleur hanger. I keep adding things to my list that make those noises.

@Pratalax 6 ай бұрын

Merry christmas indeed!

@Gabe73C 6 ай бұрын

👍 Merry Christmas.

@christopherhood9241 6 ай бұрын

nice bearing press kit.

@WowRixter 6 ай бұрын

Merry Christmas Tobias 🎄

@veriest1 6 ай бұрын

So satisfying.

@TheRokko66 5 ай бұрын

I am a bit surprised that there are only 2 pawls and there is no sleeve between the bearings of the rotor! I have a rear hub from Bitex and there is a sleeve in the rotor to preload the bearings. When I want to change the main bearings, I have to press the inner main bearing first in, put the axle in and then press the outer main bearing in. Getting the main bearings out is easy by simply tapping the axle out with a hammer :) The axle is holding the main bearings and preventing any movement sideways. Eventually there is the need to put some shims on the axle to Compensate for tolerances and preload the bearings. They are 2x6803(rotor) and 1x6903,1x6802(main axle). I saw, your hub has some kind of micro adjuster I replaced the smaller main bearing 6802 with a ceramic-hybrid abec5, which runs silky smooth and will hopefully last longer despite the smaller size😀

@jaro6985 2 ай бұрын

2 pawls apparently puts more side load on the bearing which will lead to premature failure. You could argue its bad design but, thats what you get when you buy the lightest components.

@OTownReview 6 ай бұрын

Mine does that every 3 months of heavy riding. That hub needs maintenance so often, luckily, it's pretty easy to clean and lube.

@galenkehler 6 ай бұрын

Crank up the tunes and keep riding!!!

@lenolenoleno 6 ай бұрын

Another great production vid as per usual! Love your work. But damn those hubs (especially for the $, almost double $ vs. DT 240 EXP) are a walking (spinning?) compromise for such little weight savings (a DT 240 is 191grams vs. an Extralite CyberRear in 142x12 at 145g = 46grams saved to compromise in one of the worst locations (rear hub), where as going super light in the front is no issues (just a shell). 1) Cartridge bearing hub but still need to preload it like a cup and cone hub 2) Hub engagement relies on a suddenly perishable o-ring? Obviously been tested but the extra security of a metal spring for another 3-4 grams in a hard sprint is well worth it 3) 2 pawls with a limit of 1:1 ratios? I feel like this hub chasing weight with pawls is similar to pawled hubs chasing super high POE (E.g. I9 Hydra which causes imbalanced load and snapped axles if not cleaned super regularly) - both designs fly too close to the sun with regards to tolerances and/or durability.

@ridesofjapan 6 ай бұрын

45g off a 191g hub is HUUUGE! 😁 But obviously you don't pick an Extralite hub if durability is you end all and be all :) For whatever it's worth, it's my favorite hub of all I have tried. Very quiet, minimal freehub drag and unbeatable weight. Definitely wouldn't recommend it to anyone not interested in bike maintenance though

@Currieinahurrycycles 6 ай бұрын

😆😆 that's your own damn fault comment cracked me up 😆😆

@bengt_axle 5 ай бұрын

It' open season on creaks!

@user-tq3hd9wl5p 6 ай бұрын

Merry Christmas ROJ

@ridesofjapan 6 ай бұрын

🎅

@matigati8 5 ай бұрын

Älskar verkligen dina klipp! God Jul!

@ridesofjapan 5 ай бұрын

🎄🙏

@aliancemd 6 ай бұрын

I had once noise from that area, detected by pulling on the tire side-to-side and fixed it just by tightening the axle - likely a different problem though but sometimes the play is adding the noise.

@YuoTubeTobi 6 ай бұрын

Hi Tobi, better put that frame off the scale, because scales tend to get incorrect when you store something in them for a while.

@ridesofjapan 6 ай бұрын

Doesn’t sit there always, just needed to dress up the shot a bit :)

@dalescott3942 6 ай бұрын

Eh isn’t that the new equilibrium frameset? Stripped already? What bike were you riding when the extralite wheels started to play up?

@ridesofjapan 6 ай бұрын

@@dalescott3942 was on the emonda. the EQ is getting built up again soon

@dalescott3942 6 ай бұрын

@@ridesofjapan hmmm hopefully with a new build video to boot! Do you recon you could build it better than before? Or will you go more endurance build on the frame? What’s the max tyre size for the EQ? 35s I suspect?

@ridesofjapan 6 ай бұрын

@@dalescott3942 35mm might be tight in the rear (haven’t tried), but 32 should be ok even on 24 internal rims. Build with be similar just working on a new cockpit solution.

@EditioCastigata 6 ай бұрын

11:07 Your bearings come with a different kind of grease, of which a fraction will eventually escape and mix with what you apply. Do check whether they're compatible!

@feedbackzaloop 6 ай бұрын

There should be a super thin spacer underneath the freehub, between worn bearings - that's what must have killed them, they were sort of rubbing agains each other and also not having proper preload. This will damage those precious NTNs too! Although the damage might take longer to show up

@Chunky246 6 ай бұрын

I hate rotor bolts, tedious. So I fully agree power tooling them!

@iamtotie 6 ай бұрын

very nice

@ridethelakes 5 ай бұрын

You really need a bearing puller kit. Using a hammer on those wheels is sacrilege!

@andrewm6192 6 ай бұрын

Happy creakmas!!!

@savagepro9060 6 ай бұрын

stealing comments much?

@andrewm6192 6 ай бұрын

???? @@savagepro9060

@ThisIsRocker05 6 ай бұрын

A better option is to put a light threadlocker on the inside of the cap or in the axle itself. Tightening the thru-axle sometimes also twists the cap thus increasing the preload on the bearings and causing them to wear prematurely.

@EditioCastigata 6 ай бұрын

3:32 If it contains wood it'll abrate and thereby make shiny parts dull. Use "wood-free" ("non-woven cloth", "wipes for care") instead on everything painted.

@spatchist 6 ай бұрын

I remember having a cheap Mavic hub that would squeal the moment the grease /oil quantity was insufficient.

@EditioCastigata 6 ай бұрын

13:25 Ceramic bearings cost 14 to 18€, where steel costs 8€. Though that's not the prices at bike shops, but stores that target mechanics and engineers. 🙂

@wsbygt 6 ай бұрын

Foremost "BRAVO" for the intro´s acting performance! But why is the titanium frame on the bench? Cheers!

@ridesofjapan 6 ай бұрын

waiting for parts. cheers!

@wsbygt 6 ай бұрын

@@ridesofjapan

@RF-gj3uz 6 ай бұрын

Squeaks and creaks are extra grams leaving the assembly😉

@alainpfammatter8224 6 ай бұрын

Great video thank you. Can you tell me the name of your bearing press please?

@ridesofjapan 6 ай бұрын

its some chinese oem thing, search "hub bearing press kit" on ali express etc and you should find it

@alexanderpavlyuk8052 5 ай бұрын

✌🏻

@valmorell 6 ай бұрын

Lots of creaking on my rides, but sadly, it's my aged skeleton that's the problem😢

@dahonkie 6 ай бұрын

❤

@elrohil 6 ай бұрын

Excellent!! But one question remains, did the bearing change effect the mass in grams? 😂😂😂

@ridesofjapan 6 ай бұрын

A secret I'll bring to the grave ;)

@savagepro9060 6 ай бұрын

Merry Creaksmass, unBoxing Day, and a Hub New Year

@stuartdryer1352 6 ай бұрын

I've got a weird creak in my Elite Carbon 50D wheels. I wonder it it is something similar.

@woaychee 5 ай бұрын

i was having this problem too, started from pushing out the pressfit bb, retighten the crank bolt, check bottle cage screw.. at the end... is the bloody hub need to re-grease

@Incaensio 6 ай бұрын

✌️

@noelsmith1852 6 ай бұрын

That beautiful ti frame out of action?

@ridesofjapan 6 ай бұрын

Just waiting for some things

@sergioahuirbretones 6 ай бұрын

Bearings came loose too easily, made me think about tolerances. If the hub eats them too quickly, one of the root causes might be so. I don't like either the O-ring spring ratchet system. I'd always loved DT hubs... though.

@Chunky246 6 ай бұрын

ratchet hubs for the win :)

@feedbackzaloop 6 ай бұрын

DTs were known for bad radial tolerances for some time too, they seem to have sorted it out couple of years ago though. Also personally hate how they use O-pattern arrangement with one semi-fixed and one quasi-floating bearings. When the textbook is X with both semi-fixed. The problem with this particular hub - axial tolerance stack up: as hub body is pressed from one side and the freehub from another, nothing takes up the slack in the bearings and prevents the damaged ones from rubbing full face against full face. Meaning, it's just a missing washer.

@EditioCastigata 6 ай бұрын

11:30 Grease on the inner race of where you're pushing in the axle. Don't grease the axle itself for that position.

@5amba 3 ай бұрын

03:08 What happens when you mount a bigger cassette? will it stay at 1.0 gear ratio? 🤔

@ridesofjapan 3 ай бұрын

as long as your small chainring on the front is the same size as the biggest cog in the back you'll be at 1.0 In other words, if your chainring is smaller than your biggest cog you are "out of spec" according to Extralite.

@robertsegercrantz1053 6 ай бұрын

What is the cap you are wearing at the end of the video. The mondrian. Where can I get one?

@ridesofjapan 6 ай бұрын

team dream cycling team cap

@robertsegercrantz1053 6 ай бұрын

Tack

@grinningidiot 6 ай бұрын

Benefit of riding a 50 year old road bike with cup and cone bearing: everything is super easy to diagnose and maintenance rarely needs a special tool. Downside of riding a 50 year old road bike with cup and cone bearings: it's a 50 year old bike with cup and cone bearings so it ALWAYS needs some kind of maintenance. 😂

@thijsvandenbroek5333 6 ай бұрын

Hello what disc rotors do you use?

@ridesofjapan 6 ай бұрын

Galfer

@cjtg82 5 ай бұрын

Where did you buy the spare o-ring from?

@ridesofjapan 5 ай бұрын

As I mention in the video, Extralite spare parts you can get from extralite :)

@bluesthemoose 6 ай бұрын

Leaving the warning sticker on the axle? WHY? 😂

@spatchist 6 ай бұрын

Must be at least 0.5g ! And the aesthetics !😊

@ramdynebix 6 ай бұрын

And the unbalance! 😂

@rg807 6 ай бұрын

What rotors are you using?

@ridesofjapan 6 ай бұрын

galfer rotors

@iamtotie 3 ай бұрын

where can i buy NTN LLB bearing in asia? I can't find a good shop online that sells this. thank you

@ridesofjapan 3 ай бұрын

By Asia you mean like aliexpress? In that case be aware it’s the Wild West. I don’t know if any reliable online stores that sell NTN sorry. In Japan I get mine from monotaro.com (but that’s Japan only)

@iamtotie 3 ай бұрын

@@ridesofjapan thanks mate

@jamescoveney3754 6 ай бұрын

That bearing tool is pretty sweet for the £££

@aliancemd 6 ай бұрын

What is that?

@tomahoks 6 ай бұрын

35us

@kavanobrien6547 6 ай бұрын

Would not an easier solution be get a belt drive bike ? Having looked at the bike industry over the last few years with the impact of the belt drive being the biggest uptake across the complete industry be it mountain bike, touring bike, cargo bike, many electric bikes, apart from the disc brake the belt drive has been the second biggest uptake, year on year the belt drive system has been increasing 30% , personally it’s only a matter of time that it will be the road bikes turn = wow = no oil, no maintenance = more time on the bike = win win situation.

@stuart3901 6 ай бұрын

Oh I hate creaks or noises on the bike, I have to fix it or….arggghhh!

@mondoabz 6 ай бұрын

Worst hubs I’ve ever owned. QR type would never stay straight in the frame on the rear.

@reflectionsdetail 5 ай бұрын

up a creek without a paddle.....

@dh7314 6 ай бұрын

7:42 35 bucks?!?! No way

@ridesofjapan 6 ай бұрын

Yes way

@meneldil7604 6 ай бұрын

i have that press i think it cost me 36 GBP on amazon

@dh7314 6 ай бұрын

Wow, that’s incredible

@bobcabot 6 ай бұрын

...me not i hate it i hate a flat a squeaking noise driving me up the wall every thing not working properly is unbearable!

@ramdynebix 6 ай бұрын

My touring bike has basically had every component in the drive train and the frame replaced and it’s still making the same noise after almost 20 years. 😂

@KyriaxWitch 6 ай бұрын

enduro bearings are shit and overpriced a lot. any standard SKF or NTN indudtrial bearing are lightyears better. here i use the special SKF E2. low friction bearings on all drivetrain. SKF has full ceramic and hybrid steel/zircon bearings too but the prices...... (X _ x)