🚨 UPDATE 🚨Additional information you may find useful. • Many viewers have also suggested ensuring your TV is in "game" mode as another known culprit of perceived controller latency. • The "artwork" folder should be a sibling to the "samples" folder created in my SD upgrade video: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/edSPddKUz7PFoWg.html

Props to My Arcade for continuing to listen to the gaming community to improve their products!

It's really great that they made it compatible with other (USB) wired joysticks and controllers… @8:14 but I'd say (as always) that at least 50% of the value of the console = the controllers/joysticks it comes bundled with. If the Sega Mini 2 had been bundled with an arcade stick, I would have bought it; but bundled with a six button controller, I wasn't interested. Strange but true.

Nice job editing the left channel only at the key point in this video! Well done. This is why your channel is so good. You are a pro

I totally agree that the lack of manuals is a vital missing feature. Many games rely on the manual to explain basic objectives, what the (sometime numerous) variations are, and what the difficulty switches do. I really do hope they add this as a feature, and maybe even offer a basic pdf viewer that could be used for add-in games. My other three hopes for a future firmware update would be support for subfolders in the \games folder, support for paddle controllers for add-in games, and I'd also love to see support for Colecovision and Intellivision games. The numeric pads could be supported through the paddle controller (turning the paddle controller brings up an on-screen number pad that lets you dial through the pad's values, pressing A selects the value). Probably just wishful thinking though!

After our discussion in the comments section of one of your previous videos, curiosity got the better of me. I broke down and bought a GSP. I'd say out of these 5 items, controller latency comes closest to the kinds of criticisms I have; not the latency itself, but the controllers in general. I can't believe I'm not seeing more people say that they feel cheap and a bit too "bouncy" when self-centering (which messes up your control in certain games). The stick feels too short for using the C button, too. (They had to know that this would not end up being a small hands, "just-for-kids" product.) Finally, at least a couple of the paddle games don't work with either control, altogether ruining the point of including them. Don't get me wrong... The product definitely has its positive points; that's why the negatives are so glaring!

Great video! With regard to latency one thing you absolutely should do is put your TV in Game mode. My LG smart tv is smart enough to do this for virtually all modern consoles. But it does not for these plug and play devices. So manually switch to game mode and you will see a major improvement as your TV will reduce the amount of picture processing and switch it to game response mode which is noticeable on my TV.

Putting my TV's HDMI input into "Game" mode definitely helped with latency, too. The problem is that the controller sometimes doesn't recognize the input. I move the stick up and it doesn't move up (or to the 10 or 2 positions). I haven't tried a wired connection yet, though.

Just a heads up about controllers, I use the PlayStation Mini's USB controllers with Phillips USB C adapters from Target's TV department. They work great! You have to select games on your SD card with the GSP joystick, and move the D pad around and press select a bit once the games launch on the PSX controller, but then everything's good to go. Hope this helps somebody out!

Great info as usual, thank you for all your hard work and continued updates

once again you go above and beyond! your love for these old skool systems and your desire to help out with them are simply amazing! And now that the Atari 2600+ is shipping we will probably see similar videos from you and the retro community. im waiting for my 2600+ to arrive. great times to be an Atari fan! KEEP ON KEEPIN' ON!!!

I refuse to believe that anyone actually said, "No _Demon Attack?_ Then I'm not buying it!" 😄

Thanks to you Jon, I'm loving my GSP!!! You are a life saver...🙂

Great video as always! I really need to get the Mame stuff working on mine, I have not been able too....

Great video John. You are a boom to the community and thanks for being detailed in yoir reviews.

Biggest prob that needs fixed is that you can "crush" the joystick into the base by accident and it won't register inputs. A piece of foam inside the joystick prevent the "crushing" and not affect the input.

Really glad they are fixing the mono sound issue. Thanks for another informative video.

I want to thank you for following up on the GSP. I purchased it shortly after seeing your first video. My only complaint was the mono sound as I play it on my computer monitor with stereo speakers or headphones. I love everything else about the console. Knowing that they are going to fix it and several other issues makes me feel like I made the right choice. It was a toss-up between this and the 2600+. thanks again for the follow-up.

Great video and I'm excited to hear there will be updates. The whole reason I waited for the public release was that I was hoping those would already be there. Regarding the latency issue, mine is mostly noticeable on paddle games, which are practically unplayable. I'd be curious to see you test the performance of the paddles specifically.

Firmware update is a big plus!!! Now I just need to find one. They canceled my pre order due to demand and I didn't get one at Costco. I'm still on the lookout and hopeful to get it before Christmas 😁

Awesome video! As I suspected, basic user error is at play with some of the issues here on the GSP, although I don't own one, I have had those issues on other products myself and found it was always something I was or wasn't doing that contributed to the problems. The lack of some titles like you said are simply due to licensing, so the fact that My Arcade knew that, and addressed it by adding the SD slot, is a good thing. Plus, the firmware updates they are providing will definitely make it better for those wanting to try other controllers. Overall, not a bad offering from My Arcade on this unit. I think it's a decent product for anyone who might be new to retro gaming, or haven't played these games in some time, and it's not bad for the avid gamer who knows a little about adding roms and configuring controllers. 😊

Thank you thank you!! I have to test this out. The controller latency, loses connection is something I have experienced. I did not know plugging it into the system would help as I thought that would just power the controllers. I can’t wait to try this. Also curious if your hd tv has a game mode setting if that would help with latency.

Thanks Jon, appreciate the video, never did receive a response back from My Arcade customer support about the mono sound.

Just bought a Gamestation Pro! Looking forward to getting it and putting more games on it. Hopefully they'll make adding games better in the next update! (Maybe just a submenu in the stock OS where you can upload your own cover art, description, etc.)

Outstanding video, I'll suggest a series title. "Getting learnt with Jonny Red!"

I got mine today and it feels very similar to what I remember from the 10 yo version of myself. I compensated for the leverage of the joystick by using the spot between my thumb and index finger, like I did as a kid. I am heavy handed so, more stiffness would have been nice but, otherwise, plays the way I remember. The only problem with the paddle wheel is it's too small. I am going to make some extenders that will press on over the wheel to increase the OD. That will change the gear ratio and make it less sensitive. Would be nice for them to offer real paddles in the future.

My first Members Only video.

About latency: check the TV where you're playing these games, because some TV have 5ms of latency, some 10ms and some even 80/100ms! It must be written into the manual of your TV.

Great video Jon! The input latency people encounter with their gaming setup is most often to do with their TV/Monitor setup. Just make sure your TV/Monitor is set to "Game" mode and input latency is more often than not improved. Keep up the awesome work!

Thank you for the news on the mono audio problem. I emailed My Arcade for customer support with no response. Again thank you for the update. I thought my first one was defective so I returned it and had it replaced.

Grand slam! Super helpful video.

Thanks for another great video 👍. Thanks to one of your previous videos I bought one and I love it 😀. From what I have gathered you managed to make the save state work for lots of the roms e.g. NES. However some of us have not been able to make this work. Do you have any theory about this (in all honesty small) detail?

Latency issues can also be due to TV settings. Modern tv's use extra processing to display an image. This processing adds clarity and corrective messages to the signal coming in. The video processor also distributes information to the intended locations (audio to audio, video to video, etc). Many modern tv's have a "Game" setting that reduces latency. Original hardware that is upscaled to modern tv's back when upscaling was new had issues with latency until the geniuses in the scene fixed that issue in their MiSTers and such.

It's a good system and I play it everyday. The performance of some gba games is a let down and the way you see your roms is totally messed up. I hope they fix those problems in a future update!

Since you mentioned that the GSP requires a power supply that is at least 2 amps, I tested a few that were rated between 2 and 3 amps. For each one, including my phone's fast charger that does 2.3+ amps, the GSP only pulled between 0.23 to 0.31 amps other than a couple spikes of around 0.4 amps during startup. Is this normal? Why would I need a 2+ amp power supply if that's the case?

This unit is not for me, but such a great video and support! 👍

Man I REALLY hope the firmware update adds the ability to use the paddle on sideloaded MAME games! The paddle is the main thing that sets this apart from every other system i have that can already play these games.

Was hoping you'd tell us how to fix the controls in many of the games, like the inability to shift in Monte Carlo, Night Driver, etc. Ultra Tank is another that is really broken in the controls department. And we can't select variations such as the other modes in Super Breakout and Ultra Tank, select different tracks in Monte Carlo, etc. Product really needed more time in the oven.

This may sound dumb, but you seem to have a in into the company. But id pay for a hardcover book that took all the old manuals and presented them in a collectors edition. Coffee table book?

The game selection from the Atari vault could be have better and I hate the left channel sound, which I pointed out in my review, but all thing said I have to admit I have had a lot of fun with my GSP 😊

Where is the upgrade video with the arcade samples located?

First, thank you for the video and the information you provide. Unfortunately, you don't mention the biggest thing that keeps me from having an interest in this ... the facts that the built-in 'paddle' can't be used for any added ganes or non-2600 games included on the system. I'd love to hear of firmware updates coming for that.

Great segment as always, one question for the community does anyone know the maximum capacity of the micro sd card supported. I heard 128gig. There are various micro sd types too so is there a definitive spec on it somewhere?

Hello, thank you for your videos! They are very useful and well made! I have a question: as far as I have seen on my AGSP, whenever you emulate A5200 or A7800 there isn’t any way to toggle the difficulty switches, is it? I am asking because one of my favourite A7800 games is “Tomcat”, which is an F14 combat simulator where the difficulty switches are used to raise and lower the landing gear and the arrestor hook…. Since you are in contact with MyArcade would you please ask them if there is a way to introduce the difficulty switches in A7800 with a firmware update?

Jon I would like to make a guick comment about the Atari 2600 + The cord on the controller. Do they expect us to set in front of the TV like we did when we were kids? Everyone sets whey back from the TV now. The cord is not long enough!!

6:30 here is my answer to the input lag, thanks

I'm still on the fence about getting this machine because I want to be able to play 4-player paddle control games with proper control. The included controllers kind of accommodate that, but there are only two of them. Think maybe they'd sell more controllers? Or a set of 4 paddles (even if they're just wired)? I've been looking for a good way to play the arcade version of Warlords with 4 players, and this console comes _so_ close. I just need four paddles, so they control correctly.

The biggest problem for me is not being able to simulate the driving controllers with the built on paddle controller for Indy 500. Seems like they could have made that function as both paddle and driving.

when we put in our artwork for arcade games, do we have to keep our downloaded artwork zipped in the artwork folder?

DId they slap an actual date onto that Firmware update? looking forward to the potential expansion of the SD card library with more platforms supported.

Wow, I had no idea GXG had a Discord server, I'll join.

I'll have to try wiring my controllers. Sadly the response time via wireless was so bad that it left Atari 2600 pac-man and pitfall virtually unplayable. Connecting an xbox 360 controller alleviated all of that , but oddly it did not work well in the menus. I found myself having to use the included controller to navigate and then the 360 controller to play some games. Annoying - yes but not a show stopper for me. I have to admit - the new joysticks are the main reason I bought this unit. So far - I love the unit but the controllers have let me down. Thanks for the great info - we'll try some of the suggested fixes.

When you spoke to the MyArcade folks and they talked about an upcoming firmware update, did you get any sense that it would affect the sd card function...either good or bad?

Where can you buy a SD card with games already on it ? Don't know how load info onto them. Also I'm not very happy with the provided games there aren't many good ones but I still like the system

I buy those Amazon batteries too but they need better quality control, some of them are slightly smaller and don't sit well with the connectors in Xbox controllers.

So my console was not faulty in terms of the audio, I returned it to the shop yesterday and sadly the shop I bought it from only sell them via their website, so they didn't have another one in the shop, now I have to get another unit ordered. Damn. I did contact My Arcade via Facebook and via their website, and they didn't respond to me. Oh well. I'll call the shop and ask them if they'll order a new console for me, or simply give me back my old unit.

Am I the only person having an issue getting the gsp to read a micro sd card? I even tried by formatting in 32fat as recommended. Bout to scream lol. Thanks for the new video. Have a wonderful rest of your weekend/Monday. And Happy Thanksgiving bok-bok!!

You don't really need to worry about input lag --REALLY--, as it's Atari :P

your latency test didn't really "test" the controls in my opinion. I would have shown moving and the use of the paddle, not just pressing one button. I was playing "pong" and I noticed the paddle reacted slower but I have yet to test wired to see if it corrects it or not. It's possible that could be experiencing interference tru but I never really noticed the "latency" when pressing "A" and it was mostly with moving the joystick or using the paddle to move your sprite.

My Gamestation doesn’t stretch out arcade games and sound comes out of both left and right channels. I got mine on launch. I wonder why some are broken and others like mine are fine?

Do that latency test 10-12 feet away from the TV/Atari. I am getting latency and drop out at those distances.

Still confused where the "artwork" folder is supposed to go. Thank you for the video, btw! I have my "Games" folder on my microSD card, but not sure where the "artwork" folder should go.

I hope My Arcade will offer replacement controllers down the road and will offer them to distribution centers. My "C" button (the trigger) stopped working on my GSP in less than a week. Luckily, I was able to arrange for a straight exchange, through Amazon (because I'm outside of the USA). My Arcade asks that you deal with your distributor, if you're outside of the states. The warranty is good for 120 days after purchase so luckily the controllers are poorly enough made to break in six days..oops, I mean luckily my issues fell within the warranty window. ☺ Amazon was good by the way. Because of the warranty, I got a brand new GSP and they paid shipping, both ways, no questions asked. But let's be honest, these controllers aren't going to last forever.

I wish AtGames would fix the joystick latency on the anniversary flashback :(

What is the name of that airplane shooter game that does circles and where did you get it??? At 2:56

My GSP doesn't seem to acknowledge my generic Xbox One controller. Any advice for that?

Is there a way to add Atari 2600 games to the device? gamestation pro atari

The stick was fine but the paddles feel a bit off. Still way better than the stick. It's just like "I can feel it" for the difference. I used to be able to roll the score on Circus Atari. Not anymore. The semi-working arcade games are most of the issue for me. No options for Cavity or Double on Super Breakout, Ultra Tank is missing options for walls/mines, bounce shots... (Also would be nice to map the controls to play like Combat if possible using the original stick). Missing gears and track options in other games. Food Fight and I'Robot feel "drifty" for the controls. (8 way movement with a dead stop plays way better with a digital stick. I play I'Robot on my Legends Gamer Pro and it's awesome that way.) Crystal Castles... Hmmm... Plays "correct" for using an 8 way joystick but would probably play better IF it's possible to change the Y position "slightly" when moving left and right so it matches the angle of the mazes. The speed is still an issue. Later levels get crazy fast. (That's why a trackball really needs to be used but what can you do. Maybe holding down one of the buttons to speed up?) Games like Asteroids, Asteroids Deluxe, Gravitar and Space Duel play easier when thrust is maped to UP like the 2600 version. Someone made me a .cfg file for Asteroids Deluxe that way for the Micro SD card and it works great with the old stick that way. (And with the Asteroids Deluxe artwork it looks just too cool). Artwork options like what was just mentioned can dress things up "as an option". Tournament Table only plays Breakout and has a spot at the bottom the paddle "skips" over. I ran the latest version of MAME on my laptop and it looks like the games issues mentioned above have been figured out. Wonder how difficult it would be to make a custom build to fix the issues. A firmware update can fix most everything... I just hope they don't start tinkering with taking away the ROM support. I have 2 Atari Flashback units (and lots of compelation CDs, cartridges, etc for many systems). I play the missing games off of the Micro SD for convenience. Gotta have my Activision titles. Hard to believe they gave away many of their titles on cereal boxes way back. Oh, and of course... Paddle support for all the other 2600 and arcade games that use it. I noticed a couple games on the Micro SD card DID work with the paddle but games already included so it must be looking at the name of the file and some kind of checksum. (I tried tricking it by renaming Kaboom! to another title. No luck... The controls froze up. Joystick diet work either. I know it's a long laundry list of things to work on but the system is shaping up on the Micro SD card showing what is possible.

Has anybody had any luck downloading mame games, I can't get any of those to work?

Great video but it didn't address the fact that sometimes when you push the joystick in one direction it goes the opposite direction 🤔

Any idea if GSP will support 400/800 games?

When I try to drag that bin to my card it goes on the card but the Sega games do not play.

When I'm dropping files into my games folder sometimes it says are you sure you want to copy this file without its properties? Why do I get this message what's the meaning behind this the games are still working even though I click yes

They ship that thing with only the left audio channel working???

"Atari can only authorize release of titles it owns." Then why do I see Activision's Boxing, Drag Race (a hack of Dragster), and Space Raid (a hack of Megamania) included? There's also 20th Century Fox's Fast Eddie. I'm pretty sure Atari doesn't own the rights to any of those :)

Really surprised that the fact that you can't use analogue control on games that you run from the SD card is not on the top 5, it's a major show stopper for me and the reason I didn't purchase.

Hey My Arcade, Pay the Man!

I can’t get any games to play. I choose a game to play and the screen goes black and the lights on the game station flash on and off. I’ve tried everything I can think of but nothing works. Looks like it gets returned for a refund unless someone has a solution to get the games to play!!

The paddles jittery response on my unit was literally a joke. Just to hit the ball on breakout was laughable - no way to aim the ball - just lucky if i was able to hit it at all while moving with such a jittery response. I hooked up the cable connection and there was no change. I had my girlfriend confirm how bad it was. I had to return the unit - it was too frustrating. I didn't have another external paddle control to check it out but maybe that would have worked better. Not sure if a potentiometer paddle would be compatible with the unit. I have a couple original Atari pinball units and the paddle controller is flawless after cleaning them up. The object of breakout shouldn't be lucky if you can hit the ball. Wonder if anyone else has this issue - i really didn't see many comments on Google complaining specifically about this. Really disappointed - it was a birthday gift and i was so looking forward to a proper feel on the controller.

Activision owns the Imagic catalog

So basically. Get off all collective asses and do a few simple tweaks and solves easy problems....direct...love it❤

Did they write the script for you?

Who else wanna be able to use their retrobit sega genesis controllers with their GSP emulating Sega Genesis games??? I know I do!!! but it doesnt work :(

Is there an option for Tate . That would sell it for me .

I will send my Gamestation pro back because there is absolutely no smooth gameplay possible. I compared it with original cartridges played on the Atari 2600+ and the very same roms also on my Evercade system (Atari Collections 1+2). I really have to say, the gamestation pro is stuttering a lot because it has also a very poor processor comparing to the other two systems. It is a nice design so it is a pity I have to send it back because of this bad gaming experience. Stuttering / no smooth gameplay is the biggest problem in my opinion.

respect to the author, but i find playing with provided stick controllers is nearly impossible. hard to perform precise movements, combined with poor latency makes playing games not fun. yeah i can use my gamepad with usb cable but that kills the purpose, for that raspberry pie will do you better. returning to Costco.

Most games won’t respond when playing. The controller is useless. I’ve tried new power source then I tried a better hdmi cable and finally a usb-c cable to the controller and it still won’t respond when playing most games. Especially pac man.

Why can't we play two players on this system.

It’s called Bluetooth Atari.

Problem with flashing and it can go wrong and come up with a error and then can not get back into maskrom mode by pressing the button at the back, because the nand is now corrupt so have short the 2 pin holes next to the nand above the SD Card slot to get to go into LOADER Mode or MASKROM Mode but then has the error `Prepare IDB Fail` and will never be able to flash properly now so its a £119.99 paperweight because of the crap Rockchip cheap hardware, use Allwinner instead, way better hardware, and you do not need to flash the whole firmware, thats what the problem is, it can go wrong at any time because your flashing its bootloader again and the whole system so not just its rootfs or the games partition. I wish I knew what IDB stood for, maybe ID Bootloader, not sure, No problem with the Atari2600 Plus flashing, so very weird.

Should only release brand new games.those old "systems" are a scam