Evidently.

I can’t believe people still find this funny.

​@@SepticSafe_ correct. Lumbago is no laughing matter my friend.

​@@SepticSafe_ it's almost as if humour is subjective 🤔

Sadly his lumbago caught up to him 12 years later.

RIP HOSEA 🌹

@@einzelganger6664 What’s even more sad, and I can’t for the life of me remember which cast member said it, is that they said that if Lenny had survived Saint Denis, that he probably would’ve most likely stepped up into Hosea’s role as the moral heart and counselor of the gang

Uncle doesn't die to it though.

​@@daviscampbell9020 uncle never dies

@poppa Did you play RD1 ? He dies on the front deck there. In RD2 he falls asleep in the same location & posture.

he might have been old and dying, but hosea didn't play no fuckin games

Micah sounds like he’s masking there af, a true psychopath trying to fit in by pretending to be sad when someones gone. Either that or he’s setting up a joke

​@@jensibowable He's just being sarcastic

Hosea was not cold. Just a real oldschool gangster. You don't fck around with a guy like this, he doesn't play no games. Micah is testing the waters and Hosea sets him straight without even looking up from his book.

@@jensibowableyeah he even insulted hosea and lennys death on grauma camp. Made me hate him so much.

nah, snapping turtles are extremely aggressive and always dangerous, just grumpy animals. I think it's unfair to compare such a needlessly angry and territorial animal to such a caring old man

@@schwunkie I’m not very familiar with the nature of snapping turtles, however a quick google search tells me that they are in fact (in general) only aggressive if threatened. Even if that weren’t the case though it was just a comment, no need to dissect it and act like I’m insulting Hosea. He was a great character and I feel like this criticism of a small comment isn’t necessary.

@@mdsfhs sorry, i get defensive when the sweet old man who cares for and helps everyone in the gang is compared to a snapping turtle however i am familiar with snapping turtles, they're native to my area, and live in my backyard I can say experiencing many run-ins with them they are not pleasant and definitely aggressive beyond being threatened

​@@mdsfhs I cut the snapping turtles heads off when I found that they invaded the pond, they was eaten my ducks, hadda kill em uncle Bob held em down with his boot and I took that shovel, took that suckers head right off. Only animal that I felt okay with Killin I hate those demagorgon demonic shits.

Hosea is dangerous they had an encounter at camp strangers were trying to look around but Hosea and I believe bill were blocking their way and Hosea subtly but in a frightening way told them “leave or else” I can’t remember exactly how he said it but it was pretty scary

Its like when you get the first time high and you feel that buzz that feeling that you never going to get again because your body builds up a high tolerance of cannabis and you smoke more and more to get that same feeling but it leads you to nowhere and you become an addict a crack head lol to much internet for today

Heck I haven't seen some of these scenes. Plaything though for the first 3 or 4 times can have 1sts for you.

I wish I didn’t spoil it for myself, like an idiot

Same. I did a low honor play through my first time and wish I never did. Now I tell new players to finish with high honor and in chapter 6 complete the veteran and widow missions. For the reason why I only say "you'll understand when you get there" as to not spoil anything.

The biggest regret i have was just rushing thtough the story missions on my first playthough back in 2018... i didnt't understand how much more there was to this game

Yup that's when I found out about it

@@QuietWolfBRthat’s literally what the op said

This furthers my thought he caught pneumonia and couldn’t fight it off

@@Alley_Kat_Blackfyrea bullet the chest isn’t pneumonia. He’s have died sooner

@@jakeboehm5267 I never said it killed him, he was dying from it in the game until Dutch got him killed

Hosea really is like that grandfather who's seen everything, can differ from right and wrong, and simply cannot put up with the ostentatiousness of the younger members.

​@@StitchPentrue that

Omg yes, that has always been my favorite Hosea moment.

"Patients" 😂😂😂😂

He didn't read the line, he played it. It's motion capture and only some lines have to be redone in the studio. They are actors, not voice actors

Hosea probably doesn't have TB but he's not well.

@@Fizhy I know. It was joking. Anyway, I’ve been going hard at the game and now Arthur’s wealthy from selling gold in Chapter 2 and I’m glad you take the time to respond. And it could still be TB.

he likely has Emphysema

​@Fizhy best rdr2 youtuber and you history Channel is awesome too. Thankyou for all you effort it definitely shows in the videos

My guess is pneumonia or cancer

You'd be surprised to know Hosea isn't actually that old. He was in his 50's.

The first mission where he and Arthur went bear hunting is where I took a big liking to him his jokes and just how he talks to Arthur I was thinking “he’s such a sweet guy”

​@@Takaichi666- I'm regretting not going fishing with him. Rn I'm trying to do every mission and every side quest and everything and usually I don't do that in game's

@@devonian0590 my first play through I didn’t fish with them my second play through I did go fishing with Hosea and Dutch and it was actually a good time Hosea is funny with his stories

We all do😞😞😞😭😭😭😭

One he isn’t on the floor, secondly he is waiting for him to end the conversation. Completely wrong about what an idiot is, ironic really your comment

Common practice at the time really 😂 Even with the advent of industrialization, tobacco was a luxury commodity that was never wasted. If you find half a cig on the ground, no sense in just leaving it there when it could be yours.

@@SharpForceTrauma I remember a letsplayer hear bout Leviticus Cornwall being into sugar and she said “like…booger sugar?” And I commented how nope, sugar was THAT valuable back then. You could get shot over a bag full of the stuff depending on where you were.

@@SharpForceTraumaTo be fair people still do it nowadays 😂

At the time ? Bruuh, i did that just last week, guarantee i’m not the only one too 😂😂

I knew Jack was older than lenny

@@Billy_the-catprobably meant gunman wise

@@Billy_the-catand uncle younger than hosea

God Bless you my friend, you have my prayers. I'm sorry to hear this. ❤️

Look for some group activities, friendship comes with hobbies at an older age

There is nothing wrong with being alone, being alone is absolute freedom. Make the best of it, I use to not enjoy being alone. Now I practically love it and live for it, make the best of the situation. Sometimes having people isn't everything, I still see lots of folks, but only few am I genuinely close with. Just find a passion or something, maybe you can meet someone with that.

Maybe you're lonely because you're 63 and commenting on KZfaq videos about video games

@@dustywaynemusic6297dude shut up

that was when it was the end for the gang... that last light was snuffed out and dutch and gang spiraled out of control!

I feel that he sacrificed himself at the bank so the gang had a chance, he knew he was dying & did this one last thing for them.

You might be eating a bit too many soy products my boyo

@@GLKHD consider liberating yourself from the mental prison you're in.

I was already breaking down after Hosea died. But 5 minutes later after Lenny, I had to pause the game, drink some water, and just cry.

Very true, and yeah it was really touching seeing Bill always defend Arthur from Micah. There's even some hidden dialogue in ch 6 where Bill whispers to Arthur that Micah has spread rumors that Arthur has been saying crazy things about Dutch behind his back (which obviously isn't true). Just makes it more tragic that Bill sided with Dutch, not because he wanted to but because he didn't understand the situation, that's why he just looked confused when he did it. Even in RDR1, Bill admits he doesn't care for Dutch and that he's glad he's no longer there, compared to Javier who STILL defends Dutch in RDR 1, showing that Javier sided with Dutch out of pure loyalty.

I like to think it shows how things will end for outlaws regardless. Without hoseas death his sickness would kill him. Arthur's TB would be the gang falling apart instead. Dutch was falling apart before things spiraled and bill was gay so he would've gotten AIDS lmao Javier and lenny were of colour so would've been lynched eventually. My point is there's always something to kill ab outlaw and you can't escape that regardless of what you do.

@@fakeninja4447I know this comment was two months ago but what about the fact that javier points his gun upwards when the standoff at the end of chapter 6 happens? To me it always showed javier wasn’t sure either.

That and when the gang had the standoff near the end, Javier wouldnt aim his gun at John or Arthur.

@@thomasnewton6897i think he always sided with dutch he just didnt wanna shoot arthur either.

Yup the minute he stopped looking up to Dutch the more he listened to the actual Father of the camp

@@theoutsiderjess4869 Facts bro. ✅

Hosea and Arthur were already very similar, both fantasized of running away from the gang but both lost special people (Hosea lost Bessy, Arthur lost love with Mary and eventually lost his kid) so they both kind of missed that opportunity and are now the most loyal members of the gang because it’s the only family either of them will ever have. This also explains why both kept urging John to value his family and run away

@@josephstalin2606 Yeah that’s a good point on that one Jospeh ✅

considering hosea would of sided with arthur at the end of the game, I don’t doubt they were probably closer (if u do the greet options w hosea around camp they seem closer and nicer than with dutch)

I honestly fear that we will never see its like again. I hope against hope to be proven wrong on this. But the way the industry has taken a nosedive in the last 5 or so years fills me with dread. No other games company has taken such time and care over their world building, characters, lore, backstories, mysteries, secrets and genuine in-game rewards for exploration than Rockstar. But even they handed over their GTA, “remaster,” to Grovestreet Games, resulting in a travesty that still made them a lot of money. Time and again the industry has proven that you can make more money with less effort, and time and again, fan loyalty has been rewarded with disappointment, confusion and dismay at the trash we get from the suits in their executive suites, compelling the developers to cut corners in quality and implant micro transactions, NFT’s and paywalls. We may well look back at RDR2 as the very pinnacle of quality story telling and open world perfection that gaming reached, never to reach those dizzying heights again. Like I say, I would rather be wrong about this. But my gut tells me that all gaming hopes will hinge on the next GTA title. If that turns out to be trash, it will still make money. But if it is better than all of the previous instalments and capable of rivalling Red Dead? . . . Well, Rockstar might just save the triple A industry? . . .

I thought it was gonna be his demise. I was so wrong…

@@talkingedmma : It’s quite a while since I wrote that comment, I think? Yes, it does have a few draw backs, but they are forgivable, given what you get in return for your patience. I hate having my agency ripped away from me at those crucial moments when you play the story missions, for instance. There’s one way to earn that gold medal, and only one. So, get used to slow walking, enforced slow riding and having to watch lengthy, unskippable cut scene sequences, if you realise you made a mistake earlier and have to restart the mission. And god help you if you forgot to save just prior and have to use the wrong equipment, horses and unfamiliar weapons. No rewards for lateral thinking, problem solving skills or originality. And why in the hell can’t you rob banks in elaborate ways, from blowing holes in the walls, to tunnelling, to just holding the place up, like in several of the story missions!? That would have completed the circle for me! Until, that is, you have a random encounter, or pursue the skill tree rewards, at which point you’re a free agent, able to use your imagination and creativity to figure out how to lure a predator and set your own kind of trap, or hunt for a bounty, or commit a series of robberies, either getting away with it or leaving a trail of death and destruction in your wake, depending on which reward you’re going for. Or, like so many of us do, just remembering to save so you can attempt the most lucrative train robbery with the cleanest getaway, using a suspension bridge or tunnel as a tactic to stifle law enforcement, after robbing every individual, then murdering them to loot their corpses (they’re always holding out on you) blowing all the safes and raiding every last cupboard and chest, just to see what your tally is, for the sheer hell of it! Any game in which you can waste entire, lengthy, play sessions on gambling, shootouts, drunkenness, theatre going, early cinema, shopping sprees, private investigations, bounty hunting, animal hunting, relaxing fishing, horse racing and so much more, without EVER ONCE going near the main story missions, just losing yourself in a meticulously built, beautiful game, gets my money and time. Because, in the end that’s what it comes down to with me. Always the first and most important question I ask myself: Does the game RESPECT my TIME? When it’s just a giant Fetch-Questathon, with little or no in-game reward for completing it, other than adding stats toward completionism, I feel personally, viscerally insulted. I will forgive a game a lot if it has a good story and characters I can get attached to. But so many games (I’m looking at you, Starfield) actively waste your time with pointless fetching, punish lateral thinking and creativity, have bland, unforgivably stupid, morally blank, characters, blindly wandering about in a plot-hole-ridden story that makes less and less sense the more you think about it and actively encourages corporate-style immorality in the player in a flatly bonkers story that literally makes no sense! Like you said (and if you’re still reading this rant, thank you for your patience) the stars somehow aligned into this, “almost,” perfect game, where every character has a background, motives, logic to them. You even get that sense from the NPC’s when you do random stuff to them, like tormenting a passer by into taking a shot at you while you’re standing behind the sheriff, just so you can have him get murdered by the law, rather than drawing your own weapon, (Y’know? For a larf) because they’re so elegantly crafted. Now, it’s all about the, “parent,” companies and their shareholders. They get paid no matter what, and they have the law to back them. So, if that means laying off a bunch of staff, inserting micro-transactions and paywalls for progress, that’s not up to Rockstar. That’s up to Take Two, who owns them. And their motto comes from Goodfellas, “F’ck you! Pay me!” Now, they care about, “engagement,” which is a euphemism for, “time wasting,” because they measure everything about how long everyone plays, when they play, what they grind hardest for, their age groups, their income levels, etc. You sign away all your rights to privacy when you sign their terms and conditions, AFTER having purchased the game, in a contract that would NEVER stand up to serious legal scrutiny if anyone rich enough to take on Take Two’s battery of lawyers was to challenge them in court about it! And the Rockstar staff can’t even complain in public about all this, because they’ve all signed NDA’s which force them to give up their pensions, severance packages and even repay wages in some cases, should they break them by talking to the press. That’s why the truly creative minds behind Red Dead have all left now, like Dan Houser himself! That’s why I genuinely fear that, unless the punters seriously and collectively change their buying habits, we may well have passed the pinnacle of games as an art form. And Red Dead was it . . . Phew! I feel better for that rant. Like I said, if you moseyed all this way along my trail with me, then thanks for your patience . . . “Boah.” 😉✌️

I mean they are on the run for their lives and you got Bill drunk and Sean sleeping on guard duty... I understand that he is pissed. It's that kind of irresponsibility that could them killed. Bit I absolutely agree. I was so surprised when I saw those scenes for the first time.

I had seen him flip out on Sean, but I missed the part where he pulled a gun on Bill back in 2018

I would say view it as his character slightly cracking under the stress. Imagine you are all basically homeless and the fbi is up your ass with your family and you walk up to one of your sons (who you know is particularly irresponsible and stupid) is too drunk to help or asleep on guard duty. Even the nicest person is capable of snapping at someone when a particular pet is peeved.

If you watch the cutscene with Sean, Hosea actually throws a plate of what looks like food. The suggestion is there that Hosea was bringing Sean something to eat while he was on guard duty too - no wonder he flew off the handle like that

Lol I only heard them in the background.

I thought it was a little jarring but I had to crack on with it. I did my best to remove the jarring aspect and a dissolve fade on each shot did that well enough.

@@Fizhy Not jarring at all. Definitely some movie quality stuff.

@@TheTrillaTron yes, indeed! so good fizhy!

​@@FizhyJarring is something Trelawny would say! Lol

@@Fizhy I think you’re being too hard on yourself

Damn.

Not to me

Not really, his moral compass is literally what drove the entire plot, he's easily the most important side character in the game

​@@Betterfly_agreste nobody cares

He's the whole reason Arthur eventually starts questioning Dutch. "Time to start thinking Arthur, before it's too late."

@@theveryproudmoroccan2834Bro, why do people say this when it seams like you cared enough to reply, use your fucking brain bro

Makes sense. 🐎👀

At the age of 55, having lived the majority of his life in the rough and probably having started smoking very young, it’s basically a given that he acquired some kind of chronic respiratory disease. That said, I wonder how the damage he suffered would differ from the damage you see with today’s smokers given all the carcinogenic additives that are in tobacco products now.

I always figured it was something like chronic pneumonia, especially with the comments Dutch and Arthur makes about Hosea's coughing. COPD wasn't something I'd ever think of but it fits so well!

Now that i read this, it definitely could be true! My dad suffers from COPD too and i can see quite some similarities!

@louis. I came here to say more or less exactly the same thing. And as someone who has pretty severe stage 3 bordering stage 4 COPD and the early onset of emphysema the similarities between his condition and mine is too coincidental and it would make a lot of sense that could be the case for his sickness and illness. As sad as his death was the bullet was probably a blessing so he didn't have to face the slow painful death COPD would give. Unfortunately I doubt I'll be as lucky. But hey who knows lol. Maybe I'll go piss off a cop to get myself out our of my misery. But not before I do an Arthur and make sure those I love and care for are taken care of

Agreed. Either that or COPD.

One can also be afflicted with COPD that in turn grows into emphysema and I'd know cause I've got both

@@NIGHTSTALKER848 damn that sucks

@@wrench4203 thanks much appreciated and yes it sure does

​@@NIGHTSTALKER848 how long you have left, friend?

Hosea doesn't have all the symptoms for Emphysema and Bronchitis isn't a "terminal" disease. The prognosis for Lung Cancer in 1899 wasn't five years (you'd be lucky to make it two, and bed ridden for the last six months). He has Pulmonary Fibrosis (Interstitial Lung Disease... scarring of the lung tissue). All of the symptoms fit: Shortness of breath, especially with activity... Dry, hacking cough that does not produce phlegm... Extreme tiredness and weakness... Loss of appetite/Unexplained weight loss... Discomfort in the chest... Labored breathing, which may be fast and shallow... Bleeding in the lungs (usually only in the later stages and still not as much bleeding as either Lung Cancer or TB). The life expectancy for someone with ILD (even in 1899) was THREE TO FIVE YEARS (additionally, Hosea is rather gaunt, which could be explained by the loss of appetite/unexplained weight loss).

@@thebonesaw..4634 Cancers act differently on each organism. It's not only a common decease, It's a mutation of the cells. Different genetic, different reactions. Some people with cancer become walking corpses, but some other people who develop one or more types of cancer might still look normal and barely feel/show any symptoms. Besides, there's no way we could ever know how much time Hosea had left, since he didn't die by his sickness (Like Arthur). He was killed.

@@grimreaper6060 -- Normally, I'd agree with you. However, we know that Hosea has two to five years because Hosea says that's how long he has (whether he knows this because he's been diagnosed or whether he simply "feels" that's how long he has is irrelevant)... it's the information the writers of the game gave to us. So... based off of the information that the developers gave to us, along with the symptoms that Hosea was showing and the symptoms that Hosea was NOT showing... I can say with a great deal of certainty that it wasn't emphysema. I can also say that it wasn't bronchitis for the simple fact that bronchitis isn't terminal. I can also rule out lung cancer as well as a host of other terminal lung diseases for various reasons... It isn't COPD because people with COPD (even severe cases) easily live into their 70s and 80s (even in 1899). It isn't emphysema because Hosea doesn't have a barrel chest (which develops because the lungs greatly expand), and Hosea doesn't have cyanosis (blue tint of the skin due to lack of oxygen to the body's cells). It isn't Lung Cancer or Mesothelioma because the prognosis for both are generally shorter than 5 years (especially in 1899). It isn't Cystic Fibrosis - because that's a disease that develops in children. It isn't Bronchiectasis because the average life expectancy is 20 years from the point of diagnosis. It probably isn't TB because, once Arthur develops TB, Hosea doesn't say jack shit about it (if that had been Hosea's diagnosis, he probably would have mentioned it). _"You have TB? Holy shit! Me too!"_ Once we rule all of those out... we're only left with one major terminal lung disease... Pulmonary Fibrosis. And, wouldn't you know it... EVERY... SINGLE... SYMPTOM... FITS. Shortness of breath, especially with activity? CHECK... Dry, hacking cough that doesn't produce phlegm? CHECK... Extreme tiredness and weakness? CHECK... Loss of appetite/Unexplained weight loss? CHECK... Discomfort in the chest? CHECK... Labored breathing, which may be fast and shallow? CHECK. Again... this is a game. Hosea isn't really sick, because Hosea isn't REAL. But, if he were, my bet would be on Pulmonary Fibrosis, simply because all of the symptoms seem to point to it more that they do towards any other terminal lung malady.

@@thebonesaw..4634 If not treated, Bronchitis can actually become an worse condition and kill a person. Though I still believe in cancer, since all the symptoms also fit. But your theory is not to be ignored. We need every useful informations we can get about this.

​@@grimreaper6060well, he does say he might have 5 years left. I rather doubt that a number he would pick off the top of his head.

That scene in the bank robbery was the most wholesome 😊

I loved his quest in Rhodes with the moonshine too hahaha He and Arthur had such a great dynamic.

@@aylarios11 "Cousin Fenton!"

Much appreciated.

Same. Only thing I noticed was the mission where you move into horseshoe.

You really just said if you "don't notice you'll miss it"... Lmao

Or specifically, when you greet Hosea after him and Dutch are done talking, Arthur will ask about his cough

I'm surprised nobody else was mentioning that

Agreed. He’s the best written character in the 2nd game imo. One of the few with such subtlety

One of mine too, Hosea is a really personable but also no-nonsense character.

@@Fizhy truly the dad/grandpa of the group. I think everyone wishes they had a role model like him

​@@Fizhyhis illness seems like COPD to me, look into copd an compare to hosea and its pretty spot on, my nan has copd so I kinda spotted it off the bat

It's unlikely Arthur would have ever questioned Dutch without Hosea. And Arthur actually starts questioning him in chapter 4, before he gets sick but after Hosea tells him he needs to start thinking for himself.

There are types off TB. Arthur's one was also extremely aggressive. The full rdr2 story plays out over the last 6 months. Starts begin May, ends end November. And the beating and Guarma was was speeded up the process off Arthur's tb. Also Arthur never had a break anymore being on the run all the time..

It’s possible but I don’t think he’d be nearly as physically capable if he had tuberculosis

Hosea has Pulmonary Fibrosis (aka Interstitial Lung Disease), the symptoms of which are: Shortness of breath, especially with activity. Dry, hacking cough that does not produce phlegm. Extreme tiredness and weakness. Loss of appetite/Unexplained weight loss. Discomfort in the chest. Labored breathing, which may be fast and shallow. Bleeding in the lungs (usually in the later stages and still not as much bleeding as either Lung Cancer or TB). *The life expectancy for someone with ILD (even in 1899) was THREE TO FIVE YEARS* (additionally, Hosea is rather gaunt, which could be explained by the loss of appetite/unexplained weight loss). IDL (Pulmonary Fibrosis) is an umbrella term used for a large group of diseases that cause scarring (fibrosis) of the lungs. The scarring causes stiffness in the lungs which makes it difficult to breathe and get oxygen to the bloodstream. Lung damage from ILDs is often irreversible and gets worse over time. Many things can increase the risk of or cause ILDs including genetics, and certain medications... medical treatments such as radiation or chemotherapy can also cause it (but those weren't possible in 1899). Exposure to hazardous materials has been linked to ILDs such as asbestosis and hypersensitivity pneumonitis. People with autoimmune diseases such as sarcoidosis or rheumatoid arthritis are also at increased risk of developing an ILD. Smoking can not only cause ILDs, but can make the condition much worse, which is why anyone diagnosed is strongly encouraged to quit. Unfortunately, in many cases, such as idiopathic pulmonary fibrosis, the causes may be unknown.

Hosea lived with TB longer because he wasnt constantly in strenous stress and doing physically demanding tasks. He was keeping himself warm and had been medicating himself with ginseng the entire time. Not alot of labor, and while he is a competent gunslinger, he was someone who would join the fights as a last resort Arthur on the other hand accepted his fate and is still leading a very physically active lifestyle on the weeks leading up to his death. Hunting, gunfights, fist fights, running. And trying to make things right. He didnt put effort to medicating or keeping himself warm like Hosea did, Hosea wore winter clothes in Horseshoe Overlook, thats how warm he was lmao Hell, Arthur spent the last mission robbing a train jumping from horses back and forth, running up a tower to cover Sadie, running down to save Abigail, returning to camp, more gunfight, running through the caves and climbing up a mountain while more shooting occurs before finally fighting Micah. It made total sense he'd ran out of breath much sooner than Hosea did.

Beautifully done. Arthur reads his Journal at one point and mentions how Dutch was a father to him but Hosea was much more. Also Redsdeadbaby caught this interaction in Colter: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/ept2i6-jq96XmH0.html

Honestly, as simple (and to some, annoying) as that little interaction to start the hunting with Hosea mission is. It always warmed my heart just how happy he was to see Arthur. I really liked their friendship a lot

Doctor said he needs a backiotomy.

its very frustrating that they haven't done anything else with the game its still top quality the graphics and audio even 4.5 years later. they should have done a calader brothers story line the world and landscape is already built.

Agreed 🤠

Aside from introducing the legendary animal mechanic, I completely understand the stubborn pride to prove your ailing self to your own ailing self. Maybe I'm reading into it, but I could also see the failed hunting trip as a way to set bumbling Hosea up as someone you don't immediately side with, compared to big strong blustering Dutch. At least for a little while. When it comes to Hosea attempting things that he's just not suited for anymore, like when Hosea tried to lift that moonshine bottle and John had to step in - there's a number of things like that which are sprinkled throughout the story, which personally make me think it's intentional. It's a common human experience and people are stubborn and dumb. I get it!

Yeah fs man shows how twisted Dutch is

Could be a working theory since Arthur was the 3rd member of the gang following Hosea and Dutch so he would have been the one around Hosea for the longest most like.

In game yes, but I think that lore wise in the past he has done more of the killing or bad stuff that would lead him to believe he was going to hell. I personally believe he was able to redeem himself in a way.

Saw that and I was like that's either the one random encounter where you save the guy and take him to the doc or it's the other where he's already dead and you look him and get a silver tooth and that's it

And those conditions can last for years, rather than months like with TB or lung cancer. And whatever he had didn’t seem to be contagious because nobody else ended up with it (aside from Arthur, who got it from other sources).

Go to the gay zone.

​@@ulysses58599 what's it like?

@@HereGoesNothingFB I wouldn’t know, I ain’t Micah.

@@ulysses58599 I thought it was Bill who liked men?

@@HereGoesNothingFB you don’t remember? Micah has traps.