Its all about politics its a popularity contest

Yeah the racism was sickening but glad Flex recognised it.

Lol. I think flex imo had one of the best physiques and shape to ever get on stage. That being said Dorian wipes the floor standing next to him. He's lit. More muscular and better conditioned. Dorian from the back esp kills flex. Idk wth ur talking about

A hurt Dorian would still beat flex... Lol

@@rutheshelman2483 NEVER flex murders dorian hes too aesthetic with better shape,

Ha!

Haaaaaaaaa LOL!!

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Shawn didn’t like anyone.........PHD in whinging

Hard to believe, Dorian was arrogant. Levrone was arrogant. Cormier got along with just about everyone so long they didn't know he was banging their girl.

Nobody liked Shawn !!

Shawn and Dorian became good friends afterword. They were Warriors warring against each other.

Shawn had a great physique....but he was a total asshole!!

Kort Latimore No

Kort Latimore Ok, sorry. You’re right and the rest of the world is wrong

Kort Latimore do more research then.

Kort Latimore Ignorance is bliss😘

Kort Latimore bro, just do yourself a favour and check. Go look at the IFBB’s website. Each judge ranks the competitors from 1 to x, and the total of all scores are added together. The lowest score wins.. “Perfect score” just means each judge ranked Dorian 1st

He dwarfed Flex.

I couldn't agree more. Dorian's best look was 93' even 92 he looked great. Flex Wheeler was not at his best look in 93 but was still awesome to place 2nd.

Flex lost from the back in the legs..in 93.

i dont like dorians structure. dorain by himself said thath flex on 100% woudl destroy him. but flex didnt train as hard as dorian. he didnt need to since he got that great structure

I know I think he made that bit up 100% flex has a big head he's just acting

Yes!

Kevin Levrone was well known to take several months off from training, then start back up 5-6 months before the Olympia. Imagine if he had trained all year round. He was big, but could have been bigger and better.

That's exactly right!

David Jerome funny how I know Kenny but none of you,so how the fuck do you and the other three fan boys know Firsthand anything about his work ethic,you hear shit and believe it then recycle it like gossip girls,grow the fuck up

M Petties lol stfu you’re full of shit

@William Leonard and monster size with great proportions

William Leonard very true

That's his point. No matter how good he was, Yates had no need to worry. Didn't matter

RIGGED JUDGING.....like Arnold 1980

@@WZ912 you people are something lmao. Delusional as they come. Flex was good 1 time, 1 event, 1 year when Yates ruled the sport and that was 1993 when Yates was at his absolute best. He destroyed Flex that year and nobody, and I mean NOBODY argues that Flex should've won in 1993. in 1994 he had a car accident, in 1995 he placed 8th, in 1996 he placed 4th and in 1997 he was fighting ninjas on the street so he couldn't compete. By 1998 Yates had retired. Where's the rigged judging? based on 1 competition? lol. As I've said, DELUSIONAL.

When Dorian flexed things happened. He knew how to work his best poses. He had that grainy look. But also that scary menacing way of posing, almost like a Gladiator. Hell even the music got people pumped!

Dorian has said many times that an integral part of his pre contest prep was to dedicate a significant amount of time flexing which, he has said, paid huge dividends because the other competitors gas out during the poses that he was conditioned to do.....his knock was that he rarely smiled

Yeah he seems major butthurt and everyone knows being black makes your physique look better hence the tanning oil all the white people use Dorian was bigger and better flex still looked amazing tho

@@scottlosey4978 It is a damn good thing that didn't use the fake pageant smile like the rest of the fools

Dorian had great symmetry for the first 3 years

@hehe cutlers stomach was usually pretty flat he was in great shape

Yet somehow he sucked and was only winning because of politics according to the internet fanboys. 🙄

Shadow’s work ethic was unshakable

Really? Dorian was huge but Flex looked a shitload better. Not sure how many people would look at that AND SAY they wanna look like Dorian over Flex in that show. And that does say something.

@@Flexb123 exactly I never cared for that look Dorian ruined the sport period

well he sorta admits to it he has said he knew the judging criteria and based everything he did around that in order to win he knew if he was the biggest and most condition he would win regardless of if he looked good

@@booty121212 Ruined the sport? lmaoooooooooo. "Damnit Dorian! You made the judges judge you too good, now the sports ruined". -_- Blame the judges not Dorian. Dorian bodybuilt, the judges are the one who put him on the pedistal.

Flex looked way better and likely should have won the show. Dorian was big but more bloated and less aesthetic.

sergio had a higher body fat?or just never really flexed half his muscles and use a ton of baby oil, which under stage lights made look smoother than he really was overall size?other than chest arnold didnt have a single larger bodypart than sergio, NOT ONE Sergio was ALLOWED to win to make the new ifbb look openminded and not racist like nabba or aau etc, plus he was so far ahead of anyone, including arnold they couldnt deny him ps.they said dorian won because ifbb didnt want to make it look like a black dominated sport after 8 haney wins, so the new mr O "had" to be a white man

@@TheLusianPopa Arnold's arms looked better than Sergio's. His biceps peaks were much better. Triceps were about even. Arnold's chest looked better than Sergio's (as you pointed out). Arnold was in better condition than Sergio. Arnold's legs had much more separation than Sergio's had. Arnold was overall the superior bodybuilder.

@@preservationwealthmanageme3184 biceps is one muscle, sergio's triceps and forearms are way better, no comparison, nto even going to debate it.Sergios back smokes arnolds, just compare the front and rear lat spreds LOL at arnold being superior, teh man is the most overrated bodybuilder ever i put him next to sergio and i see NO LEGS, and nbtw sergio hardly ever fully flexeed his quads, so dont use the whole separation excuse. NO TRICEPS NO FOREARMS NO LATS NO SHOULDERS NO V TAPER TO SPEAK OF, especially for that era it was mediocre Pose by pose Front double SERGIO.Way better balance , quads, v taper....arnolds peaks alone dont win the pose sorry, small body arts dont decide poses Front lat spread?SERGIO ALL DAY Back double bi Arnold- better back detail and calves form the rear, althogh his v taper sucks balls and his thighs are thin as fuck Back lat spread SERGIO ALL DAY Side triceps?SERGIO ALL DAY, arnold never even hit that pose, try and find one LOL Abs & thigh SERGIO, een though both had average abs but sergios quad size and bigger lats /v taper GAME OVER Side chest Arnold Is it 5-2?LOL at you say arnold is the superior man GET A GRIP Regardless of his sligjtly better detail, his structure lets him down in many poses,mainlywo lat spreads and also abs & thigh Arnold is simply too incomplete and structurally inferior, and conditioning was hardly a deal breaker in those days arnold was great, i rate him above lee haney but both are below sergio from a phisical perspective

@@TheLusianPopa Sergio had no separation in any muscle group. I've never heard the lame excuse that he never flexed his legs. That is just beyond laughable. He had big arms, football biceps with no peak, a small waist with wide lats. His calves were average at best. Sergio's chest couldn't compare. His back, while thick had no detail nor did his legs, and who really judges a bodybuilding competition on forearms? Arnold had a better presentation, more charisma and always came in better condition than Sergio. After Arnold lost the first time, he improved to the point where he never lost to Sergio again. Again, proving Arnold was the better bodybuilder. Or, maybe Arnold won because Sergio didn't flex his legs...LMAO.

@@preservationwealthmanageme3184 sergio didn alot of stuff that made him "appear" smoother than he was the excessive use of baby oil, which under stage lights washes him out overdoing the backstage pump, by actually engorging a muscle with blood you are losing some definition, this is something arnold actually mentions in one of his books as for the not flexing his legs most of the time, i guess john hansen doesnt know shit either eh? Because the contest was being filmed by ABC-TV’s Wide World of Sports, the stage was flooded with bright lights for the benefit of the television cameras. Sergio made the mistake of slapping on too much baby oil before he stepped onstage and the strong lights made him look too glossy and smooth. Just like after his loss to Frank Zane in 1968, Arnold analyzed why he was defeated by Oliva at the 1969 Mr. Olympia. He obtained film of Oliva posing to study his physique and take note of his strong points and weak points. He noticed how he hit his poses and where the weak links in the armor would be. When Arnold met Sergio onstage one year later, he put his plan into action. For all his genetic gifts and his incredible work ethic (Oliva, unlike Arnold, worked a full-time job involving physical labor before commencing his brutal 3 hour workouts every day), Sergio was lazy on the posing platform. Often, he would leave his legs unflexed when hitting an upper body pose or he would not properly contract all the muscles when hitting a back pose. Arnold took note of this and worked on his posing routine even harder, only including poses in which he looked his absolute best. I guess you know better than him right i already broke it down pose by pose i gues you also forgot to say he also had way better quads, shoulders than arnold hahaha sergios chest couldnt compare?how so?it was just as thick and super wide and shapely.Arnolds was a little more square and lower attachment but that certainly doesnt translate into very superior back detail?john hansen explains it for me forearms are half the upper limb kid as for his calves beig average?LOL they were huge and in proportion to his thighs, arnold had huge claves but small thighs, so his overall top to bottom leg development was whack. better presentation?yeah but sergios beats him 5-2 in the mandtaories LOL More charisma?ppl actually tend to underrate how charismatic sergio was and tend do overrate how charismatic arnold was for some reason.Arnold was very nervous when on stage, especially against sergio, always in better condition?NO Only in 1970 he had better condition( when arnold advised sergio to bulk up 15 lb lol), 72 it was equal at least, and in 69 sergios was better in 72 arnold admitted he was the only guy NOT IN SHAPE so dont even try improved what?other than condition he didndt really improve his lagging legs, shoulders, triceps, forearms or make his waist any smaller arnold was the business partner of weider, and under contract and on all his covers even before mr O didnt weider say , anfd this yopu can verify i put sergio on the cover i sell x magazines, i put arnold on the cover i sell 3x magazines do we really, REALLY, need to say more? arnolds record is better but politics helped his ass half the time you think youre the 1st arni no legs kegg waist fanboy i tear apart in an argument ive done this to loads of punks over the years and they really haver ntohing to counter me, especially when i bring in the links

say what you will, but the 99 Arnold's version of Flex would beat any Dorian version. 93, Flex was smaller rookie and was the only Olympia he peaked for. But As said by Arnold, Flex's physique at that 99 Arnold show was the best he ever saw on stage. But you are right, Yates took Bodybuilding to a new level, but also was where bodybuilding starting going wrong and physiques got away from the shape and aesthetics into a weird looking freak show. Also, now that I think about it, It was Haney in '91 that took it there, Dorian just carried it on into a new era.

@@Flexb123 Dorian retired in 97 undefeated . Im talking about reality and fact not supposed fantasy match ups ....after someone retired, being a 6 x mr O unbeaten

Flexb123 Flex could never beat an in shape Dorian! From the back, night and day!

Wow definitely not a bodybuilding fan then.. Completely wrong on all dates

@@britishbeefbritishbeef8738 Who cares if im a bodybuilding fan to you or not u mug ?? llolol and if im wrong correct me on every single date mr superfan

@@breaks3085 you're seeing things that aren't there

Totally agree, he was more than just a sum of his bodyparts.......a master of the mandatory poses And lest anyone forgets or thinks otherwise, a back development that is unrivaled till today, to beat Dorian onstage you had to literally display a better back development than him.

No but he makes perfect sense. Dorian couldn't pose like Shawn or Flex. Not even close, no way he should have been even in top 5 with posing. Same with symmetry esp with a torn bicep. How do you get first in symmetry round when one arm is noticeably different than the other.

@@Flexb123 Dorian actually explains why he won on JRE, he knows his weaknesses and maximizes his strength which was his back and conditioning

ScouserLegend Watched the podcast myself. It’s nonsense, and Dorian is one of my favorite bodybuilders. He got destroyed in 1997, but still won

@@Flexb123 Ronnie was the worst poser of anyone on stage year after year yet he kept destroying them because he was so ahead in physique development that it didn't matter. Yates was a much better poser than you give him credit for and his physique destroyed Flex's, Shawn's, Levrone's. No amount of good posing is gonna fix your physique.

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@@anthonylodge7516 dick

rigged

@@WZ912 its called criteria yates was bigger( wider thciker) but also harder denser and drier basically flex never had a chance

True. I wonder if he knows what it really means. Other than it being a British put-down / swear word.

, Some words are just too good not to use. Wanker is one of them. Still sounds better when y'all say it though.

@Ghoulies could you please explain this second meaning? You mean a person that masturbates? Im polish but Im really curious, I heard a lot Britishmen using that word so if you could explain, I would be greatful, take care man

yeah dorian in 93 was just something that transcended bb the man was way more muscular, way more conditioned and at that point in time very well balanced and symmetrical, witha streamlined midsection, and a darn good posing routine crowd went NUTS during his routine coleman in 98 brought a similar level of condition( sorta) but with some symmetrical flaws-weak calves, oversize glutes and gyno, and a slight distension in the midsection as good as ronnie was 98, he didnt KILL flex to the same extent dorian did in 93

i bet he could make you a victim

Are you dumb?

That's really unfair. He prefaces that anecdote by saying "in my ignorance" and that it's "embarrassing" to admit he thought it was a slur. That's called humility in my book.

Most can see it as a slight to their hard work. Basically saying its God given and you didnt do anything to deserve it.

@@Bruss813 That applies to other sports a lot more than in bodybuilding. In professional bodybuilding (in which everyone is on steroids) talking about someone having good genetics typically refers to them having naturally good aesthetic skeletal structure and muscle insertions

There is a supposed fact that certain bodybuilding Mags sold a lot better with white men on them then black. Also why they used to throw females on them a lot. If Flex was white with that physique, he probably would have been more successful (sad as that is) ITs like boxing and the great white hope.

@Anton Hallergren I don't even address idiots with logic anymore, I just ignore them.....

@@Flexb123 oh bs, why do they put tan on then? flex should have put skin paling cream on

@@adambennett1193 Cause a TAN shows definition better. Some of the lighter skin black dudes tan also BTW or use tanning creams. I used to know a lot of the top pro's mid to late 2000s and I think it was Darrem that told me tans before a show. Why some of them have a reddish look.

I’m white and I blame the black race for Haney and Ronnie beating Dorian and Cutler all those years. This is racism! 🤣

I see what you did there fan boy!

@@powerhouse5007 What did he do?

Shit arms is a pretty hilariously inaccurate description. Yates doesn't have a peak on his bicep. That's it. It's hardly shit. His arms were good overall. Forearms and triceps were great looking.

I disagree.

look at his pre workout pics, he was tiny literally a 98 pound weakling

He had better symmetry but that was pretty much it. But he's still one of the best ever.

In how many poses does the judges give out scores for the best biceps?