Flip monsters didn't fail. The mechanic was simply powercrept to death now

You should talk about Fusion during the early years of the game because Fusion summoning used to be really bad early on in the game.

I'd like to see Flip monsters that get Waking the Dragon-type effects where you're heavily punished if you remove them while they're face-down, so they're only "vulnerable" while face-up. It'd be another way to do the Danger theme where the monsters hide themselves, and you have to make them reveal themselves to "capture" them.

I think this is a great example of a powerful tool that became weak - I would love a video about cards and/or mechanics that had the biggest increase in power over time!

Another cool thing about flip monsters is the ability to bluff or scare your opponent to buy a turn. However the modern yugioh is now about using your whole deck in a single turn.

I played the game really heavily in the early days and Flip monsters were absolutely amazing back then. To the point you needed cards like Crossout and Sasuke Samurai to deal with them. One video I would like to see is the evolution of Field Control. Back in the day it was cards like Ground Collapse, Gravekeepers Servant and Gravity Bind.

Still a big fan of Ghostricks. You still can't really use them if the opponent is using Link monsters, but it's incredibly fun to struggle back and forth for control with your opponent using them. Protecting your monsters from being attacked when they're face down, flipping their monsters down and preventing them from being flipped up, and just ignoring their cards completely and doing direct damage. It's an appropriately mischievous deck for the archetype.

Out of the solutions you've suggested, the last one was the best imo. The first was also really good. They can also start focusing their "Power creeping budget" on FLIP monsters themselves. For example, newly printed FLIP monsters can have one or more of the following effects: 1) When this set monster is destroyed by a card effect, activate it's FLIP effect. 2) This monster's FLIP effect activation and resolution cannot be negated. 3) Neither player can respond to this monster's FLIP effect activation. 4) If this card leaves the field without activating and resolving its FLIP effect: etc... *Insert more examples here* Ideas for generic FLIP support cards, they could have the following effects: 1) If you control a set monster, *insert strong effect* 2) This turn, you can special summon monsters in face-down defense position instead of face-up defense position. 3) While this card is face up on the field, your opponent cannot target set monsters you control with card effects. 4) Target 1 set monster you control: Pay half your life points, then flip that monster face up. You can only activate this effect of blah blah once per turn. 5) Add one spell/trap card from your deck to your hand that mentions the word FLIP in its text. (Cuz you need support for the generic support) *insert more generic support ideas that I won't be thinkin about for more than 10 minutes that's for sure*

Ah yes... Flip Monsters, or how my friend used to call them: Trap Cards with stats.

The dread I felt back in the day when attacking a set monster and it turned out to be Man Eater Bug...

The only way to fix flip monsters would be to make FLIP (i.e Pyro/FLIP/effect) mean you can flip them up any time on your op's turn. Basically making them pseudo trap cards for the main monster zones. Maybe making them counter trap speed, so only other FLIP or counter traps can stop their effects popping off.

I think Flip monsters should go the route of Nekroz. An archtype of flip monsters that all say “Quick effect: During your opponent’s turn, you can reveal this card in your hand, flip one monster you control to face up defense position” would make it so you can trigger the flip effects of your own cards any time you want, drastically speeding up the mechanic, while also still requiring that the card be set on your own turn to keep the spirit of the mechanic

Master rule 6, Flip Monsters can spell speed 2 (quick effect) flip themselves into face up attack position. Their flip effect will trigger after the present chain resolves. So for example, you have Penguin Soldier set and your opponent starts their turn with Raigeki, you chain flip Penguin Soldier to attack mode, chain resolves and Penguin Soldier is destroyed. Afterwards, Penguin Soldier's flip effect triggers and bounces up to 2 monsters (there were no monsters so effect basically fails).

If they changed it so that Flip effects also activated if the monster was destroyed by card effect, that would probably fix them.

You can also use Lord of the heavenly prison to give flip monster protection from destruction from card effects, because his effect protects all set cards not just set spells/traps. Not that this makes flip monsters any better just something to point out.

Flips should reinvent themselves like Big Shield Gardna. Give each member of an archetype 4 distinct effects: 1) A normal, instant advantage effect like modern cards. Say a search on summon. 2) An effect that lets them HOPT flip themselves face down instead of being destroyed, or an effect that lets them flip themselves face down to negate the activation of a card that targets them, or if theyre used as material for an archetypal extra deck summon, etc 3) an effect that lets them flip face up when a condition happens, say if a monster is moved from the gy, a normal summoned monster activates an effect, the opponent draws a card, etc 4) a flip effect

it's always interesting seeing vids like these showing how a mechanic is bad not because it is actually bad but because it is archaic and obsolete. it really is interesting seeing how much change can make something that was 1ce dominant become just an old unusable relic

What's interesting about this is, the main reason being they failed "Because the game is faster," a lot of people still argue that's the game's fault and dislike that aspect more than the cards being slower.

Flip monsters are supposed to function similar to trap cards, they punish the opponent for letting their guard down

Is it fair to call these Flip monsters failed? They were good 15 years ago, they've just fallen out of favor.

We need more slow cards that punish the opponent in some way for screwing you out of getting to use them. Make cards that'll near always do something, maybe even more for being outed than used, as a try at counterbalancing being slow. Surrender speed and in exchange gain certianty.

I really liked clown control deck back in the days, even if it wasn't that strong, effects that are activated when monsters changed their battle positions were interesting.

on MD I tried floodgating with Subterrors and Ghostricks. SB Ultramafus mass Book of Moons, Ghostrick Night stops your opponent from flip summoning if you control a Ghostrick (I used Angel of Mischeif as we didint have Festival.) Ghostrick Manor allows for direct attacks while not touching for your opponents monsters. I just never pulled of the lock. I had options to deal with link monsters. There will be a day where I can abuse Ghostrick Night.

I still use pure Shaddoll deck to this day. Such a fun deck. I know Construct and Winda are the big fusion monsters but, I have won duels with Shekhinga and Apkallone. Always like using Shaddoll against decks like Tri Brigade and Kaiju.

I think a fun series that definitely has some longevity would be failed archetypes. Discuss what's inherently wrong with the archetype at the time of release and at the time the most recent support was provided, and provide suggestions on what card(s) would be needed to make the archetype better

Flip Monsters are my favourite Jank Deck for Casual tabletop play with the bois, nothing is more fun then actually resolving Dice Jar haha

I love this video. Some of my all time favorite older cards are flip effect monsters that never even have the chance of being used in today's fast game. One way this flip effect mechanic could have a similar effect to what they once had is if they included a "face down" effect. Where a monster effect has the option to have the "Flip" effect or an immediate "face down" effect.

No flip monster is not failed mechanic, is just a very old mechanic. If Konami print card Flip draw three card this card see tones of play from sure. The effect was not enought, no the mechanic

I’d suggest a link 1 crawler or subterror that requires a flip monster. And it’ll have a unique summon effect where you reveal the link to your opponent, then target a face down and flip it. As long as it’s a flip monster, it’s flip effect resolves and then the link is link summoned. It can from that point basically do nothing but it already served it’s purpose.

One way to improve flip monsters is to make them like trap cards where you can immediately flip them up on your opponents turn. In addition, should create flip monsters that are Spell Speed 4. This wouldn't automatically make them a powerhouse but at least it would significantly improve them. Like they could have a "Solemn Judgement" like flip monster that negates effects or summons, maybe having them banish instead of destroy to buff them

You run 3 separate printings of Ryko to gaslight your opponent about what its effect specifically does, obviously.

My favorite was using "Invader of the Throne". Sooo many ppl used this card incorrectly. Using trap "Light of Intervention" after setting invader. This way u can steal your opponent's monster with invader's flip effect or trigger trap during ur opponent's turn after they summon a monster.

Making the flip effect useable instantly would just defeat the point of the mechanic. I like the Ghostrick solution better: Face-downs can't be attacked, but don't stop direct attacks. This increases the chance they will survive long enough to activate.

Say what you will, but when the stars align, Aroma Jar stall is a magical and hilarious thing.

Mecha Phantom Beasts are an interesting case of how tokens are utilized but fails in variety of different ways. The archetype surprisingly have many different cards to use token generation based play but it does in a way that is clunky and slow. There is like 2 usefull main deck monsters in the archetype that is actually decent those being Tetherwolf and O-Lion. Aside from those monsters, the archetype has little to no monsters allowing you to create advantage properly. And the acrhetype has in my opinion, includes one of the worst spell/trap support in the entire game ranging from cards with costly maintenance/activation costs and generating little to no advantage. As for extra deck monsters, Dracossac and Auroradon are actually the only competitively useful monsters to the point they are used as generic support for other decks, but not used in their home archetype since majority of cards doesn't do great job creating a synergy with them. I really want to see a video on this topic. These cards certainly have an interesting history despite the archetype itself is barely funtional

Having a rota that is specific to generic flip monsters could be a crazy support. Maybe too crazy that it might get a limited off rip even with a hard once per turn and/or strict level limit, but I feel like a flip monster search wouldn’t be incredibly nasty, but maybe too techable in some decks that may use such a search card for its floating effect or the extra discard for a combo/extension play.

Who remembers penguin soldier? My friend used to return his penguin soldier and one of my monsters back to my hand when I attacked in to it. Later on I understood that penguin soldier is supposed to be destroyed by battle 😂 We had the same issue with black cat with white tail too. We just thought it was a straight up overpowered version of penguin soldier hahaha

Great video, love all these niche tear lists. Video idea: Top most expensive cards that have a common (re)print

I just made Prediction Princess Guard Dog Turbo deck that I'm having fun with. I also think it would be a cool, but not at all broken, piece of generic FLIP support if there was a card that let you shuffle the Set monsters on the field (like Magical Hats). Just in general, it might be a cool idea for FLIP card to lean into how they are face down and your opponent doesn't know what they are. That and the other things that were said about making them more like Ninja cards (maybe that's how Ninjas work, I don't know, I've never heard of them before)

I liked Equipment back in the day. Slapping an Axe of Despair on your 7 Colored Fish to beat over Summoned Skull has to be one of the most defining memories of caveman yugioh

best flip monster nowadys still bein the Morphing jars. Especially #2, because many player doesn't seem to concerned about face down monsters, set up beat down boards without an option to counter a flip monster. Had quite a bunch of matches in Master Duel where people quit gamer after getting wiped by #2 effect

I wonder if it could help to give flip monsters the effect that, if they are about to leave the field, they can be flipped face up. That would fix the removal issue while keeping their effects, instead of giving additional ones. And could potentially be used together with self-bouncing card or something similar. Also, I know why it's difficult to do, but introducing something like special setting (akin to special summoning, but allows you to set the monsters face down instead) could help. It could also find play alongside or against strategy that limits special summoning.

No better feeling than a Cyber Jar turning a losing situation into a winning game.

I think Gravekeeper Spy is like solemn Judgement for the fact we didn't know at the time the potential. Playing a lot of GOAT format I use Panda burn with 3 spy's. People can't get around that usually, unless they are -1 just to get through that 2000 defense.

Flips either need a way to flip as response, give good graveyard effects like shadoll or give them just like, broken effects

I think two things would really help drag Flip Monsters. 1. Setting a monster does not take up your normal summon, allowing you to more easily flood the board. 2. Flip effects instead work like MTG 'Kicker' effects where the card has the effect as is but if the kicker cost is paid (in this case by setting the monster and later flipping it) then the original effect is empowered.

The whole Subterror archetype is probably the closest to a viable flip archetype we will ever get. Despite the fact the Guru, Fiendess, Hidden City, Final Battle + a bunch of floodgates and Traps is arguably the better way to play, pure Subterrors can still be usable. They can easily summon their high level monster that can all easily flip themselves face down. Not only that, most of their effects are actually really good: drawing cards, milling any card from your deck, banishing your opponents cards, protecting your entire field from desturction, mass non-targeting flipping etc.

I've been thinking of a few different flip monster effects based on hoops and a few different potential support cards. Some powerful effects are often based on board state drawbacks like not having as many cards as your opponent. If this facedown card is targeted flip this card face up and active effects based on the number of other facedown monsters you control. Only active this effect if there are no cards in your spell and trap zones, or only activate this effect if you have no cards in hand, or only activate this effect if you control no special summoned monsters. You could maybe incorperate new traps that extend the number of sets but not summons in a turn. You might even be able to have auto flip effects trigger based on proactive actions the player takes like drawing a card, destroying a card, or the flipping of another monster. Field or continuous spells that tick up the effect number on flip cards by 1 allowing you to reach requirments easier. With #4 effects being like, negate the card or effect that targets this card, while also getting the other effects listed on the card like, gain life, draw a card and discard, and return a card to opponents hand. The level 4 or level 5 flip effects being huge payoffs like returning monsters from grave, or nontargeted theft of an opponents boss monster by gaining control of your oppoents monster with the highest total combined stats. There's a lot of other ideas I have for this like your cards taking account of the entire board including your opponents monsters, with some effects changing their feild positions to be, attack, defense, or face down being the strongest. One final thought being that you could change the way some flip monsters become flipped summoned, having some of them flip into defense mode instead of attack mode. I genuinely wanna design a whole archtype off of this and call it "Cascadia" or something (if that's not already a name) because I love flip monsters a lot and wish they didn't fall so hard out of meta.

Would love to see you talk in-depth about exodia retrains, given how they're even less popular than the original exodia.

Flip monsters have a lot of the same problems "battle traps" do; they can't do anything on Turn 1 and they do nothing at all if they're removed in any way before you can activate them. I had a better Failed Cards idea, but I can't remember what it is, so I'll just suggest Earthbound Gods again. Earthbound Gods "fixed" some of the issues Toon monsters had, but still aren't good outside of the hummingbird and haven't received any support.

TBH they can't be called failed in any sense, they have fallen out of favor but if a card type dominates in it's own time should be called a successful card type, kinda weird to call it failed (Edit: FYI if every card type is failed unless it is meta right now then most are failed and qualifying the flip decks that do use it [subterrors and shaddolls] as not relying on it is disingenuous because you can take out most types of cards that way, it just feels clickbaity way more than usual when you could just call it Flip Monsters Rise and Fall - Cards and Mechanics)

I actually use a couple flip monsters in Duel Links and they have their benefits. I use Man-Eater Bug & Gale Lizard because they can not only be a shield but also either destroy a monster or send it back to the hand. So if you have two monsters and I only one, you won’t be getting to my life points. They’re a good stall

I say the only way to make a flip archetype tier 1 or tier 0 is to combine the fundamentals of 3 differs t archetypes together into one: Shaddolls, Ghostricks, and Subterrors. Gotta give them a way to abuse and force their battle states and positions at will, alternate effects if they're sent to the grave without activating their flip effects and the ability to lock down your opponent if you have face down monsters. It's the only way I could see it working with how fast Yugioh has become

What I like to see on Flip Archetypes is how they do your Gimmick of the best way possible, Prediction Princess has his Rituals, that even can look kinda Clunck it's curious the fact that they can be good for even Flip Monster, Worm is a strange case because even If was used on some tournaments It wasn't for the Flip strategy, and because you can go to a lot of plus with the Very few good cards (Xex sends Yagan, Yagan summon himself, with Meteor Nebula you can Flip Yagan and maybe a Cartaros, draw some cards and summons freely King from the deck), Krawlers even If they aren't necessary good Flip Monsters on the Sense of their Flip effects they are Very good on swarming the field and their World Legacy cards that até focused on Krawlers. Tindangle I think is the only modern Flip deck that I can say that failed because It has a lot of higher level Monsters that doesn't summon themselves easily (except intruder) and the dumbiest decision of giving Focus on that level 5 0/2100 that I Forgot the name that himself isn't a Flip Monster and doesn't has a incredible effect to bê mentioned on other Tindangle Monsters, it's more like a Garnet that you need to use because other cards mention him.

Mimicking man eater bug is a solid card when you are playing against a 1 archetype deck, it's only weakness becomes spells that can target it since no monster can ever deal with it

If they can print a card that can special summon flip monsters face down, it would make you use their effects the same turn. Also, if a flip monster has a flip effect tied to another effect. Ex: Flip monster: You can target 1 monster on the field, flip it and this card face down. When this card is flipped back face up, target another card on the field, destroy it. You can use this effect of "insert card name" once per turn. This effect is balanced by the fact that it's tied to a flip condition which slows the card enough to not be broken which I guess they can print make even crazier effects like that.

When I started playing Yugioh in 2002, Flip Effects won me every single tournament I played in. I would just make a deck with nothing but flip effects and instant death cards like Trap Hole/Michizure. I would normally end up with 4-5 monsters with 300-450 attack in attack mode and nobody could touch me. It stopped being viable after the next tier of cards came out though, but it was still fun. I remember getting to the finals against this guy that drove 200 miles to play and I crushed him. Good times. Now I play with Watts and get crushed by everything. Still fun anyway.

Give a card an effect, but then let that affect amplify if it is triggered through flipping the card face up. ex. Summon/Special summon - mill 1 card from decks. Flip - Mill 2 cards from decks

Flips are in a way like *5+ XYZ summons. They take some other card to smooth out the process enough to make them viable, like how we have Rank-Up spells to leverage *4's into something with even more OOMPH without the hassle of Normal summoning each needed part or needing pendulum support.

I hope this guy doesn’t run out of ideas. He’s amazing with these videos.

My first yugioh deck ever was just random flip effect monsters back in 9th grade when i knew nothing about playing but just used all the old cards i had from my younger years

The problem with flips is that they have printed like 2 good flips since DM-GX era, those being the shaddolls which are good because of everything except the fact they have flip effects, and guru, the only good flip monster they have printed that actually uses the flip effect and guru is only good because of how much subterror support they made before printing guru when konami really wanted subterrors to be good, mainly hidden city and subterrors pretty good traps A lot of flips read like they are gamebreaking but they always have one of 2 problems (usually both and I’m not talking about how they are slow, plenty of traps see play and they are just as slow as flips are) that stop them from seeing play First problem is obviously, their effects aren’t strong enough compared to other available cards to warrant playing an inherently slower cards, you could play ryko or his retrain or you could play any other mill card which are just as good (usually better) and don’t have the inherent speed problem flips have, and the second problem with flips is the fact they are too resource dependent, to use flip monsters you have to get them face down on the field, this will most likely be done by setting them from your hand and taking your normal or occasionally, by using an effect to set them from somewhere else, the problem is usually setting them from somewhere else is archetypal because konami just forgot how to make non-archetypal cards so if their are even flips in that archetype they aren’t guaranteed to be good so you will really only ever set them from your hand taking your normal, this is bad, this means a lot of non-archetypal flips and even some archetypal flips compete with better openers in that archetype or the few non-archetypal staple monsters that still exist and you actually play because you can use them as monsters like Aleister or something, also because you set them and didn’t summon them, you need to either wait for your opponent to do something that flips them up during their turn, which is completely out of your control and at this point in yugioh, it is far more likely for your opponent to remove them with something that doesn’t flip them, like for example, almost every piece of removal that has been released in the past 10 years or they might just ignore it completely and do their full combo which likely result in your flip monster being walked over, it’s effect activating and because flips are underpowered, not saving you from your opponents full board of monsters about to kill you, if you somehow get to turn 2 and your opponent hasn’t removed your flip monster or put up negates and/or floodgates that stop your flips from activating, then congratulations, you can flip face up your monster and activate it’s effect which again, likely won’t save you from the fact that your opponent probably spent that one turn you have them comboing off Really the main problem with flips is that flips as a mechanic are archaic to say the least, they are inherently slower that other effects unless you mitigate that by filling your decks with cards that can flip them up faster and more consistently which takes up space you could have used on more combo pieces making your deck more consistent, engines to let your deck do things it couldn’t normally or staples that cover your deck’s weaknesses but instead your wasting 3 spots on book of taiyuo to activate one cards effects that you will probably also need to have 3 copies of, that’s 6 slots you could have spent on ash, nibiru, dpe, more copies of essential combo pieces and pretty much anything else that will impact the game faster than flips will and most of the time, have just as good and more often than not better effects than the flip monsters you choose to include, they are a remnant of the (relatively speaking) slow, resource and control focused game that Yu-Gi-Oh used to be where you could get way with playing a card that won’t help you until your next turn, they are like traps in a way but at least you can set as many traps as you want and at least you have control over when they activate during your opponent’s turn, flips take every downside of traps ( can’t be used immediately and your opponent usually knows it’s a trap if you bothered setting something) and every downside of monsters (usually do nothing on your opponents turn, can be walked over fairly easily by other monsters and monster removal is the most common type of removal in the game, only one per turn outside of effects) and jam them into one card and usually it’s effects wouldn’t even be good enough to see play if it was just a trap or just a monster

I remember in the early days of Yu-Gi-Oh, my friends and I did not have the official rule book and for a good while, we thought that "Flip" meant that you had to flip a coin and call it correctly to resolve the effects. Good times. Lol.

I only ever use two of them in my deck and they're insects, I have to rely on regular Man-Eater Bug until I can get the better retrain and maybe even Galactic Kuriboh if it's any better than Rainbow Kuriboh.

Triple gravekeepers spy and guard was a staple in blackwing decks. Since it gave you a free lvl 4 monster for a syncro summon.

With flip monsters having such a legacy, it is strange that there are so few cards with once per flip restrictions. You should do a video about those!

If I were to make a card to give Flip Monsters of all sorts an edge for the foreseeable future: _Flipping The (Winged-Beast)_ Counter Trap _Once per duel, If your opponent would remove any number of monsters you control from the field (by battle or card effect), You can instead Tribute any number of monsters from your hand or field, then normal or special summon facedown any number of Flip-Monsters from your hand or deck who’s combined ATK/DEF is equal or less then the combined ATK/DEF of the tributed monsters. If this set card is activated, you can also tribute any number of spell/trap cards from your hand or field: Set facedown an equal number of normal or continuous spell/trap cards from your hand or deck onto your field._

Here’s my idea for Flip Monster support Inverse Arena Field Spell When this card is activated: You can Special Summon 1 Flip monster from your hand or Deck in face-down defense position. (This monster cannot be flipped face-up this turn.) During either player’s turn: you can Set 1 monster immediately after this effect resolves. You can only use each effect of “Inverse Arena” once per turn.

remember the art of charmers and played it in master duels. was introduce to subterror and learning it. its a fun flip mechanic, still get crushed by fast decks though haha

As to the actual topic of the video, as a "Yugi boomer" that recently returned to the game thanks to Master Duel, it's sad to see how Flip monsters have fallen out of relevancy, even if I understand why. As an aside, I dread Pendulums might be on route to suffer the same fate, given the paltry support they have gotten from Konami recently, not to mention their inherent mechanic making it difficult to splash non-engine cards. They are my favorite of the summoning mechanics introduced after the Synchro era.

they could make a rule change that face down monsters get flipped when they are being destroyed or banished by effect, unless the effect tells you they are being destroyed face down. that way it would be hard to get rid if flip monsters without triggering its effect.

I'm still trying to make a Shaddoll deck - cheers for the inspiration!

I'd like to see history of the meta part 2

I think an aspect missed regarding FLIP monsters in old YGO was the mentality surrounding a face-down monster. It's the exact opposite of today's game: seeing your opponent set and pass used to be *terrifying* instead of being viewed as a free win. That face-down could be anything and while attacking it would be the best option most of the time, that wasn't always the case. Not attacking and forcing your opponent to flip it themselves left them with, usually, a low ATK monster you can run over for some damage next turn (if it wasn't tributed). The 1400 ATK attribute searchers were EVERYWHERE and unknowingly destroying one in battle gave your opponent a free search; better to wait until you build more field presence so you can destroy multiple Giant Rats and the monster they wanted to end on.

an entire video about flip monsters and you never mentioned pacman, pure advantage camel needs to be respected

Part of me wished he talked a bit about Tindangles. Them trying to make a flip based deck during the link era was so weird and cool. Also they are such an interesting combo of famous ancient Mathematician and Christianity. Tindangles deserved better

Flip monsters just need a generic searcher or a cool field spell that makes set monsters non-destroyable or something. I know that won't save them, but it would be neat.

Man Eater Bug was the goat and bane of the schoolyard

Wasn't sure where I could comment this at but since this is a flip effect video I thought here might be the best. But can you make a video explaining the card Tsukuyomi? This card has a wide range of applications and can even be used to create one sided effects. For example if you use Tsukuyomi you can flip cards like Spell Canceller face down on your turn (to use spells) and then back up at the end of your turn (to shut spells back down) Also I think Tsukuyomi can allow some cards to use their effects more than once per turn for example Black Luster Solider Envoy of the Beginning. If you use BLS's effect once and then use Tsukuyomi to flip BLS down and then flip it back up you can use BLS's effect twice per turn. Another video idea is cards that allow the use of once per turn effects to happen more than once per turn. For example, The Creator and Super Conductor Tyranno. What you do is use Tyrannos effect to send itself to grave and then use the Creator to bring him back only to do it once again.

Love that some of the top comments just argue about semantics of "failed card mechanics".

Maybe a Failed Cards & Mechanics on the Legendary Dragons and Knights? Konami tried to push them with the Dragons of Legend and Legendary Dragon Decks, but the whole "archetype" (such that it is) is basically unplayable unless you get really, REALLY creative.

A solution: An Extreme version of Forbidden memories. Being only able to summon once (both normal, special and playing sorry/trap) in this format means the have is slow interms of turns, meaning they are viable.

And now we are getting mimighoul which actually will be a strong!😁

Happy to hear a shout out to Ninja, but what about the Penguins? The old school power house Penguin Soldier has a whole archetype now that works like a budget Guru, just cuter

Dude just tell me how a mechanic that dominated 7 years a failed mechanic

Love your videos as an old ygo player and your voice as a viewer

Honestly, if you just made some flip cards that specifically target getting removed to flip up, some kind of protection for set cards at the cost of not being usable as special/fusion/synchro/whatever summon materials, or something that lets you set on top of your normal summon with the same restrictions, flip cards would probably become pretty usable. You don't need a lot, just enough to cause people to be paranoid about it. So protection, punishing, or swarming ability basically.

They need to print some Flip Monsters with effects that are busted out the ass, cause the mechanic has a great deck to be played in Prediction Princess.

Shoutout to Magician of Faith + Tsukuyomi for breaking every gba yugioh game they're available in

I like aroma jar, it's fun in aroma decks!

Morph from MtG is this mechanic done better. For starters, they're faster and more reliable than Flip because they ignore timing restrictions due to being a special action. And they're already functional bodies on the field unlike the dormant face-down Flip cards. Sure, some aspects of Morph haven't aged well, but you get more use from Morph faster than from Flip.

Me who sees thumbnail: Dont you dare shit talk mah boy "man eater bug"

The problem with the Flip Monsters is they also lost the ability to bluff Something to do with generic flip monsters would be giving them 2 of 3 possible types of effects The first one is the Flip effect, which should be as strong for taking the time, this should be from all The other 2 types of effects is having only 1 aditional type of effect The second is on summon effect, I would say a smaller for of the Flip effect, a continous effect or even a lingering effect The Third an effect that only triggers if removed from the filed while set by an opponents card effect and make it bothersome to deal with, this is the bluff part Also this third one is a change I would give trap cards, an effect when activated and one when popped

I get how in modern they are not good but thats still not worth calling them a failed mechanic

Umm... I use mimicking man eater bug in all kids a decks.. sure surprises those tear deck's!! 😆😊 It's actually in the regionals right now.. good flip effect lol

Card Idea. Peaceful turn. Effect: add one "One day of peace" or one flip effect monster from your deck to your hand. Be good generic support if nothing else.

As a Shaddoll enjoyer, I hate that Flip effects got power crept. Playing with the archetype's various Flip effects is so much more fun than "summon Winda pass".

You forgot about the most powerful flip archetype, princess prediction can ss any flip monster during ep and with the latest new ritual card and the lvl 9 giving protection

If you want improve Flip monsters, I think you need to make them work more like Trap Monsters. Either give them more effects like Deus X-Krawler, that let the cards flip themselves, or maybe make some that work like Artifacts, and have them be set as traps you can activate.

I would love to see a video by you on Battle Traps one day!