FLIPPING a swish/china cymbal?! (Experimental modification)

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Timecode:
0:00 - 22" Sabian Cresent China 2125g
1:20 - How it sounds
2:00 - Flipping the flange
2:36 - How it sounds flipped
3:25 - The sound and my additional modifications
7:41 - The finished mod: 2071g
9:40 - Playing each version back-to-back

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@markitux 2 ай бұрын

interesting! second "version" of the cymbal is killer. I loved it

@arheru 2 ай бұрын

Wooow! That's a great sound you got after flipping the flange!

@boobtubenoob7061 Ай бұрын

Yeah he can flip my flange any day.

@edwardkaminsky8142 2 ай бұрын

Labor of love. Genuine gift you possess. Finished cymbal with the copper rivets was not only eye appealing, but the change in sound was refreshing. I heard a ride, a crash, and a china. Lord, protect this man's hands and abilities. 🙏 Amen.

@ReverieDrumCo 2 ай бұрын

Thank you! I try to take great care of my hands cause this work is extremely hard on the joints.

@dreadedscarpia2066 2 ай бұрын

That may be the most amazing China cymbal I have ever heard in 50+ years of playing! Kudos.

@ReverieDrumCo 2 ай бұрын

wow thanks!

@ruffryder13 2 ай бұрын

The birds in the background are a nice touch. I wonder what they think of the cymbal sounds coming from your place Really interesting video too :)

@ReverieDrumCo 2 ай бұрын

Oh I’m sure they’re sick of the noise by now. Haha

@BretCahill 2 ай бұрын

After you flipped that flange, the crash sounded beautiful

@themitchellama 2 ай бұрын

Master Craftsman here guys. Really dig your instruments. Be seeing you soon

@Pure_KodiakWILD_Power 2 ай бұрын

Of course, flipping the flange is something I've considered mechanically, in my years....but the idea of flipping the flange to intentionally change a china into a dirty crash effect 🤯🤯🤯 Intriguing idea....

@regentsaquariums5692 2 ай бұрын

Hammertone China 22 was probably the most time spent in workmanship over the Sabian, Canada factory. Was said that it was the hardest cymbal to make by their cymbal smith.

@ReverieDrumCo 2 ай бұрын

You’re right! Jeff is very particular about his cymbals being taller which makes them harder to make.

@charlesparenteau9256 2 ай бұрын

The sound from a china cymbal I am looking for! I am very happy happy for the customer you mod it for ❤

@joc8 2 ай бұрын

As always, great work Timothy. Loved the flange flipping.

@Richard6767 2 ай бұрын

Very complex and truly likeable sound! I like it without rivets even better. Amazing job👍🏻

@woody4269 Ай бұрын

That's a flippin' awesome outcome. Sounds amazing. 🤙

@jasonshort1437 2 ай бұрын

Wow, what a transformation. That's an inspiring sound.

@josephcollura1220 2 ай бұрын

Once again Tim, a fantastic job! Love it!

@ReverieDrumCo 2 ай бұрын

Thanks!

@erictorres4889 2 ай бұрын

It sounds like a gong cymbal

@OlmanPiedra 2 ай бұрын

Awesome work man

@denizakkaya4497 2 ай бұрын

Before you do the last mod, it sounds like Paiste’s master swish 22 to my ears. Good job!

@richardkemp5550 2 ай бұрын

I'd say that what you've done is turn a china into a pang. I have a Paiste masters swish that has a flat flange and is, in my opinion , misnamed. I also have a paiste 602 22inch china, same B20, but a totally different beast because of its upturned flange. I once had a very rare Zildjian 22 inch pang, brilliant finish Some bastard nicked it. Man, that was a cymbal. As you'll have gathered, I'm something of a fan of this kind of cymbal. I love their challenge and their potential for chaos. Love your cymbals too, though. Ying and yang.

@ReverieDrumCo 2 ай бұрын

Love this way of describing it.

@raymondkarlsson9794 2 ай бұрын

Wow! Great job. Hope it doesn’t flip back during a ballad 😆

@ReverieDrumCo 2 ай бұрын

Hahah that would be no bueno!

@abelhgarciajr5622 2 ай бұрын

Great work

@DRUMXRZ 2 ай бұрын

Very cool mod !!

@chrisanderson2368 2 ай бұрын

Gorgeous

@robertreedy414 2 ай бұрын

Mastery,Sir

@frednovaes5888 2 ай бұрын

You just fixed the cymbal !!!

@krusher74 2 ай бұрын

I dont know if its because i'm a non band home player playing funk/rock/pop but I have always loved smaller cymbals, I like to hit a cymbal It make it's sound and then get out of the way, a 22" china is my worst nightmare. I feel once it's hit I need to leave the room have a cup of tea and come back when its shut up! I don't like this cymbal before or after I have no idea how I would use/play it. I have a a 9" trash splash, two 12" and one 14" china and love there staccato sounds. I'd like to hear the owner play it in context, and still very much enjoyed the video.

@rachelwindsor850 2 ай бұрын

Bro just un-china'd his china.

@joshuajuaire8757 2 ай бұрын

Yeah, Swish cymbals are my favorite

@do8671 2 ай бұрын

Woh! Thats interesting!

@mateostenberg 2 ай бұрын

FINALLY someone did it.

@Sundaydrumday 2 ай бұрын

I love what u do , I always get a kick out of the transformation, do u have a rock/country/pop line of cymbals that u make yourself? Would be interested in seeing and listening to those. If you have made a video on some you think might match this description let me know I will check it out.

@ReverieDrumCo 2 ай бұрын

Yes! I definitely do. I post more of my medium thin jazz/acoustic music cymbals mainly because they are harder to make sound great. I LOVE a well made medium/medium heavy set of cymbals. I’ll definitely be posting content focused on those sounds soon!

@ZachBratland 2 ай бұрын

🤯🔥

@jean-lucemanuele7095 2 ай бұрын

I'm not that fan of the rivet thing, they add less than they trashy the overall sound cutting SPL and decay, but above all I would have kept the re flattened cymbal by perhaps limiting a little and without rivets the long decay and the harshness of the sound. Your first step sounded the best to me and offers a very distinctive, powerful and creative "kinda China" cymbal. You're doing a tough job made of choices with no way back. Kudos in any case, I love even more cymbals thanks to your in-depth expertise.

@ReverieDrumCo 2 ай бұрын

Thank you!

@premier62 2 ай бұрын

Kaboom 💥

@kkupsky6321 2 ай бұрын

Novo China hahaha. I can’t wait to hear it.

@ReverieDrumCo 2 ай бұрын

Haha nice!

@jonathandale-cy5hw 2 ай бұрын

Bless You! Since I don’t have a Cymbal endorsement,I have to pay a fortune for cymbals. I have been able to get a “read” on a cymbal by its gram weight,(lighter gram weight,generally deeper in accordance with its circumference ),but even sites that have the exact cymbal that you will purchase (plus it’s gram weight) on demo,it still sounds different with my cymbals & room of course. I purchased brass rivets,steel rivets,and apply them to cymbal as needed,but I’m still working in the dark,if you will. I’ve never taken any classes on cymbal making,or maintenance; I’ve learned by trial and error. I’ve experimented on cheaper cymbals before i touch one of my coveted/cherished K’s, Constantinoples,or Istanbul Mehmets, but that is the reality of my situation. Were you,or are you,an apprentice to a cymbal maker,or did you learn it the way I did - by stumbling along this path?? Do you teach folks how to do this (in person) ,or,just on this channel podcast? Love how this cymbal sounds now,btw! Great inversion!! Where did you buy that tool that shaves off cymbal mass /weight,and what is its name!??!! Thanks for your time!!🙏🎶🥁

@ReverieDrumCo 2 ай бұрын

I taught myself for the most part, but I also studied with Dave Collingwood (UK based cymbalsmith). The tools all have to be made. I’ve modified/made most of my hammers, anvils, and lathes (the thing that cuts the surface). It’s crazy labor intensive.

@drumngolf 2 ай бұрын

Really interesting work. If you’re moving a band, the original sound would cut through more whereas the final version may get lost. Still, I really enjoy your work. I look forward to more videos. Thank you.

@ReverieDrumCo 2 ай бұрын

You’re 100% right!

@lexystray 2 ай бұрын

the second version was awesome. It was like a china with ping characteristic's and then would become a gong it pushed hard. I would have stayed with it just being flipped .(The second version)

@ReverieDrumCo 2 ай бұрын

Yeah I dug it too. It’ll get closer to that version after it has a few months to settle. The drummer needed it to function well in a band context which is why the extra hammering to tighten it up and raise the pitch was necessary. Based off of these demos, I’d agree with about the second version being my favorite.

@GlauciioSantos 2 ай бұрын

Veri good

@will9523 2 ай бұрын

well shoot, now I'm going to make a rudimentary lathe and start ruining all my cymbals.

@ReverieDrumCo 2 ай бұрын

haha yeah it'll hook you!

@vrtlmage 2 ай бұрын

turned it into a thin ride jazz would sound so good on it

@djyeah-nah9781 2 ай бұрын

Wow! Gets quite Kerope like with that profile.

@ReverieDrumCo 2 ай бұрын

yeah right?!

@user-zl8et5io8f 2 ай бұрын

this reminds me of a crash of doom. You should check some of those out if you haven't, I have a pretty bad 20" one (it's pretty heavy and doesn't crash very well despite the name), but Eric Harland and Dennis Chambers have some killer ones.

@ReverieDrumCo 2 ай бұрын

Yeah those are killer! Eric’s and Dennis’ are certainly really thin ones. Artists always get the best of the bunch.

@shawnphase 2 ай бұрын

would you consider working on a sabian b8 plus to do something similar? it doesnt have a drastic flange like this. i have a sabian prototype 20" with a lot of cracks in it that i sanded out, i replaced it with that. its trashy, but i have to hold back when i hit it, i use 2 chinas instead of crashes. looking to mellow it out a bit. if i sent both in to you, maybe you could use the prototype as a frame of reference to get it close to. could be quite an undertaking, but i dig what you do with cymbals.

@ReverieDrumCo 2 ай бұрын

Unfortunately, B8 is a different animal. While there are guys that mod those and can make them sound nominally better, I've chosen to stay away from them because they don't produce results that justify the effort (to me at least). I stick mostly with B20 for my mods (and some Paiste B12/B15).

@famitory 2 ай бұрын

what would you do if instead of taming the tremolo/ low frequency warble, you wanted to maximize it and get a sound more like extremley flappy cymbals like the hammerax liquicy series?

@ReverieDrumCo 2 ай бұрын

Yes!!! If that’s what the customer wanted I would’ve loosened the tension even further. The pitch would’ve gone down and it would’ve flapped a lot more.

@Lupine. 2 ай бұрын

I think the rivets were a bit much. But the lathed version sounded great.

@Shakadauh 2 ай бұрын

Tim, what does putting a patina on and then shaving it off to expose the fresh bronze do? Wouldn’t it just be the same as if there was no patina put on at all? I’m confused by that. Thanks!

@ReverieDrumCo 2 ай бұрын

I'm not shaving all of the patina off, just portions of it. It acts like a 1/4 - 1/2 strength patina.

@xanderwebb7998 2 ай бұрын

Have you ever modded an Sabian XSR Monarch? I have one that I’ve been thinking about sending you to work on once I can afford it.

@ReverieDrumCo 2 ай бұрын

I have! Those do great with hammering and lathing. They’re basically big/thin blanks (which is why they sound so dead)

@Diademnever 2 ай бұрын

the upward flaiingee

@ReverieDrumCo 2 ай бұрын

😂

@Joshua2245 2 ай бұрын

Now I want one smh

@marscounty 2 ай бұрын

Nice sounding cymbal. But you just combine the word flange with flame?

@robbledot7290 2 ай бұрын

FLAINGE

@ReverieDrumCo 2 ай бұрын

My wife has indeed confirmed that I say it very weird.

@daver12591 2 ай бұрын

flaaaaynge

@ReverieDrumCo 2 ай бұрын

😂 yeah I deserve that

@ajh21313 Ай бұрын

I have a 19 inch avedis China high… how can I make brighter, seems kinda too low or dull. Any thoughts?

@ReverieDrumCo Ай бұрын

It really depends on many different factors. It's possible it could be too thin for the "brightness" you're looking for.

@BretCahill 2 ай бұрын

Funny cause im actually looking for a crash that sounds similar to how it sounded after you flipped it

@frenziedfortressdrums 2 ай бұрын

Sounds like a great trash crash with the flange flipped. 👍🏼. I worry about stability though

@ReverieDrumCo 2 ай бұрын

The later work I did tightened things up so the stability is fine. The drummer who owns it is a light player too.

@geraldfriend256 2 ай бұрын

I cut a split cymbal way down and it is about 10” now and can flip back and forth like that

@geraldfriend256 2 ай бұрын

Oh and a lot more interesting and usable with flange up in this case… a mini china crash over a below average splash.

@wandimarco1577 Ай бұрын

I prefer the final without rivets

@Jashtvorak 2 ай бұрын

It reminds me of Sabian HHX china

@siloclay6193 2 ай бұрын

The sabian b8 chinas flip their flanges every time they go in the cymbal bag lol. I'm going to do this to one of them. Won't be nearly as beautiful as this work you did. But it will be a nice trashy crash.

@ReverieDrumCo 2 ай бұрын

Yeah that should work!

@biose7en Ай бұрын

What's the role of a china cymbal in a drum kit? In my humble opinion, chinas don't have a melodic sound, they just sound like hitting a broken tin sheet. I can undrstand the role of hihats, crashes and rides but chinas go beyond my comprehension. I love the sound of the cymbal after the flipping of the edge.

@ReverieDrumCo Ай бұрын

They are nice for quick, aggressive accents in big bands and other live environments. They also sound great in recordings. I'm with you though, they are not the nicest to play from behind the kit!

@biose7en Ай бұрын

@@ReverieDrumCo thanks for taking the time to reply. Very kind of you!

@creamyhummus 2 ай бұрын

I've never heard the word "flange" pronounced like that before 💀 Sick mod though

@robbledot7290 2 ай бұрын

FLAINGE

@ReverieDrumCo 2 ай бұрын

I just asked my wife if I say it weird and it has been confirmed… I’ve essentially combined “flame” and “mange” to create my own word haha

@creamyhummus 2 ай бұрын

@@ReverieDrumCo That's so funny 😂 I was wondering if it was just another word us Washingtonians pronounce in a weird way lol

@ReverieDrumCo 2 ай бұрын

@@creamyhummus no, it’s just a word some southern cymbal weirdo never learned how to say properly. Haha

@codysmith43 2 ай бұрын

So a crash of doom

@ReverieDrumCo 2 ай бұрын

Ehhh sort of!

@ichigo56 2 ай бұрын

So why is he not playing the china flipped the other way. I feel like he’s was playing it upside down instead of how it’s played when you see it on metal drummers kits and such.

@ktphotog39 2 ай бұрын

Because it's not a China effects type crash cymbal, it's a swish cymbal made for riding on. That's why it has a traditional bell. That IS the top.

@ReverieDrumCo 2 ай бұрын

This is how jazz drummer play a China/swish that the drummer rides frequently.

@amaurycisneros 2 ай бұрын

Don't want to ruin those beautiful 420 likes, so here's a comment like 👍❤

@ReverieDrumCo 2 ай бұрын

Hahah nice!

@audityaodi5246 2 ай бұрын

This is for sale?

@ReverieDrumCo 2 ай бұрын

No, this was a drummer’s cymbal they sent in for a modification.

@MaxRiley-up7qy 2 ай бұрын

How do I get rust off my cymbals

@ReverieDrumCo 2 ай бұрын

Cymbal bronze doesn’t rust. It oxidizes which can be removed by using brasso, wd-40, and other cleaning solutions.

@MaxRiley-up7qy 2 ай бұрын

It looks like rust and somewhat feels like it but I’ll try it and I used metal polish on them and the brown rust stuff didn’t come off and I’ll try what you suggested

@MaxRiley-up7qy 2 ай бұрын

Yo I tried it and it only took away a little section could you tell me a method or make a video on how to get it off

@ReverieDrumCo 2 ай бұрын

@@MaxRiley-up7qy try barkeepers friend and let it sit on the surface for a while. Then use a cloth to buff it off.

@MaxRiley-up7qy 2 ай бұрын

@user-ub6hd3nd4l 2 ай бұрын

I would do that to my wu-han china, but I'm afraid I'll break it. Ralph Onofrio

@clearestapricotpencil4125 2 ай бұрын

Maybe you could get another one for experimentation, since they're not very expensive. I imagine it would be easier with a pretty big china rather than a small one.

@ReverieDrumCo 2 ай бұрын

Yes, you would almost certainly crack it. Those wuhans are much more brittle and heavily worked.

@alstrange6055 2 ай бұрын

I flipped a Meinl china by smashing the life out of it…it won’t flip back now!!🤔🙂

@ReverieDrumCo 2 ай бұрын

Did it crack or just flip?

@ktphotog39 2 ай бұрын

That's not a China cymbal, it's a swish cymbal. China effects cymbals don't have a raised bell. Also, Hamilton uses a swish cymbal that he frequently rides on, not a China cymbal that's just used for crashes.

@ReverieDrumCo 2 ай бұрын

It can be called either one, just based on the history of the cymbal. Also I’m very aware of Jeff’s playing. He’s been one of my favorites for about 15 yrs now.