*I was pleased with Trilene mono line **enjoyable.fishing** recommend performance (25 lb. test) because it offers smooth casting with no tangles/bird's nest in the spool. And, knots can be tied effectively with ease. I would recommend.*

I find it interesting that the puppy barks and yips when Kelly starts talking about Spin Fishing.... that is some fine puppy training.

This guy is the only person I feel like I can trust on purchasing fly tackle

Give the puppy a hug, for showing admirable restraint. Great talk on Fluorocarbon and monofilament, good grounding for me.

Mr. Kelly Galloup, I bought an 80 dollar Reddington classic trout from my local sportings good store, just because it was marked down to 80 bucks. I kept it for 3 years, not knowing of the joys, it would bring me. Not so much that particular rod, but fly fishing,nothing compares to a 17" smallie on a 6wt. rod tied with a "version" of a fly you tied, thank you good sir. Certainly I will catch more fish on a 2.5" tube, but nothing is more satisfying than a smallmouth on a fly rod, thank you

I know this is a few years old but I just found it and the information is still current. Thanks Kelly!

Love the puppy effect!!!! lol....great to see ya laugh ol friend!!!

Great video, thanks. First video that I've seen on the topic that is not biased and put in black and white terms. Explanations made a lot of sense. Gotta love that puppy.

Awesome content as usual, Kelly! Thanks for the helpful information!

Great video , always wondered about the differences . Thanks for posting .

I use both and I had my doubts. Now it is much more clear. Wise advise¡ Thanks¡

Puppies are cool. Very helpful video with lots of things to think about.

Nice vid Kelly. I'll be at your shop in June to get stocked up on flys for the week.

Love the puppy! Happy Puppy Day.

great video, like your puppy.Bell.

I've found Kelly's videos about a month ago and I've watched them all multiple times. I will take advice from Kelly over anybody, great information

I just learned more about lines and choices than I have in 45 yrs of fishing.

Thanks Kelly - very informative video. You and the puppy are both delightfully real. Perhaps I should know better than to comment in such a knowledgeable crowd. But last time I checked it's ok as long as I say IMHO. I've fished both mono and flouro for many years in many different situations. Based partly on my experience and partly on the chatter I hear, I believe: The reason that flouro sinks quicker than mono is the greater density of the material, diameter for diameter. Getting something to float because it doesn't break surface tension is the big deal. Mono is just enough lighter that it is less likely to break the surface tension and sink. Yes, once they are both underwater, flouro's sink rate is probably a bit better than mono but not a big enough deal for me to get excited. I believe that new flouro is less visible because its refractive index is closer to water than new mono. Once it has strecthed just a bit because I've caught a few fish or snagged a few times, the flouro loses a significant amount of its transparency advantage. I'm pretty sure flouro has no advantage in how fast it gets dirty and that's a big factor in tippet visibility. When I chose my tippet for challenging situations I'm quite ready to ignore the cost difference between flouro and mono. Whatever it costs, to take a deep breath and tie on a new tippet. Few of us get so many chances at big, tough fish that we can base our tippet decision on whether a few feet of one kind cost $0.50 more than the other. The time and money to get to the fishing is always, for me, far more than the price difference in tippet. I find that the current flavors of flouro knot satisfactorily compared to mono. I am an obsessive knot tester. When I tie the tippet on, when I tie the fly on and if there has been any strain on the tippet (snagged on anything - fish, heavy weeds, bottom). It's been a very long time since I got a line back missing the fly and with a curly end. My break offs are normally in the knot. I already said it IMHO, IMHO, IMHO!!!!!

These are a great series of videos, thanks Kelly. Fluorocarbon has a refractory index that is close to water, but it is hardly invisible under the surface to fish. The fluorcarbon has a density that is nearly twice that of water, from 1.6 g/mL -1.8 g/mL depending on the manufacturer, this is important for "sinking" purposes or it's popularity with nymphing, however the better reason for having a higher density is simple physical properties. Because of its greater linear density than mono, it will transmit energy better and this means a more sensitive line to the angler, better hook sets etc.

I really like your videos, and I subscribe to your channel. The biggest issue for me regarding line material is biodegradability. I am under the impression that mono breaks down and fluoro doesn't really. So I throw out my mono spools after every season and check dates on the new packages. It only took one early spring where I lost a fish on the first day to teach me that lesson. I took out the spool and pulled on it, and the tippet came apart like 2 pound line. Also, I don't feel so bad if a fish ends up with my fly and tippet with mono, because it should break down over the season. And I make sure to keep mono out of the sun.

Ha ha. Adam on the Pine here.You sold me a drift boat (hyde) in Michigan. Friends with the Bonneys!Tight lines!

hello kelly. I want to add that when fishing deep stillwater with slip indicators (25+feet) we use pure florocarbon (i use 12lb) simple because it helps the rig to hang in tension over mono. since we are using 20 foot chunks, i dont use the premuim tippet material like trout hunter, instead i use a spool of Seagur from a gear fishing selection, besides the larger diameter on the spin fishing floro helps the bobber grip better.

I may be wrong , but I use mono when fishing dries and fluorocarbon when nymphing . The main reason for me was because I was fishing the San Juan and started with tiny tiny nymphs the fish started hitting dries , again very very tiny bugs …. 22, 24 , 26 . The dries would stay on top for a short period and made fishing a bit harder . Switching my leader to mono made all the difference . Again that’s just me .

Give credit where it is deserved. This and the comment connection keep me mindful of these great videos.

Haaahaaa....! Nice puppy.... :-) Your'e doing great. I'm now a member of your channel :-)

Love the dog, keep it around

Maybe the best summary comparison of the tippet materials ever. The puppy is a bonus. Coke?!

JD, I actually do that with my dry flies. I add 12 to 16 inches of Fluoro to the mono leader, this get the tippet under water and making a depression on the surface which is what the fish is put off by. Have to be careful on the really small stuff not to sink your fly but you figure that out pretty quick. As for the overall use I use it for my nymphing strictly for strength not for the visual reduction

Great video, No BS. So good for people getting into it and everyone telling u something different! I feel like i can trust Kelly cause he seems always about 1 second away from losing his cool and calling everyone else a know nothing f*** wit, with all the reasons why to back it up!

Takeaway: FC has "rarified" situations of value. As usual Kelly is cutting through the marketing. Love the lunchbox approach. Save your money.

Pup under the desk sounded like he was about to go after your man bait..Great vid..

Hi Kelly, I'll testify to the puppy / date factor 100%, but what about the stretch factor of both lines? I realize it's dependent on application, especially in longer lengths like in spin fishing, but something like lake fishing very deep with very long leaders? Or am I "barking" up the wrong tree 🌲🐕 ? Thanks, you gave a lot of useful common sense advice.

The other application that I prefer for mono is for real small flies requiring 6x & 7x. I think mono is more supple and it lets the flies move more naturally both for nymphs and dries

How do I know the manufacture date on Rio's tippets and leaders?

On sinking I think flouro tends to break through the waters surface tension versus the mono I think gets stuck in the tension a bit. Both are the same sink once they slip through the meniscus. Think emergergents the mono sticks in that layer more than the flouro.

The puppy effect is fine!

What is your opinion on a mono vs fluoro leader? Is it really worth the extra $ to use a fluoro leader or just tie on fluoro tippet to the standard mono leader when needed?

I like the puppy's comments

Great info Kelly! I like the point about dries needing a short section of submerged line. Oliver Edwards preaches the same thing but he goes so far as to degrease his tippet with dish soap/diatomaceous earth mix after applying floatant to the fly. This makes sure that the tippet will not sit on the surface. All good points and keep the puppy on the show! Although probably not so puppy anymore...

Great video bud as always. Just curious as to why anyone would use mono at all for their leader or tippet given that it retains so much memory/coil spring. I use a 3 or 2 Line Fluro system from 15lb to 8lb down to 4lb for a nice straight leader & tippet. The short 15lb butt section of my leader has a decent diameter for my loop to loop connection so cuts down on abrasion to the fly line so quickly and the 4lb is great for both dries (with a little floatant) and/or nymphs and buzzers, the 8lb and 4lb lengths vary in length depending on what fly I’m fishing and time of year. Only time I’ve ever used mono (18lb) is when tying 8” by way of a nail knot to the fly line followed by a perfection loop for my Fluro leader.

Hey, on your drop shot nymph rig I’ve heard you say that the section after the 12lb gold stren was 3x fluoro. I wanted to know if the rest of it, including the droppers, is all fluoro too.

Re: Wet Fly Drift Fishing It's not only that a heavy gauge wire hook, that the Davy Wotton's etc will explore in wet fly patterns and techniques - gets the wet fly down. Really, you can use these wet flies with heavier gauge wire in dead calm water too, over 'deep' holding pockets (where trout lying several feet below and not actively feeding, can be coaxed to respond to something far over their head). We run into that situation often with migratory species, that are 'shy' in the new freshwater environment in which they find themselves in, in sun lighted hours of the clock. The heavy gauge wire of the wet fly, turns a fly pattern, that can be fished on a lighter gauge wire hook, with more 'action' to it (sort of like the streamer that has an action). And what one can do, with the heavier gauge wire, is kill that action altogether, and that is what tends to provide the 'trigger' in the situation that I described. I don't know why that is, it just is.

Interesting theme, have you ever realy compared the visibility under water by yourself? i did, in an glass of water and on the river. on the same diameter, i can´t see a significant difference (stroft) not for the sinking ability, just the visibility under water...

Kelly....can you please explain the differences between all the hooks out there. 1X...2X etc. and which ones do what and why? Thanks Don Rooney

What about fluoro tapered leaders for still water streamer fishing with sink tip line where you want to get down to as deep as 15 ft? They're 5x the price of mono but worth the extra price in this scenario?

Now that Ive accumulated so much stuff I keep both. Maybe it's all in my head (and it probably is) but I like Fluro for the clearer waters, otherwise I use mono a lot. I also find Fluoro to sink better. The price gap isn't that bad, but I don't think its worth going all to floro

Agreed, we fished short length of flouro to dry as described, used mono for sub surface nymphing in lakes as we think it slows the descent and you get takes on the "drop" , first generation flouro was brittle it seemed, many anglers fished a short section of stretchy shock leader, but that was mainly because rods were tip action (still are in a lot of cases) so a hook set with a poker would often snap the flouro, and, WF lines in my opinion added to the weight on the hook set, I fished bendy rods and DT lines and never had too many problems, I think todays flouros are much better??. Another thing we did was put a DT5 on a 7 rated poker rod, you looked a bit of a plank when working the line out at first, but then you once you weighted the the rod, you could get nearly 2 thirds of a DT 5 in the air and out on to the water. So did that catch more fish?-nope-but it put down all the fish in range of the double haulers to your left and right. When they moved on, we made a brew of tea,(I'm a limey), let the lake settle, and went back to fishing at 10-20' out. I do use flouro now-Trouthunter, because I euro nymph, but when you are chucking 3 weighted nymphs, your wine bottle cork is gonna sink LOL.

Excellent informative video. I do have a question: Did Miguel come in to this country LEGALY? Was he born here? LOL

@ 2:25 "It doesn't knot as well..." And that was my experience, therefore I went back to monofilament. Too many knots unhinged.

would you mind providing more specifics on your leader build? i heard 20 lb butt section then after that it wasn't clear to me. thank you.

I have to disagree with you on the nymphing aspect, as least if not using split shot. I started czech nymphing with mono and later switched to fluoro; the difference in how quickly the fly got down was very noticeable in my experience. I'm fishing shorter drifts on small spring creeks, which might play a factor, but fluoro definitely helped me start catching more fish using the same flies.

Got that 12 lb. on my line but should work better 8 wgt. on 7 wgt. 10 ft. rod. Thanx for sharing valuable advice. Should send pic of my Bear Dog (no longer have him) proud prancing around the kitchen as a pup with a steak bone sideways in his mouth long as he was....lol what hams they are.

Euro nymphing. The conventional wisdom says that flouro cuts the water a bit better, and doesn't absorb or drift as much. Is that true?

fly fishing, is thinking!

Often when I try to use 7x tippet, I tie to a size 20 fly using a clinch not and tightened, the line breaks at the eye. What am I doing wrong?

I do think that mono is more forgiving and has more stretch.

I fish for trout in Montana and Wyoming and fish saltwater in Florida in the Bahamas. After trying fluorocarbon for several applications I have no use for it. It is brittle, harder to use, and my visibility experiments in crystal clear Bahamian waters where I could see the fish below revealed absolutely no advantage to fluorocarbon. Frankly, I don’t understand why people think fish are smart enough to detect a mono line and reason that it might be tied to what they are about to eat, but remain oblivious or unconcerned about a hook protruding from it.

Isn't fluorocarbon a monofilament too? monofilament = a single strand of man-made fibre

Hey I got guru pulse “mono” line they said it sinks can I use it as a tippet

IT'S A LONG WAY AROUND THE BARN!!!

I found a lot of Orvis Mono and Fluorocarbon line easily breakable and dried out. Anyone else have this problem? You never know how long the line has been on the shelf in the store. They should have born on dates like beer.

Love the straight shooing reviews.

You can have your pups in you videos all that you want. Their “playing” doesn’t hinder the audio content in the least little bit to me.

Fluorocarbon line is also a monofilament!

what does ox mean

At 11 minuted into the video, from the sounds that pup is making.....Kelly, you should go see how much money "Bell" is chewing up in product! Likely a cork handle of a Sage, Loomis, Scott or Winston rod.

With the fluoro carbon, sometimes you can say in touch with a fly better, that's working the depths. Especially, where's there a lot of flow and current, and that 'signal' that you're receiving back in the finger tips from the line, of the rapid current flow, needs to get filtered out from the other signal. That one, that might be possible to detect, that tells you there's a fish interested, and a tightening might be appropriate. With the fluorocarbon, when you tighten those few initial inches, you might be in contact or not, and so if not, release the line again and allow it to continue. The fluoro carbon is a 'dead' line in that respect, and that dead-ness of it as a line can be used to advantage in one situation, as part of the overall leader construction.

You didn't talk at all about stretch. Mono stretches, fluoro doesn't.

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Both flouro and nylon are monofiliment. Kelly's saying "mono" but he means "nylon".

Fluorocarbon is able to break the surface tension of water

3X fluorocarbon is not 4/10ths stronger, but 4/10ths of a pound stronger than 3X nylon....not a big difference in my opinion.

Respectfully, fluorocarbon being slightly stronger is a marketing farce. I have tested both, on both tension strength and abrasion strength and mono every single time has won.

I want the elasticity that mono gives me when a big fish punches the fly............. 0.4% increased strength, really. By time knot strength is factored in its probably less than that.

well... if you are in your twenties and heavily tatted ...buying $200 swim baits on $700 rigs... you simply MUST be into "fluoro" it's a must.

Diet Coke Kelly?

wow, I can't even finish watching this....

Don't let your brain make you pay for stuff ,you do not need . mono works great don't over think it is not brain surgery

3x as much money. Lol. yeah if you're​ a chump who buys the tippet spools from fly shops. Lots of quality fluoro out there sold as spinning/casting line. Same stuff? I dunno, but it works well.

gotta dump that diet coke buddy

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they are two different lines ! you can't even compare them in the same breath ! one is for one application and the other for another . one sinks and one doesn't ! it's not some great epiphany !

Kelly that’s why I carry both. Simple