My 2013 f150 ecoboost had this shutter. After watching this video I contacted my local transmission shop and told him my symptoms and I said I think I need a torque converter. Long story short they drove it and ended up just changing my transmission fluid and filter. I have around 160k and had never changed it. It immediately fixed the problem. The shop says that about 90% of the time this has fixed the shutter problem. Shout out to Powertrain Specialties in Gonzales Louisiana for being so honest and not selling me a huge job that was unnecessary.

Wish there were more Honest Mechanics like yourself out here !! It’s so hard to find a great mechanic that’s not trying to take you for all you’re worth. 🤦🏼‍♂️

Great information, answered all my questions. Thank you for being honest and STILL working for a dealership!

Spot on, thanks for sharing. Appreciate the honesty, it’s in short supply these days.

Cheers dude.. that was a great video.. Had my truck at Ford today for a diagnosis.. they couldnt figure it out, but you nailed exactly my symptoms . Thx!

Man, thanks that’s exactly what was wrong with my transmission at 140,000 miles they started getting the road strip vibration I really took care of my transmission. I don’t feel bad anymore now that I know it’s a common problem. Thanks bro!!

Hey man, just wanted to thank you for your honesty. I am dropping my truck off today to have this work done at 117k miles. Im under warranty until 125k. 2015 F150. Bottom line is, you sir are a good man. I thank you for your honesty and willingness to not scam folks. Good honest mechanics are extremely hard to find brother. Keep it up.

Definitely the video I needed! Thank you for the honest and well explained video. Totally nailed the noise. I’ve been saying it feels like rumble strip vibrations lol 😂. My 2015 F-150 has 85000 miles. Off to the shop 🤦‍♂️

You perfectly explained my situation. Thank you for your information.. Basically everything I needed to know in 11 minutes

Finally someone who can give me an explanation to what I was feeling on my truck. Super helpful and informative man! Subscribed!! Couldn’t find anything anywhere! Thank you for this, and keep up the good work!

I suspected it was the torque converter. You confirmed that. Thanks for your help.

Literally yes. You nailed it. I dealt with it for like 1 year until I figured out what was happening. Crazy

Man this makes me wish ford would come back with e40d or make the torque converter serviceable, I'm glad you described the truck bounce perfectly.

Excellent video. Your description of the rumble strips is exactly what I told the dealer. I am replacing the torque converter in my 2016 F150 with the 5.0 V8 today. Little more than the cost you stated but I trust the dealership. Thank you, this is great. I hope to drive this truck at least 10 years total.

You hit the good points in these videos. I dig the channel thanks 🤘

thank you for this video.This was exactly what my truck was doing. i had to rebuild the torque converter and some of the transmission at 120k it started at 118k miles on my 2015 f150.

Have this in a '17 f150. Best way I can describe it. It's like having 2 12" subs in the backseat hit bass. It's short and intermittent.

Awesome video my guy your videos have improved greatly over time keep up the awesome job

Useful info thanks mine still has warranty so hopefully it covers

Very honest and to the point.

Thank you for the information, I think you just saved me about $6000

Thumbs up man. Been having this issue for a couple weeks and thought it was my spark plugs again! Just fyi my truck had 160k when this started

Lubegard Shudder stop in 130,000 mile old fluid stopped my '15 2.7 F150 shudder for 10,000 miles. At 140,000 miles the shudder came back. Drained the fluid (brown), changed the filter (pan and magnets were very clean), and filled it with Valvoline Maxlife. Driving fine again, and I think the 5-4 downshift is better than it was. If shudder comes back soon, I'm going to try additives, probably a lubegard product, along with a 3 gallon flush through a cooler line.

Thank You for the video, just had these symptoms at 134k. Getting Filter and fluid changed tomorrow and hoping for the best.

Thank you. Let me start saving

Another thing that should help is doing a transmission service at 30 000 and 60 000 miles so that way you help get alot of the small metal filings from the transmission breaking in out of there. If they're allowed to acumulate too much. They'll actually start shorting out your shift solenoids intermittently. Thats another potential issue with these transmissions if you don't do those first 2 services. It wouldn't surprise me if it screws up your torque converter too. Just on a side note thats something else I've learned about these particular transmissions.

Thank you very much for this video. God bless..

instant shudder fix fixed mine for over a year, added another tube of it and no mure shudder for over another year now.

You are awesome. Videos are great. Thank you.

excellent information helped me out a lot

Got a new subscriber here. The rumble strip description fits perfect. I've been trying to figure it out on my 15' expedition it just started at 157k. I keep throttling around trying to figure out if it's the turbos i just replaced or what but it makes sense since its only when its still in lockup on feather light throttling mainly going up hills. It's worse with cruise on so on the big hills I make it downshift thanks for your video I'll be sure to check out some others. One of my next ventures is replacing the vacuum pump.

Your videos are awesome, and really helpful for even me as a machanic my self , but I will say we have fixed multiple 6r80 converter shutters over the years with servicing the transmission with Chrysler fluid, its slicker and seems to do the trick and we haven't had any come back with it back to shuddering, we also like to use an anti shudder additive for extra protection, this has also worked for many other models, with the exptoin of wetal or clutch lining in the fluid or pan.

Awesome awesome! Thank you

my 2016 F160 is at the dealer right now having this replaced. the way you described the issue (rumble strip) is exactly what's been happening. you nailed the symptoms. Cost of job (GULP), just over $2,500. happened at 105,000 miles.

Had a few that have came in for these exact concerns, seems to happen more after the leadframe replacement. The last 3 I’ve done have came after another shop All shuttering, becoming so much more common in all ford vehicles.

Mason, Glad I found your channel. I have a 15 transit 350 with 3.7. 6r80. I have been having this vibration sound for a long time, I would describe it like a low bass sound, from big sound system. It comes and goes at any speed above prob 40mph. It will sometimes happen every few seconds and it last for a second or 2. We now have 135k and it started 50k or so ago. I have taken it to several shops and they all say it’s tires or shocks or something and never fixed the problem. Last week I was headed up in elevation on a road trip, no trailer. And I was noticing the rpm would bounce +\- 200, when the sound happens. Then, the sound went away. Approx 50miles later I noticed fluid getting on my rear Windows. I kept driving and made it the next 100 miles to our destination. During the last 100 miles, it didn’t ever shift down when pulling hills, it stayed in 6. Even if I manually tried selecting another gear, it wouldn’t allow me to change. After getting into town, I shut it off and when restarted tried, it shifts hard to reverse and drive. It operated fine in R. But feels like I’m still starting in a higher gear. We trailered it back to our town. Where I now have it and am ready to work on it. What are your thoughts? I purchased: lead frame, case of fluid, filter, and it was all here by the time we got home. Now I’m thinking torque converter too. Or am I too far into it and should just bite bullet and order a trans? Where would the fluid have come from? It looks wet on bottom of bell housing…

Thanks for making this video, and it made me certain that thats what going on in my moms truck. Its a 2017 f150, started around 45,000 and currently had 50,000 miles. The truck isn’t driven hard and she never tows with it

Great information! 👍 you're my boy blue!

Alright, as a fellow ford trans tech, I ALWAYS take a fluid sample first and check for metal debris or excessive clutch material. If there’s an indication of possible debris, I quote removing the pan to look for ferrous metal or other material debris. With that sample or evidence, I then either continue on with the normal converter replacement and the heated cooler flush machine procedure OR quote a unit due to the warranty they get with it or overhaul if units are on backorder or too far out if there is excessive metal contamination. Only if the person had been driving for a long amount of time with the issue have I seen true metal contamination due the problem compounding on an underlying concern. 6f35s in the Explorer 2.3s - Remember those? Converters would completely infect the entire transmission leading to an instructed replacement of the main control assembly, converter, and complete overhaul to clean out any contaminants and replace any affected parts. Do not for a minute believe every transmission in need of a converter is immune to this possibility. Always get a fluid sample, quote dropping the pan to be sure if the fluid is burnt or highly contaminated, and always flush the cooler.

Thanks Brother, I have this problem as we speak also surging, don't know if that's trans or torque converter.

Thanks!

Man, I was really liking this video till you brought up price lol. Just picked up my 15 expedition from a 3rd party shop that obviously wanted to change the whole trans out, as you said. Thinking about doing a drain and fill and seeing how that works out. Thanks for the great info.

Pretty sure this is my problem in my 2016 F150 with 140K miles. I have been chasing a misfire but believe this is it. Hope it is covered under extended warranty.

Seem to have this in my '14 Lincoln Navigator also

I recently purchased online, sight unseen from a very popular dealership a 2012 Ford F-150-XLT 121k miles, 3.7L with 6R80 trans. It finally arrived to my home two weeks after buying it. When I finally got around to taking it out for a first run, I immediately noticed an annoying rumbling and vibration in the seat. It came with passenger car tires so I took it to tire shop for four brand new truck tires. Still rumbles. Then I replaced the two-piece driveshaft assembly with carrier bearing. Still rumbles. I'm thinking now I have a rearend issue with pinion bearing/race or the ring gear. As truck came with an active Ford recall for speed sensor, I made an appointment with Ford dealer and informed them of the constant rumbling/vibration issues especially at highway speed. I have owned this truck almost two months now and haven't even put on the first 100-miles, dropped truck off at Ford dealer. After third day in shop, they called me and informed me the rearend is okay but they have to replace the transmission which is under a 60-month/60,000 mile warranty. I don't know anything more than that but should have truck back with new tranny some time next week. Except for maybe the torque converter, I don't know what else inside the transmission could've caused these symptoms and issues but FMC is taking care of it.

Thanks bro

I have a 2009 F150 with 5.4 and 312K miles on the original motor and transmission. Today it started vibrating (similar to a misfire, but with no check engine light) upon light acceleration at highway speeds (around 70mph/2100 RPM). It sounds like this might be exactly what I'm experiencing. It also tends to happen at the bottom of a slight incline in the road.

Just bought a 2015 f150 xl with the 3.5 v6. Sub'd to the channel.

I bought a 6.2L 11 F150. Has some shudder ONLY when cold, when climbing grades in 5 or 6. Above 180 deg trans temp, I can drive the same mountain roads and no shudder. Shifting is otherwise pretty good. I also noticed some fluid sweating by the rear pan bolts (not the connector gasket). Guess I should be checking the fluid level?

Hi awesome video just found ur channel.I just bought a 01 f150 lariat 5.4 I’m new to ford but when I put it in reverse I hear a like pop and really at any speed when I let of the accelerator there’s a bad vibration till I’m steady bk on the gas.have u ever seen this ?Im new to ford but the truck was single owner it shifts really smooth as well

Thank you so much for this video, it answered a lot of my questions. However, the issue with my 2012 Ford F-150 was hard shifting, speedometer going to zero, and a 720 Engine Code. Transmission place said TC needs to be replaced, along with a transmission overhaul to clean out all the metal debris. Does this sound about right to you? I'm assuming metal debris was getting in-between the lead frame and solenoids causing the error code and thus the hard shifting. Do you agree?

Would you also recommend flushing the transmission cooler?

Ughhhhh, mine started doing this about 2 months ago, didn’t become a huge problem until recently. I’m going to see if I can try the temporary fix, just to see if that is actually the cause, if it is, i’ll see if i can get it done locally.

Why buy a ford converter when we already know they don’t last I would prefer after market great video thanks

This video is incredibly helpful. Our 2015 Ford Transit with 95,000 miles has a really bad torque converter shudder. They Magic City Ford in Lexington quoted us $7,200 to replace the torque converter. Should I get other estimates or should I do it myself. For less than $5000, I can put a two-post lift in my garage, purchase a transmission jack and the torque converter and do the job myself. About how heavy is the 6R80 transmission?

do you recommend the fluid flush on these 6r80s? or is the drain and fill method plenty?

Thank you. Went to a trans shop and they were insisting that I need a trans rebuild

I have a question regarding this issue. I don’t have torque shudder but I was wondering if you have experience using shift kits/drop in valves? I have seen them say they help/reduce torque converter issues. I was thinking of adding one when I change my fluid and filter.

Good video! While I agree most transmissions don’t need to be overhauled, some torque converters fall apart and spread fine metal throughout the trans. At a minimum it should be recommended to disassemble and inspect the main control. The 6f35 is the worst and needs an overhaul once the converter fails and pushes that gray sludge every where. I’ve done way more 6f35s than 6r80s, you should do a video on that one.

Just subd. Good information on that converter. My owners manual says to begin transmission fluid changes at 150k. Doesn’t sound right to me. Its a 16 f-150.

Great video, but one key thing when you service your transmission do not drain the fluid and replace it with brand new fluid! You will for sure after doing that need a whole transmission overhaul! What you want to do is drain the old fluid, filter it and then put it back in the transmission with a new transmission filter. Once the old filtered fluid is back in the transmission then you add new fluid as needed to meet your proper fluid levels!

Hello, awesome channel. My 2018 F-150 5.0 is making a ratcheting noise when you let off the gas between 1200-1800 RPMs, way more noticeable when the engine is cold. The dealer where I’m at seems to be confused, they’re replacing the torque converter, I don’t think that’s a good fix. I’ve seen several other post about this issue with no solution, any ideas? Thank you

Any info on older fords? Just started driving a 2001 f150 I bought a while ago and it feels like misfiring. PID doesn’t show any misfire counts and there was a misfire code on cylinder 1 that I had fixed. Not sure if misfire is gone but PIDS don’t show any counts. Still feels like it’s missing even at idle. Thanks for video I’ll probably just replace it myself soon since I can do it for cheap myself

Great video nailed it im having this happen while in 5th under light throttle byt not enough for to downshift under load i guess you can say ... im at 215k. Miles do you think it would be ok to replace TC along with with filter and fluid or will this cause more harm then good ?

I've been having a similar problem on my 2017 Ford Transit 150 cargo 3.7 flex fuel 6 SPD 6r80 with 300,000 mi but it didn't start out noticeable like a vibration. I drive about 250 mi a day 5 days a week. When I first started noticing a difference was after long weeks if I drove 1300 to 1500 mi in a week toward the end of the week and at the end of the day on friday it would feel just a little rough in shifting and a little vibration but I would park it for the weekend and the next week it would be just fine. If I had another busy week toward the end of the week it would feel a little rough. If my week was lighter I didn't notice it at all. This happened for 16,000 mi. As the weeks went on it got slightly a little worse and I mean slightly. It was still very hard to figure out what the problem was. I took it to two or three different transmission shops and the Ford dealership where I normally get service done and without testing, driving or looking at it they are all saying we're going to need to change the transmission just drive it until It's undrivable. Personally I like to be proactive and get something fixed that can be fixed before it fails completely I can't afford to be off the road. This was all during the summer and I assumed it's probably overheating a little. But now that fall is here and we're getting close to winter the nights are cold and when I go to the van in the morning and take off if I don't let it warm up for a few minutes there's a noticeable whirring sound until it gets a warmer. So I'm certain it's the torque converter now especially after listening to this video and others like it. At 300,000 mi is it worth replacing the torque converter? The transmission seems to be shifting just fine especially when I use the button to shift if I use the manual shifting setting. When it's in drive it seems to overheat if I drive more than 200 mi in a day for a week. I know that if I don't do something soon the torque converter can fail and pieces of metal can fall out into the transmission. I don't think we're there yet. Any advice? Oh and a side question I keep hearing these horror stories of transmission shops having a hard time taking off the crossbar support the frame bolts get stuck and they have to cut it out. Is that your experience as well being a Ford transmission serviceman?

What’s best upgrade to prevent from happening again?

I've got a 2017 F-150 and you exactly described the symptoms it's having right now. I took it to a local dealership and they said the entire transmission needed replaced... and it would cost $8500!!! After watching this I'm thinking it might be a good idea to take it to a different dealership.

My friend has a 10' F150 with this issue. Truck has 250k on it and transmission shifts perfectly. Would you recommend a rebuild or just a tc replacement? Keeping truck most likely.

I’m pretty sure just like many others you describe my situation as well. My question is does this condition worsen if you don’t do anything with it? Will the torque converter eventually just give out and fail?

My 2016 F-150 did this. Bought it from original owner at 123K. He pulled some with it. Took it to trans shop, they put a tube of shudderfix in it $12. Problem instantly went away. However they said it was a temporary solution. Fluid was pretty cooked. They suggested flushing fluid, replace with new as well as filter. Cant get all the old fliud out as a lot of it is in converter and valve body. So they recommended changing fluid and filter again to dilute the bad fluid. I did this myself after 10K, have put another 5K or so on it. Seems to have cured it. However it does sometimes stall when idling in gear. I dont know if that's separate issue or not.

Is it something that has to be replaced quick mason? As in when it starts shuddering should you get it replaced immediately? Or is it just an annoying noise

Quick question: Is a slight rise in engine RPM during this shudder indicative of it happening in/being the torque converter? This is what I've noticed on my 2010 F150's 6R80.

Flying Wrenches, Would you care to go in depth what actually is breaking/tearing up in the torque converter? ie: pump,, stator, just wondering what is actually Failing. Thank you

Mine has just started on my 2015 f150. 126,000.

I'm ford tech as well he is correct

Ford used to recommend a full flush for the 4R70W when there was shutter. Then maybe dr tranny shudder fix. Wouldn't it be worth trying that first? Sometimes the modifiers get depleted. This is often caused by overheated fluid. Best to add an additional cooler. These trans have thermostats, you can't overcool the fluid.

YEEEESSSS!!!! That same thing happened to my 2018 f150 3.5 eco and that happened at 65k mile I bought it with 37k miles a year 1/2 ago I’m the second owner . The Ford dealership had to overhaul the whole thing total cost around 4,500 parts and labor .. I gues I got my money’s worth buying that extended warranty 👍👍..now it ride like a NEW truck, and way torquier BUT is this something to worry about or sale it while the market is hot.?

Would this fix the 3to 4 gear shudder

Pretty good explanation but what exactly is it inside the torque converter that causes the shutter? Is it a lockup clutch chattering?

Mayson, you are the man! I have a 2016 F150 5.0 that has hit 205,000 miles. I had my transmission checked out by 3 different companies (1 was a Ford dealer). My converter has been shuddering for over a month now. I am going with the one that has quoted a price close to your suggestion of cost. Does the torque converter only effect the 4 wheel drive trucks?

What exactly is the fluid I can put into temporarily stop the torque converter shutter please

I had this I dropped the pan, changed the filter,and put fresh fluid in and shutter stop fix and. Its fine now so I’m going to trade it for a gmc while it running fine.

Mason, I'm an new subscriber and found your video very informative and great! I have a 2017 F-150 Limited 3.5 Eco, w low 27k miles and only recently experienced the "shudder" when doing a quick acceleration to get away from a bad driver situation. It shuddered and the eng light came on for about a minute. Any other particular advice videos you posted that I should check out ? The turbo? Catch can effective?

I have an 18’ F150 with 5.0 what would you think a vibration in the foot pedal that seems to change when gear changes but after about 30mins of driving nearly goes away or at least is way less of a vibration.

What's your opinion on having your torque converter rebuilt by a reputable shop?

Would I feel it while I’m stopped at a light? That’s when I seem to feel what you’re describing the most.

My 05 f150 4R70E has the same symptoms

My 2021 is in the shop now with this with only 7500 miles.

I'm replacing my torque converter but Wana replace the front pump seal Also do u have a tool link for that

This videos its great how you explained, have the same concern I thought it was the bearing from the diff but never pass through mi mine it would be the Torque Converter. Does that a recall? For some trucks?

Sent you the link to a video that shows exactly what’s going on with my truck (2017 f150 5.0 2wd) do you know what the problem could be ? Thanks 🙏 in advance

I learned some where that replacing only one part of the transmission can cause problems because the older parts may not be able to withstand the increased pressure of the newer parts; I suppose that could apply to replacing the torque converter/pump. If the seals in the transmission are worn out, the new pump may cause a failure that wouild not exist with the old worn out converter and pump? I don't know; maybe some else can comment on it!!!

My 2016 5.0 has this issue. It has 139k miles. I never did the fluid flush before 100k miles on the transmission. Do you think it’s safe to swap the torque converter and change the fluid and filter? Or recommend a new transmission?

Does anyone know if you change your gear ratio on your truck should you change install a torque converter with a different stall speed or does it affect your torque converter at all

I have the vibration plus a swirling/chattering noise on slight acceleration. Is this common?

Strong sticker game brother. NRA and cycle gear.

I have a 2015 F150 3.5L eco boost …. I have the exact shutter you are talking about but before I felt that I had a like thump/jerk when accelerating over 3500 rpms then go away…. Do you think that would be related?? Thanks

2010 5.4 with 225k with the same issue. Curious if it's detrimental to just leave it alone and accelerate through it? Idk I don't mind dropping the 2k to fix it but is it more of an annoyance or should really address it??

I had my torque converter replaced at a Ford dealer less than 2000 miles ago, and it is doing the same thing again, what might be the issues now?

2015 expedition. Used shutter fix 3 months ago and the shudder went away. Had the trans serviced along with an oil change last Friday(fluid and filter) and now I have a whining noise. I took a video of the noise, not sure how I can share it with you. Local Ford dealers are scheduling over a month out and trying to avoid any more damage by driving it. Looking for a 2nd opinion.