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Chewing gum on the mic is asshole tier for sure

Smacking that gum right in that mic lol.

Lol, i like how bear creek gets its own tier

Are you kidding me with the gum!!

Bushmaster’s roll mark being so cool puts it in B tier.

Aero went down right before covid and never resurfaced unfortunately

BCM is my benchmark. It’s right where $, quality and performance all fall into line. For each $1 spent above the price of a BCM you might get $0.25 increase in quality and/or performance. IMHO

anybody paying $2k for a 5.5" 5.56 deserves to part with their money

BRO!! THE GD CHEWING GUM!

geissele and larue above LMT, Noveske, LWRC and HK is insane🤣

I’ve had a bit too much to drink and man that guy’s comment about the free BCM BCG has me DYING LMFAO I can’t wait to see the rest of this

I bought an Aero upper and had buyers remorse when I received it due to the barrel not having a drilled gas port (bolt-action). They did fix it, and now I enjoy it quite a bit, but you shouldn't receive a barrel with no gas port. Thankfully I knew about their BCG issues so I had a Microbest at the ready.

Mil-spec triggers in a $2000 rifle immediately drags it down a tier. *Cough* *Cough* FN, DD, *cough* *cough*.

I had issues with an Aero upper. I contacted customer service, sent videos of the issue and.... they ghosted me. But according to the comments section, it was a me problem obviously ;)

Great vid my fellow German brethren . I own a BCM, Daniel Defense, FN, LWRC and PWS. Def A-tier value!

Where would you rank Blackout Defense? Really like my DTL, trigger seems elite as well.

Im in SC. Psa or any ffl out of state can't sell to you but if it's legal in your state they can ship it to your ffl in your state.

All that matters is the Mass Effect references.

Sorry I missed the live stream. No apologies necessary for lil dude bro. He was fine. Parenting is a privilege.

I got a psa upper during covid and have about a thousand rounds through it over the past 4 years with no issues. I would gladly buy another upper from them again, and if I have to give it a look over I’ll chalk it up to a learning experience. I like to tinker. I have heard the horror stories of their qc though, so I like to think I’m not walking into it blind. That said, I also wouldn’t mind getting an upper from BCM or focus.

The last post John Noveske made was about how every mass shooter has been on some form of prescription antidepressant. Noveske quality used to be damn near S+ and after he passed it has seemed to slip down pretty hard. The infidel was the first 13.7 rifle I saw over a decade ago, before every other company went there. I wouldn’t pay $400 plus ever again since Johns passing. My geissele’s and bcm rifles are still my favorites. I’ve had every worth while brand on this list minus the lower end ones and KAC. First was old school bushmaster over 20 years ago but back then it was pretty much just colt and bushy. I’ve never experienced the DI LWRC but there IC SPR in 14.7”. That’s was when LWRC went after Sig lol. Funny to see how much has changed in this market

I jumped in half way, but did hear about the great deal on the Geissele Automatics Super Duty rifle for $1,200. Where can I find a deal like that?

Do you have any opinions on Phase 5 weapon systems? I like the look of the uppers at a good price.

I was under the impression the bad QC was a few years ago. Now the QC is back

Hopefully you get a Type-A and Blackout Defense on the channel in addition to Noveske and Radian. Noveske and Radian are definitely A+ tier. PWS and VSeven definitely need to be on your next list.

I love my rosco k9 12.5 barrel but I wish they'd do it in something besides stainless steel in the series. I do appreciate the nitride finish though. I also love my 16 inch faxon pencil barrel. It has been a great performer for me in my lightweight rifle build. I've had a couple BCA uppers that ran great but I've definitely seen a lot of people have issues with them. I personally like to assemble my own rifles now though rather than buy a complete upper. Might have to buy one of your dissipators though haha. I do have a KE arms kp15 lower that has a lot of rounds through it and it works great. Its not the wwsd ambi lower. It takes triggers just fine and made a sweet lightweight rifle build. Great video

Bear creek " Trash Can " 😂

Your thumb nail almost had me about to loose my shit over LWRC..LOL..also I'd rather have over gas then a rifle that cant shoot through tough elements. But that's me

Would love to see you do a review of an Adams arms piston upper

I love Geissele and the REBCG is fantastic. I had one in a custom 13.9 that blew up due to an over pressured round from PMC and not only did Geissele send me a brand new REBCG free of charge despite it not being their fault but also were very responsive and sent me a bunch of swag.

anderson sport upper is the best fitting upper ive tried its my fave, not billet and forged 7075 but is exactly an a2 upper but without forward assist done with billet after handguard fit problems

I wonder how Cobalt Kinetics rates on your list?

Fairly often what you’ll see with people trying to “save money by building themselves” is that, with all the extra money people spend on upgrading their mid tier rifles, they could have just saved that money up, gotten something significantly better straight from the factory, and have a lil money left over

I took my PSA to the range and shot the same targets as a guy that had a Knights and I was surprised to see that they both did the same thing

Is there a way to donate to this channel. I’d like to buy you a coffee ☕️. (As long as its not black rifle company)

Gotta slot JP in. Remember they don't just make gamer rifles. They are responsible for some of the highest end/most accurate large frame ARs, made waves in the SASS program with the RSASS (remington submitted their rifle)/ They have super high quality barrels, thermofit barrel extensions, great triggers, the list goes on. Easy A+

Wait, where can you get Geissele rifles for $1200?

Larue was S tier before Mark got butthurt by everyone shitting on the c note and doubled his prices. Now it’s A

Was the geissele rifle sale in their own web site? Thats a killer deal. Thank you.

I know they don’t build full rifles but where would Criterion barrels go on this list?

Describing the fact that you've shot a lot of customers DD rifles as "HAD TO" shoot it...rofl

I don't even think you can realistically put hk on for the 416/417 you'd have to look at the mr556 since that's all that's offered to the civilian market lol

I def agree with the Geissele placement. They are nice. And getting their triggers and reliability enhanced BCGs is huge value added. Most of us put them in our rifles that we buy from anyone else lol. I’d bet 80% of the guys posting here have Geissele triggers in their guns..or wish they did.🤓

Where is PWS & Sionics?

Primary Arms still ships whatever you need to Washington State. You must affirm a disclaimer before they ship, but they will ship what you need. Just know your State and Local laws and regulations.

We need a video about why you don’t like Type A.

Did you end up getting delton in there ??

What about Barrett? Never had a problem with mine 4000+ rnds later. A bit overgased, but I prefer the term " combat gased"

Looks like it was a fun one. Thanks for the share!!

"hu hu hk master race amiright guys? Lol" *cries over his 3 thousand dollar pqper weight because he cant get spare pwrts from hk*

I think Geissele gets so much hate because of bill’s weirdness, and how pricy the ssa is. I think Geissele was well placed. On a side note how often do you see full rifles from companies like KAC, LWRC, Larue, or Radian? I hear about them a lot online but I don’t think I’ve seen a single one in person. I’m slightly convinced that they only exist online for people to argue about on ig.

Im not understanding your explanation on the LWRC, you said Geissele is S tier and LWRC is not, but Geissele rifles are over-gassed more then the LWRC. I own both, once my super duty barrel gets hot that group opens up, My LWRC gets hot the group stays alot tighter, and the reason being is the heavy barrel. If a smaller contour barrel gets hot, the group opens up, if a heavy barrel gets hot thats built of quality, the heavy barrel hold groups better. Does my Geissele run like a well oiled machine absolutely, but i hold a 3oc pattern with my LWRC with zero malfunctions, my super duty is 2oc with 3 or 4 stoppages, PMC runs fine in my LWRC, run it through my Super Duty and every now and then she gets a bit unhappy with the PMC. I guess its pretty much preference. Good vid.

Would love to see an Adams arms piston upper review.

I’m running out of places to hide ARs in the house. Wife thinks I have only 5. Owe how wrong she is. lol.

What's your opinion on KAK sandcutter ish BCG?

Please get your hands on unbranded AR ... they also have an carbon(polymer) lower

Do you ship uppers your home state of WA?

cmmg has fixed my 22 bolt twice first a broken barrel collar which was the fault of an out of spec beyer barrel and also the weld breaking on the back after 10k rounds at least, both times for free and the rdb 8 inch bolt and barrel is awesome

My first AR was the Ruger 556. I still have it and it still works, but the QC on it is terrible. The amount of slop between the upper and lower is laughable. And the Ruger furniture they put on it has long since broken off. The best thing to come out of it was that it helped to teach me about gunsmithing and what to look out for on low quality ARs.

Not sure about complete ar15's but im certain focus shooting llc uppers are at least for me are top tier.

@FocusTripp SanTan Tactical? I don't think anybody mentioned them.

I didn’t watch the entire video. But why do you have Geissele in S-tier, but LMT, LWRC in A-tier? And HK in C-tier? Because they’re expensive or hard to get? These are getting obscure but are all make good rifles. Yes, some aren’t DI AR15s readily available in the US, but if you’re going to include HK and PWS, you might as well include them: Caracal, Haenel, Schmeisser, Sako, B&T, Barrett, and soon Beretta. Also PRI, Sionics, Hodge, and (Canadian) Colt.

Curious where Griffin Armament would fall on this list. Their ambi MK2 lower is awesome and affordable. Pretty much identical to the ADM ambi lower at half the price. Plus they make all of their stuff in house. Edit* Just seen where you speak of them pretty much putting them on the same tier as ADM.

It would be funny if they made a AK tier list because most of the companies would fall in the no CQ tier.

There's a good dozen brands, maybe take a few that I would consider. Just so I don't get paralasys by analysis.

Where would you put Centurion Arms

How did Spike's make it to C? I thought you gave it a B?

Battle Arms Development and Mega Arms used to make really good receivers for the price, don't know if that is still the case today. Those were always my go to for stripped lowers.

My favorite AR15 company is Sionics. The only thing they make is their barrels. Very accurate barrels. I have 5 samples that are all MOA or better with good match ammo. Both chrome and QPQ. They source their uppers and lowers from Mega/Zev. Like others do. Their BCG's are NP3 coated. And they are completley vetted. A ton of departments use them as patrol rifles.

No Midwest industries?

I'm gonna have to say this, because it didn't come from aero sight. Those complaints could have been some or even all from aero built uppers built by other companies using there parts. Kinda hard to hold the QC itself against them using that. Except, maybe the part itself failing depending on the situation.

BA barrels are A but everything else is low B also no qc.

Aero is C, but they’ve probably sold more civilian rifles than everyone else put together by now…I’d love to see a total lowers sold comparison.

Never baught a complete rifle from a single manufacturer. Always source upper lower handguard from Aero, bcg and barrel from others, Magpul furniture, gas block else where too. You can build a great rifle with a pinned adjustable gas block and a great barrel for $1000-1500

Anyone have experience with Grid Defense?

good info to support the rankings.

Also zev bought mega. the owner of mega, the man that made mega what it was, left and founded icon defense.

I have a bcm recce 16 kmr-a and a ddm4v7 lw and the DD is gassed noticbly better than the 7 DD barrel quality is noticeably better and more accurate. Both are boring reliable, yes. I prefer BCM fit and finish/qc over the DD though. I shoot almost daily 150-350 yards in my backyard, so I'm talking with certainty from my experience with my rifles.

Value absolutely should be part of these kinds of conversation because it's something that kept coming up - for example, you were saying about DD vs BCM where DD is slightly better than BCM but also costs 50% more, which almost certainly pushes BCM above DD.

The guy who said Aero is *above* S&W is out of his mind.

A lot of these companies don’t manufacture anything lol, they just buy from an oem and slap a label on it. Some will do in house QC, or pay for a high level of QC from the oem though.

Missed the live but great talk guys

DANIEL DEFENSE B TIER WAAAAAT HATING THE RIS II WAAAT THE FOOK ITS PERFECT

Nemo makes some great stuff.

At 13:16, did this man say he threw away the whole upper?? Or the barrel? Or the barrel and the gas block? That should tell you everything you need to know about this guys view on saving money and value

BCM is the all around best to me. Excellent quality and assembly, nothing proprietary, and complete rifles can be had for $12-1300 (buy uppers and lowers seperate). IWI should be B for sure, especially if S&W is.

Where in the world did you find a Geissele for $1,200???

So I'll argue that Colt should be up in A or S tier. At least for my state just from the stand point of 1 you'll always get a MPI bolt head out of the box since those are always pulled off the military assembly line same with their Uppers those are M4 marked meaning real M4 contract uppers built to Technical data package spec. And 2 Colt is one of the few companies that make a "non" heavy heavy barrel with their Socom heavy profile which in my state all AR's must have a heavy profile barrel and marketed as having a HBar which the Socom Heavy is a government profile barrel with a bit more meat near the barrel nut under the handguard. Add those up and that it comes from an actual company and Colt for me in my state is and A-S tier manufacturer unless you build one yourself using Gucci parts and get a heavy barrel put in it.

I think the issues with these lists is a lack of codified definitions for each category with examples. Eg B tier is a reliable rifle that an off the rack rifle would complete some defined standard. (Eg. A rifle someone could take into combat) A and and S should be held for innovation or setting an industry standard. Then C and below could be held for hobby grade or below.

I’ve had problems with the higher end s and w rifles I had a ar10 and ar15 had jamming issues with both

The LWRC DI is the most slept on rifle on the market. Their BCG's are probably the best.

I’ve seen a few of these AR Tier videos and haven’t seen Seekins Precision on any of them.

from how bad my banshee has been reliability wise. c or d.

Wild to see how many people have issues with aero stuff. I have thousands of rounds thru my all aero build. Hasnt had a hiccup.

Don't forget about the Geissele trigger pocket! All you need is a drill bit.

Missed Munitionworks

Interesting that you placed POF so high...My first AR was a Renegade+. It's my least used rifle. Has a sweet ambi lower but just don't really care about it for some reason. Doesn't seem as accurate as the uppers I have with Geissele or BCM barrels or even the Rosco Purebred 13.7". The gas system on the POF is pretty cool idea if you're a suppressed shooter. I figured they were more 'B' or 'C' tier. Not sure I'd put Geissele in 'S' tier or Larue. I'm not sure anyone belongs there. I'd love to try a LaRue, supposedly they're suuuper accurate, but I don't know anyone with one or who has shot one. Thanks for the vid!

Regarding whether "value" should be included, I think it obviously is important, "quantity has a quality all its own", but value is not a performance metric for most people. For the military, it sort of is a performance metric in that it affects logistics performance and the amount of time and money and delays that go into determining our current fighting capacity, but for most average people, it's not quite as much about their ability to maintain that capacity because most people don't shoot enough for that to make a huge difference anyway. While it is definitely relevant to the conversation, because having two barrels that can give you a total of 30,000 rounds is definitely better than one barrel that can only get you 20,000, but value should be a secondary factor when it comes to putting tier lists like these together. Having two inaccurate rifles is not better than one accurate rifle (unless you have a buddy who is also gonna be helping you mag dump at a target 700yds away and pray that you hit them lol), but at the individual level, performance is what we should be evaluating first, while informing people of price, so they can determine on their own if a certain level of quality is even worth buying. People will know if something is worth it to them financially or not. People will be able to decide if they want to spend the extra money to get something better. But what people have a hard time figuring out, because the info on AR makers is mostly just hearsay and people simping for something they know nothing about because they want to feel good about themselves for having an opinion even when they know nothing about the actual state of the market or the manufacturers in general

Looking at the amount of Aero issues I doubt it is even C tier, no QC for me