A discussion of the terms folklore, fiction, folkloresque, and folklorism, and why perspective matters.
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@michaelnealphillips3 жыл бұрын
I enjoyed listening to you on Coat To Coast AM last night. 😊🧚♀️🧚♂️
@fatimaachnine13183 жыл бұрын
Thank you Morgan!!! My end of the year is much better.
@manymusings3 жыл бұрын
Thank you for this video. I have read LK Hamilton, Sarah J Maas, Jim Butcher, and more as some you have mentioned. As for fiction...Karen Marie Moning Fever series is my hands down favorite urban fantasy that includes fairy. I am working on writing a YA urban fantasy series that is centered around the fairy. That is why I found your channel while researching and have been binge-watching your videos. I plan on picking up your books when I can. Back to the Karen Marie Moning Fever series, she has the Tuatha de dannan (sp?), Seelie and Unseelie, vampires, and more. I imagine she took giant leaps of liberty in her creation of the stories but some of the stuff mirrors folklore. I loved the books!!!!! Mentions of cultural appropriation I have issues with. Even within the same culture, you can have different belief systems even if mi-nute. Personally, I cringe when I hear people try to claim cultural appropriation on anything. Especially since cultures grow and change based on other cultures they come in contact with. ESPECIALLY with fiction that may have seeds of certain cultures, it is still fiction. People that are offended don't have to read it. Someone will always find offense in anything you do if they look hard enough. In our current social climate, it is popular to find offense in everything. Not something I participate in. I have a very mixed background of very vibrant cultures and beliefs therefore I don't believe anything I do would be "cultural appropriation." (I am American with roots from the native peoples here, Scotland, Ireland, Wales, and England are part of my family tree.) If someone wants to live in the world of being offended, more power to them. I follow an eclectic pagan path that does include a belief in fairy, elemental energies, and other pagan leanings. That is my personal path and personal decision. I do not allow anything written in fiction to offend me if it goes against the grain of what I believe. HECK, I even write things contrary to what I believe. LOL PS: Vampires don't sparkle in the sunlight. HAHAHA. Well, maybe right before they explode they might. Seriously though, I do appreciate all the time you put into your videos. I appreciate your information and perspectives. This has been one step in my research process.
@FaoladhTV3 жыл бұрын
That's an excellent overview of that difference. Walsh's book includes the text of Stewart Sanderson's edition of The Secret Commonwealth, which is superior to Lang's. Lang's was based on an incomplete manuscript, known as Trans., which stops in the middle of the Fifth Objection. Sanderson's edition was based on the manuscript La.III.551, which is either the original (there are indications in the text that it might have been transcribed by Robert Campbell from direct dictation by Kirk) or else a very early copy of a lost original. Walsh was able to use that text because his book is a published form of his Master's thesis. R.J. Stewart's book, Robert Kirk: Walker Between the Worlds, includes the complete text, based on Sanderson's edition but modernized by Stewart. Stewart also includes his own commentary, based on his training as a ceremonial magician of the school of William G. Gray. Some people find that a benefit, others a detriment. I am not positive, but I think that the Marina Warner/New York Review of Books edition of 2006 is based on the full text, or in other words the Sanderson edition. Like R.J. Stewart, she chose to modernize the text and punctuation. As far as I know, all other editions in print (I'm leaving out The Occult Laboratory, as it is not only no longer in print but also, to my knowledge, very difficult to find; and of course Sanderson's actual edition is long out of print) are based on Lang's edition. Anyway, I know you know all of this (I've drawn much of it from Walsh, with a little of my own follow-up work on more recent developments), but I thought that I'd include it for people who might be interested in looking into The Secret Commonwealth, which, after all, is probably one of the most important documents we have on the fairy belief, but which has a fairly confusing publishing history involving at least two major editions.
@MorganDaimlerfairies3 жыл бұрын
Thanks for expanding on that, it's a hefty topic. Dr Kevan Manwaring has also written a fascinating article on the history of Kirk's original texts here thebardicacademic.wordpress.com/2017/04/03/the-remarkable-notebooks-of-robert-kirk/ that I highly recommend people read to get a better understanding of the complex history of the work. Manwaring wrote a novel for his thesis based on Kirk's life, work, and Secret Commonwealth. I should have used him (Manwaring) as an example of good fiction drawing on solid folklore tbh.
@Maddgoose6663 жыл бұрын
You’re quite the host, I love your voice and diction.
@ashleigh79143 жыл бұрын
Your tiger analogy reminds me of the (fictional) Ebu Dari people, from the Wheel of Time series, not believing snow or rain was a thing. That concept in WoT was so helpful for me in cultivating the truth of faith.
@FaoladhTV3 жыл бұрын
Also, I have a question. What is your take, in this context, on texts which purport to relate actual events, which may or may not interface with folklore, and may be presented as either research/journalism or memoir? Examples of the type of books I'm talking about include The Mothman Prophecies by Keel, The Beast of Bray Road by Linda Godfrey, or Hunt for the Skinwalker by Colm Kelleher, among many others.
@MorganDaimlerfairies3 жыл бұрын
I'd probably say folkloresque but heading towards folklore as its spread and taken into wider belief. Cryptids are a strange territory
@FaoladhTV3 жыл бұрын
@@MorganDaimlerfairies They really, really are. The whole Fortean category fits very well into the idea of "liminal".
@-RONNIE3 жыл бұрын
Good video I'm glad that you are helping people learn about the real lore.👍🏻
@adamhayden1173 жыл бұрын
Thank you Morgan. I am wondering though, in your personal opinion, when does something BECOME "legit" folklore, as we know, these experiences and interactions, while being RARE, probably still happen today.
@MorganDaimlerfairies3 жыл бұрын
I think the test of time and multiple people experiencing and sharing becomes the defining factors. Even with newer folklore, say like Mothman, its continuing over time, being passed on, and people experiencing it and talking about those experiences seem to me to be a key factor. My personal belief isn't folklore in itself but a shared belief can be.
@greendragonpublishing3 жыл бұрын
Just bought Meeting the Other Crowd! I'd heard of it, but appreciate your recommendation greatly.
@manymusings3 жыл бұрын
I hope I don't stress you out but I am sure I will have more questions later. LOL
@MorganDaimlerfairies3 жыл бұрын
I enjoy questions
@edwardbevington93513 жыл бұрын
Great video MD 😊😊😊
@PGmoonkin3 жыл бұрын
I know faeries are real but even so I dont think its wise to take it all that searously. It was told and written by humans. We tend to twist and exaggerate things.