Football Positions Are Evolving

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Are positions relevant in the modern game of football? How can Alexander-Arnold, Matty Cash and Tomiyasu all be listed by the same position? Do we need more terms to describe players? Or do we need to look at the game in a different way?
Alex Stewart explains that to better understand the game, we need to think about roles rather than positions.
Illustrated by Henry Cooke.
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@dontwannaname 2 жыл бұрын

A little disappointed that the "dribbly boy" wasn't one of the positions. They can be very effective playing alongside an Absolute Madlad

@06-shreetdave21 2 жыл бұрын

The dribbly boy was a dribbly boy back at barca, here at PSG he's just a central midfielder whofalls deep to win balls sometimes and facilitates passes to an absolute mess of an attack where he should've been playing instead.

@forniteisfun6355 2 жыл бұрын

Matip with Van Dijk

@oluwatobafaleye8900 2 жыл бұрын

Ah the dribbly boy The most important position on the pitch. Making mazy skill runs

@YouSmokeChed 2 жыл бұрын

spelt "boi"

@coleepley8985 2 жыл бұрын

Son and Kane are the “dribbly boi & absolute madlad combo”

@manashichattoraj9871 2 жыл бұрын

Outgoing introvert , ambidextrous polymath and absolute madlad are some of my favourite roles in football

@michaelpirie9515 2 жыл бұрын

Joe, Alex & JJ respectively.

@U_C_G 2 жыл бұрын

On football manager I've had great success with my lopsided 2-2-6-2 with a diagonal half-centre and a reverse cowgirl on the left wing

@yt.personal.identification 2 жыл бұрын

I was expecting a bench of "left right out"

@Aisatsana1971 2 жыл бұрын

@@U_C_G such a great system that you’re allowed an extra player

@rjfaber1991 2 жыл бұрын

@@U_C_G It is a tried and tested formation, but with players these days being more physically fit, the player on the left wing can now take up a much more active role than reverse cowgirl, and various coaches have tried to exploit this in several ways. It all started with the scissoring winger cutting into the half-space earlier and staying on the near side of the defender, but lately players in these positions have even been used as a piledriver, though the jury is still out on whether the decreased vision associated with this role hampers the team's attack more than the ease with which balls can be delivered to the box benefits it. 😁😁

@BLOCH1998 2 жыл бұрын

This is the most important Tifo-video for the modern-day football. There are too many fans, reporters, etc. who criticize players for not doing the same thing as another player in the same position does. TAA is a great example. Great video Tifo, this was very needed.

@Electricdreams21 2 жыл бұрын

TAA spends a lot of time playing centrally as a midfielder and gets criticised for losing his winger. He's clearly asked to play that way by Klopp and he can do that because they have two world class centre halfs and Hendo/Fabinho for cover

@TheDandelionMind 2 жыл бұрын

Agree, had a chat with a Spurs fan few months back now, saying that someone was moaning about them buying the "wrong" right back - Emerson instead of Tomiyasu -. And as much as I am glad we got Tomi, I said that the comparison is stupid as they're completely different kind of right backs and also depends on what the team felt they needed too.

@harrystead9481 2 жыл бұрын

The criticism is even worse for attacking players. Frustrates me so much that people only look at goals+assists as the sole metric of a players ability and output. A winger who stays touchline wide doesnt have the same role as a wide forward. An attacking number 8 in a midfield 3 doesn't have the same role as a number 10. And yet still people try to draw comparisons between them.

@eksortso 2 жыл бұрын

Definitely! I'm 48yo but still consider myself new to the game. Over my eight years of fandom so far, when I hear talk of sweeper-keepers or the ways that wingers are coming back into fashion, then I can attribute the new developments as different playing styles for the same declared role, some of which I haven't ever seen played live. A simple example: I never saw a goalkeeper before 1992 play the ball (because I didn't watch anyone before 2013 play the ball) but after learning what the sweeper used to do and why goalies had to change, it seems like sweeper-keepers are a modern evolution, and so when keepers stop playing as sweepers in 5 years (maybe), they're still solid keepers, even if the game has overtaken them.

@jamie6669 2 жыл бұрын

I would also say Firmino sums up this point perfectly as well. Because he's a number 9 and plays centre forward, he's always compared to traditional strikers and criticised for not scoring enough.

@nifemi_o 2 жыл бұрын

The next TIFO video should be about the best Absolute Madlads in world football, it's a position/role that's rarely talked about

@yt.personal.identification 2 жыл бұрын

Presented by an "Outgoing Introvert"...if they have any.

@yungtrashlord 2 жыл бұрын

i think jamie vardy is a good example of the role

@theqaz1828 2 жыл бұрын

Diego Costa

@donkosaurus 2 жыл бұрын

yeah, diego costa fits luis suarez and possibly carlos tevez could go there too

@cjc872 2 жыл бұрын

Sounds like what the title of a video about the career of Duncan Ferguson should be!

@sususegar 2 жыл бұрын

I demand that FM have the option to deploy an Absolutely Madlad in attack.

@hugh.g.rection5906 2 жыл бұрын

shoots with two footed tackles that kind of thing lol

@Benjihurlock 2 жыл бұрын

Complete Forward on Attack: close down much more, roam from position, move into channels, shoot more often, cross more often, tackle harder. Enjoy.

@lts3248 2 жыл бұрын

The goal of the madlad is not to score, but to injure as many opposition players as possible before being sent off 😵

@claudioalegria1833 2 жыл бұрын

I want the "Steve" role.

@Prederick 2 жыл бұрын

Hereby starting a petition for SIGames to add "Ambidextrous Polymath," "Outgoing Introvert" and "Absolute Madlad" as player roles for FM 23.

@lonestarr1490 2 жыл бұрын

And 'Steve'!

@calumneeson20 2 жыл бұрын

Need a mod that changes Saint Maximin’s preferred role to dribbly boy

@riccardostopazzola7931 2 жыл бұрын

It's pretty much Ibra's role throughout his entire career

@xavier.mauricio 2 жыл бұрын

I'm Brazilian and support a team in Brasil's Serie A, Fortaleza. Our current coach, Vojvoda, comes from the Bielsa tree and has done an incredible job creating a team abandoning positional orthodoxy in favor of building a system where players are put in fitting roles. We play a 3-5-2 and our best players last year were the two wingbacks, a career center-attacking mid who became a key creative hub at left wingback, and a career rightback skilled going forward who as wingback became a huge threat on the box with well-timed runs. Meanwhile our center-attacking mid used to play defensive/center mid, he is creatively limited but a total workhorse off the ball leading the press with the two strikers. We finished the season top4 with one of the smallest wage budgets in the league. Positions are fake. Just figure out what players you have and use them as best you can.

@zxcvbnmzxcv1 2 жыл бұрын

Glad to get this insight. Especially something from a league that's relatively not in the mainstream globally. Cheers man. Great stuff.

@xavier.mauricio 2 жыл бұрын

Forgot to mention a key part of this: our left wingback is right-footed! Was such a sick season to watch.

@zxcvbnmzxcv1 2 жыл бұрын

@@xavier.mauricio Ayo, you got any highlights for the season or something I can watch? Seem like Moneyball at its finest.

@isaacfung622 2 жыл бұрын

Obrigado

@giovanniperruci514 2 жыл бұрын

É O LION 🔵⚪️🔴

@tophev07 2 жыл бұрын

Our pick, though, is Tifo FC’s dynamic midfielder, “Steve”

@calumneeson20 2 жыл бұрын

Joelinton is the obvious recent example of a manager unlocking a player, Howe moving him into midfield was the equivalent of signing a new player, someone who actually looks like a 30ish million player

@ishaandw 2 жыл бұрын

Which is why for example, not using TAA as England's RB is a valid decision by Southgate because his role is way too different from what he is good at or normally does.

@binura 2 жыл бұрын

sad truth

@rickyrickalvous2982 2 жыл бұрын

As a WB though? He offloads some of his defensive responsibility to the RCB

@ishaandw 2 жыл бұрын

@@rickyrickalvous2982 yes, he has played for England as a RWB

@pulluptheroots 2 жыл бұрын

As a Fulham fan I can confirm that Mitrovic has been successfully deployed as an Absolute Madlad this season

@mxsthxted 2 жыл бұрын

Football manager is a real good in depth look at the roles, formations, tactics, etc for anyone who is interested

@TwistedSoul2002 2 жыл бұрын

I used to play Championship Manager back in the 90’s…. Sounds like it’s a similar game?

@TGBHammer 2 жыл бұрын

But do they have the absolute madlad?

@2000AD 2 жыл бұрын

@@TwistedSoul2002 If you played Champy back in the 90's then it is a continuation of the same series. The developers split from the publisher in the early 2000's with the developers keeping the game source sode whilst the publishers kept the franchise name. The developers revived the old Football Manager franchise name and went from strength to strength; whilst Championship Manager essentially became the knock off imitation brand and (last I checked) hasn't had any relevant releases in years.

@mpaujan21 2 жыл бұрын

Great video! I won't criticize Maguire again, he plays his role perfectly as a clown

@brothatisfunny 2 жыл бұрын

It's very easy to criticize, but i want to see you play better than him with 50kg of head above your neck

@bens4602 2 жыл бұрын

He’s a multimillionaire Euro finalist and you’re a salty football fan… you’re the clown, mate.

@zulhilmimohanap4281 2 жыл бұрын

Cmon mate XD

@tathagatabishayee9345 2 жыл бұрын

@@bens4602 🧂

@willdavies969 2 жыл бұрын

A video on the modern day fullback would be interesting. Fullbacks are vital now and key to crating goals and assists rather than defending

@tomathy2796 2 жыл бұрын

Roll over Target Forward or Second Striker, I want an Absolute Madlad in my team!

@DJRockKpop 2 жыл бұрын

Miedema has always made it a point to talk about how she’s not a prototypical No. 9 and that she enjoys dropping deeper to link-up play. Loved the FAWSL examples

@JB-kd9wg 2 жыл бұрын

This is why it’s difficult to compare some players, they do completely different things for their teams

@alexandrelarouchebrazeau6218 2 жыл бұрын

I'm happy I've started playing Football Manager to better understand the different roles and enjoy more watching football.

@khuongnguyen6644 2 жыл бұрын

I think it is fair to say Trent is bad at defending tho. Liverpool makes a trade-off between his outstanding attacking / crossing ability for his defending ability (yeah and sometimes have Henderson or someone else cover for him)

@Spiedi2012 2 жыл бұрын

what. a. video. the amount of little "easter eggs" is just pure gold. loved pausing the video at every other screen just to read all the roles you came up with :D much love and this channel never ceases to amaze me

@jameswright21 2 жыл бұрын

Always thought that the idea of a position was based on defensive formation. As attacking is generally about moving players out of position and finding advantageous matchups it seems bizarre people would even try and apply it that way.

@rgonzalo511 2 жыл бұрын

Centre forwards and pivots are positions during attack. In which remaining disiplined in there position is what makes them effective. So not all positions have that level of freedom.

@markthacker9975 2 жыл бұрын

Ah yes, my favourite position, out wide on the right… ‘Steve’

@GustavoSilva-ny8jc 2 жыл бұрын

3:36 Ooooohhh it's so cool to hear you mentioning female football!!! I usualy don't even think about the subject but know i'm more curious, i want to know how they diverse.

@tejasbalamukesh8342 2 жыл бұрын

Appreciate that you added women's football as well

@GustavoSilva-ny8jc 2 жыл бұрын

Brilliant video!!! This is one of the topics that i like the most in games, maybe the topic, and i you love more detailed videos about how players from the same position are different and unique.

@DomenBremecXCVI 2 жыл бұрын

I think Klopp often says that the formation is only about defensive situations. While the team is under pressure both Tomiyasu and Trent will act in a similar way.

@alexcefai7185 2 жыл бұрын

Great video and awesome to see references to the WSL! Sam Kerr and her positioning is very underrated.

@chijiokeochubili7279 2 жыл бұрын

Best tactical analysis video from Tifo Football this year. Absolutely learnt a lot from it.

@layi136 2 жыл бұрын

Absolute love the part where you included wsl plyers.. surprising and promising ❤️

@aaroncottam 2 жыл бұрын

Talking about the WSL was a nice surprise!

@chrisproutttv 2 жыл бұрын

Applause for bringing the FAWSL into this

@doesitreallymatter4744 2 жыл бұрын

WHY ? ! !? ! i hated it. MEN and FeMAN football is so different. and i dont want to know about women's football.absolutely no interest.

@nikolazunic6482 2 жыл бұрын

I enjoy your videos! Especially these ones about tactics, thanks!

@joevolcano6720 2 жыл бұрын

Great video, would be interesting to see you @Tifo look at how assymetrical formations work in football? Thanks

@Bagster321 2 жыл бұрын

Was not expecting the mention of female footballers but very happy to see it and especially see Sam Kerr get a mention! She's a great forward and better security bouncer.

@binura 2 жыл бұрын

absolute unit

@deancena 2 жыл бұрын

Next they should start using U-15 players or Indian Super League players because quality obviously doesn't matter anymore

@EvilSuggestions 2 жыл бұрын

Anyone who is down on the mention of female footballers here has evidently never watched Carli Lloyd's Puskás Award nominated goal from the 2015 Women's World Cup. Even SpaceX can't launch rockets like that.

@melessemansur4564 2 жыл бұрын

@@deancena are you comparing prepubescent children to Sam Kerr?

@deancena 2 жыл бұрын

@@melessemansur4564 Sorry I shouldn't have insulted 14 year olds by comparing them to women footballers

@Michaelkaydee 2 жыл бұрын

This was a really good video... much needed

@SmellsLikeBrass 2 жыл бұрын

We need an in-depth analysis about the question how to best incorprate a 'Steve' into your team.

@ratboyz2men626 2 жыл бұрын

thank you for including the women's game! so important to modern football

@doesitreallymatter4744 2 жыл бұрын

RUBBISH. dont mix them into one video. DO another channel for women .

@rupeoverlay3153 2 жыл бұрын

Tremendous video guys. Very important

@vikingblast3582 2 жыл бұрын

Thank you for the mentions of White, Kerr, and Miedema! Makes showing this vid to my daughter more fun!

@doesitreallymatter4744 2 жыл бұрын

No. ! Please. This is total disrespect for male football. Go and do a separate video just for woman football. Its totally different, dont compare.

@ahmedassaggaf5975 2 жыл бұрын

Very important video thanks a lot .

@aramanon 2 жыл бұрын

Did anyone spot that Silky Ilkay didn't really have a cracking goalscoring 'season' last term- actually had a great winter. He played a completely different role in the team and scored a dozen goals just while KDB was injured and returned to his Pirlo role when KDB returned. Am I really the only person who spotted this?

@joevolcano6720 2 жыл бұрын

Interesting, I didn't spot it but will look out for it. Well observed.

@ejleoz21 2 жыл бұрын

So many people need to watch this video and understand this. I hear criticisms of Tomiyasu from certain Arsenal fans saying he doesn’t attack enough as they fail to understand that isn’t his role.

@simstander5471 2 жыл бұрын

Tifo does it again, great video. Football pundits should be watching this vid

@samuelpraneeth5796 2 жыл бұрын

Loved this video! Especially the part about being fairer to players and managers when critiquing them.

@bhvithai5327 2 жыл бұрын

Pleasantly surprised with the representation of Women's Football in this tactical analysis! I did a double take when listening and heard Miedema's name, nice work TIFO!

@Polo9794 2 жыл бұрын

Great vid!

@adamakante5183 2 жыл бұрын

Top content always 🔥

@fai888 2 жыл бұрын

LOL I misread that title as ‘Football PRISONS are evolving’ 😂

@tosinarogundade1848 2 жыл бұрын

Thought provoking view on football roles and systems

@wagwanbennydj6003 2 жыл бұрын

Cant wait for the I was on the wing like "Steve" bars 😉🤣🤣🤣

@Xavyer13 2 жыл бұрын

Funny that Zlatan actually often plays the Absolute Madlad position XD

@M..n..M 2 жыл бұрын

Outgoing introvert just killed me😂😂

@diegodadog1435 2 жыл бұрын

Outgoing Introvert and Absolute Madlad 2 of my favorite football positions

@redeath4 2 жыл бұрын

"absolute madlad" & "outgoing introvert"... i'm dying over here :D:D:D

@tavongaishefaneti 2 жыл бұрын

I love the WSL reference in there!

@890nunu 2 жыл бұрын

Love that you guys mentioned women’s football!! Would love to see you guys get into that more

@doesitreallymatter4744 2 жыл бұрын

@ampersand7835 2 жыл бұрын

6:03 that "Absolute madlad" tho 😂😂

@akilsrikanth1647 2 жыл бұрын

Yes number 10 is starting to have a new meaning

@1999amulya 2 жыл бұрын

petition to make 'absolute madlad' an official descriptive term. DO IT NOW. Show support guys plis.

@greninjafw 2 жыл бұрын

I like the use of WSL strikers as examples and the critism of lazy stereotyping

@yt.personal.identification 2 жыл бұрын

They are not really examples if it adds nothing to the description for the majority of viewers.

@mustafasiddiqui8591 2 жыл бұрын

@@yt.personal.identification How does it add nothing? They literally explain HOW they play?

@yt.personal.identification 2 жыл бұрын

@@mustafasiddiqui8591 The entire point of placing an example in any literature, in any field, is to provide a point of reference that the majority of the audience of the piece will be able to relate to. That is what an example is, by definition. If the majority of the people can't relate to the example, nor does it enhance the understanding of the point being made, then it fails at it's one job.

@yt.personal.identification 2 жыл бұрын

@@mustafasiddiqui8591 Let me ask you, would you be so defensive of the point I am making if they had used examples of A-League players instead, that most here wouldn't know?

@mustafasiddiqui8591 2 жыл бұрын

@@yt.personal.identification so in my history book, the author uses the Siege of Carthage as an example of a siege, but I'm unable to "relate" to it because I don't care about Roman History. Does that mean it's a poor example? also the guy who's being so pedantic about the definition of an example is accusing others of being defensive. let me guess, now you'll probably say that this is ad hominem too.

@MrAmeame 2 жыл бұрын

"Absolute Madlad" is actually my preferred position 😂😂🤣 Mezzala not even a close second 😤🙏🏾😂 "Outgoing Introvert" my fallback tho 👌🏾💜

@boanerges1770 2 жыл бұрын

6:02 I too, would like a absolute madlad forward

@jumpmanblanco3048 2 жыл бұрын

I learn so much off of this channel

@christianvargas4468 2 жыл бұрын

"The point is not to start using terms like Mezzala or Libero..." lol as a Serie A fan we use them a lot already.

@jude_I 2 жыл бұрын

one of the best tifo videos ever

@georgeezomo3883 2 жыл бұрын

Outgoing introvert, Amidextrous polymath 😂😂. Enjoyed this.

@guilhermeodai 2 жыл бұрын

Just like the video explains how positions are not a one size fits all, monolithic thing, the same can be said of formations. They can (and likely will) change over the course of a match. When we say a team plays on a 4-3-3 or 4-4-2 we're usually refering to the basic attacking structure, without the ball a team might switch to a 4-5-1.

@Heelo_0 2 жыл бұрын

What a video So much points people haven't paid attention to

@kwazilucas 2 жыл бұрын

This topic needs to be spoken about more.

@Pyrrho66 2 жыл бұрын

Lol “ambidextrous polymath”, “outgoing introvert” and “absolute madlad” are my new favorite positions on the football pitch

@Jay-in6dl 2 жыл бұрын

The whole role over position is exactly why FM players have a much better understanding of the game than FIFA players.

@subhanzulfiqar5768 2 жыл бұрын

This is goddamn right

@kabs1710 2 жыл бұрын

Great to see players from the FAWSL included in the video, more of this going forward.

@alexchaviramusic 2 жыл бұрын

I really liked that you guys used examples from women’s football, that was really cool

@mattkilsby947 2 жыл бұрын

Absolutely LOVE that you used examples from the women’s game without breaking stride. This normalisation is exactly what we need in mainstream coverage. It doesn’t have to be “women’s football”, it’s all just football.

@DO_sd1hg 2 жыл бұрын

Agree with the sentiment but we need to use language correctly, because it’s important. I’m not sure you quite understand the definition of the term ‘normalisation’. By definition you mean ‘indoctrination’. At best this would be considered ‘education’.

@Manivilization 2 жыл бұрын

@@DO_sd1hg nice troll

@hahawas 2 жыл бұрын

Absolutely agree. Much appreciated Tifo.

@judebachelet7822 2 жыл бұрын

i think it was a good transition but its hard to understand when you dont follow the womens game

@doesitreallymatter4744 2 жыл бұрын

NO NONONONONOONONO men and women football are so different. 15yo boys can beat professional women footballers, this has been demonstrated multiple times. women deserve their narrative, dont put them into one video with as if they are equals when they are not. Because the standards are so different, both genders deploy different tactics. its like comparing oranges and apples. please dont.

@reynaldodelrio1548 2 жыл бұрын

Add the fact that regions, for example in southamerica we have different roles. It's madness. like what you refer to a CF we call media punta (not to be confused with Enganche) but our definition of CF (media punta) is more associated to a CAM then to a ST. Makes for interesting conversations lol.

@paulricketts10 2 жыл бұрын

I think Barney Ronay and Jonathan Liew at The Guardian really need to watch this video - especially the bit about overcomplication.

@RobGThai 2 жыл бұрын

The number of times “critics” who judged the player by their “standard” stats is really astonishing for one of the biggest sports in the world. Then again it’s hard to generalize how two player compares, etc for casual audiences. I think we should just accept that they are different based on their role and not just starting position since a lot of managers are now favoring fluid systems.

@thelonesoldier4518 2 жыл бұрын

This is such a good channel fot footy fans

@AH-mp1fh 2 жыл бұрын

This should be a fundamental watch before going to the pub

@rmnkhr 2 жыл бұрын

As a football computer gamer, i can confirm that Absolute Madlad is my preferred role for my forward player

@MegaChabrol 2 жыл бұрын

'Absolute madlad' that's a good one:)

@domcann2613 2 жыл бұрын

Could you make a video on the Italian position definition? Not sure I’ve seen it on this channel

@AeonQuasar 2 жыл бұрын

1:39 "Steve" Lol.

@dancingdude4 2 жыл бұрын

I can't with the 'steve' and the absolute madlad stuff, Jesus Christ 😂😂

@buckthenarrator819 2 жыл бұрын

i'm glad my favourite role Outgoing Introvert been mention

@achbahmusta8449 2 жыл бұрын

The best channel in youtube period

@lagofala 2 жыл бұрын

One reason why football is popular everywhere is that it is quite simple to understand. Slow and steady education of the wider public works.

@benjaminlynch9958 2 жыл бұрын

“Ambidextrous Polymath” Sounds like the name of a hipster coffee bar.

@esteban.bernal 2 жыл бұрын

You can vary in style of play all you want, but every team needs an absolute madlad.

@MarkCaron 2 жыл бұрын

Kudos for adding in three of the best forwards in the women’s game as examples.

@davidchandra8722 2 жыл бұрын

6:05 absolute madlad role xD

@zephes742 2 жыл бұрын

Outgoing introvert, ambidextrous polymath, capricorn... hilarious as always, TIFO.

@thom2323 2 жыл бұрын

Miedema goated 🐐🐐

@doesitreallymatter4744 2 жыл бұрын

PLease. dont mix women into men football. Its our only respect left.

@olemariusrj 2 жыл бұрын

6:20 "absolute madlad" xDDDDD

@cecilmillen2205 2 жыл бұрын

"Solipsistic wide-half Trequartista" is pure brilliance

@johnkelly3549 Жыл бұрын

Delighted to see Miedema get a shout. She’s a generational talent.

@lwandomadikizela2213 2 жыл бұрын

Football positions has never stopped evolving. It's up to the players to adapt and survive otherwise they're left behind. Best examples Ozil, Mata and James. Great players but failed to adapt to the modern game and fell behind.

@phistoltv5196 5 ай бұрын

Even luxury players are getting left behind. Example Messi, Ronaldo, Neymar etc. In the modern game everyone is expected to press all the time. That fans started criticizing them for not running when previously them not pressing wasn't a big issue.

@thom2323 2 жыл бұрын

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Football Positions Are Evolving

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