Why is everyone using a Box Midfield?

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Mikel Arteta and Xavi are having stand-out seasons this year, with Arsenal and Barcelona leading their respective title charges.
Both managers, and many more through-out the Premier League are utilising a box shape in midfield. The shape allows teams to have a numerical advantage in midfield and dominate possession. But beyond this, why is everyone now using a box midfield?
Jon Mackenzie explains why the tactical phenomenon is becoming so popular this season.
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Timestamps:
00:00 Intro
00:14 What's a Box Midfield? (Tuchel's Chelsea)
01:37 Arteta's Arsenal
05:08 Xavi's Barcelona
08:42 Conclusion
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@Brad02K
@Brad02K Жыл бұрын
I would’ve mentioned the fact that both White & Kounde were predominantly CBs prior to this season. They are being used as RBs so they can form a stronger back 3 when the LB moves up.
@Lightexo
@Lightexo Жыл бұрын
Pep does this as well with using Bernardo Silva and Ake as LB. He used the young kid Lewis at RB in the win against Bournemouth and he slotted into the half spaces in midfield in attacking plays. Interesting concept.
@patrickdaitya7084
@patrickdaitya7084 Жыл бұрын
Except White is often the sixth attacker, more often than he tucks in narrow.
@GrahamWiggill
@GrahamWiggill Жыл бұрын
White actually plays like a very traditional fullback, joining attacks and not tucking into the back 3 all that much.
@GuyJames
@GuyJames Жыл бұрын
@@Lightexo Bernado was a bit of a disaster at LB, though I get the concept. It didn't help playing him against the best right winger in the league in Saka, it has to be said. Lewis is the better option if you need someone to go into midfield, and Aké is the better out and out defender, IMO.
@Lightexo
@Lightexo Жыл бұрын
@@GuyJames Yeah. Even Rico Lewis isn’t ideal for the position if the winger is top level. Pep has weird formations and puts in players simply because they have enough ball playing skills to play inverted and drop in. He’s just like that sometimes.
@TheOczkowski
@TheOczkowski Жыл бұрын
Thank you Goblin King, your insight is as valued as your rule over us lowly goblin peasants.
@beard6329
@beard6329 Жыл бұрын
i love you for this comment
@Pandajo
@Pandajo Жыл бұрын
All praise the Goblin King his unholyness.. We are not worthy
@misters6749
@misters6749 Жыл бұрын
Goblin king?
@samueljeffries8671
@samueljeffries8671 Жыл бұрын
@@misters6749 Only those who have watched EVERY episode will understand ;)
@aaronstanes4088
@aaronstanes4088 Жыл бұрын
Can someone please explain the reference
@shantshafwhaanjulius
@shantshafwhaanjulius Жыл бұрын
I actually did the Barca tactic last season without realizing it lol played a 10 as a LW and told him to cut in so we can play with 2 10's and play to our advantage which was our RW being a traditional winger. Stays wide, runs to the byline then puts the ball into the box for our ST or 10's. And this worked with my U/12 team lol
@OzyMandias13
@OzyMandias13 Жыл бұрын
How would you feel about a job in London??
@cabhan
@cabhan Жыл бұрын
@@OzyMandias13 specifically west london, your predecessors’s name rhymed with blotter or something
@Diego-gy6hu
@Diego-gy6hu Жыл бұрын
west ham would love to have you as coach
@oleratomokoka7955
@oleratomokoka7955 Жыл бұрын
Where in South Africa are you based
@OzyMandias13
@OzyMandias13 Жыл бұрын
@@cabhan if you go around using the word predecessor like that, you’re gonna get a lot of desperado hopes up. He is the incumbent for at least another eight hours and very likely until at least post-Dortmund.
@sosman747
@sosman747 Жыл бұрын
As Chelsea fan, why did you have to remind me of Tuchel’e Chelsea 💔💔 Just wanted to appreciate Teta’s tactics without the heartbreak
@benellis-moat6247
@benellis-moat6247 Жыл бұрын
did you enjoy watching Tuchels Chelsea team play? it was effective but not pleasing to watch, imo. I dont support chelsea btw
@MasonGreenWeed
@MasonGreenWeed Жыл бұрын
@@benellis-moat6247 effective but unpleasing to see is very German thing
@HenSt-gz7qj
@HenSt-gz7qj Жыл бұрын
@@benellis-moat6247 imo, Tuchel just missing a world class striker (all he has is Werner and Lukaku). Imagine Tuchel having Torres...
@sosman747
@sosman747 Жыл бұрын
@@benellis-moat6247 Yea my biggest gripe on Tuchel’s Chelsea was his over reliance on RJ and lack of creativity through the middle, even when we dominated possession, it still felt like goals were scored scrappy
@daniel5534
@daniel5534 Жыл бұрын
@@HenSt-gz7qj trolling
@eldararnautovic2797
@eldararnautovic2797 Жыл бұрын
I would add one more thing about Barca. When everybody is healthy box midfield works perfectly. But if you have to play Sergi Roberto, Kessie and Alba instead of Pedri, Gavi and Balde, then you will most probably lose to Man United. Problem with Barca is not that box midfield doesn't work, but the fact that they only have maybe 12-13 great players, and rest of the team is not as good, because they are either too young or too old. They don't have deep squad and when they lose 3-4 players due to injuries or suspension, they have problems. Last night, they for the first time in 15 years parked the bus against Real Madrid, because that was the only way to win. If they tried to dominate the ball and have possession, they would have lost 3-0.
@adrienfut3574
@adrienfut3574 Жыл бұрын
So true
@michaelbaker1660
@michaelbaker1660 Жыл бұрын
I’d be really interested to know what the comparison is between a box midfield and a diamond midfield and why teams don’t go for that for numerical midfield superiority. Also how does the idea of the box midfield compare to the classical WM formation
@needfoolthings
@needfoolthings Жыл бұрын
The ten in a diamond could be more easily marked by one of the opposition's pivots, the deep-lier by their striker, meaning one pivot could be enough for them, while on the other end, their wingers could come inside to be a midfield 4 again. If you play a box, you bind two opposition midfielders more deeply, potentially tearing down their structure through holes higher up. You're then more easily able to play around their midfield if they choose to pull a winger in for them to have a midfield 4 again.
@lukemclellan2141
@lukemclellan2141 Жыл бұрын
​@@needfoolthings what a great answer to a very good question! I'm no authority on the matter, but your explanation is excellent.
@jcperez__
@jcperez__ Жыл бұрын
​​To add to what ​@@needfoolthingssaid, diamond vs box also has an impact for defense and buildup shape. Just like the diamond puts a lot of pressure and responsibility on the ten role for attack, it does the same for the single pivot midfielder in defense and buildup. With a box midfield, you use a double pivot instead, which leads to a safer, more conservative structure. The teams' buildup and rest defense structure becomes then a 3 + 2 (3 defenders, 2 mids) instead of the 3+1 you would have with the diamond. Xavi, for example, needed this double pivot because Busquets as single pivot is hardly sustainable at his age. A diamond would expose him more.
@mhtv5959
@mhtv5959 Жыл бұрын
Real Sociedad are using diamond midfield. They're the only ones in Europe who have got it figured out
@nachosterli7995
@nachosterli7995 Жыл бұрын
the difference comes with where the extra man is located. In the diamond, the defense will leave alone your pivot, while in the box, it will be an attacking midfielder
@peteredeoghon6457
@peteredeoghon6457 Жыл бұрын
Funnily enough, I remember Guardiola using this tactic against Liverpool in the Champions league a few years back, and they got absolutely battered. Glad to see it's working out now
@jnes624
@jnes624 Жыл бұрын
That Liverpool side would probably still counter it, not now though obviously
@chubs2312
@chubs2312 Жыл бұрын
Having an extra man in midfield means being outnumbered somewhere 😉
@Abilimarvellous
@Abilimarvellous Жыл бұрын
@@chubs2312 it's in defence, quick transitions and it is undone. It helps when you have possession, lose it and you're done for.
@DARTHCJ117
@DARTHCJ117 Жыл бұрын
And now man city lineup with it from the start every week
@Ayush-pu8ym
@Ayush-pu8ym Жыл бұрын
Been playing a 3-2-2-3 for ages to get the advantages of the classic W-W in offence and defense, while at the same time having a solid base against a counter and midfield runners for offense! Push the centre backs wide and get 2 holding midfielders into pseudo centre backs for a back 5, and proper coverage on the wings as well. Never knew it would become so popular in the years to come at the highest level! Converts to a 3-2-4-1, 2-3-4-1, 2-3-3-2 depending upon midfield superiority and game state. Best shape for dominant teams.
@account-yi2cn
@account-yi2cn Жыл бұрын
Literally back to square one. WM all over again
@opinionatortv6457
@opinionatortv6457 Жыл бұрын
"The more things change, the more they stay the same"
@heroyt2490
@heroyt2490 9 ай бұрын
I remember FOOTBALL MADE SIMPLE saying that ( Gavi is a winger on paper) meaning he will return to his natural habitat on the pitch ( midfield ). I'm happy that I heard it from here too
@dieselramonsting8881
@dieselramonsting8881 Жыл бұрын
Been waiting on a video on this topic for a while, and it did not disappoint 👌
@FireFist217
@FireFist217 Жыл бұрын
Jon thanks for the great explanation . Can you add some counter measures to the box-midfield that teams are playing this season mr. editor ( i could not figure out who was the video editor for this video ) - The blinking highlights on the positional lines looks much better than drawing lines on the board , looks less cluttered on the board. Nice one 👍👍
@awesimo4684
@awesimo4684 Жыл бұрын
The Barcelona breakdown reminds me of Argentina in the WC final. With Gavi filling Messi's role of dropping into midfield area, and Dembele filling in Di Maria's role of exploiting the space on the opposite side of the pitch.
@hungotuan4431
@hungotuan4431 Жыл бұрын
Tks for the vid!
@Rainstorm121
@Rainstorm121 Жыл бұрын
Thank you very much. That’s very clear and make sense to me. Especially Arsenal, that left defender always move into the middle. 🙏🙏
@denodennis8871
@denodennis8871 Жыл бұрын
Love the tactical analysis. .keep it up following from Kampala -Uganda
@theblaster110
@theblaster110 Жыл бұрын
Really good video. Fully agree with the last statement "just because you create a box midfield doesn't mean you get all the advantages from it", case in point being Leicester from 21/22 and 20/21(not too sure about this one) but i clearly recall Leicester persisting with the box midfield approach with Perez/lookman inverting, tielemans and ndidi in the pivot with Barnes holding the width. Unfortunately, it never worked as they would have liked it to, because they were never able to solve the phase 1-> phase 2 progression problem. Phase 2 being where they would actually reap the rewards of the central overload. It was a fun team to watch, but oh well.
@petereisenhower8089
@petereisenhower8089 Ай бұрын
why couldn't they reap the rewards of central overload? where they not creative enough?
@AManCalledDutch
@AManCalledDutch 25 күн бұрын
@@petereisenhower8089sounds like the defenders and goalkeeper weren’t able to successfully progress the ball consistently enough for them to get into the further phases of play where they would have the advantage.
@celtic69
@celtic69 Жыл бұрын
Love the video but can we please get an analysis into what was in Mr Burns’ mystery box?
@alohatigers1199
@alohatigers1199 Жыл бұрын
Look at Johan Cruyff’s 343 diamond formation when he was Barcelona Manager. If the DM (Guardiola) is marked, that allows the CB (Koeman), the libero, the ball carrier, to carry the ball up the pitch. The DM also can drop deep, which allows CB to push up the DM spot temporarily OR one of the FBs can fill in the spot. The CM can also fill in the DM spot and that allows the FB to fill in the CM spot. Instead of the FB, it can be the wingers and then that allows the FB to push up very high. If the AM is marked by the opposing DM, he can simply move and allow the CF to come and assist or one of the wingers. All 3 attackers are capable of switching positions.
@onarogheneorogun1436
@onarogheneorogun1436 Жыл бұрын
I thoroughly enjoyed the video, very detailed.
@AE01HD
@AE01HD Жыл бұрын
Real Madrid under Zidane also used this, Kroos and Casemiro were the 2 pivots with Kroos and Isco higher and 4 players across the opposition backline when the fullbacks pushed very high and wide.
@yungdkay1008
@yungdkay1008 Жыл бұрын
Well this channel is currently my favourite football analysis channel and I made this decision today after watching this video
@neilsonmartin23
@neilsonmartin23 Жыл бұрын
nice explanation and analysis bro
@ryanschroeder8383
@ryanschroeder8383 7 ай бұрын
What app are you using to show all this? It is awesome information and being able to show it like this is essential
@marioaf85
@marioaf85 Жыл бұрын
Love your wall. Absolutely phenomenal players there and all loved.
@h4mmy191
@h4mmy191 Жыл бұрын
so... basically what barcelona does is basically what italy did at euro2020. Insigne played as a left winger but cut inside and Spinazzola advanced into the space opened by Insigne. basically it's tactics from italy 2020 + tiki-taka
@sebinoplaku1467
@sebinoplaku1467 8 ай бұрын
Great video. And olso the topic is really good. Can you help me to find a projector as you have.?or were can i find the video projector that you have?
@timwright1609
@timwright1609 Жыл бұрын
Quality content as always... Loving the comments section as well
@clobbopus_used_beat
@clobbopus_used_beat Жыл бұрын
Beautifully done
@hb3393
@hb3393 Жыл бұрын
Been doing this on FM since 2011 😎 had a goat 'tower of terror' tactic with 2 CMs 2 CAMS and 2 CFs
@shahnewaz9700kf
@shahnewaz9700kf Жыл бұрын
I love john McKenzie's explanation videos most in this channel:)
@juanfranciscocormick5000
@juanfranciscocormick5000 Жыл бұрын
Great video from the Goblin's Hero. It´s also interesting to analyze these box-midfield tactics when they are used for a specific purpose in one particular game, not only to approach every game, as is the case of the teams you mentioned. I was thinking of Argentina's World Cup semifinal against Croatia, where Scaloni used a box-midfield (Fernández, Paredes, McAllister, and De Paul) expressly to create a numerical advantage and to control Croatia's dangerous midfield trio, and it worked quite well. Also, another team that could have been mentioned is the late Graham Potter's Brighton, with Trossard and March as wing-backs, but I get it is not as popular as the other big teams.
@plasticvision
@plasticvision Жыл бұрын
wow rip graham potter
@juanfranciscocormick5000
@juanfranciscocormick5000 Жыл бұрын
@@plasticvision Now is very unpopular to talk about Potter I know 😂, but that Brighton team was great and used this box-midfield with really good results
@plasticvision
@plasticvision Жыл бұрын
@@juanfranciscocormick5000 haha I agree! I was just making a joke that "late Graham Potter" sound like he died.
@juanfranciscocormick5000
@juanfranciscocormick5000 Жыл бұрын
@@plasticvision Hahaha sorry, my English obviously is not the best 🤣
@plasticvision
@plasticvision Жыл бұрын
@@juanfranciscocormick5000 haha dont worry your english is very good. my sense of humour not so much!
@exedra8649
@exedra8649 Жыл бұрын
To box or not to box, a very strong battle being made in the minds of tactical analysts like the goblin king.
@rotikaya322
@rotikaya322 Жыл бұрын
You have Chelsea pushing both fullbacks up providing width. Barca pushing one fullback up providing the width, have one winger tucking in and the other fullback stay deep. Man City and Arsenal having both wingers high and wide, one of the fullback invert and the other stay deep. In the end, all have a midfield box 3-2-2-3
@finding_aether
@finding_aether Жыл бұрын
Ancelotti used years ago with AC Milan with his 41221 formation. True legend.
@footballhipstertv
@footballhipstertv Жыл бұрын
Is that the Milan team that had the biggest bottle job in the UCL final of all time
@finding_aether
@finding_aether Жыл бұрын
@@footballhipstertv Ancelotti won 2 UCL with that milan side and won 4 UCL in total. I am sure he won't lose sleep seeing no other manager can match his achievements even Pep who cannot win w/o Messi.
@footballhipstertv
@footballhipstertv Жыл бұрын
@@finding_aether Ancelotti has been managing for 13 years before Pep began managing, and keep in mind there was a 7 year span between his last UCL with Milan and his first UCL with Madrid, and another 9 years before he won the last one. Pep won two at the beginning of his career but he has a looooooong way to go before he gets to Ancelotti's years.. if he manages as long as Ancelotti he'll have 3 more UCLs than him.
@footballhipstertv
@footballhipstertv Жыл бұрын
@@finding_aether Ancelotti was a manager at Juve while Pep was still playing ffs
@finding_aether
@finding_aether Жыл бұрын
@@footballhipstertv the problem is that Messi has won the UCL w/o Pep Pep has not won w/o Messi, even with all the FFP Man cheaty money. Ancelotti has proven he can win UCL with multiple teams and different players. If Ancelotti and his Milan side is a bottle job, should I bring up Pep's various "achievenents" lmao. Be respectful to Don Carlo and you won't look like a fool.
@fernandoa.torres8790
@fernandoa.torres8790 10 ай бұрын
Great video!!! Could we know where to buy a tactical screen as yours?. Thanks!!
@Will49.
@Will49. Жыл бұрын
Am I a tactical footballing nerd if watching these passing pattern and positional play analysis’ excite me 😭
@petereisenhower8089
@petereisenhower8089 Ай бұрын
😂😂😂
@99dndd
@99dndd Жыл бұрын
The Zinchenko example is interesting, especially when you consider the role Rico Lewis has been playing at right back. I wonder if City’s plan was to play a 4-4-2 with the 2 full backs inverting to form a box midfield.
@maciejbala477
@maciejbala477 Жыл бұрын
certainly sounds like a Football Manager tactic to use two inverted wing-backs, I haven't played the newest ones but it used to be the meta, inverted wing-backs were overpowered and I used them all the time
@ioannisteam
@ioannisteam 8 ай бұрын
Hello what’s the software you use about tactical field and players? Thank you
@perfecttrainingbymikikondi6934
@perfecttrainingbymikikondi6934 11 ай бұрын
Great explanation ... thank you ... can I ask what type of tactic board - software you use it for presentation ... thx in advance
@pebofatso
@pebofatso Жыл бұрын
Tuchel really was ahead of his time at Chelsea
@khktgnk57
@khktgnk57 Жыл бұрын
Pedri, who's Barca's most important player, and Dembele were both injured for the United games (Pedri for 75% at least), Gavi was suspended for the second leg and Roberto/Kessie just arent on the sane level. Cant really make too many assumptions off of those games, considering the whole purpose of the box system is to get all the midfielders on the pitch and 50% of them were missing..
@RasDam
@RasDam Жыл бұрын
This reads as though Barcelona played with 9 men...
@jcm9890
@jcm9890 Жыл бұрын
@@RasDam Those tactics are specially custom for those missing players.
@jcm9890
@jcm9890 Жыл бұрын
He also benched Balde and Christensen in the first leg.
@nickd987
@nickd987 Жыл бұрын
utd didnt have martinez and anthony for the first leg, eriksen and martial were injured for both legs , dalot and sancho were missing match fitness. This is how football works friend.
@jcm9890
@jcm9890 Жыл бұрын
@@nickd987 yes, but this video is about box midfield tactics, and they mention in the video Barcelona and Europa League, and how the tactics did not work. But they didnt have the players available to apply it.
@maxwest6595
@maxwest6595 Жыл бұрын
I've used the parallelogram midfield on CM and FM.
@tylerduke5859
@tylerduke5859 Жыл бұрын
Thank you Crab Goblin Hero man
@chrisgapp1521
@chrisgapp1521 Жыл бұрын
It sounded like you were saying united don't use a box midfield? They do. They use the same way as arsenal with a full back. Sometimes they will use weghorst dropping to make the box as well
@nazrulsuani9150
@nazrulsuani9150 Жыл бұрын
Good video!
@user-kj6mv9cw2o
@user-kj6mv9cw2o Жыл бұрын
Really good video
@paulmaher7683
@paulmaher7683 Жыл бұрын
In fifa12 I used to refer to it as a vertical diamond
@tonyfreeman4249
@tonyfreeman4249 Жыл бұрын
Emery was the first to introduce this to the premiership when he was at Arsenal (with overlapping wingbacks) but he used 2 cb's and 2 dm's to create the box.
@ramadhanizzulhaq
@ramadhanizzulhaq Жыл бұрын
Nah it was an ancient formation, to begin with. It was introduced by herbert chapman for arsenal, the identical formation Arteta use today 3-2-2-3. Only 1920s kids will remember
@harryhuish5601
@harryhuish5601 Жыл бұрын
Interesting video, but how do you make a video on a box midfield without mentioning Le Carre Magique - The Magic Square. One of the all time most famous midfield’s in world football!
@brissprilla
@brissprilla Жыл бұрын
arsenal also play with a 2 3 5 in possession a lot. With both full backs coming in to the midfield
@Kimera794
@Kimera794 Жыл бұрын
It's actually a 2/1 FB/2/5 shape with Arsenal. It's a lopsided shape at the back. One FB aligns themselves next to the DM while the other FB positions themselves in a line of their own, and if need be, ready to join either the CBs' line or the DM's line.
@hamzaatta6691
@hamzaatta6691 Жыл бұрын
I don’t know how you did not mention Brighton cause they are brilliant
@Vanguardclass
@Vanguardclass 10 ай бұрын
Could you explain the role of free 8 or the 8/10 hybrid
@prajay9657
@prajay9657 Жыл бұрын
you forgot to talk about how Raphinha, Fati, Torres, etc fit in
@MrRokkit
@MrRokkit Жыл бұрын
*?-1990:* 2 CMs (4-4-2) *2000-2020:* 3 CMs *2020-?:* 4 CMs So I guess the only question is - when will 5 CMs become the meta??
@wojteknagorzanski2893
@wojteknagorzanski2893 Жыл бұрын
The fact that most teams were using the 2-3-5 formation in build-up, which resembles the inverted pyramid, the first formation in history, is really interesting. Moreover, many top teams now tend to use the 3-2-2-3 formation, which resembles the W-M, probably the second historically used formation. Will 2-3-2-3 from Metodo be next used formation?
@JustBalazs
@JustBalazs Жыл бұрын
Actually 2-3-2-3 is a phase when teams build-up into 2-3-5 so it's already in use :D
@IKENNA369
@IKENNA369 Жыл бұрын
Well analysed
@dreamchaser4866
@dreamchaser4866 Жыл бұрын
Roberto Dezerbi's double-box midfield is also another tactical brilliance Which made Brighton unstopable this season .
@sco9616
@sco9616 Жыл бұрын
very interesting video well done. However, if a box midfield is used to get quantitive superiority over the common 3 man midfield, what happens when a box midfield goes against a box midfield? We havent seen arsenal (or man city from what I know) go against Barca recently but if u could do a breakdown of City vs Arsenal recent game and how the midfields interact tactically in this manner that would be amazeballs. Thank you!
@betaman2009
@betaman2009 Жыл бұрын
Arsenal went man to man
@BaBang-
@BaBang- 3 ай бұрын
The point is: be ware of the counter transition, wut needs to be there. Force the counter. Midfielders can go over when it's safe, thus when the opponent is pushed back enough. Defend with the whole build up slow so that your attackrs can fall back if you miss ur first 2 waves of press .
@umarmars47
@umarmars47 Жыл бұрын
Unai Emery too with his Villareal's 4222 that beat Liverpool's 433
@ManUpAlan
@ManUpAlan 9 ай бұрын
This is why I like inverted full backs. Forces teams wide on counters and buys you time.
@nabilbouazza7627
@nabilbouazza7627 Жыл бұрын
Name of the app You're using for analysing please
@nharikrishna7818
@nharikrishna7818 Жыл бұрын
Brilliant tifo
@mohamedamineboukraa4332
@mohamedamineboukraa4332 Жыл бұрын
What is the name of the software you're using please ?
@aseekerfromthewrongside2573
@aseekerfromthewrongside2573 Жыл бұрын
one of the best
@jackurgun452
@jackurgun452 Жыл бұрын
should also mention how brighton is using the box aswell, transforming a 4-2-3-1 to 4-box-2(wingers no 9)
@thevidkoproductions
@thevidkoproductions 8 ай бұрын
it all started with pep at man city yeeears ago, using cancelo or zinchenko and now stones as this pivot
@anasessam2098
@anasessam2098 6 ай бұрын
what is the name of this tactics app??
@morlath4767
@morlath4767 Жыл бұрын
And this is why I love Jon's videos and JJ drives me nuts. Jon does the "ambi-footed" skit quick and then moves back to the topic, letting the humorous situation sit with the viewer. JJ will drive it into the ground and beat it to death with ramblings while taking time away from the tactical discussion.
@sagniksarkar3791
@sagniksarkar3791 Жыл бұрын
Xavi included but not ten hag st range
@killua388
@killua388 Жыл бұрын
Didn't liverpool do this in 2019 where firmino would drop to be basically another midfielder with fab wini and hendeo?
@Machinationstudio
@Machinationstudio Жыл бұрын
Disappointed that the Pedri song didn't insert itself rudely into this video.
@containedhurricane
@containedhurricane Жыл бұрын
The inverted LB tactic is trendy. Man City are using it with their 3-2-4-1, Arsenal have similar formation when they're possessing the ball and Brazil used it in World Cup 2022
@manwhoasked5942
@manwhoasked5942 Жыл бұрын
To add to that list, Real Madrid did that on the games where Camavinga played LB (more due to injury woes rather than for tactical advantage)
@AK-kz8pe
@AK-kz8pe Жыл бұрын
You know Herbert Chapman had an iteration called the WM. Sure the fullbacks driving up becomes a different interpretation but history does repeat
@UnbiasedBayernFan
@UnbiasedBayernFan Жыл бұрын
The idea might be similar but because of concepts like triggered pressing, structured marking and a LOT less time and space on the ball to work with, the execution of the same idea makes it feel like almost entirely a new one.
@stephenkelly4036
@stephenkelly4036 Жыл бұрын
The problem with boxmidfields is simplicity in getting around it. Teams are likely to gamble with a high line defence and passive midfield which will engage at the half way line. Meaning that with two up top playing close to one another you have a direct option with the three centre backs being widely spread out. Should one central midfielder drop deeper to counter this then the numerical advantage is lost and all because of two players simply playing central and close to one another.
@stephenkelly4036
@stephenkelly4036 Жыл бұрын
Alternatively the more attacking full back is pressed aggressively from a midfielder and or a lopsided midfield in the direction of the attacking full back. Yes there is an option to swing to the other full back but this means a far less threatening player is now in possession.
@dranthony1882
@dranthony1882 Жыл бұрын
City also playing this with Stones. Brighton too.
@aaassaeer
@aaassaeer Жыл бұрын
Specifically talking about Barcelona vs United, they missed Dembele and Pedri in both legs. Additionally, Balde and Christensen didn't play the 1st leg. Gavi was unavailable in the 2nd leg. So Barcelona did suffer from not having the personnel to play their typical formation. That's exactly what Ten hag took advantage of in the 2nd leg, since Barcelona didn't have anyone who could force United to stay back and not press high. Overall, the formation has worked wonders otherwise as seen against Real Madrid and other good league teams
@betaman2009
@betaman2009 Жыл бұрын
Pedri played the first leg
@alexcollings4795
@alexcollings4795 Жыл бұрын
Jon is elite
@randomdude8877
@randomdude8877 Жыл бұрын
I live long enough to remember that there was a time where it was all about diamonds, then triangles and now boxes.. I wonder what's next. How about Octagon? Pentagon? or the bestagon Hexagon? Heh
@HUNTER-ci8fq
@HUNTER-ci8fq Жыл бұрын
The classic number 10 will soon come back
@mihirvelapure2258
@mihirvelapure2258 Жыл бұрын
Wonder how long bef the W-M returns and dominates.
@77cc11
@77cc11 Жыл бұрын
software?
@silvesta5027
@silvesta5027 Жыл бұрын
This guy is like Vsauce if he supported Stevenage fc growing up
@NYX_8
@NYX_8 Жыл бұрын
Ten Hag also uses this.
@pozsoz
@pozsoz Жыл бұрын
Nagelsmann also does it with his weird 3-2-4-1 but it seems more chaotic
@zachariaamisi611
@zachariaamisi611 Жыл бұрын
When is the instance when zincheko does invert
@AJD...
@AJD... Жыл бұрын
Ambidextrous is not reserved for hands. It applies to all limbs so you can use ambidextrous for feet as well.
@carljohnson6397
@carljohnson6397 Жыл бұрын
Pochettino was the first prem manager to use box midfield between 2015-2018
@bjarturdc
@bjarturdc Жыл бұрын
What impressed me the most with this video is how the host manages to talk for 9 minutes without taking a single breath. Surely that must be some kind of world record, right?
@manwhoasked5942
@manwhoasked5942 Жыл бұрын
That's a no. There are multiple cuts between the lines, it's kinda obvious. The one thing that's impressive is that they fit good content with multiple examples within 9 minutes, that's actually good.
@andremuller8546
@andremuller8546 Жыл бұрын
There are so many teams that switch to a 3-2-2-3 or a 4-2-2-2 when they have possession of the ball. It's not a new or, let's say, modern content anymore to play with a box midfield. I would even say it is the current state of the art and this is just another video of a tactical expert trying to explain an already obvious content. It would be much more interesting to explain successful approaches of individual teams in order to solve the resulting defensive problems. For example, one could describe the very interesting approaches of supposedly smaller teams such as Eintracht Frankfurt (Glasner) and Atalanta Bergamo (Gasperini).
@jide.a7142
@jide.a7142 Жыл бұрын
Tifo once again coming through with w ball knowledge 🫡
@DT-ip4db
@DT-ip4db Жыл бұрын
3-2-2-3(box midfield) is what Sampaoli had been using it during his recent stints in France and Brazil
@ebola1974
@ebola1974 Жыл бұрын
So basically the AC Milan of late 80's early 90's
@user-qj8ru6le7v
@user-qj8ru6le7v 10 ай бұрын
Declan Havertz and Timber all fit this system. Im excited to see if Arteta can actually fit Timber into his box rather than inverting zinchenko
@appleid4469
@appleid4469 11 ай бұрын
Can i use this video and translate into our language in our community ?
@DANIMAL_GG
@DANIMAL_GG Жыл бұрын
To mention as well, Liverpool have been playing with a box midfield with Trent inverting, likely because everyone is shattered from years of mega high counter pressing. But it's actually not working out for a team built for robust, high pressing counter football, less technical players than required for it and a manager who prefers a more transition based game. Since swapping back to a more counter press side with a false 9 it's become much better for them. I guess though the false 9 in a way creates that 4th man superiority but in a diamond allowing the 2 wingers to go inside more and the full backs to bomb on down.
@alexreese9749
@alexreese9749 Жыл бұрын
It’s the W-M! From way back!
@leeshields1516
@leeshields1516 Жыл бұрын
Why don’t teams just start in a 3-2-2-3? Like why do we call Zinchenko a LB when he is clearly being CDM? I can’t assume it’s defensive shape because I imagine they fall back into some shape of 4-4-2 or 4-5-1 when defending. Just generally curious about how we label formations in the modern game.
@caniblmolstr4503
@caniblmolstr4503 Жыл бұрын
As football is a game of transitions not a static one... There is one formation for when you are in possession, one when defending, one when starting and multiple others... The formation often mentioned is the starting one
@34KellyRED
@34KellyRED Жыл бұрын
The box midfield is a tactic Klopp could use in pre season & next season with Trent going into midfield as part of the 4 man box. It's a tactic which would certainly benefit & rejuvenate Trent imo
@dreamchaser4866
@dreamchaser4866 Жыл бұрын
Klopp tested this in tonight's match against Arsenal😬 Bur unfortunately it failed as Trent is not press resistant .
@kjelvin4593
@kjelvin4593 9 ай бұрын
They need to because they concede lots of goals from counter attacks.
@BaBang-
@BaBang- 3 ай бұрын
No no, I will explain it to u. Use the 343 diamond in this way you have 3 possible defensive mids you are always set for the first waves of tranition. this should always at least be enough to slow them down and give your wingers and cam chance to come back ater (after pressing of course). Worst case scenario. Of course you're playing with 3 attacking midfielders and 1 midfield sweeper who needs to pick lose balls in transition that the mids leave but they are not allowed to. Lose balls are being left only by attackers thus all 4 midfielders are risponsible of course they are creating the overload so u want them to arrive between the lines, that means only the lam can go so that the other cover. Yes the rb can go forward this is when the rcm drops deep and cover yet again the rb will be chased so that means the rcm can apply press on transition. If you pass to the cam he can pass back to the lam and you are home free.
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