Brazilian here. Just explaining about The Pelé thing (sorry for any English mistakes): 1.The “almost 1300 goals thing” is not a thing to be taken as, how could I say, “scientifically serious”. You see, Pelé claimed that scored more than a thousand goals, Romário scored his claimed 1000 goal ten years ago, and I’ve heard that it looks like Puskas and Gerd Muller also scored almost as much goals as him; but if you take the “scientific” research and counting official numbers, the number of these legend goals are cut in hundreds. You see, take Pelé as example: the guy even counts the numbers of his goals when he played for the Brazilian Army Team! An Army Team! Even myself didn’t know the Army had or has a team! Of course such numbers could not be official! The number of goals is not a “this is serious, he officially scored those goals and I’ll die saying this”; it’s just a curious thing that was said so many times that people even don’t care anymore and they just keep saying! It’s like saying Methuselah really lived 969 years: of course this could not be taken as serious, but if you ask anyone they will keep saying such thing and no one will care! (If you wanna go deeply in such matter, search for the controversy and mystery of a Brazilian legend called “Friendreich” - although I don’t know if there will be many English sources about him) 2.Now let’s go for the regional league goals thing, and for those who are not Brazilian or don’t know about Brazilian football history, be prepared because this will sounds interesting, funny and unbelievable for European’s standards or, more than everything, by today’s standards. Let’s begin from the top until we reach the bottom: 2.1. Pelé did very greatly in big competitions. He made 12 goals in World Cups, lifting the trophy for three times (a record); for Taça Brasil and Taça Roberto Gomes Pedrosa, considered the National League for the 60’s, he lifted the trophy six times (I think this is a record in national leagues for a single player, as far as I remember), and he was one of the top scores in those competitions (but there were very few games in those leagues and Santos did not play all the editions, so don’t expect some “godly-magical” numbers)… 2.2.And Pelé won ten São Paulo State Championships, and was top-scorer for 11 times; on 1958, with 17 years old, he achieved the record for one edition, with 58 goals scored; and he is, of course, the top-scorer of all time. That’s it. Ha! You must be asking me: hey, what about a very big competition, Champions League-tier, like Libertadores, huh? And you come talking to me about an State Championship? So… Be prepared; here is the most curious lesson about Brazilian history football today, young Padawan: 2.2. First, you need to understand that São Paulo State Championship was (and it is, even today) the strongest State Championship in Brazil. There are the Big Four teams that you probably heard somewhere: Corinthians, Palmeiras, Santos and São Paulo. But aside from these well-known teams, there another clubs, that a Brazilian traditional football fan would kill you if you say that they are “small clubs”, because they were really strong back there: Guarani (today they are in Brasileirão Second Division, sad), Portuguesa (a even more sad case than Guarani today), Ponte Preta (this one is in the Brasileirão First Division, and is a hard opponent) and some other “smaller” clubs that ALWAYS were a pain in the ass to face; today and back there, the São Paulo State Championship is, unlike Rio de Janeiro State Championship for example, in which you always know that one of the big four (Botafogo, Flamengo, Fuminense and Vasco) will win, a hard competition to get through; in fact, my team, São Paulo , three-times Libertadores champion, six-times Brasileirão champion, was eliminated this year butchered for 4-1 by a new team called Audax! What the hell is an “Audax”? 2.3. So… the “big competitions” like Libertadores thing. In fact, looking from our point of view today, Libertadores was probably the biggest thing above an State Championship that time (I don’t count Taça Brasil - which Pelé won five times - as a “real threat” for Santos great team and Pelé because there were very few games and you only played with real big teams in the semi or the finals; sorry Santos fans). But I repeat: this is for TODAY’S POINT OF VIEW. Open a Wikipedia page about Libertadores and take a look at the champions of the tournament. You’ll notice something: only from 90’s you’ll see a lot of Brazilian teams becoming champions or almost getting there. That’s because here is the surprise: Brazilian teams didn’t care “too much” - unlike today - in winning the Libertadores back there. It was a great title, for sure, but not “oh my God, this must be our goal this year”. In Pelé’s time, Brazil won three times the World Cup with their players playing in Brazilian clubs; with a great quality inside Brazil, one should think by that time: “why should I care winning other things when the real competition is here?” - yes, it could be a egoistical thought, but it was not hard to think about it. And with the inexistence of a “real” challenging national league, what remains? YES, that’s it! No, don’t laugh my European friends. I know it sounds funny to think that some Bayern München would rather win Bavaria Championship instead of the Champions League or Barcelona win the Catalonia League instead of the Champions League; but it was pretty much what there was to offer for Pelé in his time. Hey, but it was not a small thing; if you read well, you may now put the pieces together: an State Championship with real difficult rivals and the biggest thing to win with their clubs for those skilled players, REALLY made winning the São Paulo State Championship a great thing for Pelé and for very other players; that’s why Pelé’s record for Santos in such competition is considered a great one. NOTE: if you still in doubt about how much of a “thing” was an State Championship back there, ask a Corinthians fan about the 1977 São Paulo State Championship. Man, you’d be the responsible for some tears here.

Pele is a fraud, and stupid people say that he is the king of football. They need a reality check... He isn't even top 20 greatest in brazil lol let alone of all times

Pele isn't a fraud, he is the greatest player to grace football.

Pele... Brazil's top scorer and Santos top scorer of all time? 77 goals in 91 appearances for Brazil, and 541 league goals isn't something to look light upon. He also played with the New York Cosmos and managed MVP.

Yes sure, weak teams like Gylmar dos Santos's Corinthians, Djalma Santos's Portuguesa, Mauro Ramos's Sao Paulo or Felix Mielli's Nacional. He also won 3 world cups, one of them at the age of 17

+Football Daily Santos used to play a lot of friendlies indeed. That's because Santos lived from selling tickets (we are talking about the 60's, right?), and to play Libertadores (for example) they had to pay for the trip and hotels, so they used to take it as money loss. Santos then used to offer friendlies to the world and promote their tours, so Santos could play against their teams. Santos was the base of a 3x world champion team in 4 WC's, it was not exactly cheap to keep a team like that, what do you think? A little bit of research would show you. What is shocking, is that it was the very SAME to many clubs, INCLUDING IN EUROPE. I don't know how you miss that. If you won't count friendlies, you won't count numerous matches against Milan, Benfica, Internazionale, Juventus, Atletico de Madrid, Anderlecht, Boca Juniors, Colo-Colo, Lyon, Olimpique, Saint-Etienne.. the list goes on and on. We won't even tell about the tournaments (usual at the time) promoted by cities or teams, but just put a list of the English teams Santos faced during the time: Aston Vila, Barnsley, Bradford City, Chelsea, Coventry City, Everton, Fulham, Newcastle, Porthsmouth, Plymouth Argyle, Sheffield Wednesday, Stoke City, West Ham e Wolverhampton Wanderes. Santos could be easily be declared champion of the english league. So even with all of these being friendlies, their goals wouldn't count for someone's career? Why you feel comfortable to put in your context Pelé's numbers, but ignore the context of what was THE SPORT at the time? About *regional* tournaments. Well, they were CLASSIFICATORY TOURNAMENTS to the nationals. So if you didn't win the regional championship, you wouldn't PLAY the nationals. BTW, how many matches Pelé played in the nationals (to score that many less goals), you didn't mention. "Brazilians love to talk about the 1000 goals"? Well that's because we know how things used to work in here, and you don't. We recognize the context of the time before give an opinion, something that is YOUR JOB to do. I guess you are TOO misinformed. You have a FOOTBALL CHANNEL, but doesn't know the history of the sport? I saw in the comment session you asking: "what is the biggest fraud in football's history?" I guess the answer is YOU.

No matter what is said Pele is always gonna be one of the best players ever to step foot on a football pitch

higuita is not a fraud bro

most of you didn't even watch Pele play and you are calling him a fraud

Manager: Wenger 😂😂😂

Taking into consideration that back in the 50's-70's when Pelé played Brazil won 3 World Cups, Brazilian players very rarely transfer internationally, and talent has often been centered in two states (Rio and São Paulo) saying Pelé played against weak competition is a very uninformed assumption. Moreover, historically, the Brazilian league is a lot more evenly matched than most european major leagues. The Premier League by example had only 5 different champions in the last 20 years, and that is including the surprising title by Leicester City last year, La Liga also only had 5 different champions in the last 20 years. The same regional tournament mentioned in the video ("Campeonato Paulista") has been won by 6 different teams in the last 20 years, the Brazilian League had 10 different champions. Finally, Pelé had success in 2 Intercontinental Cups, 2 Libertadores and 3 World cups. Although in 1962 he had very little impact, it is almost impossible to argue against his success against top competition, both in the club and national levels, not many players, if any, can compare individually, and collectively on both levels. Often he has exaggerated his accomplishments, and has been a controversial figure even in his home country, but calling undoubtly one of the greatest footballers ever a fraud is at the very least silly If you don't believe me, just look up quotes from players who played with him, against him or that saw him play. Guys like Puskas, Cruyff, Fontaine, and Sir Bobby Charlton were just some to sing praises about Pelé skills as a player. But who knows? Maybe we know better than some of the greatest to ever play the game.

stop trying to make what higuita did v England seem like it's unimpressive

After watching that maybe I should change this photo

Campeonato Paulista were huge at the time. In fact, some tournaments such as this were recongnized as a National title.

Ur channel is awesome

You guys are the best football daily #RoadTo1Million

Are you seriously comparing Pele to Olivier Giroud?

CAMPEONATO PAULISTA is not a "regional competition", its the state championship and also one of the oldest and most traditional PROFESSIONAL football championships in Brasil. And also, there was no brazilian league and several competitions existed during that period, which doesnt mean that those games were friendlies, those tournaments most of the times included the biggest teams in the world with the likes of real madrid, juventus and many other brazilian or international sides.

if the brazilian national league didnt exist during pele's time, it only means that the good players were actually playing in those local leagues. and these messi and cryuffs havent been able to win three world cups, or make it a habit of scoring hatricks in every match they played(and i'm a messi fan).

Man. I canr deny pele goes again weak teams to score those 1000+ goals. But look at his international achievement man. He was the best at international standards. Winning the world cup thrice. How can we not compare him to Cruyff and messi

Pelé scored 5 goals at the WC in 1958 when he was just 17 ...

Hey Hey that local competition called CAMPEONATO PAULISTA with all those weak teams (Palmeiras, Corinthians, São Paulo...) was just the base along side with CAMPEONATO CARIOCA, another ridiculous local championship, featuring another weak teams(Flamengo, Vasco, Fluminense...) for Brazil's National team.Yeah, that one that won the world cup 3 times.You should do more research You know.I dont know about You europeans but local competitions here have always been very important.

Ur so near a million keep it going be content is epic

Let me remind people how Higuita did not only do this in the match against England, but various others: Romania, Yugoslavia, etc... but the one on England is the most known because of the danger that was being imposed by the player.

Pelé is @ 8:55

pele got more world cup than England lol

Pele 760+ goals are official and from Fifa known. Then 1280+ goals are official + friendly matches. At that to bring Pele to play with your was a hounor and they battled for him. It is a fact that he played 38 games with Italian teams and scored 41 goals, not normal italian teams with the best that can allow the luxus to bring they from brasil. And he wasnt a forward he was a playmaker. Some stats say that he maybe has more than 1000 assist. In the time of Pele there wasnt a yellow or a red card this made defending more easy and rude, only in WC 1970 yellow and red cards were given. He was only 17 year old when he won the WC 1958 and scored 6 goals in just 4 games, 2 stuninng goals in final. A another fact is that if Ballon d'or was for all in that time bot only for european players Pele must have 7 ballon d'or, 4 of them at age 17 and 21.

Typical English "he was just showing off"Albert can you pass me a chocolate biscuit

Bro he’s just talking about all his goals of his life (pele)

"Pele did play in farmer's league". This is BY FAR, the worst argument against Pele, simply because state-level tournaments in Brasil, throughout the 50s, 60s, and even late 80s were not weak, on the contrary, in fact, some of them (São Paulo, Rio de Janeiro, Minas Gerais and Rio Grande do Sul) were very strong. First of all, Brazilian football was much stronger then, since almost all Brazilian players would remain in the country. Imagine if Neymar, Coutinho, Marcelo, Firmino, Casemiro, Gabriel Jesus, Paulinho, Thiago Alcantara, Thiago Silva played domestic. The 1958 team? All of them played locally. 1962 team? 1970 team? 1950 second place team? Yeah, you got it. And I'm not talking only about first class players in Spain, England, Germany or Italy. Imagine if the hundreds of Brazilian players in Portugal, Ukraine, Japan, Turkey, Russia were playing in Brazil. That was the situation until late 80s. It's also important to notice that Brazil is a huge continental country. There wasn't a national organized tournament until late 60's. State level tournaments were by far the most important events. It must be said that some of Brazilian states are as big as most of European Countries, but football is historically centered on a few of those states. São Paulo and Rio de Janeiro were the main ones, with Minas Gerais and Rio Grande do Sul on close second. In the 1958 team there were 10 players from São Paulo (from 5 different teams), and 12 players from Rio (from 5 different teams). 1962 had 13 from 4 different teams from São Paulo. 1970 team had 11 players from Sâo Paulo (from 5 different teams); If you take a list of teams with most National Champions from the 60's until now, first, second, fourth and fifth places are teams from São Paulo - Palmeiras, Santos, Corinthians and São Paulo FC. All of them, by the way, are also multiple Copa Libertadores Champions. Not to mention medium level teams with multiple second place and third place national honours like Portuguesa, Ponte Preta and Guarany (1978 national champion), that were also playing on São Paulo. Teams from São Paulo have more National Trophies than teams from all the other states combined. So, HOW, HOW, HOW can you say that the São Paulo State was not a very strong Tournament, with FOUR high level teams and a number of medium level teams?!?!?! It was strong! Pele was playing against some of the best! Pele's team, Santos, was playing against some of the world's best players, and beating some of Brazil's best teams. It´s foolish to compare those Brazilian state-level tournaments with German ones. They are not the same. Nowadays, people forget this, cause the National Tournament is well established, but simply put. State-level Tournaments WERE the most important tournaments throughout the 50's till the 70's. And you know what? THE SAME IS HAPPENING RIGHT NOW IN EUROPE. Imagine this: São Paulo is roughly the size of the UK and has/had 4 high-level teams, Minas Gerais, with two high-level teams, is the size of Spain, Rio has/have 4 high-level teams, Rio Grande do Sul have/has 2, and so on. Those states had very strong state-level championships. One day, they decided to create a strong National Tournament and, little by little, those strong state tournaments begin to shrink. 40 years later, we are calling them "farmer's league" Well, Spain has 2 (maybe 3) strong teams; England has 4, Germany has 2, Italy I don't know anymore, 2 or 3. There are always plans for a Europe League, with all of them. Imagine if little by little they begin to abandon the domestic league in favor of this new continental one. 40 years from now, there will be people saying that Messi or Ronaldo or Muller played in a farmer´s league.

Pele was crowned a legend by people of HIS time. We didn't look at stats and say oh shit. If people back then thought 500 friendly goals were quality then he's a legend. If today's Real Madrid played a friendly against LA Galaxy, the american team will treat it as the World Cup final no matter what. So if Pele is traveling the world destroying crap competition who wants a piece of the "Legend" doesn't that make him truly legendary?

Pele done it at World Cups, international football was the elite stage back then.

pele has 77 goals in 92 games in international level and he was not even forward 🤔

well, this was quite educational and fun until it got to a totally baseless attack on Pele. his scoring average may not have been as high as some others', but first of 34 in 84 is still impressive, second he was very young even when winning his first World cup(actually, i trust he's the only player to win three of those), he was fantastically skilled, extremely instrumental to his teams, and a great ambassador of this sport. and what do you think, other greats don't score against 'inferior' opposition? actually, for players of Messi's stature almost all opposition is inferior! and speaking of the 'devil', which i say jokingly cause i got no problems with Messi whatsoever, he's not won a single World cup yet. and neither had Cruyff and many other greats

Nice vid

The fact Higuita did it when he knew it was offside is better than risking it.

I can't agree on Pelé being that bad as you make him to look. He was very good in the world cups. I think there are clips of him nutmegging Beckenbauer.

Imagine calling Pele, the youngest player to win a World Cup, 3x World Cup winner, Brazil's leading scorer and one of the greatest ever a fraud

Ja prevejo os Brasileiros putos da vida.Pele pode ter muita coisas de ruim fora do campo e também pode ter chegado aos 1000 gols com jogos amistosos, mas farsa ele não era, pelo menos dentro de campo não!

thats bullshit both are yes in the poll...

Hey guys! I love your channel but I have to disagree about the whole calling Pele a fraud thing. I think it just shows that you guys have very little knowledge about the structure of brazilian football back then. Brazil is HUGE and as we didn't have an organized brazilian championship in the past, the regional leagues were incredibly strong. Sao Paulo state, where pele played is bigger than England in size, and back then the number of incredible teams we had playing these tournaments were insane. So, it sounds like an alien concept for anyone who is european, but regional tournaments in Brazil were hard and had incredible players (sone of them brazilian legends) so, scoring a lot of goals in those was definitely not easy. In Sao Paulo there are basically 4 big teams: Corinthians, Sao Paulo, Palmeiras and Santos. And many teams that are smaller but would be very good as well, back in Pele times. As you spoke about Messi (who, by the way, I agree it's a genius), compare this to the spanish league that has some good teams but let's be honest: it's either real madrid or barcelona (maybe atletico madrid) that wins the tittle EVERY SINGLE YEAR, unless something crazy happens. My point is: the brazilian regional leagues were very strong in the past, with at least 4 big teams in the big states that were serious contenders to win the tittle and players that were great (the good brazilian players stayed in brazil back in the time). So, don't call Pele a fraud. I think it just undermines your credibility as a football channel.

You called pele a fraud while maradona scored many goals with his hand

nice video

pretty good:)

77 goals in 92 full international games also PELE

you just need to watch all of peles world cups to see how good he was

Are You guys really telling me that Pelé is a FRAUD?!?!??,YOU IS A FRAUD

Look, I understand what you mean about Pele's goals vs local competition. Sports are subjective when it comes to competition but at the end of the day, a soccer ball going through a net = a goal. There's no other definitive explanation from it. If you play any other sport like basketball, a bucket is a bucket no matter how bad or good a team is; if the game is official then it should be included.

inclusion of Pele is just outrageous...idiotic

I'm supposed to be playing Game of War but this one player keeps kicking my ass

good vid

Pelé won a world cup at age 17 as the man of the team... the two world cups he was suposed to play at his peak 62 and 66 he was removed from the cup by the oposition brutally in a era where red cards where not a thing... as for the regional cup campeonato paulista... the state of sao paulo in population and territory is and was since then bigger than most contrys in europe... yes it was a easier legue than the brasilian national league... but it was a era where most players played their carrers in their home country... that national league was harder to win a game in than any olther league in the world just imagine how a brasillian league would look like today if every brasilian player in europe still played here

Wow... calling Pelé a fraud is an incredibly baseless argument. The Campeonato Paulista might be a regional tournament, albeit one that includes 4 of the best teams in Brazilian history. Just saying that his opposition was weak at the time doesn't make it a fact. Many of Brazil's legends played in Brazil, and against Pelé throughout his career. Brazilian footballers didn't go to Europe like they do today. The Brazilian National Championship was only established in 1971 and Pelé retired in 1974, he played in the Championship only for a brief period and it was already the twilight of his career, that's why his goal conversion was so low. Furthermore, teams didn't only play "small" regional tournaments. Pelé played in the Campeonato Paulista, the Torneio Rio-São Paulo (tournament with teams from the state of São Paulo and from the state of Rio de Janeiro, which means teams like: Santos, SPFC, Corinthians, Palmeiras, Fluminense, Vasco, Botafogo, Flamengo - some of the greatest teams in the history of Brazil), the Copa Libertadores ("Champions League" of South America), the Campeonato Brasileiro (the Brazilian Championship - late in his career), the World Club Championship, the World Cup (which he won three by the way), and more. You guys could've at least watched some highlights of Pelé... Comparing him to Giroud and saying that he's not on the same level as Messi and Cruyff is just ignorant. Hey, you're allowed to compare Messi's goals in friendlies with Pelé's, we don't mind. Please do your research before making a video calling players frauds, quite a big allegation, especially when it is so unmerited. Here is a link to an article by a very respected Brazilian sports journalist, Juca Kfouri, comparing Pelé and Messi, which is aimed at those who've never seen Pelé play and make crazy allegations. blogdojuca.uol.com.br/2012/03/aos-que-nao-viram-pele-e-falam-tanta-bobagem-sobre-ele/ -- Though it is in Portuguese, I'm sure it should be quite straight-forward to translate it. +Football Daily hopefully you guys will read this comment.

even if some of peles goals went proper goals he still scored them during games

Pele great player who won world cups playing in a Great team in a era where there wasnt much of an opposition. and most of his goals scored against teams that would struggle in the championship let alone premier league.

Even though it was offside, Higuita showed his class. He is not a fraud man

Pele is god

In the premier league era worst finish of Manchester United under Sir Alex was 3rd and their best finish after he left is 4th is this fact enough to say that all the success United have is credited to their greatest manager?

Pele also scored these goals when the offside rule didn't exist yet

50k to go ladsss!!!!!

Name me one other player that has won three FIFA world cups? Pele's goals tally may be inflated but the man still has three times as many world cups as England!

Yeah Pele is a Fraud, 3 WC, top goal scorer, yeah the 1000 goals it's bs, and? he still the best player the world ever had who saw him live, or played against confirms, why people on the internet know more? wtf

A goal is a goal no matter the opposition or type of match

Kids that know nothing about football, compare people that invented plays with people that grew up watching them... what a shame, Pele, Zicco, Maradona, Rossi and many other cannot be compared to modern football. they were great before modern football existed. Every era has its heroes.

Good question: Where is Neymar's transfer fee?

What a bunch of rubbish. you forgot to say that the Campeonato Paulista, or the local tournament that Pele played, has the four best teams in Brazil. Look at the Premier league it only has 4 good teams and the rest is rubbish. Do your research

Campeonato Paulista is the Sao Paulo state championship, where teams like Corinthians, Palmeiras and Sao Paulo plays, and Sao Paulo state is bigger than Uruguay, Netherlands and Belgium for an example. On that era Palmeiras and Santos were top 10 teams in the world, easily.

Still don't understand how Higuita is a fraud just because the cross England put in was offside..

Pele? Are you lot mad. Didn't u see what he done on the international stage. Football was different then, by the time the official league in Brazil started Pele was a lot older..

I wanna see them confront Pele with this information, they'll be a laughing stock

Pele aint a fraud but him scoring that many goals is like Wilt dropping 100 points, Russell win 13 titles and Jabbar scoring 38,387 points. Saying nobody comes close to Pele as a player is just stupid. Statistics shouldnt be even used for things like that, especially when the people are from totally different era.

When you said about Pelé that a lot of games were against weak teams, the afirmation is not true. Even when were friendly matchs, many of the opponents was great teams. Santos (Pele's team) made tourings in Europe, participate of tournaments in South America as well, against great teams. About the Paulista Championship this tournment still exists. Today doesn't have the same relevance than it was since it was created until the middle of 80s. But despite the main national league in Brazil, created in the early 70s, the "Campeonato Brasileiro" (Brazilian Championship), the Paulista Championship still have importance and remain very relevant. It's a regional tournment, and remember that Brazil is a country with almost the same size of Europe. Brazil have almoste 27 regional tournments, one for each state (each state is like a province), the Campeonato Paulista always were one of the most influential. Imagine one regional tournament in Brazil as one national championship on a country of Europe. Of course not all of then are not like in Europe, specialy at level of organization. But each of one have its importance, and it is very relevant in a country, like Brazil, that loves the football and giv it a huge value. When this channel, that I really admire, does an affirmation that Pele's 1000 goals wer a fraud. Its sounds like a big mistake and a injustice as well. Seems like the South americans teams has no importance in world wide football. The tournments are weak? Are you serious? I live in Brazil, a country that I realy agree that many politicians are corrupts. But football is not fake here!!! In the past when Pele still played football, the teams were very competitive. And still remain. Looks like the only place where the football is significant is in Europe. I totally not agree with the rank of this video. Where the most of the participants they were real frauds. All the 1000 goals (scores) they were authentic. Even that oponents of Santos , if they were weaks, or the team of Santos was in fact a very strong team, there was not fraud in the games. You all of Football Daily should apologise about this video. I'm don't speak in English, and at least try to read and hear in this idiom. I spended almost one hour writing this, but I could not stay with not comment about this. Sorry about the language errors or mispellings.

The campeonato paulista was hardly an easy tournament in the 50s and 60s. Yes, it's a regional, but remember that São Paulo os the size of spain, and most of Brazils top teams and players played there.

The early bird gets the worm remember that and have a blessed day everyone

According to me Pele played as a midfielder during your low rate of goals per fame. The machtes also degreased with goals when he scored during friendlies.

Pele was a great player , and without a doubt he was one of the bests. He's numbers might be inflated or the teams he played might not be the best ones... But don't forget what he won with Brazil , I mean , how can you say he is a lie ? I think Ronaldo and Messi are the best players ever , the football nowadays is more competitive and more exigent and the level is waaay higher but what he did should not be looked without reapect. When you talk about football you have to talk about Pele

Pele is not a fraud

what about how pele did at the world cups

While pele did score almost half of his goals from friendlies, it was before leagues were implemented in brazil, so friendlies were probably played more and less official games were played. Current stars have their friendly goals counted towards their national total anyway otherwise players like neymar and messi would not even have 20 total international goals, let along 50. Brazil was full of talents back in pele's time so not all the teams he played against were weak.

My inner cr7 fan boy came out when you said "messi and cruyf" instead of "messi and ronaldo"

Pele is a legend, r u lot all high

Who do you think is the BIGGEST fraud in football history?!

That scorpion kick though; if only joe could do that.

Hedley Verity, famous Cricketer, died in 1939 whilst serving with the British Army. I twas massively bad for moral. Following that move, it was decided that sportsmen of a high standard should not be sent on active service abroad as the gain from their service would be outdone by the loss of moral if they died. Many famous footballers spent World War II on home defence and domestic duty, many of them in North West England, which is why clubs close to military basis, like Blackpool, benefited not only immediately post war from players who played for them, but also for years to come as national service players would be sent to the north West to do their service. It is not some horrid fraud that Alf Ramsay spent the war in this country, neither was it extra-ordinary for many players who lost some of their career during the war to attempt to prolong their post-war careers.

Higuita is a fraud for what? wtf is this video?

Like and your respective team will win their leauge!

Due Pele played ages ago... back then teams werent that skilled and football was pretty backwards but now its not like that.

how can a team be without its manager? it has to be arsene wenger who does absolutely fxxk-all for ten years and somehow managed to convince the board to keep renewing his contract

Messi and his taxes? 😂

So bullshit, pele his 3 World Cups, 2 International Cups, 2 Libertadores Cups, Top Scorer of the Brazilian National football team with a strike rate of 0.84, 12 goals and 10 assists in 12 World Cup matches, 1970 WC top-scorer, are because he was a mediocre striker.

How can Rene hegiutas save be an offside the shot was taken from free kick watch the clip and see for yourself

Pele was a great player - but a lot of his stats are misleading. Like the goals - and some people say hat brazil never lost a match with him - but it was actually when he and someone else played alongside each other i think. but don't get me wrong he was a legend and scored a brilliant goal in the world cup final

This video is so stupid about Pele's position. It's so wrong and biased. Let me explain why. 1) About Campeonato Paulista: Your statements about it being a "regional" league and that he scored against "weak" teams is absolutely idiotic. Sao Paulo state nowadays has the same population of spain, it's not a small reality. Back then had great population too. So that league was not a small reality and played so many players from that National Team that won 3 world cups. So... weak teams? You have weak teams everywhere. Stupid statement. 2) About Pele's scoring rate getting lower. You're talking about 1971. When he was 31. A player that always suffered from serious injuries and in a time where athletic performance was very important(with that kind of ball and in those fields). If you check, in those same years, his goal scoring rate was low ALSO in the Campeonato Paulista in the same years you're talking about that low rate. So he got low socring rates EVERYWHERE, because he wasn't anymore in the greatest shape(and not so motivated since, you know, won EVERYTHING). If you check his statistics when he was younger, you'd see that he had impressive goal scoring rates ALSO in the Torneio Rio(with Sao Paulo AND Rio states together, where he scored 49 goals in 53 matches, yeah, pretty impressive) and in the Taça Brasil, where played all the greates brazilian clubs of the NATION(there he scored 30 goals in 33 matches, impressive, huh?). So, please. I know you're probably not liking pele for some reasons, but don't do idiotic statements and think about his national team statistics and the importance of that Campeonato Paulista in THAT time. Talking as you did is a bit ignorant. Pele deserves being in the same level of Messi and Cruyff and maybe even higher. Comparing him to Giroud is simply ridiculous.

Pelé has 3 times more world cup titles than England.. how is he a fraud?

No 17 year old Pele went to the 1958 World Cup age only 17. He played in only four games yet scored 6 goals and all the goals were scored in the last three games. 1 in the Quarter finals, 3 in the Semi Finals and 2 in the finals too become the tournaments 2nd top goal scorer, runner up only to Frances "Just Fontaine" who scored 13 goals (still a world cup record). In other words he didn't score any goals in the group stage (the easiest stage) where the tournaments leading strikers tend to score most of their goals, he scored all of his goal in the three most important, most demanding rounds of the most important completion in all of world sport. Few if any will ever do that again and certainly not aged 17. 75% of Peles games were not recorded yet his compilation videos are as good (arguably better) than compilation videos of his modern day rivals ( Ronaldo, Ronaldinio, Neymar, Messi and Maradona etc). Every comparative games these Morden plays have ever played right there in those compilations videos, their best goals best skills best moments. Forget 75%, its likely that not even 5% of what they did on a professional playing field has not been recorded. Unlike Pele, their compilation videos tell the complete story, there's no missing footage (or at least not much). Today young players can study in detail the individual moves of the greats and then practice them to perfection. Pele played in an era when you had to learn football the hard way by picking up footballing lessons here and there (in dribs and drabs).

English people speaking about Pelé, what a joke. Campeonato Paulista was one of the strongest in Brazil, a country with a continental size. Sao Paulo state is twice the size of Portugal. It might be true that a big part of his goals came from friendlys, but that doesn't change the fact that he won 3 world cups playing against all of europe national teams. Please ask Bobby Charlton or Beckenbauer if they think Pelé is joke. Again, English people think they know a lot about football, but forget that they only been in 2 world cups semi finals and never in Euro final. Look at your own belly before talking about a legend like Pelé.

"Pele is a fraud" AYEEEEE SUREEEE MATE

and messi definitely doesn't come up against utter shit in la liga

There still are weak teams in Campeonato Paulista, but it is the one with the biggest competitive level of that time in Brazil. And, anyway, what about the world cups? Pelé is not as good as Messi, but he played in a different era and is worth of his fame.