Ford 300 HYBRID LS CYLINDER HEAD - All Welded plus Mock-Up! Part 2

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Ford 300 HYBRID LS CYLINDER HEAD - All Welded plus Mock-Up! Part 2

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Tall Garage

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@TallGarage Жыл бұрын

part 3 kzfaq.info/get/bejne/gJ59fdGQ05yyYac.html

@wintonhudelson2252 Жыл бұрын

I wish someone would cast a head like this for 300 sixes. I'd buy one.

@TallGarage Жыл бұрын

maybe one day

@godsowndrunk1118 Жыл бұрын

There was a guy working on a head for the 240/300 , but he was also building a head for the 144/250 Falcon six. He was just starting sell the revised Falcon head with a separate intake and larger ports/valves, when he died. Someone bought the the rights and casting molds from his family and is selling them again. The big six head never made it past mock up stage, and I don't believe it was going to be a cross flow.

@QuiltingJeri Жыл бұрын

Ford did, as a in house project. It was a decent cross flow head for the 300 then they scrapped the whole idea and it never made it to market. A couple dozen made it out the back door and now bounce around between a handful of drag racing guys. Given the costs involved when they pop up. Modified V8 heads are the way to go. I enjoy seeing LS 300 head swaps. I am also looking forward to Blueprint Engines new LS head 4cyl.

@godsowndrunk1118 Жыл бұрын

@@QuiltingJeri Wasn't the UPS 300 head a cross flow? I know there was something special about them.... don't quite remember what. I do know UPS wouldn't sell them to the public after they retire them.

@godsowndrunk1118 Жыл бұрын

I first saw this done several years ago by a racer for his 300 powered Falcon ....he had sealed the two halfs with JB weld with tubes linking the water jackets. He got it running and it worked, but had water leak issues. I've got a 240 i removed from my 65 Galaxie 500 when I swapped in a 427 FE. I'm planning to put the 240 in my 67 Mustang to replace the very tired 200 six. I've got a set of 5.3 LS truck heads I'd like to do this same swap with. I'd been trying to work out the problem of being able to weld the inside of the water jackets and couldn't get my mind around it....I like your solution of the solid plugs being welded on top and bottom. Before seeing your videos, I'd considered going the three piece route and welding plates in to cover the water jackets. And then linking the water jackets externally with a log manifold. I'm curious to see how you contain the oil when you do the side lifter cover. Ill continue to watch your progress. Good luck.

@TallGarage Жыл бұрын

Thank you for the comment, happy i could give you some ideas for your own project.

@kennethperian4370 Жыл бұрын

Great job showing and telling, I got a 300 Ford I am working on. Hope it turns out good so wish me luck and I’ll see you on the next video have a great one day and well see ya next time see ya bye.

@randallmason9687 11 ай бұрын

I think that Drag Boss Garage on KZfaq had a video on the 300ci six pro stock drag engine. It had sections of Cleavland cyl heads brazed together, and this crazy plate on the side to raise the exhaust ports.

@tedmiko3204 Жыл бұрын

Quite interesting,followig along. Thanks for the details, to assist others in trying.

@Oldford777 Жыл бұрын

Can’t wait to see this thing running! I think I’m gonna try making one for a dirt modified next year out of some square port heads

@TallGarage Жыл бұрын

So square port heads are interested. The LS ones don't fit smaller chambers, I know the 300 has a 4in bore but since the spacing is a little off I worry valves will hit. Definitely check before cutting. Or use LT 5.3 heads

@RoadkillCustoms Жыл бұрын

Great to see an update, Ken! Looking forward to seeing more. P.S. Updating the article now...

@TallGarage Жыл бұрын

Buzz I was just thinking about you 🤣

@thinkingmanhillbilly Жыл бұрын

Your progress looks very good, If I was going to do this I would fit a 3/16" plate inside the cut end to seal the water jacket so you can weld it water tight ant then the weld on the outside would just be structural, and then I would build a water manifold to tie the ends together.

@TallGarage Жыл бұрын

I thought about doing it that way but decided against it.

@randr10 Жыл бұрын

@@TallGarage I like your way better. This way if it leaks you can still touch it up without starting over from scratch. I'm watching another series where they're taking 4-valve heads and mounting them on a 6.8L V10, so they had to graft pieces of multiple heads together to make it happen. They did the plate method and it leaked, now they have to cut them in half again and re-weld, then re-weld the structural areas, then have it re-decked and re-bore the cam journals. This may end up being they need to buy 4 new heads and start over. TL;DR, doing it the plate way ended up being a nightmare that can't be easily fixed. They were ready to put that engine together and run it that day. It's been 3 weeks now and no updates so I'm thinking they're back to square one.

@timothyevans4323 Жыл бұрын

I’m watching this very closely. I am building a hot rod with a 300 and I’d love to have a head like this on it.

@TallGarage Жыл бұрын

sounds like a good project for you to tackle!

@timothyevans4323 Жыл бұрын

I subscribed to your Facebook page. I’m very interested.

@ebinmaine Жыл бұрын

Are you putting it on KZfaq?

@timothyevans4323 Жыл бұрын

@@ebinmaine maybe. I have to find time to build it.

@cam3002 Жыл бұрын

I applaud you for doing something different and interesting. Thinking out loud, I wonder if you can off set the cylinder bore a little to compensate the chamber off set when machining an oversize cylinder?

@TallGarage Жыл бұрын

I was literally thinking the same thing lol Do like a 060 over bore and try to offset it, would want to sonic check I tho. I'll look into when I build a forged short block.

@codycurry6943 Жыл бұрын

im really interested to see the project completed. i was talking to your shop helper last weekend about it lol

@TallGarage Жыл бұрын

If only he would do cool stuff, but all he does is talk. Lol

@itseithergonnaworkoritaint7852 Жыл бұрын

Getting closer, a little bit everyday goes a long way.

@TallGarage Жыл бұрын

10 mins a day is better then nothing.

@itseithergonnaworkoritaint7852 Жыл бұрын

@@TallGarage Yes sir, whatever time you have to either check something off the list or get an item from the list a little bit closer to being checked off all helps to get to the finish line.

@rickybailey7123 Жыл бұрын

Great job your thinking and mine are pretty much the same thats exactly how i would do it !!

@bobbycuesroadhouse2204 6 ай бұрын

Piston ranch built one of these a year ago, cool stuff

@TallGarage 6 ай бұрын

Piston ranch is a good dude, I talk to him here and there, I started mine before him, and his isn't running yet, it's a struggle, but a worthy one

@TallGarage 6 ай бұрын

Biggest difference between his build and mine, I'm showing others the process.

@bobbycuesroadhouse2204 6 ай бұрын

@@TallGarage it’s running now, I just watched it

@TallGarage 6 ай бұрын

@@bobbycuesroadhouse2204 according to him last we talked he was having ECU problems, so it's good he got it figured out

@BookEmDanno16 Жыл бұрын

Just curious how to decided on LS heads. I'd love to see someone recreate Sherman Sligh's Boss 300 by joining six separate segments from Boss 302 heads together. Can you get into why? My understanding is with the right flow you can get 625HP NA. But I don't really know. Thanks for this. Love the content.

@TallGarage Жыл бұрын

The ease of working with aluminum is a big plus and the cheapness of the heads you are cutting up helps as well.

@BookEmDanno16 Жыл бұрын

@@TallGarage what kind of HP do you expect to get? Will you be NA, EFI, Boosted, etc...?

@ebinmaine Жыл бұрын

Those racing engines were a fantastic piece of engineering. A BOSS 302 is very different from the stock production Windsor cylinder head. They're a canted valve style. Very rare. Very valuable.

@ebinmaine Жыл бұрын

Thanks for posting the update. Interesting project that I'm sure will be a good reference point for many people in years to come.

@godsowndrunk1118 Жыл бұрын

The Cleveland heads have a different valve layout and require a custom cam....not cheap. The beauty of using the LS is that the valve order is the same as the Fords , so can use the existing available cams.

@redsmallpox 10 ай бұрын

Чувак ты на 1000% крутой и мне это нравится

@TallGarage 10 ай бұрын

Нет чувак, ты на 1000% крут, спасибо за просмотр!

@RAWRMotorsports 9 ай бұрын

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@TallGarage 9 ай бұрын

Well thanks man

@daledavies2334 10 ай бұрын

Ford 300 cylonder pitch is 4.08" which is 0.040" greater than the LS, SBC and Chev inline six. The LS should fit the Chev sixes fairly well. The bore is a bit smaller than the Ford so really big valves is not an option. Should be able to use the 2.00 intake valves no problem. A 292 with the LM7 heads should be a strong performer with the good port flows.

@TallGarage 10 ай бұрын

you got it.

@deanstevenson6527 Жыл бұрын

Great work..I have a pending Facebook request. Ive always enjoyed your stuff. 🥝✔️

@TallGarage Жыл бұрын

approved !

@Engineerd3d Жыл бұрын

Why not fill the shrouded parts with weld and grind the part that is sticking in the chamber too much. This way you can match the combustion chambers to each cylinder. Should be a fun piece.

@TallGarage Жыл бұрын

thought about that, could be something to look into.

@richardsalazar17 Жыл бұрын

Id like a ls head for my 292 chevy

@TallGarage Жыл бұрын

Cam is the bigger problem.

@pico67ss Жыл бұрын

Were those 5.3 heads or 6.0 if it's 5.3 they were on a .150 smaller bore on the ls you should have plenty of clearance

@TallGarage Жыл бұрын

all cathedral heads are small chamber iirc, the big chambers are on the square port heads.

@ronwhittaker6317 Жыл бұрын

one solution for gaskets is simply to imprint with a thin sheet of brass or copper and transfer the pattern of course this comment is for those that didn't know one could do that. if you have an idea you can bet someone has thought of it first, and you are willing to do the digging, at that point your only job is to improve it if possible,/ don't listen to people tell you,,, you can't do that. That's people that don't want you to do that, if it is made of metal and as long as machining exists I'm here it can be done as long as it is based on the practical arts. with enough matching cutting and welding there is not shit you can't do its how we got to the moon. it took many arts to get there none the less we did it.

@rudyjhughes 6 ай бұрын

Could you bore it and just adjust the head with some chamber work?

@TallGarage 6 ай бұрын

well its already .060 over, you mean offset bore it?

@rudyjhughes 6 ай бұрын

@@TallGarage didn’t realize it was .060 over till later on in the videos . Either way I’m sure that small margin won’t be a big deal. Thiese videos are making it difficult for me to hate fords.

@ronwhittaker6317 Жыл бұрын

so let me get this right, you just drilled and sleeved the jackets to waters tight them?

@TallGarage Жыл бұрын

I mean there was welding involved obviously but yes.

@2HacksGarage Жыл бұрын

Very cool!

@TallGarage Жыл бұрын

share it on your community tab big dog!

@pauljanssen7594 Жыл бұрын

The one thing about the Ford straight 6 cylinder the newer crappy head design supposedly there's three different types of cylinder heads and they all get Flo good. I had one in my shop I get a slight bit of modification on the ports. It seemed to work pretty good.

@TallGarage Жыл бұрын

Promaxx did do a fully CNC ported head that flowed 218 cfm @ .500" lift, not all that great flow numbers for 1500$

@donizer5 Жыл бұрын

Did you ever consider sealing up the end of each head and running two separate heads?

@TallGarage Жыл бұрын

yeah i considered it, decided against it.

@A2ZREY 8 ай бұрын

Is this the 3.6 4 cylinder blueprint made?

@TallGarage 8 ай бұрын

This is a 6 cylinder my dude

@user-pf8xl6mk3n 8 ай бұрын

Would it be worth sand casting a head from scratch

@TallGarage 8 ай бұрын

thats a lot of work, out side of my skill set, but i guess the right person could try.

@leeedwards9994 Жыл бұрын

on the overhang could you not slightly smooth the sharp ridge with a diegrinder ? .... i have some idea about the vital importance of the combustion chamber shape and depth .... was thinking the sharp edge may cause some heating issues ? ......

@TallGarage Жыл бұрын

it could cause a hot spot maybe im unsure i will have to look into it

@paullutherborrow637 Жыл бұрын

Great work mate ! Are you going to get the deck machined ,holes Re drilled and then pressure tested ?

@TallGarage Жыл бұрын

yeah something like that, ill try to pressure check it myself, i got a few ideas

@robertweeks2039 Жыл бұрын

F'n cool man!

@TallGarage Жыл бұрын

Thanks man

@randr10 Жыл бұрын

The only thing I'd be concerned about with the cylinder offset you have here is that the fire ring seals. I'm sure the overhang you have there is not ideal for the location of the combustion chamber, but it's close, so as long as your head gasket seals, you should be good to go there.

@TallGarage Жыл бұрын

it should seal, i cant think of why it wouldnt, who knows tho, we will see.

@randr10 Жыл бұрын

@@TallGarage As long as the diameter of the fire ring gets full purchase on the head it should be fine. That area where the combustion chamber overlaps with the block it's hard to tell from your video how far that goes outside the cylinder bore.