Ford F150 Lightning | The EV That Will Change Trucks

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savagegeese

savagegeese

Күн бұрын

We discuss and review the good and bad of the 2023 Ford F150 Lightning Electric Truck. While Tesla tries to finish the Cyber Truck, Rivian is ramping up production, and Hummer builds a tank, the F150 combines the best of real-world usability that is relevant today. Of course, there is some fine print.
#trucks #cars #EV
Index:
00:00 Intro
00:24 Interior Impressions
2:08 Mechanical Impressions
11:23 Driving Impressions
18:55 Final Thoughts

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@albonfilms
@albonfilms Жыл бұрын
Picked up one of these but lost the house and level 2 charger in the divorce, so I've been living at the jobsite with 0 charge for 6 days now. Rear bench makes a good bed. Wish my marriage had been Ford Tough though.
@The1860th
@The1860th Жыл бұрын
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@TopJoo7
@TopJoo7 Жыл бұрын
😆
@danky-_-stanky4500
@danky-_-stanky4500 Жыл бұрын
Your marriage is literally the definition of Ford Tough. Sorry though hope all works out.
@scottmurphy4946
@scottmurphy4946 Жыл бұрын
Weird she would take the chargers since she is getting plugged into steady
@gappedtoto1663
@gappedtoto1663 Жыл бұрын
Ford is built Ford Proud now.
@awesomedj1112
@awesomedj1112 Жыл бұрын
When I watch other car reviewers, the thought that comes into my head is "I wonder when savagegeese will review this car." I always look forward to your videos more than other channels. I'm still awe struck from the first video of yours that I watched (LFA). It is my favorite car and one of my favorite videos ever. You guys deserve all the success you have yet to achieve and all the success you have achieved so far. Thank you guys for the good content.
@kevinbailey3239
@kevinbailey3239 Жыл бұрын
Just saw another reviewers 'first look' at the Toyota Crown and thought this exact same thing.
@adumbcorolla1370
@adumbcorolla1370 Жыл бұрын
He is called excusesgeese for a reason
@zachg9065
@zachg9065 Жыл бұрын
This actually would be good for the majority of F-150 buyers that use these as daily drivers to work and the occasional trip to the hardware store, charge it at home in the garage and get a full charge every morning, a lot of people don't tow with the normal F-150.
@brandonclark8736
@brandonclark8736 Жыл бұрын
You don't need to tow to need a bed.
@BiffBuffchest
@BiffBuffchest Жыл бұрын
Exactly....and possible tow a boat. I do like that you should be able to use the same stuff(camper shell, bed cover, etc) as it's gas variant.
@Parker53151
@Parker53151 Жыл бұрын
Or buy two gasoline powered Mavericks or Rangers for the same total cost.
@shensley011
@shensley011 Жыл бұрын
@@Parker53151 the pro version is 40,000. That's the one I'm gunning for
@richardnavratil9661
@richardnavratil9661 Жыл бұрын
As someone that bought their very first truck, a used F150 last year, we tow and haul quite a bit. Some short trips, some longer. Ideally, this would be our daily and for the short tows with maybe a gas/hybrid F150 or F250 for longer trips as a loaner from the dealer? That would cover all our bases extremely well, but not really practical for the marketplace.
@morstyrannis1951
@morstyrannis1951 Жыл бұрын
Most private owners of F150s use them to commute, make a run to Home Depot, and take kids to soccer games. It's the gas guzzling family station wagon of the 21st century. This is now the perfect vehicle for them.
@Wasabi9111
@Wasabi9111 Жыл бұрын
Totally agree. I love big cars and always wanted a pickup as my daily driver/family hauler, but I could never justify the horrendous gas mileage. W ev pickups, I’m finally able to justify buying one.
@robdc4829
@robdc4829 Жыл бұрын
Agreed. The automakers say people don't buy wagons. Well, maybe they would if they were not compromised with a stupid slanted roof.
@Mr.Thermistor7228
@Mr.Thermistor7228 Жыл бұрын
lmao what they gonna use to charge the truck in the first place
@tbone0785
@tbone0785 Жыл бұрын
THANK YOU! I've been trying to make that point to other truck owners who seem to be borderline offended that an EV truck even exists. Most truck owners use their truck as an SUV with a bed. The most "work" they ever see is some mulch for their wife's flowerbeds, a trip to Home Depot, and their kids muddy soccer cleats. Most truck owners are not towing a 5th wheel travel trailer 2x a month.
@liuby33
@liuby33 25 күн бұрын
And doing that sort of stuff with a truck is simply plain stupid
@davidhooper8679
@davidhooper8679 Жыл бұрын
The biggest problem with this is the dealerships. I've literally seen these things marked up to $200,000. Sorry, but if I had that kind of money I wouldn't be driving an F150. Dealerships are going to kill the EV market. The same thing is happening with the hummer EV and Kia/Hyundai with the EV6 and Ioniq5.
@gadeane287
@gadeane287 Жыл бұрын
The absolute greed of these dealerships (for basically anything new) is going to have manufacturers consider the Tesla business model.
@taylorc2542
@taylorc2542 Жыл бұрын
The dealerships are going to hand the EV market to Tesla. Ford has to punish them somehow.
@shwh1007
@shwh1007 Жыл бұрын
That is cap because Ford released PR statement saying all vehicles will be sticker price as shown on online.
@Lazirus951
@Lazirus951 Жыл бұрын
This seems to be classic supply and demand. Dealerships are selling as high as people are willing to pay relative to how long the vehicle sits on the lot. For those that champion the dealership model, this is what it looks like for better or worse.
@Dowlphin
@Dowlphin Жыл бұрын
It's capitalism. They do because they can and they can because capitalism is in its failing phase now. Who or what is really killing the EV market? ... Always look at the roots. ... The consumers as voters and practitioners of a mindset and way of life. Quark: _"Let me tell you something about humons."_
@matiyah
@matiyah Жыл бұрын
The customer focus you two have, especially taking on different perspectives when thinking about these products, is refreshing! Thanks and keep it up!
@farzana6676
@farzana6676 Жыл бұрын
Do ya'll get this truck in Europe?
@TheSleeds
@TheSleeds Жыл бұрын
To bad I had a first hour reservation and didn’t hear anything in over a year. I cancelled and then the dealer reached out and offfered me one for $35k over msrp. What a joke.
@alfaalex101
@alfaalex101 Жыл бұрын
Sounds like they had it and we’re just waiting to make a profit. Heard of this before.
@billtribble2904
@billtribble2904 Жыл бұрын
Capitalism! 🤑
@makatron
@makatron Жыл бұрын
Yeah well done mate, if everybody rejects these markups maybe they'll learn.
@user-vx7vi3vq1c
@user-vx7vi3vq1c 2 ай бұрын
Now they will sell them for $35,000 UNDER.
@woodmanvictory
@woodmanvictory Жыл бұрын
I appreciate that Ford kept it pretty simple and "normal" for their first EV truck. When you compare it to how Rivian, Tesla, and GM have went and kind of leaned into that EV FUTURE design and feeling while Ford seems to have just made a F-150 that happens to be an EV. In regards to the charging affecting the electrical infrastructure, you make a fair point about how the grid can handle people chanrging at home. This was also a problem when everyone got a AC unit, but the power grid adapted and changed to be able to efficiently, and safely provide power I think it will be the same for at home charging in the end.
@alanjm1234
@alanjm1234 Жыл бұрын
Maybe. But these things have a 100 kWh battery! That's an awful lot more power to replace than running air-conditioning. You could quite easily run A/C , hot water, lights etc from a normal 5kW home solar power setup. But to even half charge this battery would need 10 hours of full sun. So if a lot of people start using these and other EVs the grid is going to struggle to cope. Add to that the fact that reliable power sources are being phased out in favour of "greener" alternatives, means we could be seeing pretty regular power outages.
@richardbixler
@richardbixler Жыл бұрын
Unless you live in Texas 🤣
@DuvJones
@DuvJones Жыл бұрын
@@richardbixler Actually, funny thing... Ford timing on talking about the V2H system is... perfectly unfortunate I am sure you can guess when...
@anydaynow01
@anydaynow01 Жыл бұрын
I think Ford realized their mistake back in the '90s when the Taurus went to that bubble shape and the Camry stayed looking like a traditional car so the Taurus sales plummeted and the Camry became the new commuting appliance of choice. If they went with a weird looking truck like the CT, their customer base would have went out the window and they would have been saddled with the bill for all the new tooling needed to make it. I think it's a mistake for Chevrolet to go with the design of the largely unsuccessful Avalanche for their first EV outing, but I could be wrong and the BEV buying public may be ready for the different aero styling and utility features of that truck.
@thebarry7546
@thebarry7546 Жыл бұрын
afaik power grid usage always peaks during the day, and at night it drops off quite a lot, which means the existing grid should be ok with people charging up their cars after they get home...the power stations would just keep running at capacity into the evening.
@matthewschneller3587
@matthewschneller3587 Жыл бұрын
@1:42 "Ride the Lightning" lol this is why I love this channel.
@PrzemyslawSliwinski
@PrzemyslawSliwinski Жыл бұрын
19:10 Together with "Master of Puppets" as the crème de la crème (remastered). BTW: What is the difference between a remastered and the original version?
@timothycc711
@timothycc711 Жыл бұрын
I just love you guys. Alot of stuff happened during the last few years for me personally but I always find comfort in you twos professionalism with personality. Your professionality if you will. I hope you guys stick together for while because you guys make a great boutique product that is unlike anything on KZfaq.
@SS-wm1wy
@SS-wm1wy Жыл бұрын
I would totally buy this if they tone down the front end, and give back the physical buttons. I hate when every single is controlled via a screen.
@chrisoconnor3119
@chrisoconnor3119 Жыл бұрын
You guys are THE BEST. Been watching for many years. I'm a trade worker (Detroit Union Electrician) who has helped build most assembly lines here in the auto plants. I love your coverage of all vehicles.
@farzana6676
@farzana6676 Жыл бұрын
Unions should be banned in America. They're like anti capitalist mafia cartels.
@chrisoconnor3119
@chrisoconnor3119 Жыл бұрын
@@farzana6676 really? I think you know nothing about it. Stop being a jealous scab. Jealous I make more than you? I have a better living because I belong to a Union than if I was non-union.
@JohnFromAccounting
@JohnFromAccounting Жыл бұрын
Incredible that in the time it took between Tesla announcing the Cybertruck and failing to release it, Ford has developed and brought the F-150 to full production. Crazy what can happen when a proper company makes an EV.
@impatrickt
@impatrickt Жыл бұрын
i have no sympathy for tesla but ford didn’t make a truck from scratch here.
@outermarker5801
@outermarker5801 Жыл бұрын
Tesla is a tech company, Ford is an automaker
@yzhan225
@yzhan225 Жыл бұрын
Ford has made the F150 around since like 1950 bro. Lol they just shifted the most recent generation to support an EV structure and powertrain. Not as much engineering as building a complete truck from the ground up.
@isserdigan2835
@isserdigan2835 Жыл бұрын
This isn't a Fully EV platform truck.
@RAZGR1Z
@RAZGR1Z Жыл бұрын
@@outermarker5801 Tesla is a broker of environmental credits. Not a tech or manufacturing company.
@vinylcabasse
@vinylcabasse Жыл бұрын
10:47 - engineering explained has a great video covering that. most people charge their EVs overnight when there's excess wasted capacity (i have Georgia Power's EV power plan, which drops the price per KWH from 7c to 1c between 11p-7am - during the summer hours, M-F, 2p-7p it shoots up to 21c though)
@markmiller3279
@markmiller3279 Жыл бұрын
Yes, this question has been answered repeatedly by utilities nationwide. Nighttime demand is dramatically below daytime demand, especially in regions with high AC use. Charge these at night and the grid will be fine. Of course Ford won't answer that question, because that's a question for utilities. Ford wouldn't have the details.
@jdroofcleanpw
@jdroofcleanpw Жыл бұрын
Who the heck is going to get out of bed at 11:00 p.m. to charge their car? I'd imagine most people would be plugging in their EVs as soon as they get home from work.
@devinjaram
@devinjaram Жыл бұрын
@@jdroofcleanpw You plug it in when you get home, but either the truck or charger are smart enough to know the time and you can tell it to only charge between 11PM - 7AM. Pretty easy problem to solve.
@adam_says
@adam_says Жыл бұрын
Right now there's excess wasted capacity, what happens when everyone is charging at night? What happens when they turn the grid off for safety reasons and you're suddenly dependent on the grid even more? Pushing gas prices up in order to entice people to buy ev is not how we should go about it, keep gas cheap or normal price and let the people decide gas or electric.
@vinylcabasse
@vinylcabasse Жыл бұрын
@@adam_says EE’s video explains it better than i could in a YT comment. gas isn’t expensive because the gubment wants to push people into EVs, it’s because there’s an import ban of oil from russia, which is part of OPEC+ and one of the main oil producing nations
@tri3pleagent
@tri3pleagent Жыл бұрын
Arguably the most important vehicle on the market right now. Ford knows it HAS to get this right. And it appears they've done a pretty good job.
@dragospahontu
@dragospahontu Жыл бұрын
The Dacia Spring is more important
@CeeJay591
@CeeJay591 Жыл бұрын
100% Agree - a good job on a very important vehicle, given its popularity and sales volume. Ford certainly is moving aggressively with EVs by producing versions with some of their mainstay nameplates (Mustang/F150) vs new models.
@Loudlevin
@Loudlevin Жыл бұрын
Just wait for the engineering and production quality issues to crop up.
@CeeJay591
@CeeJay591 Жыл бұрын
@@Loudlevin of course, it’s a first gen car with brand new tech. Look at Toyota’s EV - a crappy car with a silly name. Ford isn’t discontinuing the regular mustang or F150 but they certainly are taking EVs seriously by introducing EVs in their core vehicle lineup. A gutsy move.
@tri3pleagent
@tri3pleagent Жыл бұрын
@@Loudlevin I'll wait...they crop up for every manufacturer.
@imnotusingmyrealname4566
@imnotusingmyrealname4566 Жыл бұрын
Love the thumbnail 🤣
@BeefIngot
@BeefIngot Жыл бұрын
Engineering Explained has a great video talking about the grid and electric vehicles and why in essence we can pretty easily keep up with the rate of increased load compared to the rate of Ev adoption as we have historically been able to.
@Dowlphin
@Dowlphin Жыл бұрын
In theory maybe.
@gs98999
@gs98999 Жыл бұрын
People are just unrealistic on the rate of adoption. It’s not going to be all evs in 10 years. A gradual change will allow the for the grid to keep up.
@dr._breens_beard
@dr._breens_beard Жыл бұрын
Without nuclear power the future of ev recharging is gonna be problematic. Ultracapacitors will most likely replace li-ion batteries. They are far faster to charge and will either force society to bend to the will of the night-owls and reverse traditional work times to accomodate solar peak-energy generation or force us to return to nuclear energy with supplemental solar energy generation
@kevinbailey3239
@kevinbailey3239 Жыл бұрын
Dealers keep marking up EVs and benching more affordable options like the Bolt, no one will have to worry about a steep curve on mass adoption. We've still got major players like Toyota and Honda barely in the game.
@Dowlphin
@Dowlphin Жыл бұрын
@@dr._breens_beard Capacitors are bad at holding charge for prolonged time. I only see them as useful for short-time buffer. If you make a hybrid car battery using Li-ion and ultracaps, the caps will probably slowly drain the battery unless you disconnect them. But then they would only be useful if you give them charge time before use and the whole tech pairing so that you can make the li-ion cells with zero focus on high current ability. But then again... if you don't have high current, that also makes the cap charging take longer. With the escalating scarcity obsession and efficiency craze, capacitors are basically wasting too much energy to qualify for mass use as battery alternative. And I haven't mentioned the main reason yet: Ultracapacitors have much lower energy density than li-ion! And they also need special considerations in regards to the voltage you are working with. They are basically only good for extremely high charge and discharge currents, and this is why they have been used for such purposes in electronics for ages - as short-term buffer.
@philippepeltier142
@philippepeltier142 Жыл бұрын
With this kind of power and weight, this thing gonna be one of the greatest widow maker of all time...
@imnotusingmyrealname4566
@imnotusingmyrealname4566 Жыл бұрын
It also apparently has bad braking so yup, it's definitely gonna be that.
@shaun2072
@shaun2072 Жыл бұрын
Can you imagine the mess it will make of other cars when some nut job loses control of that bloated bro missile?
@FurkanCemTurfanda
@FurkanCemTurfanda Жыл бұрын
All the electric trucks, especially the Hummer.
@philippepeltier142
@philippepeltier142 Жыл бұрын
@@Channel-gz9hm 😂👍
@ericchen776
@ericchen776 Жыл бұрын
Not like people aren’t already doing that with high powered cars that are being sold now. Just recently someone swerved around me in some 80’s ford truck going 80+ mph
@wecrouch
@wecrouch Жыл бұрын
I’m sold based on the peekaboo shot. It really speaks to the quality of whatever product this is
@itsthe4seaons
@itsthe4seaons Жыл бұрын
By far the best vehicle review channel. The reason why I have a Scat Pack Challenger now. Can't wait to see you do the EV Silverado and EV Ram
@siptang81
@siptang81 Жыл бұрын
i love how they didnt make it look like some futuristic spaceship thank goodness
@BigEightiesNewWave
@BigEightiesNewWave Жыл бұрын
Like Homer Simpson designed it ? 😂
@robertide5182
@robertide5182 Жыл бұрын
Just FYI it's Electrify America not EV America. Might confuse some users. Great video regardless. And regarding the grid, the grid is expanding everyday. Off peak charging and virtual power grids also seem to be helping with that even more. And that last bit which applies to a lot of these great EVs coming out like this is that you can't even order one right now.
@richardnavratil9661
@richardnavratil9661 Жыл бұрын
YES! Been waiting for you guys to get your hands on this and get us some deep dives. Nice way to get my Friday going.
@davidxavier1396
@davidxavier1396 Жыл бұрын
Loving the lunch dribble on Jacks shirt… TRUE pickup truck classiness!
@jackholmes8105
@jackholmes8105 Жыл бұрын
It was actually sweat 🤣
@wescoleman6390
@wescoleman6390 Жыл бұрын
There are some open questions about the externalities and grid effects, but I'm impressed at how in the past 20 years we've gone from mass marketed electric trucks being purely theoretical applications to a series of difficult but solvable engineering problems.
@seanbond1008
@seanbond1008 Жыл бұрын
Agreed, although they're still mostly toys at this point. I don't see the actual charging infrastructure making (non-hybrid) EV's in general practical for more than 5% of the population for at least another 20 years. I am pulling these numbers out of my ass, but it sounds about right. I live in NJ which is a small, densely populated state and 99 out of 100 cars I see on the road are still gasoline. Also, I find it extremely EXTREMELY hard to believe that the state governments are just going to take hundreds of millions of dollars in gasoline tax revenue in stride. The second that EV's become more common, is the same second that they stop becoming money-saving.
@farzana6676
@farzana6676 Жыл бұрын
Power generation is the engineering problem that needs to be solved!!! And nobody is talking about that!
@wescoleman6390
@wescoleman6390 Жыл бұрын
Engineering Explained did a good video on it a while back: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/bcqWrKpnq77XhYk.html Yeah, it's a big problem, but it's one that we can see coming a long way away and all the possible solutions are technologies we know how to scale effectively.
@morganlingsweiler9813
@morganlingsweiler9813 Жыл бұрын
@@seanbond1008 I didn't even think about the gasoline tax money being lost. I assumed the electricity prices would continue to rise the more its being used because your going to have to pay whatever they charge in order to provide you transportation on top of electricity for living. Then when electricity prices get too high, some people will switch back to gasoline-powered cars, if they still exist at that point.
@misterhat6395
@misterhat6395 Жыл бұрын
I’ve always thought it only makes sense to lease an EV, you’re going to want the update every 2-3 years. The phone analogy is apt.
@jonathanrabbitt
@jonathanrabbitt Жыл бұрын
That means you're never going to realize any economic benefit. You'll be paying full odds on the depreciation and turning it in before you reach the variable cost break-even point.
@fcv1967
@fcv1967 Жыл бұрын
My Tesla I bought 2 years ago is worth more today than when I bought it.
@davidmccarthy6061
@davidmccarthy6061 Жыл бұрын
@@fcv1967 That's only because the used market went crazy for the short term. We hope!
@davidmccarthy6061
@davidmccarthy6061 Жыл бұрын
They can be kept if OTA updates happen regularly and don't require a trip to a dealer. There will be the limitation of lacking hardware as the vehicle ages but only like 1% of consumers have any experience with a car that gets updated. You buy it and it never changes from that day on, and those that always have to buy used cars have never had any of the most modern features. The best thing about EVs is low maintenance and you can keep it 20 years if you want without the ever increasing repair costs of ICE.
@KAWTELENUH
@KAWTELENUH Жыл бұрын
You might not have the most subscribers but you have the right ones that appreciate these videos
@jayjacobl4667
@jayjacobl4667 Жыл бұрын
cant wait until someone makes a maverick-sized vehicle in EV. perfect for my needs. f-150 is too big, doesn't even fit in my garage, and i only need a pickup truck to do small weekend projects around the house. an ev small pickup would be great for my short daily commute too.
@PJ16pt
@PJ16pt Жыл бұрын
Ford recently trademarked Maverick and Ranger Lightning. My guess we'll see those two hit the market within the next two years.
@chrislittle523
@chrislittle523 Жыл бұрын
100% agree. i think the maverick would be the perfect truck to make a ev. F150 is a workhorse the maverick is more for the weekend trip to lowes
@ChiquitoCardona
@ChiquitoCardona Жыл бұрын
Maverick owner here, and what I really want is a Maverick with a frunk. It'd then be MY perfect utility vehicle.
@zguy95135
@zguy95135 Жыл бұрын
Even a plug in hybrid Maverick would be great, give it 20-30 miles electric range and you would get the best of both worlds with a lower price.
@Bill-NM
@Bill-NM Жыл бұрын
Quick monthly fuel cost comparison, using 15k miles per year, average U.S. elec cost vs $4.50/gal for gasoline, saves just under $200/month. Plus of course there's none of the regular maintenance (and headaches) on the engine and transmission. And if you charge at home you NEVER have to stop for fuel again.
@user-vx7vi3vq1c
@user-vx7vi3vq1c 2 ай бұрын
This comment didn’t age well.
@TylerPoppe
@TylerPoppe Жыл бұрын
You don't need some kind of $4,000 connection to hook up to your breaker. You need like a $500 transfer switch and can run like 6 circuits from your breaker - if this is strictly about power outages.
@TylerPoppe
@TylerPoppe Жыл бұрын
@@skellington2000 exactly. And if you are buying a 75k truck, you probably can afford a 4k whole house panel anyways.
@fcv1967
@fcv1967 Жыл бұрын
Or maybe you sell your house to afford the truck and just live in it making the feature obsolete
@Ridesaway24
@Ridesaway24 Жыл бұрын
Very honest review for the practicality of owning this vehicle. Well done.
@Dowlphin
@Dowlphin Жыл бұрын
If you ignore the things they didn't mention. (Pricing and other things.) Honesty is usually judged through the lens of courage.
@felineflammenwerfer8375
@felineflammenwerfer8375 Жыл бұрын
Always love looking at the infotainment and seeing what song you guys have playing. Ride the Lighting is a great selection.
@dougrobinson8602
@dougrobinson8602 Жыл бұрын
I drive an F-150 at work. I have to disagree with the statement that visibility is good. The A-pillars are so thick and those grab handles block a lot of your front side vision.
@Dowlphin
@Dowlphin Жыл бұрын
Marketing visibility is very good. 😏
@walterbrooks3539
@walterbrooks3539 Жыл бұрын
A solution to the home generator issue is to get a Generlink. Then the whole house is powered and you can choose which circuits to energize. It doesn't require another panel etc. It installs where your power meter is and is a 1/2 hour install. The electrician cost is minimal. All mine did when he was here is give the utility company a small step ladder to reach the meter when they pulled it off to install the Generlink.
@daviddavis1322
@daviddavis1322 Жыл бұрын
Damn. That looks incredible. I appreciate you sharing that!
@RangerAmateur
@RangerAmateur Жыл бұрын
I hesitated and didn't book right after it's released. Now I'm couple hundred behind other reservations, at this specific dealership. That's how hot this truck is. This is the perfect thing for most small contractors, DIYers and maybe even small farm owners.
@nicholasfrisch244
@nicholasfrisch244 Жыл бұрын
Amazing insight, as always.
@carlosvargasbatman
@carlosvargasbatman Жыл бұрын
I really want one but I think I am going to wait a few years. I question the quality of cars that have been made in the last two years due to the parts shortage.
@HighGear7445
@HighGear7445 Жыл бұрын
I question the quality of Ford from 2000 on in my personal experience with them. The company works for the stockholders and the actual customers are treated like a necessary evil.
@trailrunnah8886
@trailrunnah8886 Жыл бұрын
@@HighGear7445 Doesn't pretty much every company work like that? They cater to the stockholders while the customers and employees are (and I really like how you said this) necessary evils.
@tomstarcevich1147
@tomstarcevich1147 Жыл бұрын
Ford sucks 😕
@HighGear7445
@HighGear7445 Жыл бұрын
@@trailrunnah8886 No not really , it seems the largest companies out there are more apt to and public owned ( sell stock to the company). I've worked in several small to medium privately held companies and the customers satisfaction is the first priority. Do that and the money will follow. You work with a customer to what's fair for both of you. Stock holder driven companies are beholding to the stock holders and the emphasis is on short term profits, not always thinking ahead for success down the road. I talked to the CEO once that ran a very large company ( fortune 500 I think) and was so disgusted with how the stockholders wanted the company to run that they bought up the stock and went back to privately owned. He knew long term his company wouldn't be successful just aiming for short term profits. Money has to be spent machinery, software ect has to be bought so a company can hit the road running ready to take advantage of future work . Work products ect are always evolving and you need to be ready for it to keep up and expand your business. After 45 yearsthough I'm finaly out of the rat race.
@chimrichalds1422
@chimrichalds1422 Жыл бұрын
Suggestion, please include vehicle pricing, talk about the warranty (especially unproven battery tech), the battery capacity/ range loss with age, and battery replacement cost if we had to pay cash.
@chimrichalds1422
@chimrichalds1422 Жыл бұрын
@@yzhan225 I'm aware the internet can answer questions hence me being on KZfaq. You're missing the point these guys do car reviews for a living suggestions like mine are not unreasonable. Ford has been testing this vehicle for years before going into production so they know capacity loss over time....these guys speak with Ford when they get the truck so they can ask.
@yzhan225
@yzhan225 Жыл бұрын
@@chimrichalds1422 its not a black or white answer yet tho. No one has owned this long enough. Those ones they tested are just preproduction units so not accurate. Will need real life testing from now on and likely depends how the users charge and how often, DC fast charging amount vs home charge.
@joseeduardo4327
@joseeduardo4327 Жыл бұрын
Great insight from all angles. Love your channel and watch every vid gents
@jmmartin79
@jmmartin79 Жыл бұрын
I’ve been waiting for you guys to get your hands on this. Great review- this should get you to that million subscriber mark…..
@conditionone2320
@conditionone2320 Жыл бұрын
I can't believe how quiet this thing seems to be. It sounds like y'all are talking in a church or a library. 🤫
@steveunderwood3683
@steveunderwood3683 Жыл бұрын
All cars sound like you are in an church, but sometimes the organist is doing their thing.
@dannoyes4493
@dannoyes4493 Жыл бұрын
If you've ever been at a honky-tonk at 1:00am, you know that the acceleration in a pickup is a major plus. Well Done!
@DiscoFang
@DiscoFang Жыл бұрын
Mybe that's a setting in the Traction Control - Dirt Parking Lot Peel
@jw8578
@jw8578 Жыл бұрын
Final thoughts with TRD pro in the background. Looking forward to that one. I'm not ready for an ev pickup but I admire ford for the innovation. Nice review...
@CMA212
@CMA212 Жыл бұрын
Great review as always guyd
@illreportbackinabit.8514
@illreportbackinabit.8514 Жыл бұрын
I can't wait to see the recalls and headaches with all this new tech.
@farzana6676
@farzana6676 Жыл бұрын
It's actually quite simple design.
@DaRevrin
@DaRevrin Жыл бұрын
Gas engine vehicles are much more complex
@illreportbackinabit.8514
@illreportbackinabit.8514 Жыл бұрын
@@DaRevrin 20k$ for a battery sounds pretty complex to me........
@DaRevrin
@DaRevrin Жыл бұрын
@@illreportbackinabit.8514 Not really, extremely easy to replace a battery. I'm not an electric car guy at all... but gas vehicles are astronomically more complicated and have many more opportunities for issues short and long term.
@LLG47
@LLG47 Жыл бұрын
You guys missed how much it costs compared to a normal truck and whether or not you believe that is a pro or con. I'm assuming that long range package is going to be extremely expensive.
@TheNotimprezed
@TheNotimprezed Жыл бұрын
The base Pro model is $40k. That makes it the cheapest crew cab 4x4 pickup on the market (a base f150 crew cab 4x4 with the 3.3l v6 is $43k). Fleet customers can get a long range for about $47k. A long range XLT is $73k which is the cheapest way a regular buyer can get long range. A long range Lariat is $77k.
@kerplunk38880
@kerplunk38880 Жыл бұрын
@@TheNotimprezed And the real out the door prices are well over $100,000.
@JF-ns5zs
@JF-ns5zs Жыл бұрын
@@kerplunk38880 it won’t be forever
@mookieblaylock2589
@mookieblaylock2589 Жыл бұрын
@@JF-ns5zs this bubble will explose like EV 1.
@RAZGR1Z
@RAZGR1Z Жыл бұрын
@@TheNotimprezed Fleet customers are not going to buy this crap.
@max213421
@max213421 Жыл бұрын
I love the casual cybertruck in the thumbnail 😂 didn't see it at first
@plasticbmw
@plasticbmw Жыл бұрын
just subscribed...love your vids man
@ItsTheNada
@ItsTheNada Жыл бұрын
I think a lot of people towing stuff accelerating slowly is due to them being careful with the load. You don’t really wanna be tossing your trailer around. I’d honestly still have ICE or Diesel. I have a Miata I’d love to tow to tracks around the US or even tracks 4 hours away. This would kinda be a useless truck for people who actually wanna do truck stuff with it.
@anthonybaker9270
@anthonybaker9270 Жыл бұрын
We're a while away before EV trucks become "work" trucks, cost alone is enough to make any major contractor look the other way. I'd much rather have a throw-away base model f250/f350 to do work with for half the price than the lightning. You'll probably see a few supervisors and white-hat old dudes driving these though to client meetings and just around sites for the day but thats it.
@imnotusingmyrealname4566
@imnotusingmyrealname4566 Жыл бұрын
@@anthonybaker9270 In reality this was made to be a huge, fast daily driver. The Pro model is insane value but I don't imagine they make profit on that. It's just 1k more expensive than a Crew cab F-150 XL.
@alzinifelshoni2602
@alzinifelshoni2602 Жыл бұрын
Now you can leave your Miata on the trailer and still win the race 🥇 🏆
@anthonybaker9270
@anthonybaker9270 Жыл бұрын
@@imnotusingmyrealname4566 Color me shocked, I was under the assumption it'd cost similar to the Rivian and tbh I posted my comment before watching the full video and researching prices myself. Still won't see one doing major contracting work for a while but at that price point I can absolutely see maintenance landscapers (mowing, trimming, etc) making use of one. Lots of stop/go driving usually within 1 quadrant of the city with minimal to no towing.
@ItsTheNada
@ItsTheNada Жыл бұрын
@@alzinifelshoni2602 Lmao gross. Road tracks not drag strip.
@film-john
@film-john Жыл бұрын
I've been yelling to myself how EVs need to look like normal vehicles to really catch on and I immediately loved this when they unveiled it. It's a F-150. It doesn't look like some weird futuristic vehicle like GM is doing with the Avalanche...I mean Silverado EV. I actually saw one yesterday in my rural area which really surprised me since I didn't think we'd start seeing them here for quite a while. It looked amazing. Hopefully they can get these things built faster and get the pricing down as the years progress because one would make a lot of sense for me. I do a lot of weekend warrior crap and I'm always hauling stuff in my bed, but I never really drive more than 50 miles a day. This would be perfect.
@Lazirus951
@Lazirus951 Жыл бұрын
Yea, some of the EV designs are quite off-putting and seem to be different just for the sake of being different. Not everyone wants their vehicle to stand out and say "look at me!"
@splewy
@splewy Жыл бұрын
Personally I actually prefer the styling of the Av-Silverado EV, which is saying a lot because I think GM styling has been atrocious for the past decade. The thing I really don’t like about the F-150 Lightning’s styling is the fake grille. If they were going to do a fake grille, I wish they would have make it look more like an actual grille, and not just a big flat, black plastic rectangle. It just looks so cheap to me. I also hate grey interiors with a passion and sadly that’s all you can get in the Lightning. The Silverado offers some really nice multi tone interior with contrast stitching that look a million times better. I also like that the Silverado EV is bringing back the mid gate, which I think was a brilliant idea that was ahead of its time, but now fits really well with the modern “urban utility vehicle” truck buyer.
@Roushfan5
@Roushfan5 Жыл бұрын
@@splewy As a Ford guy I was pleasantly surprised by the styling of the Chevy truck EV. But I consider its design to be inherently flawed.
@AHungryHunky
@AHungryHunky Жыл бұрын
I actually really like the Silverado EV, I think it looks better than GM's ICE offerings anyway. I also like the return of the midgate as well, if your truck is going to be built on skateboard EV architecture it makes sense to make the most of it and offer a flexible vehicle that can haul people and cargo as needed without the absurd wheelbase of a traditional Crew+8ft box configuration. That all said I do believe that the Ford is going to be the most popular, just because of it's outward appearance of being a "normal" truck making it more approachable to traditional truck buyers, and a fairly good accessory range should already exist since it uses a standard F150 bed as far as I know.
@djrockcastle
@djrockcastle Жыл бұрын
good video as always but I miss the longer outro with the high note on the piano
@mountman5386
@mountman5386 Жыл бұрын
Good introduction & well done Ford. The major problem for Ford is that as far as reports say, they aren't making any money selling these things at this price.
@thatoneotherotherguy
@thatoneotherotherguy Жыл бұрын
From the "fleet" perspective, I'm curious if single cab / access cab models will follow. I have no interest in owning a vehicle this big, but if their tech is quality and keeps improving, I could really see owning an electric Ranger or Bronco.
@clevelandite153
@clevelandite153 Жыл бұрын
An electric bronco would be dope
@truantray
@truantray Жыл бұрын
Electric El Camino would have all the utility of a pickup without the barn door aerodynamics.
@maximlg253
@maximlg253 Жыл бұрын
Electric Maverick and Ranger are coming, perhaps as 2024 models
@Black-Villain
@Black-Villain Жыл бұрын
I very highly doubt it sadly, Single cab sales only account for ~2-3% of F150 sales, whereas the crew cab 5.5ft bed config accounts for about ~85% of sales. With the current situation of supply shortages, high demand, and demand for the Lightning as it is (taking up production capacity)... I highly doubt they'll do it until either the next gen or when the regular F150 goes all EV in like 10-15 years.
@DuvJones
@DuvJones Жыл бұрын
Their were plans for the Bronco but for some reason Ford gone silent on it. Don't know why... Last week, they trademarked the terms "Ranger Lightning" and "Maverick Lightning" in the EU, so make that what you will.
@mn240s14
@mn240s14 Жыл бұрын
This is the first EV I've been interested in. I have my 'sports' sedan, which I would keep, but this can occasionally tow my father's boat if needed and tow/haul stuff. I had to rent a Uhaul cargo van just to pick up my new TV for instance. This EV makes sense from a utility perspective as I am not a truck guy.
@wildfyre116
@wildfyre116 Жыл бұрын
Unless you need that utility multiple times a week, people are still better off just renting a truck from a big box store/uhaul when it's needed. The total cost of this truck (monthly payment + insurance + maintenance (albeit less than an ICE truck) + recharging cost) will outweigh the cost of renting-when-needed by a huge margin, and you don't take up the space needed for a second, large, vehicle.
@shanec9672
@shanec9672 Жыл бұрын
I am a contractor who is largely self-employed, and while I'm absolutely in love with the ability to plug my tools into my truck and store some of them in the frunk instead of on my seats or in a toolbox behind the cab, until there's an 8-ft bed variant of this, preferably with a single cab, it just doesn't make sense for me to purchase as someone who has to get all of his own material and then get it to the job. For those of you watching this who aren't familiar with carpentry or general contracting, many building materials are sold in 8 ft lengths as standard, and while you could theoretically just lower the tailgate and strap things down, it also impacts your ability to put larger things in the bed, like 12 ft lumber, without having an unwieldy dangerous protrusion from the back of your truck or needing to attach a flag for safety. I'm not well off, but not hurting, and I would happily sign up for the monthly payment if it actually had both of those options. Sadly, that kind of stuff probably isn't going to filter down to what would essentially be a fleet vehicle for years. Great review as always, though. Hoping the folks at Ford give you guys more technical info since you are the only reviewers I've seen and like who actually take full advantage of it.
@dragospahontu
@dragospahontu Жыл бұрын
This is just the start, they'll have more models/configurations soon
@7728abbott
@7728abbott Жыл бұрын
Great review!!!
@donhill1825
@donhill1825 Жыл бұрын
You can't really "just plug" *ANY* sizeable generator into your house without "setting the home up" for it. I don't think it's unfair for Ford to tout the emergency generator aspect of this truck without mentioning setup cost. What I don't like is that this is probably the *PERFECT* electric vehicle for someone like me, but it'll probably cost $70,000 because everyone sucks.
@Outlier117
@Outlier117 Жыл бұрын
I was recently at a local cars and coffee and they had a platinum edition of one of these out there and it had a window sticker of $139,000 absolute joke.
@maximlg253
@maximlg253 Жыл бұрын
And they quoted $5k to set up home for powering by EV. What a joke. Yes, if you go with full automatic solution from Ford plus installation, probably. But manual transfer switch is a couple hundred bucks. You would still need to do some setup with standalone generator as well
@tenhundredkills
@tenhundredkills Жыл бұрын
@@Outlier117 I just glanced on AutoTrader for F150 Lightning prices within 100 miles of me. The most expensive one I found just had a tow package and a window price of $112k. There is absolutely no reason a truck should cost as much as a small house or condo! The "cheap" one around me was still $70k. It's complete nonsense.
@donhill1825
@donhill1825 Жыл бұрын
@@tenhundredkills I cannot for the life of me understand who is spending that much for a vehicle like this & what their actual use case is. I would love to own an electric vehicle, especially this one but the pricing is absurd.
@donhill1825
@donhill1825 Жыл бұрын
@@maximlg253 exactly. Before I even owned a generator I had a manual interlock installed. I couldn't imagine just bringing home a generator & being surprised that it doesn't magically power the house.
@ramk2443
@ramk2443 Жыл бұрын
My wife's boyfriend ordered one of these on my credit to go on joy rides. Good to see it's endorsed by savagegeese
@AyAy008
@AyAy008 Жыл бұрын
Oh you are so #kind
@autocrossaholic
@autocrossaholic Жыл бұрын
masterclass in the peakaboo shot
@frazierlong2471
@frazierlong2471 Жыл бұрын
Looking forward to your review on a R1T!
@gregsullivan7408
@gregsullivan7408 Жыл бұрын
The ICE models don't have a "range" per se, because they are so quick & easy to refuel. Their "range" can't meaningfully be compared to an EV range.
@Parker53151
@Parker53151 Жыл бұрын
The range of an ICE truck to and EV truck can verily easily be compared and should be an important consideration in any purchase decision.
@Tential1
@Tential1 Жыл бұрын
@@Parker53151 no, because refueling on a car is far quicker. The only way to compare is time to travel 500 and 1000 miles. Then it makes more sense. Certain trucks and sports cars will lose to high range evs who can do the trip without stopping. There's no way though 250 miles of range in an ev is equivalent to 250 miles of gas range.
@Parker53151
@Parker53151 Жыл бұрын
@@Tential1 miles = miles
@Dowlphin
@Dowlphin Жыл бұрын
12:02 When I hear lines like "Probably one of the most-sold vehicles in the world" I know Jack needs to keep some distance from marketing reps, because whether that's true or not depends entirely on how long you make that list. As for mileage, with this mix of gas and electric now, and both getting pricey, soon we might see these things simply measured in MPD - miles per dollar. Speaking of power outages, that's gonna be fun, too, when you go to your vehicle in the morning and realize you cannot drive to work because you expected it to charge over night but there was no power. EV tech makes you EVen more grid-dependent, centrally-controlled. Conquest of the Matrix. Convenience is a temptation to enslavement. To consider when you talk about torque mobility with cargo: Then you need to secure it even better, because if you step on the pedal in an EV like this while pulling a trailer, you might get an unpleasant surprise. (And/or the drivers behind you.)
@rootsmanuva82
@rootsmanuva82 Жыл бұрын
Coal powered EV’s are gonna save the planet from catastrophe. Thank God 🙏
@jimhawks1557
@jimhawks1557 Жыл бұрын
Great video! Thx.
@JJVernig
@JJVernig Жыл бұрын
I do think this can be the game changer for pick-up's in the rest of the world. This isn't hit with the insane taxes in Europe and can still tow a bit and be usable for contractors who don't do >300 km a day, and the most don't overhere..
@imnotusingmyrealname4566
@imnotusingmyrealname4566 Жыл бұрын
Yes distances are shorter so it's absolutely a better fit for Europe. Sadly we only get shitty diesel 4-cylinder pickups that get like zero R&D money spent on them so they are terrible compared to American pickups. I actually consider importing a Lightning Pro from the US for Europe, it's just so good and tax exempt here.
@thomaswood2390
@thomaswood2390 Жыл бұрын
Most people drive much smaller pickups here
@JJVernig
@JJVernig Жыл бұрын
@@imnotusingmyrealname4566 Yeah and that 4 cilinder's are just there for the CO2-taxes. I do think that if Ford is smart about how to roll out this vehicle in Europe it can be a big market and chance to set themself into the front of the pack.
@JJVernig
@JJVernig Жыл бұрын
@@thomaswood2390 partly it's handier for the bigger cities, but I do think also because of the enormous taxes. A loaded F150 with the 3.5 ecoboost cost >120k Euro's so it doesn't compete with loaded MB Sprinters or some high end VAG products.
@jayjacobl4667
@jayjacobl4667 Жыл бұрын
this truck is way too big to be a hit around the rest of the world. There are whole sections of european cities where this truck is unusable due to its size.
@milesfathi
@milesfathi Жыл бұрын
Most truck buyers that I know love their vehicles because they can literally do everything. I think the range and towing limitations kind of defeat the purpose for this crowd.
@LongWalker730
@LongWalker730 Жыл бұрын
Exactly. It's a nice toy but it's relegated to city duty, which a significant number of truck owners won't understand. I like this truck, but it's so impractical, I cannot justify the purchase for how restricted its use is.
@daviddavis1322
@daviddavis1322 Жыл бұрын
I'm looking to replace my 10 year old Accord and my 15 year old Explorer ST with this one vehicle. I have a truck for hauls to the dump, hardware store runs for long items, hauling motorcycles. I don't pull a trailer. I have a car for the other 99% of my life. I suspect this thing will have to more space inside than the car and more space in the bed than a half-truck. If the price isn't stupid, it's a good fit for my life. Plus no more gas stations would be nice.
@aarong6616
@aarong6616 Жыл бұрын
Honestly, most people I see with trucks use them for “non-truck” purposes most of the time anyway. I think these will sell.
@milesfathi
@milesfathi Жыл бұрын
@@daviddavis1322 Looks like this is a good fit for you then
@milesfathi
@milesfathi Жыл бұрын
@@aarong6616 Yeah but use is different from why you buy a vehicle of this type for most people I think. You're spending so much money, you expect some sort of future-proofness out of the vehicle. To me this may make sense as a lifestyle vehicle, but then again the Rivian may be better suited for that purpose anyway.
@cwqrpportable
@cwqrpportable Жыл бұрын
As usual, the best of the best in auto journalism. 114 yrs later, Henry Ford's company is doing some things that all great entrepeneurial organizations do: A. They're pivoting early on, and B. They're pushing forward and not listening to all the "naysayers" and "wise people". No one ever imagined an internal combustion engine could replace steam. Henry Ford wrote in 1908........... "They (gas engines) were received with interest rather than enthusiasm and I do not recall any one who thought that the internal combustion engine could ever have more than a limited use. All the wise people demonstrated conclusively that the engine could not compete with steam. They never thought that it might carve out a career for itself. That is the way with wise people - they are so wise and practical that they always know to a dot just why something cannot be done; they always know the limitations" History will include and document, with humour, all of you naysayers and wise people.🙂
@briandaugherty4466
@briandaugherty4466 Жыл бұрын
cant wait to get mine later this year!
@richardnavratil9661
@richardnavratil9661 Жыл бұрын
As someone that bought their very first truck, a used F150 last year, we tow and haul quite a bit. Some short trips, some longer. Ideally, this would be our daily and for the short tows with maybe a gas/hybrid F150 or F250 for longer trips as a loaner from the dealer? That would cover all our bases extremely well, but not really practical for the marketplace.
@tamegaming1768
@tamegaming1768 Жыл бұрын
6,500 to 7,000lbs, imagine getting hit by this thing. Truly optimal transportation for the single man commuting to work
@4literv6
@4literv6 Жыл бұрын
A fully loaded raptor is 6400#+ a fully loaded and fueled ram trx is over 6800# Full size cowboy Cadillacs ain't light. Hell the latest damn escalade esv is over 6500# now. 🙂
@Trades46
@Trades46 Жыл бұрын
I'm not a truck person but having driven a F150 XLT with the 3.5L ecoboost, I'm seeing why people love these big Ford trucks. An electric version makes a ton of sense for commercial duty for contractors and skilled trades, and as a personal use vehicle for commuting, family and occasional home depot visits, towing the boat to the lakehouse or off road to the countryside, there's almost no situation aside from cross country stints under towing where this truck just works.
@DanFuhry
@DanFuhry Жыл бұрын
FYI - I have a device called a GenerLink that sits behind my meter and allows a generator to be plugged in without having a separate bypass panel. It cost about $1200 to have installed in addition to the cost of the portable 12kW generator.
@outwestinc
@outwestinc Жыл бұрын
Staying true to the brand with underside rust already forming.
@methos-ey9nf
@methos-ey9nf Жыл бұрын
Haha Chevy guy?
@boy638
@boy638 Жыл бұрын
Can you guys test the cheaper variants?
@nafnaf0
@nafnaf0 Жыл бұрын
Lariat trim with the extended range battery is the way to go.You get the full 10,000 lb towing capacity, longest range, and a very nice but still practical interior. They need to make a 6.5ft bed length version.
@mikedallmeier
@mikedallmeier Жыл бұрын
Just saw a Lariat all electric at dealership two days ago. 81K! It was already sold!
@setharcher5869
@setharcher5869 Жыл бұрын
Any issues with submerging the rear motor when backing down a boat ramp?
@tomstarcevich1147
@tomstarcevich1147 Жыл бұрын
Yeah Don't do it good point I never thought about that
@pierredelecto7069
@pierredelecto7069 Жыл бұрын
They are sealed. People have driven Teslas submerged. The wiring connections are behind a pair of gaskets and the motor itself is oil filled. They handle getting wet.
@polaris911
@polaris911 Жыл бұрын
can't wait to be hit by one of these in my small compact sedan. I wonder who will walk away?
@imnotusingmyrealname4566
@imnotusingmyrealname4566 Жыл бұрын
Don't worry, this only has a curb weight of the Lightning is just 6590 lbs, the Silverado EV will weigh about 8000 lbs and the Hummer EV weights 9046 lbs. These vehicles also destroy all the roads by being so heavy.
@film-john
@film-john Жыл бұрын
@@imnotusingmyrealname4566 Try living in Frack Country. The oil and gas trucks have already destroyed all of the roads.
@sashayav5061
@sashayav5061 Жыл бұрын
Sounds like a personal problem .
@methos-ey9nf
@methos-ey9nf Жыл бұрын
"What happens to the grid when there's millions of EV's on the market? That's the thing nobody is talking about." I crack up at this sort of comment because infrastructure is literally the only thing people talk about when it comes to concerns about EV adoption. It's a totally valid concern, but it's silly to say nobody is talking about it.
@jmlupoludowicy1239
@jmlupoludowicy1239 Жыл бұрын
Metallica’s Ride The Lightning Album… I see what you did there! Great review, as always! 👍🏻
@whynotthinkwhynot-
@whynotthinkwhynot- Жыл бұрын
I’m an electrician. I have a reservation for a Lightning. From what I gather, Ford has partnered with some company which I am assuming “partners” with local contractors to install the required equipment for powering your home from your EV. The first thing this requires is the 80 amp Ford charger which comes with the larger battery versions. What doesn’t come with it is the transfer switch. I’m guessing that the transfer switch has some Bluetooth or WiFi connection which allows control of it through your mobile device. I have had trouble researching the operations of the 80a charger, and how it inverts to power a house. Ford has said that if you purchase this charger separately that other Ford EV owners can power their houses. TO me, this means ALL YOU NEED is that charger. A transfer switch merely switches power supply to another source. The same can be done if you have a brain. Most homes should have a main breaker or main disconnect. This will cut off the power supply from the utilities. Simply turn off the main, signal the charger to invert power from the EV to the house, and you’re there. This can also be done with a manual transfer switch- of course that is not as cool as being able to do it with your phone, but it might be several thousand dollars cheaper than a BT transfer switch. All of the electronics that make the inverted power supply possible have to be in the charger. Obviously the charger can’t be powered by the house if you want to to power the house. Any controls required to signal a transfer switch, or get a signal from a transfer switch must be powered by the charger’s DC side also so there has to be some way to bypass or jump contacts out in the charger. Like I said, the owner just has to have a brain trained to follow procedures. First, cut off the main power. Second, make sure truck is plugged in, and tell it to invert power. I would add in the case of air conditioning, that it is best to cut off your AC at the thermostat before switching power- regardless of how you do it! Then turn it on after power sources are swapped. This would be true for any installation. Reverse procedure when the utilities are on. With a manual transfer switch, you’d thrown the switch prior to telling the truck to invert power. I’d suggest a manual transfer switch with monitor lights so you’d have visual confirmation when the utilities are back on. Ford merely suggests that you use the company they partnered with, but it is not required. By NEC, all appliances are required to contain instructions for installation, so any electrician should be able to install and check operation of the Ford 80 amp charger. Best wishes to all.
@09BertoSS
@09BertoSS Жыл бұрын
I’m definitely interested in this truck , I don’t tow at so the driving range is winning me over 🤞….plus gas price where I am is over $7 a gallon on 87 octane
@rootsmanuva82
@rootsmanuva82 Жыл бұрын
Recharging an EV during brownouts and blackouts should be fun. There’s a catch to everything unfortunately.
@sacralove11
@sacralove11 Жыл бұрын
How much to charge nightly? 131khw (which you will use because who doesn't love torque?!) It changes how you drive (being an EV owner). It's just so heavy, I fear the nightly recharge us going to place some fear into ownership. Plus, is out grid with rolling blackouts capable of supporting this much power? Nissan leaf 21kwh was about $50/ month).
@09BertoSS
@09BertoSS Жыл бұрын
I failed to mention The truck would only be driven 7 miles daily lmao
@tomstarcevich1147
@tomstarcevich1147 Жыл бұрын
Move to a better state it's a big country 😳
@dirk5950
@dirk5950 Жыл бұрын
Master Class in the peakaboo shot!
@jackholmes8105
@jackholmes8105 Жыл бұрын
You know it. My classes start at 9,999.
@billm47645
@billm47645 Жыл бұрын
I’m glad you brought up the fine print of millions of EVs charging. Every rest stop in America, every parking lot, and maybe every street in Manhattan will need chargers.
@markmiller3279
@markmiller3279 Жыл бұрын
Why? This thing may have a short range when towing, but normal EV ranges are 250-350 miles. They don't need to be charged every time they park.
@billm47645
@billm47645 Жыл бұрын
@@markmiller3279 Because anyone who takes these on a road trip will need access to remote charging. I travel a lot and stay in a lot of hotels for work related purposes. When a car trip is under 6 or 7 hours I usually drive. Outside of CA, I hardly see chargers in hotel parking lots. I would also need to charge on the road, in a rest stop, etc. I also live in the greater NYC area and while I live in a house with a two car garage (which BTW has 200 AMP service - not sure how long it takes to charge a depleted battery with 50 AMP, but it’s probably more than 8 hours and also not sure if I could have two EVs using 50 AMPs a pop and still power my air conditioning compressors and the entire house at peak load), as you get closer to NYC many live in apartments, park on the street, park in garages, etc. Ironically, an urban dweller with an EV is probably a much worse candidate than they are for an ICE car due to access to overnight charging. Then there are practical issues. What happens when you go visit your Uncle who lives 250 miles away and you stay at their house? Hey Uncle X, you got an extension cord I can use. My car is dead. What happens when you go to Yosemite? You can barely get cell phone coverage in a National Park. There’s a lot of things we haven’t thought about yet with these and access to charging that we take for granted with ICE.
@vasili70
@vasili70 Жыл бұрын
I drive a half ton 4x4 daily as my company vehicle. My average miles per day is less than 200, and I no longer carry 500 lbs of tools and parts around. I would love for my company to assign one of these to me, but I will be getting an ICE F-150 next month. Would have been a great chance for me to see if an EV would be usable in a practical setting.....
@fortunatestandupdesk7892
@fortunatestandupdesk7892 Жыл бұрын
If Ford can make enough of these so they're available at a competitive price with ICE F-150s, this has the potential to be an absolute game changer. The full-tank-everyday aspect of EVs is the thing that should be top of mind rather than the lower "tank" range. All of the EV benefits in a truck package is what will get Americans to finally start changing their "you can take my ICE engine from my cold dead hands" mentality.
@dr._breens_beard
@dr._breens_beard Жыл бұрын
Havent seen one at sub-110k yet.
@heathwirt8919
@heathwirt8919 Жыл бұрын
@@dr._breens_beard Because you're blind.
@jizzyjake6783
@jizzyjake6783 Жыл бұрын
Give me V8s or give me death
@lltany
@lltany Жыл бұрын
I have some subs who are super into this truck. Total cost of ownership is insane on this thing. For example one sub has 10 trucks and is dying to replace them with lightings. When you are sending a crew to a job, last thing you want is to have to pay them to stop and get gas. If you think gas is expensive, wait till you have to pay for gas and for 4 guys to stand around for a man hour. Twice a week. (It does not take 5 minutes to get gas, plus it’s almost always a detour). Can’t even deduct the hours from workers comp anymore. Charging at the shop, on industrial or commercial rates is a no brainer. 150k of these a year won’t be near enough. Sure if you’re in the boonies it won’t work for you. But urban and suburban companies are the highest and best use case.
@timbrown9731
@timbrown9731 Жыл бұрын
Ultra premium content Mark& Jack
@Mr-ed5ep
@Mr-ed5ep Жыл бұрын
I'm gonna love the Maverick EV 4x4.
@Kelvinjan
@Kelvinjan Жыл бұрын
Ford chose to “Frankenstein” the ICE F150 to get the Lightning to market quicker rather than a dedicated EV platform. Time will tell with the pros and cons as more BET (Battery Electric Trucks) come out. As far as the EVs being a home generator, OEMs are certainly starting to develop V2x applications (vehicle to anything). As you mentioned, residential and businesses with chargers will need to be outfitted with the proper hardware, but the intent is to balance grid capacity/utilization and cost to charge. So for example in your home, if it’s a hot summer day and you need to run A/C during peak electric rates, you can use the electricity from your EV to reduce strain to the grid and reduce cost of running your a/c. Then overnight when the grid is less utilized and off peak rates, you can recharge your vehicles. Still lots of develop required to make this a cohesive experience.
@mexifry222
@mexifry222 Жыл бұрын
Wouldn't that tapping the AC into your truck all summer use up more battery life and make it not last as long?
@Kelvinjan
@Kelvinjan Жыл бұрын
@@mexifry222 that’s another thing that’s certainly being studied. There are many things still being looked at and this is an early technology - so only time will tell with more data. You also have to remember that your vehicle will act as a supplemental system, not a standalone.
@freshofftheplane
@freshofftheplane Жыл бұрын
Sure time will tell, but a body on frame is body on frame whether you put on an ICE or an electric drivetrain.
@BigEightiesNewWave
@BigEightiesNewWave Жыл бұрын
The range drops like CRAZY towing a heavy load. Try the Ike Gauntlet !
@parrishwl
@parrishwl Жыл бұрын
Thats a nice truck (minus the XL IPad) and Mark: my mom said "hi" - she wants her glasses back 😊
@JuanCarlosLTO
@JuanCarlosLTO Жыл бұрын
Great truck! My favorite Electric Truck for how normal it looks. Having said that: a big turn off is the dealership network; they operate in such a shady way. I’ve seen what they’ve done with the Mach E, marking it up and eating up the federal rebate like if it was theirs by marking up the car to at least what the rebate is.
@wiseoracle
@wiseoracle Жыл бұрын
This will only be available to purchase online bypassing dealership up marks. They will follow the Tesla model. I can only hope this will push others to follow suit.
@JuanCarlosLTO
@JuanCarlosLTO Жыл бұрын
@@wiseoracle it’d be great if dealerships saw the bigger picture. It’d suck that the Tesla way eliminates some jobs from the car buying process
@Kenman884
@Kenman884 Жыл бұрын
I really would like to see some trucks and full size SUV PHEVs. It would allow you to be a parking lot princess (which is how most people use trucks and large SUVs) without using much or any gas without sacrificing towing range and capacity.
@RAZGR1Z
@RAZGR1Z Жыл бұрын
Yeah man that's exactly what we need. 10,000+ lb. fireballs.
@onesteeltank
@onesteeltank Жыл бұрын
@@RAZGR1Z the Hummer EV is so heavy that it actually uses more fossil fuels than a Chevy Malibu and it "only" weighs 9000 pounds, so stop exaggerating. A PHEV has a fraction of the batteries of a BEV so it'd weigh much less. If people are going to buy SUVs and trucks it would be sensible to at least allow for zero emissions for the average daily commute while also having the gasoline-provided range needed for a road trip
@Kenman884
@Kenman884 Жыл бұрын
@@RAZGR1Z Wut? The battery pack on a long range PHEV would be a couple hundred pounds, and nowhere near as fire-prone as the gasoline system. Get your head screwed on straight.
@Error6503
@Error6503 Жыл бұрын
Ford have registered the names "Ranger Thunder" and "Maverick Thunder" which rumor says are for upcoming PHEV versions, reserving the "Lightning" moniker for pure EVs.
@NotUrDJ
@NotUrDJ Жыл бұрын
@@RAZGR1Z engineering explained could really help your narrative
@Bbacca
@Bbacca Жыл бұрын
The question about grid capacity has been discussed at length within technical circles. The general consensus is usually split into two thoughts. 1. Have "smart" charging network where in-home chargers operate during non-peak hours (typically at night when demand is low). 2. Plug-in electric adoption rates will track the power generation capacity industry where enough grid capacity is added each year to match the demand (as a whole). There will be instances where some areas grow grid faster than adoption and areas where the grid grows slower than adoption. Home-based solar systems with battery backup can supplant the demand for many folks in many regions at a cost...but early adopters tend to be higher income who can adapt their homes before industry finds the right push-pull balance.
@Mnannola
@Mnannola Жыл бұрын
Great review! I'm really not sure how they fix the towing issues anytime soon. Even if they can get the towing range up to 200 or 300 miles, you still are going to have to pull this truck and the load you are towing into a charging station, which does not sound pleasant. I'll be interested to see what Ford/GM/Rivian/Tesla have in store for long haul towing needs.
@moloono1
@moloono1 Жыл бұрын
This actually a pretty nice truck. I’m still waiting for EV range to hit that of ICE vehicles.
@Bonanzaking
@Bonanzaking Жыл бұрын
I think 500 miles will be that sweet spot.
@Matt-tt4cu
@Matt-tt4cu Жыл бұрын
@@Bonanzaking lol 500 miles? that would be increasing modern battery density by a multiplier of 5 under heavy load. We’re talking decades of battery innovation, if it’s even possible
@methos-ey9nf
@methos-ey9nf Жыл бұрын
And what range is that exactly? Most of the cars I've owned (Ford Fusion Sport, Subaru WRX, Chevy Cobalt SS) all had a range of 200-300 miles depending on how I drive. Many EVs can already match or surpass that range. I think what you're really looking for is a level of comfort in your use case because ICE cars have a mature infrastructure and quick refill time. The concern over range comes from charging times and less developed infrastructure. Valid concerns, but lumping it all into range would mean EVs need a 1000 mile range to be competitive.
@Bonanzaking
@Bonanzaking Жыл бұрын
@@Matt-tt4cu you don’t think someone said that a decade ago in regards to smartphone batteries? Time does its thing. Ranges are already nearing parody among some vehicles. Ill bet about 5 to 10 years. Again I use the smartphone analogy. You’ll probably see small incremental boosts in ranges so they can keep selling cars.
@Matt-tt4cu
@Matt-tt4cu Жыл бұрын
@@Bonanzaking Couple problems here: smartphones aren't really turning potential energy into kinetic energy. While it is true, battery density has improved over the last 15 years, but it stalled out about 5 years ago. Also the economics - battery density grew about 30-40% since 2007, with a cost increase of about 70-80%. Phone manufactures also leverage China's labor to produce their phones - which is the ONLY reason they are remotely affordable. Auto makers that sell vehicles in the US don't really have that luxury, and still have to solve the bigger problem of turning potential energy into kinetic energy. Hydrocarbon based fuel vs a battery is no-contest in that regard. And back to economics: Today, virtually every adult in the US owns a smartphone by choice. And as of May 2022, still
@imnotusingmyrealname4566
@imnotusingmyrealname4566 Жыл бұрын
How can the Cybertruck be loaded on a tow truck if it's not even real?
@AB-pl1ko
@AB-pl1ko Жыл бұрын
- because Elon says so.... 🤑
@egibson2266
@egibson2266 Жыл бұрын
Don’t forget that not only do you need to rough in a transfer switch and panel to pull power from you truck to your house, you need the pro power charging system that requires like an 80amp circuit which would likely push you into a 400 amp system which could be mega bucks. Your neighborhood’s infrastructure may not even be able to meet that requiring further cost of Hydro Design to upgrade transformers or under ground services.
@mariomarez2223
@mariomarez2223 Жыл бұрын
There’s a number of people on the forums that are ordering these, opting to do the poor man’s home back up, instead of Sunrun. Have a transfer switch installed and connect your Lightning to it with a cable attached to the back 30 amp. Much cheaper for a back up power outage than using Sunrun.
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