Ford Mustang Mach-E Instrument Panel (IP) Assembly and Analysis
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2 жыл бұрынSandy, Ben, and the Munro Live Team take the instrument panel out of the Mach-E.
2021 Ford Mustang Mach-E E13: IP
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@Grantly 2 жыл бұрын
"he had to die" take no prisoners Sandy.
@tombrenemanMt 2 жыл бұрын
Sandy understands everything about these cars, he just makes the explanations more digestable for us common folks. Great job Sandy, your videos are most informative.
@MunroLive 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks 👍
@MrSvetlin09 2 жыл бұрын
🤣🤣🤣 Thanks for the clarification ...it was needed
@xeontis 2 жыл бұрын
The brakes are still mechanically connected and are not applied by wire, in the unlikely event you loose power I'd hate to think the brakes would stop working. I think in that situation there is no power assist so strong mechanical force is needed hence the "manly" metal instead of plastic. Mechanical connections for brakes and steering seem to be something that should never go by wire only. Thanks Sandy for the great content, although I don't agree with all of your opinions I still appreciate the opportunity to hear them.
@geroldbecker3315 2 жыл бұрын
Fly by wire is standard for years, i am sure that drive by wire will come in the near future.
@michaelwetzel3258 2 жыл бұрын
As soon as I finished watching the video, I went looking for this comment. Are you certain there is still a mechanical connection? If so, Sandy got that wrong.
@xeontis 2 жыл бұрын
@@michaelwetzel3258 at kzfaq.info/get/bejne/ntCYfrOeubybhJ8.html he shows the "master cylinder" assembly, clearly has a shaft that attaches to a lever of some kind. At kzfaq.info/get/bejne/ntCYfrOeubybhJ8.html he shows the brake pedal, if you look close there's a hole behind it (upper portion on the firewall) where the shaft comes through and attaches to the brake pedal lever. Also see how floppy that pedal is? that's because it's been disconnected from the mastery cylinder.
@DragNetJoe 2 жыл бұрын
@@geroldbecker3315 Most people don't understand the level of redundancy present in fly-by-wire aircraft systems. An FA-18 has 4 channels powered by 4 generators and a battery. Any combination of failures that are bad enough to make the FBW system fail would make the airplane crash anyway. Redundancy like that isn't cheap. A mechanical backup is a relatively inexpensive way to solve your redundancy problem.
@geroldbecker3315 2 жыл бұрын
@@DragNetJoe You are right. The actual mechanical systems do not have a real redundancy (e.g. leak of break fluid in the system), because they are so reliable. Maybe for drive by wire system, a single redundancy would be ok. The regulators will need a long time for giving us an answer like for the old school side mirrors :-)
@Ben-Ken 2 жыл бұрын
Sandy must love those wooden Japanese castles built without nails or screws.
@markplott4820 2 жыл бұрын
True, but they burned like heck.
@supertyp9148 2 жыл бұрын
No, he doesn’t. He would claim they should better be made of plastic, because it’s cheaper.
@Chainyanker007 2 жыл бұрын
Not only castles, some people’s houses were built without nails.
@davidneuzil9356 2 жыл бұрын
"Ford contacted us to make the correction on Battery supplier"......Wow, that means Ford is watching Sandy, I hope that all manufacturers will watch Sandy to see how good or bad they did. Hopefully all manufactureres will continue to make improvements which is good for all consumers. Who is most responsible for incredible EV'S ? Elon #1, Sandy #2
@NoWastedCalories 2 жыл бұрын
Can’t forget the Chinese who desperately copy Tesla
@ryandoyle4344 2 жыл бұрын
I believe Sandy mentioned that Tesla has already implemented least one suggestion within weeks, increasing storage
@bobwallace9753 2 жыл бұрын
@@NoWastedCalories That's smart. Progress is Deasily made by standing on the shoulders of giants. Detroit gave away the small car market to Japan because they refused to do what was working.
@fredbloggs5902 2 жыл бұрын
If Ford are watching, you gotta feel for the guys behind the things that get criticised, it can’t be good for their promotion prospects!
@teslaowner9020 2 жыл бұрын
Does this mean he is sponsored by Ford?
@7minutecopilot584 2 жыл бұрын
Regarding the brakes, a strong pedal is still needed. When you hit the pedal you still press into brake fluid in the first place which transfers the force into a sensor. In case of an electric failure the brakes still have to work. So the force bypasses the sensor and goes directly to the calipers via the brake fluid with a lot of force on the pedal required.
@ymcpa73 2 жыл бұрын
Ok, but wouldn't the plastic pedal be sufficient. If you were applying the force regularly, eventually the plastic would break. In that situation the metal pedal makes sense. However, the scenario you described is very rare. The plastic pedal is still strong and wouldn't break if the required force was applied.
@markmuir7338 2 жыл бұрын
These brake systems are fully fly-by-wire. There's no hydraulic connection to the pedal. I'm not sure when this was first allowed - but my guess is it was introduced with EVs, because of the availability of regenerative braking, which is on a separate electrical system (the HV side, whilst the brake pump is on the 12V system).
@michaeljones1664 2 жыл бұрын
@@markmuir7338 Well, keep in mind what happens during emergency braking. As more braking is applied, more force against the pedal is applied, due to the forward momentum. Not only that, during a frontal crash, significant forces will be applied on that pedal if the foot is still there. One may easily be able to break a plastic brake pedal during such situations and I’m sure seeing a brake pedal broken during a accident investigation will create serious questions regarding the safety and crashworthiness of the vehicle.
@DooMMasteR 2 жыл бұрын
@@markmuir7338 they are most likely not full brake by wire. At least the VW system uses a link to a modulated cylinder to provide feel/feedback as well as act as an emergency brake cylinder for cases where the electronics have failed... It might be unassisted, but it will still brake the car.
@cedricpomerleau5586 2 жыл бұрын
@@markmuir7338 Look closely, we see the hole where the brake assembly connects to the pedal. That’s why his pedal was loose. This car IS NOT equipped with brake by wire, but there’s indeed some cars that do it.
@imignap 2 жыл бұрын
13:22 This is not exactly true there is still a linkage arm connected to a master cylinder assembly underneath the hood it was actually taken out in the beginning at 0:08...
@LotusEuropa73 2 жыл бұрын
This needs more upvotes, I had no idea what Sandy was talking about - even if the car didn't have a physical connection - which at 0:08 it looks like it does, it would still simulate a force to the driver and so would need a sturdy metal pedal.
@harsimranbansal5355 2 жыл бұрын
@@LotusEuropa73 like sandy said, you can make it just as sturdy without using metal which is heavier.
@MrPesto-gy2lt 2 жыл бұрын
Very good reply. Was also wondering about this, as I guess everyone knows how hard it would be to break w/o the motor being turned on (or the battery) supplying the brake booster. Guess it would be the same for power steering. If I was a car manufacturer, I would definitly shy away from relying solely on working power steering / brake boosting. While this systems are very reliable, the prospect of any failure in this systems and the consequences to passengers and the car makers image wouldn't be worth the money saved. Same thing is true for door opener / unlock buttons w/o any physical 'hazard' switch to get out of the car.
@andersmusikka 2 жыл бұрын
That's a relief! Having a brake system that wouldn't work after loss of electric power would have been really worrying!
@Tom-ku8bu 2 жыл бұрын
@@andersmusikka there's still hopefully an handbrake you can use
@muffin9831 2 жыл бұрын
The brake controller module taken out at the start of the video is the mechanical link to the hydraulic brakes it amplifies the brake pressure via a electrical controlled piston it also provides force feedback to the pedal when electric regeneration brakes are being used by the motor control
@chris6770 2 жыл бұрын
"The guy in charge of accelerators had to die" Hahaha! Is this a confession, Sandy? Was it natural causes? 12:09
@hallkbrdz 2 жыл бұрын
Or was it yet another open window / elevator / stair accident? (the register)
@trengilly01 2 жыл бұрын
"Unfortunately, that's the way it works" love it!
@1943vermork 2 жыл бұрын
Reminds me in the 90’s they changed the name of my high school for... wait for it... the “rainbow high school”. A majority of people were not pleased with this naming. Out of respect for the employee that came up with that naming idea, the school waited until that employee retire of old age to fix the name. It only took 25 years of waiting.
@damfadd 2 жыл бұрын
@@1943vermork but now it's relevant ... the world changes as do attitudes
@okjhum 2 жыл бұрын
Die casting is the way we have to go.
@peterwilliams3246 2 жыл бұрын
It’s like seeing a brain work, messages sparking between neurones. Don’t edit, don’t polish don’t cut to edited snippets, carry on with this live, raw and Brilliant promotion of your services.
@eddiegardner8232 2 жыл бұрын
That cabin air filter serviceable design is really slick. I recently sold a Mercedes which I had bought the replacement filter for 5 years ago. I never installed it because of the contortions and fasteners required to get it out. Give the Ford engineer a gold star and promotion for this design.
@texastriguy 2 жыл бұрын
Sandy we LOVE seeing more of the team! Ben and Cory and others are awesome. Its not that we don't love YOU...but its great for those that are part of the team to get to share their excitement, enthusiasm, and expertise with us. Keep bringing new faces to the videos so we can get to know everyone and so they get their time in the spotlight.
@imho7250 2 жыл бұрын
@13:07 I think Sandy doesn’t understand that the electric brake booster is still a mechanical hydraulic device, which is augmented by an electric motor, but will still work if the electric motor fails, just like vacuum brakes still work if the vacuum assist fails. You still need a brake pedal which won’t break when you do a 200 pound single leg press on it in an emergency. I’ll take my brake level in steel please.
@ranxerox10 2 жыл бұрын
seems like he doesnt know
@imho7250 2 жыл бұрын
@@ranxerox10, clearly not if he thinks it’s just a dimmer switch and he can use the brake pedal from a Fisher Price Barbie jeep. I just hope the guy at Ford insisting on steel brake levers doesn’t die anytime soon. Lol
@ranxerox10 2 жыл бұрын
@@imho7250 you cant know everything
@imho7250 2 жыл бұрын
@@ranxerox10, yes, later Sandy is going to punch the dude who told him it was just a dimmer switch after he says “duh, of course it’s still a mechanical hydraulic system in case the dimmer switch fails”. Lol. I’m sort of surprised they don’t let the Munro team watch it first and fix things in post editing.
@Miata822 2 жыл бұрын
There is certainly a potentiometer or position sensor on the pedal arm to blend in regen before the mechanical brakes engage.
@gouravdey1085 2 жыл бұрын
At 14:58 , The bracket that you see should be a BCM bracket and you should have a BCM(Body Controlled Module) fitted to it . So When you uninstalled the IP panel you must have un-installed the BCM already(that's how its designed) , may be that's the reason you do not see the BCM when you uninstalled the IP. When you do the assembly , the sequence is 1) BCM bracket 2) IP 3) BCM
@julianriise5618 2 жыл бұрын
The other guys at Munro should adopt Sandy's way of narrating; What I like about this car is... because... What I don't like is... because. Simple, but effective, keep it up!
@earnmyturns6305 2 жыл бұрын
Air filter at around 8’: I cant tell how/if it is separated from the space in behind the frunk tub. In two of my vehicles, one a Ford F150, mice found their way to the air intake, happily chewed my air filters into nesting material, once perforated got inside the cabin. Once the first mouse finds her way in others follow the scent trail. Cost thousands of $ to me and my insurance. Eventually I had the local body shop glue a barrier of hardware cloth to the air intake. OEM should should design to avoid an issue like that.
@MrSvetlin09 2 жыл бұрын
Great Idea but did you think of taking care of the mice problem?
@earnmyturns6305 2 жыл бұрын
@@MrSvetlin09 hi. I need to park outdoors in a rural area, sometimes I’ll leave the vehicle at a trail head in the woods while I am of pf in the mountains for a few days. I can’t very well wipe out the rodent population of British Columbia.
@MrSvetlin09 2 жыл бұрын
@@earnmyturns6305 😂😂😂👍
@Sylvan_dB 2 жыл бұрын
My old Ford Escape has a fine metal screen around the cabin air intake and the filter is inside the screened area. I'll make to make sure my newer vehicles have a similar screen. Rodents are a problem!
@timmydevil999 2 жыл бұрын
Never had this issue... Sounds isolated
@Chucka1463 2 жыл бұрын
Hah, it took me 15 minutes to figure out that IP means Instrument Panel. Every industry has it's abbreviations that the insiders expect the world to know.
@brianstevens7241 2 жыл бұрын
Yes. It isn't a dashboard, it's an instrument panel.
@pasad335 2 жыл бұрын
Yeah, why say "IP" instead of "Instrument Panel" but then always say "Body in White" instead of just "Body"?
@timboatfield 2 жыл бұрын
@@pasad335 Ha, don't get me started. In America, If it's not abreviated, it didn't happen. My current favorite example is the transporters at Boca Chica, which they call SPMT Self Propelled Modular Transporter, A. That could be a vatiety of vehicles, i won't list and B. It's quicker to juat say transporter.
@markplott4820 2 жыл бұрын
The BEST definition, is NO definition with no Abbreviations.
@philipppaulk 2 жыл бұрын
Because there is also the trimmed body.
@stewartstarling2309 2 жыл бұрын
Sandy, you guys are doing phenomenal work and you’re really putting the manufacturer’s and there manufacturing processes on the spot. I absolutely enjoy every second of your videos. #nerds. ❤️
@r.a.monigold9789 2 жыл бұрын
Sandy - that was dandy. Ben, you were great, once again. Thanks for sharing...
@JohnDoe-zc3fg 2 жыл бұрын
"And the guy in charge of the accelerator department had to die" - No one can stand between Sandy Munro and progress 😱
@fredbloggs5902 2 жыл бұрын
It was a real tragedy that his brakes mysteriously failed like they did 🤣
@paullester2535 2 жыл бұрын
brutal!
@capn2289 2 жыл бұрын
A couple more quips like that and HBO will turn Munro Live into a series. ... just need to figure out how to justify some gratuitous nudity.
@altonriggs2352 2 жыл бұрын
It's still a cold case!!
@markplott4820 2 жыл бұрын
FUD motors & gm are DEAD.
@tumbleweed1976 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you both 🎈
@Merlmabase 2 жыл бұрын
Regarding the brake pedal. Even though actual braking force is no longer mechanically connected to the pedal, any driver in a panic-braking situation is going to hammer that pedal with their full weight. Does Ford maybe have a preference for a material that will deform rather than crack under the most extreme loads?
@ranxerox10 2 жыл бұрын
it is still mechanically connected
@nickparkin8527 2 жыл бұрын
The same materials they’ve been using for the last 100 years
@rhamph 2 жыл бұрын
It's basic engineering to know your loads and design for them. Slamming the breaks is part of that, you do tests, do modeling, add a safety factor, and figure out the load. After that it doesn't matter what material you pick, as long as they meet the requirements. Every material bends, deforms, fatigues, breaks, etc if you push it hard enough.
@Ficon 2 жыл бұрын
@@ranxerox10 Yup, Sandy is wrong. At least he says incorrect things with authority and confidence.
@ZzHasbrozZ 2 жыл бұрын
There has to be some force feedback no? As you brake your body is slowing down slower than the car and pushed into the IP. Your foot is a major point of contact. The one time I test drove a model s I can’t say I felt anything different than a normal car brake. But that was a long time ago.
@trevorbickle821 2 жыл бұрын
It’s always good to correct your mistakes when you’re being recorded
@trevorbickle821 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks Sandy
@trevorbickle821 2 жыл бұрын
Very informational
@psdaengr911 2 жыл бұрын
I would have liked to hear more about how the electric replacement for the vacuum/hydraulic brake booster works.
@jamesvandamme7786 2 жыл бұрын
Well, it has a snap on hose. Outside of that, some kind of magic. ????????
@cedricpomerleau5586 2 жыл бұрын
He didn’t talk about it because this car isn’t equipped with that. It’s still equipped with a traditional brake system, it’s just that the vacuum is made by a pump. We literally see the hole where it would connect to the pedal and the pedal was loose because the mechanical link wasn’t in place.
@teslamr7333 2 жыл бұрын
Ben is a great asset to these videos!
@dolex161 2 жыл бұрын
Production value is going up on these videos! Awesome work folks
@MunroLive 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks Dominic
@thomasgrimm1664 2 жыл бұрын
It's so cool to watch you guys take down a car piece by piece. I've never had much interest in automobiles, but presented this way, it keeps me glued to the screen!
@Durianpieenthusiast 2 жыл бұрын
I think every engineering student should watch these videos. I’ve read so much of the theory etc. behind these things, but it’s awesome to not just be able to see such amazing commentary on it, but compare it comprehensively across new product lines.
@garfieldchenyu1 2 жыл бұрын
Regarding replacing the cabin air filter, Tesla is a 14 step process includes a warning that you are risking your life for it: " Warning: Do not stretch, bend or otherwise damage the orange High Voltage (HV) cables that are attached to the cabin filter cover. If the HV cables are damaged, immediately discontinue this procedure. HV shock can result in serious injury or death. "
@cgamiga 2 жыл бұрын
Not for Model 3/Y, they have access from front passenger footwell, but yes for S/X is very involved, (12v battery also, though refresh models are changing to lithium)
@vaibhavdlv 2 жыл бұрын
Man, with that orange high voltage cable attached to that cabin filter, it has to be mighty powerful!! I mean like szzzzz and the contamination is fried!!
@Nderak 2 жыл бұрын
thought you just opened uo the frunk cowling and changed it?
@cgamiga 2 жыл бұрын
@@Nderak Nope, the steps are more involved than that... many pieces to remove for Model S/X... including the actual FRUNK itself! www.tesla.com/support/do-it-yourself-model-s#replace-hepa-filter www.tesla.com/support/do-it-yourself-model-x#hepa-filter Model 3 is much simpler, just bit of pain to get at one securing torx screw, awkward access in footwell. www.tesla.com/support/do-it-yourself-model-3#replace-air-filter
@EV_OBD 2 жыл бұрын
HEPA filter in Model X is so huge, the only place it can fit is the back wall of the frunk, a pretty ingenious solution. And those 14 steps are mostly just plastic covers and the frunk.
@dptubexx 2 жыл бұрын
Sandy, your story about the manager in charge of the accelerator department having to die for an engineering change to happen is so telling of why old-school auto manufacturers are so messed up today and why companies like Tesla are eating their lunch (and taking their lunch money, too). So sad to see complacency take down the US auto (Or any) industry.
@pasad335 2 жыл бұрын
An effective manager should never need to speak or make decisions, their subordinates should be trained and empowered sufficiently so that the manager does not need to be the bottleneck in the process. If a manager is constantly talking over or correcting their staff and insisting on being involved directly in every process, that's a sure sign of a 'bottleneck'.
@gegwen7440 2 жыл бұрын
@@pasad335 In other words an idiot (usually with a degree in mice droppings) given the job by Big Sir as all he wants is idiots who he can blame.
@airheart1 2 жыл бұрын
Tesla IS part of the US auto industry.. and their intent was to innovate and force the auto industry globally, to follow. If some can't cut it. Let 'em die, and the space will be filled by new players who CAN compete. It will not be the end of the US auto industry. It will be a beginning of a new, better US auto industry. Tesla.. Rivian.. others yet to be determined, but if there's money to be made.. and there is.. they will come. These old oems are just trying to turn a giant ship of inefficiencies and old ways of doing things.. some may navigate it.. I sincerely doubt they all will.
@dptubexx 2 жыл бұрын
@@airheart1 agreed. Did not want to imply Tesla is not part of the US auto industry. Maybe new vs. old US auto industry would have been clearer. Nevertheless, Tesla has the advantage, and surprisingly, given what Munro has uncovered so far, Ford (This Mach-E) is not as bad as I thought it would be. The question is, will Ford iterate changes in a rapid manner to continuously improve the product and manufacturing. This does not appear to be in their DNA, like it is with Tesla. And don’t get me wrong, I do hope Ford and others get there. Steep climb ahead…
@pasad335 2 жыл бұрын
@@gegwen7440 Not necessarily. I have seen very intelligent, good people be very bad managers and leaders. You will know you've reached leadership nirvana when an important client meeting or presentation goes off successfully, your trained, trusted and empowered staff handles it and YOU DON'T HAVE TO SAY ANYTHING.
@fluffy24 2 жыл бұрын
Love your work guys, love your thoughts on the engineering done on these cars.
@MunroLive 2 жыл бұрын
Much appreciated!
@jamesseay9943 2 жыл бұрын
Learning so much from the Munro Live Team. Love the terminology such as - that very large Magnesium Die Casting found in the Ford Mustang Mach-e that contributes to "crash worthiness" and getting rid of "NVH" (noise, vibration & harshness). Translation to a commoner like me: Stuff explained that helps put a smile on my face when I get behind the wheel. Thanks Sandy and Ben. Keep up the good work.
@bob15479 2 жыл бұрын
Last time I was this early Sandy Clause was coming to town.
@Frank-pv1hp 2 жыл бұрын
I'm surprised that Sandy got the brake system so wrong. As others have commented, the brake pedal is still connected to a linkage in the brake master cylinder. If all electronics fail in the brake system, you can still stop the vehicle, though not as easily or quickly, by pressing hard on the pedal. If you've ever driven a car without power brakes, this is what it would be like. Toyota has used this identical set up since the 90's and they are very reliable. Our shop has only replaced a few out of the thousands of Toyota/Lexus vehicles that we've serviced over the decades.
@dnatsa 2 жыл бұрын
Love your humor, It helps me through the day!
@MunroLive 2 жыл бұрын
Glad you enjoy it!
@davidlowton3423 2 жыл бұрын
These videos are great, Thanks Sandy and team.
@fred993a 2 жыл бұрын
Sandy - your engineering analysis is wonderful!
@Pedro5antos_ 2 жыл бұрын
AWESOME content! Thank you guys
@thomaslemay8817 2 жыл бұрын
The one aspect of Automotive engineering technology whear all automobiles engineers fail is in serviceability. A grate example, Tesla telling a customer he must purchase a $16000 battery because they molded a $2 coolant line connector into the battery instead of making it replaceable.
@peteg8123 2 жыл бұрын
Been watching Rich Rebuilds? 😀
@erikbuiten14 2 жыл бұрын
They do. But Tesla don’t, that’s the difference between Tesla and the others. The others have 100 years of experience. Tesla has 10.
@bluetoad2668 2 жыл бұрын
@@erikbuiten14 the best service is no service
@erikbuiten14 2 жыл бұрын
@@bluetoad2668 sure. But they still need service as we don’t have the tech to support your supposedly service free vision.
@hallkbrdz 2 жыл бұрын
@@bluetoad2668 Only in a perfect world... the lab
@SM2005_ 2 жыл бұрын
Woke up. Saw this was only posted for 2 hours. Couldn’t wait to watch. Always an awesome job Sandy! Keep it up.
@MunroLive 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you! Will do!
@frigzy3748 2 жыл бұрын
iBooster is not just a "dimmer switch". There is still a mechanical connection between the brake pedal and the master cylinder. The electric motor will assist in braking, but if it stops working, you can still operate the brake, it's just going to be much stiffer. There is an emergency mode in software for situations like that: ABS/ESP pump will help to create the pressure for braking. The brake will feel very rough but it will work.
@fullyelectric 2 жыл бұрын
Awesome content! Keep them coming! Thank you 👍
@beilkster 2 жыл бұрын
I received my signed MunroLive bumper sticker yesterday!
@kirkjohnson9353 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for supporting this content.
@mattsecord1952 2 жыл бұрын
That void you saw under glovebox is the bracket that holds the BCM. It's not a space for future designs. Guessing one of your guys took the BCM out before you looked at it. Otherwise you pretty much have a dead car.
@zxggwrt 2 жыл бұрын
The best thing I heard sandy say was, well, we tried with polymer accelerator pedals but no takers until the guy in charge died. Sometimes, well, that's what it takes!
@ranxerox10 2 жыл бұрын
your statement about brakes is not entirely true. the pedal is still conected to the hydraulics. and ists not a "dimmer" switch, its directly connected to the hydraulics via a pressure sensor inside the brake booster.
@mroek 2 жыл бұрын
Yes, and hence the pedal needs some strength. If what Sandy said were correct, it would be a true "brake by wire" system, and I don't think that would be legal anywhere in the world. If the electronics dies, you have no brakes. Not safe enough, I think.
@aiev5545 2 жыл бұрын
Yep, this is a passive and overall safety that needs to be mechanical in case of electric failure.
@genzigzag 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks again for another great upload Uncle Sandy! The brake pedal assembly is very telling... I am fairly certain, my old 1998 VW NB, MKV Golf and GLi had plastic composite brake and accelerator assemblies( not sure about the clutch)as does my current Audi' and my Miata... I am guessing it's a parts bin issue for Ford.
@hazarjdm786hazar 2 жыл бұрын
This is very cool stuff, I could watch this all day, Ford is for sure taking notes
@drdremd 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you gentlemen
@providentpathfinders219 2 жыл бұрын
I am so glad I found this channel! I cannot wait for a tear down of a bronco sport and/or maverick. I am really looking into these vehicles and i don’t care for the “i think and i feel” reviews out there currently.
@chrisheath2637 2 жыл бұрын
Sandy Munro - the IP man of autos.
@jamesbruce1183 2 жыл бұрын
That extra space is for the module that will allow over the air updates.
@NoeChC 10 ай бұрын
the assembly of the ip is done in another company called Grupo Antolin Cuautitlan
@moondog-HMB 2 жыл бұрын
Awesome job! Can't wait to see what's in store for tomorrow:)
@thatsanicepicture2 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you Sandy and Ben. This Mach-E series is very informative. Ben... Relax. You're doing great.
@MunroLive 2 жыл бұрын
Glad you enjoy it!
@danneil8778 2 жыл бұрын
thank you, Sandy. 3D printed forward bulkheads/IPs will do the same work at a third the weight. I suppose magnesium bazooka bar should probably stay.
@lilredcummins 2 жыл бұрын
Sandy & associates, my overall feeling about the Mach E, based on your comments, is that this car is somewhat ahead in design and manufacturing techniques. When you get done with the vehicle teardown, please recap the areas that need improvement vs the areas that are advanced, and if possible, give us a 0 (poor)-100 (desirable) grade overall of design and manufacturing. Thank you for doing this!
@JamesDornbos 2 жыл бұрын
Ben with the fresh cut!
@LeutnantComanderData 2 жыл бұрын
I’d love to hear more about the windscreen wiper assembly - love your videos sandy. They really got me interested in automotive engineering. I can now barely watch anything else becayse it’s never in depth enough haha I’d also love to hear some details about the rotor or propeller design that you have behind your desk that produces very little noise. I’d also be totally up for a physics lesson on this!
@nihongobenkyoshimasu3190 2 жыл бұрын
14:40 This big hole and unused area seems to be the location reserved to install a Righ Hand Drive steering column?
@jamesengland7461 2 жыл бұрын
I was wondering the same thing
@markplott4820 2 жыл бұрын
Nihongo - why not engineer the car with a Movable steering column, so same car can be configured for both market's ?
@donjones4719 2 жыл бұрын
@@markplott4820 That's what he meant. A movable steering column needs some place to move to, i.e. this empty location. However, right hand drive involves the pedals and other stuff, I think it needs a very different IP.
@davidelliott5843 2 жыл бұрын
My RHD Fiat Panda has the same column and pedals as LHD. A big lever take brake pedal force to the booster pack. Clutch is hydraulic (works either way. Loud pedal is drive by wire. Heater is centrally mounted. However fuse boxes don’t move and heater speed control resistor us near impossible to reach. It would be so easy to put the resistor on a heat sink and to run the wires centrally. Then the fuse box could swap sides easy-as.
@RayNLA 2 жыл бұрын
That’s exactly correct!
@nv1493 2 жыл бұрын
I'm pretty sure this series is being closely reviewed and discussed at Ford. Lets hope they use the objective info to improve next years model, especially battery pack such as coolant connections and perimeter seal. This vehicle is worth the time spent to improve.
@GROND15 2 жыл бұрын
I'd bet more than just Ford people are watching. It's much more efficient to learn from your competitor's mistakes than your own.
@gabechiplin8140 2 жыл бұрын
If that abs/master cylinder unit was from the mustang it clearly has a mechanical pushrods activation, hence the steel pedal assembly. I think it will be a while before we move to completely electronic braking without manual backup
@A2an 2 жыл бұрын
It is always a pleasure to watch your video 😊👍
@MunroLive 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you so much 😀
@kirk8985 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you
@CARRJ142 2 жыл бұрын
Another great video.
@MrFoxRobert 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you!
@MunroLive 2 жыл бұрын
You bet!
@MarioDallaRiva 2 жыл бұрын
Hopefully that "dimmer switch" brake pedal can still provide feedback to my internal brake feel sensors...
@LotusEuropa73 2 жыл бұрын
I was confused by sandy talking about it just being a dimmer switch. Obviously it still provides feedback to the driver so it would need to be made out of something more sturdy than plastic.
@cedricpomerleau5586 2 жыл бұрын
It’s not a dimmer switch, Sandy showed earlier that this car is still equipped with a master cylinder directly linked to the pedal. I have no clue why Sandy said that. The pedal was literally loose in his hands because the cylinder was unattached. He clearly doesn’t understand how this breaking system works. Brake by wire exist, but this car isn’t equipped with it.
@frederickmathews 2 жыл бұрын
Perfect Choice of Music :)
@Miata822 2 жыл бұрын
Good video. In my test drive of the Mach E I found the brakes to be touchy and over-boosted. Now I know why. Will be interesting to see a Lincoln built on this platform. That could really wake up the brand.
@vorant77 2 жыл бұрын
Ford "might" actually redeem itself in my eyes with the Mach-E, only time will tell.
@rick67hou 2 жыл бұрын
As usual, another informative video making me wish I was an engineer.
@Heckofadeal 2 жыл бұрын
Great video!!!
@MunroLive 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you!!
@BizMgr-USAFl 2 жыл бұрын
In Vietnam, our choppers that caught fire would burn to the point of total destruction even after being jettisoned overboard into the ocean. Their magnesium skin and wheels continued to burn underwater until consumed. Many bad memories for our aircraft crash & rescue crews.
@TennisGvy 2 жыл бұрын
I had to take 4 panels off to get to my XF's air filter. I'm so jealous
@gegwen7440 2 жыл бұрын
The Honda FRV had this sussed in 2004
@yankabilly1963 2 жыл бұрын
That hyacinth drain hose keeps getting broken off when using the iPad mounting tool if you get in the hole and are behind on the mounting works good if you are on time or ahead
@b0chen 2 жыл бұрын
12:28 when Sandy had to call his mob connections ;)
@markplott4820 2 жыл бұрын
Sandy is actually the Godfather.........of Automotive Cartel. say......Hello to my Little Friend........lol.
@eliyasne9695 2 жыл бұрын
@@markplott4820 Say hello to my little threaded fastener...
@davidelliott5843 2 жыл бұрын
Plastics that break today (or tomorrow) work perfectly well on engine inlet manifolds so why not accelerator pedals?
@RayNLA 2 жыл бұрын
Here’s why! teslamotorsclub.com/tmc/threads/accelerator-pedal-broke-off.92712/
@Revenant7n 2 жыл бұрын
If by work perfectly well, you mean break when removed next, then yes. I was a service advisor for a couple years and we had a 50% or so chance of micro cracks when plastic manifolds were removed. They just experience to many heat cycles. Then again, the oil pan and drain plugs are plastic at this point too.
@htnowpro 2 жыл бұрын
THE SINGLE SHOCKING ELEMENT NO ONE HAS NOTICED OR SPOKE ABOUT: That is the Audio Control Module mounted on the firewall behind the hvac drain tower. Doors and dash removal needed to replace the radio.....ouch!!!
@TheHsan22 2 жыл бұрын
Was the column-mounted power steering motor helping to reduce the differences between left and right hand drive versions of the car reducing assembly or parts holdings? I have long thought that the more functions are controlled by electronics, the less differences there are. The Mach-E is also built in RHD configuration.
@ProbeGT2 2 жыл бұрын
3:04 they even designed a nice smilie face in the steering column
@ThisRandomUsername 2 жыл бұрын
Those snap fits on a safety critical system are interesting. Are they a new thing in the American car industry, or just new in the braking system? My Alfa 156 from 2000 has the same fittings on the fuel supply and fuel breather lines, but the older hydraulic snap hose clamps in the braking system.
@YKSGuy 2 жыл бұрын
Recently changed the cabin filter in my Mazda.. what a PITA that was, it was also tiny and VERY dirty..
@hikintrailsndrinkinales 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for clearing up the SK/LG battery sourcing mistake. I do remember there being a law suit against SK and I was curious what course of action Ford had taken.
@Miata822 2 жыл бұрын
Ford is using SK in the electric F-150
@gegwen7440 2 жыл бұрын
Citroen had a brake button many years ago that worked a treat at the time, also If that stirring motor fails the bill to replace it will make you cry with enough tears to easily fill your oh so useful frunk.
@AlexandruJalea 2 жыл бұрын
The music at the start ... Man!!! The effing music 🤘🎸🎸
@EVMANVSGAS 2 жыл бұрын
I like your choice of music
@geroldbecker3315 2 жыл бұрын
I like to see more Ping Pong between Sandy and Ben. I enjoy this videos a lot.
@MunroLive 2 жыл бұрын
more to come! Just finished filming a new episode today with Ben and Sandy.
@maraudermanmarauderman7161 2 жыл бұрын
The brake pedal is mechanical. If the electronics fail you can manually actuate the master cylinder but it requires a large amount of force and travel to do so, if it works anyway like the systems on the older Ford Hybrids and PHEVs. .
@stephenward4313 2 жыл бұрын
With all the issues with the LG Chem battery for the Bolt EV, is there a similar issue coming with the Mach E LG Chem battery? How different are they? Really appreciate your videos on these various cars and car issues.
@Tony-hx2fj 2 жыл бұрын
although the brake pedal works like a dimmer switch, and 99% of the time it won't be jammed hard, but I imagine in hard braking and as it ages, and as Sandy said, there are two kinds of plastic one that breaks today and one that breaks tomorrow, I dont see why it wouldn't break in an emergency when you push you foot through the floor to stop the car, ( for people that never drove pre abs cars where you knew that you had to modulate the breaks yourself)
@henvan8737 2 жыл бұрын
Did you find any mounting points on the Mach-E that would relate to a right hand drive versions of this vehicle.
@butchbailey8565 2 жыл бұрын
Good Show as usual. Interesting to hear about all the good qualities of magnesium. Should TESLA have considered it for front and rear castings? Could the same INDIRA machin be used?
@zxggwrt 2 жыл бұрын
The best thing about magnesium is that the batteries will catch it all on fire making cleanup with a leaf blower possible
@blakee9690 2 жыл бұрын
That blank spot on the passenger looks like a spot where the amplifier would go on the upgraded sound system.
@psdaengr911 2 жыл бұрын
A 5 channel class D car amp or computer shouldn't need that much space, maybe for an intruding part of a 4WD system?
@blakee9690 2 жыл бұрын
@@psdaengr911 OEMs aren’t known for using the best (smallest) available audio upgrades. The model he’s tearing down is an AWD, so anything that would have been related to that would have been on the car. I was partially thinking this because the grey box it’s next to is likely the main “brain” for the touchscreen.
@rtz549 2 жыл бұрын
Bolt EV has a column mounted motor too.
@playnextgame 2 жыл бұрын
Guys, at 11:07 I can see at the left side of the picture that that EV dedicated brake module definitely has a bar which the brake pedal connects with... Few minutes later you're explaining that the break pedal is like a dimmer. Are those both parts from the Mach-E? If so, what else is connected to the bar of that brake module? Any servo drive or something else? As I know in the past the brake system should have the feature of direct drive from the pedal to the main brake cylinder to be able driver to brake in case of electronic or power off as well as vacuum booster. Thanks!
@cedricpomerleau5586 2 жыл бұрын
This car is equipped with mechanical breaks. I have no clue what Sandy was talking about. It does exist, but this car doesn’t have it. There might be a dimmer on the pedal to allow for regen blending with the brakes, but that’s it.
@chada472 11 ай бұрын
The Mach E is the best built EV!
@obraik 2 жыл бұрын
So looking at that body from the front, am I right in assuming that it's not dual purpose for both LHD & RHD? Both the Model 3 & Y looked like they could use the same body for either config. Which way is the better way to do it?
@thatsanicepicture2 2 жыл бұрын
Could you please use the "Close Caption" option for your videos. This is a great channel but I have a hearing problem and the CC would really help.. Thank you.
@mikesveganlife4359 2 жыл бұрын
Did they do anything new with brake lines to support the more complex braking system? I.e. fluid change intervals, better containment of contamination. It would also be interesting to share what "Fail-Safe" looks like with those new all-electric brake systems. The old way often could handle contamination for quite a while, and when they finally failed their replacement costs were quite low. I'm guessing that an integrated electric brake system is not inexpensive to repair.
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