Yep, even the used pickup market is outrageous! I'm at the point now where I'm going to buy one with a blown motor and fix it myself to get a half way reasonable price all things considered.

My thoughts exactly. I like the videos because i live vicuriously through the videos but no way i would consider spending so kuch on a truck unless it was for business and ROI was high enough.

I'm glad I am still (supposedly) grandfathered in to the original price for the lightning pro. With the tax credit it comes out to less than what a ICE truck costs now anyway. Prices are just out of control

No asking how much something is keeps people poor grant cardone worth half a bill still asks the price of his dinner get over yourself 😂

Agree, I have a Lightning Pro, fantastic vehicle

No thanks.

Mohammed bin Salman envites you to the Saudi consulate near you.

MBS, sends his thanks to all ICEV buyers

I would love to see a PHEV 3/4 to 1 ton truck that has 80 km of unladen around town range with a range extender that gives enough power to tow it's rated load uphill with a fuel tank large enough for at least 500 km of towing range before needing to be refueled, a small turbo diesel range extender is preferred of course.

Exactly it's like saying how much weight can a Ferrari carry or tow. It's annoying people want to know it. Plus it's a heavy vehicle that can get up to speed fast are the brakes and tires capable to stop such a fast heavy vehicle? My guess is brakes are tires are engineered for towing and loads not stopping a fast heavy vehicle in a short distance from high speed.

Exactly, Robert.

Not all of us want or can have a high performance car and plus a truck, so don't speak for all truck owners. I love my lightning and 0 to 60 definitely has meaning, a lot of truck owners like to accelerate quickly once in awhile, I'm certainly not sick of it. If it has the range, towing capacity and payload for individuals specific needs then more isn't better or needed. I tow a trailer exactly 160km and it gives me enough, having a huge battery would just be a waste of degrading value for "ME". EV trucks are perfect when you have a predictable routine day or trip, not if random exploration and vast traveling is your thing.

Whatta Bout drag racing while pulling a trailer with a Porsche 911 on it?? .. don't truck guys need that? /s

@Enrique A Thiele Solivan 🤣

The key us the ram is an actual truck. It's no different than the gas. They kept the range the same as well. I can get up to 500mi on a full tank of gas in my 16 hemi with 3.92 rears if I'm trying real hard. Always 450 or so. This will be in production in 24 amd labled as a 25. Remember before. Things would be built in April of a previous year and at the dealer for you to buy in September. We'll, that's what they're shooting for. Noting on this truck is that different form what they have now. Go jump in a loaded 1500 now, it's very similar. This isn't fantasy.

Not to mention price, which will probably be very high for the long range model Andre is hyping here. By that time Ford and GM will likely have their own longer range variations.

If you find a Dodge label on the truck, I'll buy you one... It's just a RAM.... Keep it real.

2025 model year, meaning it'll be available next year

Well the Silverado EV is no more than 6 months away while the next gen Lightning is end of 2025 ...

Yeah, still waiting for GM, Stellantis and Tesla. Lots of talk but no one can’t buy one. Ford, introduced production models in spring 2022 and has delivered ~ 30,000 to date with another 150,000 coming this year in 2023. Ford delivered to their specs. Nothing delivered or proven from anyone else, other then pretty mannequins, yet until 2024. So they say. I am sure these new vehicle specs are going to one up Ford because that is the defacto std. at this point.

Fair points and very well stated to. It's all basically vapor ware like everyone accuses tesla of with the ct imo.👍🏻 But the t3 per farley is still 30 months away from production. And he's warned multiple times it will be controversially styled(think cybertruck or the nikola badger maybe even the ram prototype that had a lot more aero influence to it vs the actual rev truck released. He's said several time's it would get 75-100 more miles out of the same size battery packs as the current lightning does. So no reason to believe they'll up the pack sizes unless forced to. As is that would mean 395-420 miles of range for the top spec er model's. So still competitive against the new rivian max pack 360-400 mile ranges. Mid grade though against tesla and ram max ranges. Plus the atlis xt could be out around then to and they have claimed 500 miles of range and proven multi megawatt charging speeds already. I think atlis might go under though which is a shame. So around 315-340 for the base t3 trims is competitive depending on the price. A base catl lmfp or mp3 cell equipped lightning with over 300 miles of range for a dual motor purpose built ev truck starting around 50-55k? And should be eligible for the full tax credit. Well that should be very competitive against anything anyone else makes imo. It's a shame really that truck is so far out right now, and if farley says late 2025. Does that mean initial production by then? Or does it mean he expects to reach real scale production by then. I bet he knows revealing it and or the official specs will immediately Osbourne the lightning for most retail customers. 🤔

@@boostav Maybe. You don't know of delays.

​@RC18 what is mp3 cell or lmfp did you mean nma and lfp or lifepo4?

Would be 100% better if they actually built a truck instead of these luxury sedan versions...build them with work in mind, meaning put an 8 foot bed on them, get rid of all the nonsense luxury crap, drop the back doors, regular cab or extended cab with an 8 foot bed, and decent towing capacity, RAM seems to be top right now if they build their new E-Ram with the 14k tow capacity...its huge battery pack giving 500+ miles of range, would cut that down to about 200 miles with max towing, still pretty reasonable, but they need to stop catering to the people who buy trucks as status symbols, build these into work truck models with longer beds, and none of the electronic gadgetry...i.e. no touch screens, no leather interiors, etc. Just a bare bones work truck, and keep them in the $40k price point and they would sell a lot of them....many contractors go to a jobsite and are there pretty much all day, or possibly go to a few jobsites in a day, but all relatively close together, so the range would be fine for that, even if they were having to tow a cargo trailer around...like finish carpenters who possibly do a couple of jobs a day, sub-contractors who are in and out of a site within a day or couple days, etc. These are the types of people that would be buying these and putting them to work, so long bed, regular or extended cab, base model 4WD work trucks is all they should be building first...get these things out there being used as a truck...get real world feedback on them, then start expanding into the higher end stuff for the prissy wannabes.

@@wildbill23c Agreed and with the tax rebates it would be closer to 30K USD, but with the limited resources the OEMs want to sell to folks who have deep pockets hence the fancy brodozer / mall crawler starter kits they are selling now, and I hate to say it but they aren't wrong, these things are sold out for years even with the dealer markups. It won't be until they put more mines and battery factories online that we will see the BEV and PHEV work pickups that the rest of us actually buy to do work.

If you have to ask the price, you probably can't afford it 😂

​@@wildbill23c nobody buys half ton trucks with 8 foot beds and tows 12k+ with them. People doing that buy 3/4 or one ton trucks.

@@sternumboy1 Except people are towing that kind of weight with a 1/2 ton truck pretending its ok.

Same. When they raised all the prices so you can’t even get the gov rebate with a large battery it was a deal breaker for me.

Does the Ford Dealer network Know this? As my local Ford dealer could sell everyone of them

Yup... unfortunately Ford is going to be stuck with these, especially if they ramped up production. They made such a big deal about charging a huge amount to get less than a 100 mile battery increase. Now the competition announced trucks with 200 miles more than their best. way faster charging, Air suspension. mid gates, 4 wheel steering. I was interested in a lightning at intro pricing and when they were cutting edge (unfortunately they couldn't make them when they were hot). Like every other tech product, the current gen are yesterdays news and there is no way I'm going to pay 100k and its missing all the new expensive stuff the competitors added. On top of all that when you try and sell it used in a few years, it will be even more outdated . How are you going to sell a 200 mile (100 towing) range truck when at time 1000mile will be the norm. I am still interested in a lightning but they are going to have to cut the price in half for me to even remotely consider what they have on their lots right now.

You can get the $39K CyberTruck instead!! .. oh, wait Musk just said the base price is now $61K ... can't believe a word that guy says.

How is this an issue?

A) Not a significant issue to anyone but you. B) Only YOU know how much you will drive in an average week. YOU can do the math on how many kWhs you will use between your vehicle and your home each month on average. YOU can then look up how much power your solar system would need to be in order to cover YOUR needs. It is not up to the manufacturers OR the automotive reviewers to determine what YOU might want to do to your HOME.

Most solar home setups feed that power to the Utility Grid.. you'd be charging an EV from the Utility Grid, not your solar panels.

Don't count on it. They will charge what they've been charging as long as the reservation line stays around the block (which it has been). I'm fact, lowering the price might mean they will get more orders than they can possibly fill.

@@SliderFury1 Our Ford dealer sitting on 4 Lightnings for months now. Can't get rid of them.

Isn’t lithium a relatively small percentage of the total battery material used?

Won’t happen they are bleeding margin. They need the markup to survive.

@@uowebfoot Can't get rid of them = Refuses to sell them at MSRP

Yeah but I’d rather invest in a future piece of dynamite than a currently available dud. Too much money for too little specs on the Ford. Resale will be horrifying in about 1 year

@@Johnny-xj5quDud? 300+ miles of range, 4.5 0-60 and I charge it for cheap overnight. But I do have deposit down on the Dodge, Chevy, GMC and Cyber Truck just in case I decide I like them better?

I guess you haven't talked to some mid gate owners of 2000 Avalanche's in the Snow belt.

I agree with your points, the only thing I don't like design wise are the headlights. They just don't look appealing to me. But as far the rest, I love the midgate and the tailgate design. Gives you more options as far as what you can haul.

The GMC version is a little less Avalanche. I hope that little detail gives it a much better drag coefficient. Otherwise, I’m not sure with why they would go with the avalanche look.

@@craig8638 I think you are right with the drag coefficient, and the reduced wind noise at speed when the midgate is down. It does look a lot better than those first gen Avalanches though!

Name a modern full-size truck that isn't pretty large in person...

That is what I am thinking... whoever make it to the market first at the price is at? No price on the RAM yeah that would be the cost of a person soul at the end.

They'll go back down after supply catches up with demand. Tesla jacked the price on the Model Y all the way up to $68k last year. They've been cutting prices this year, and it's now down to $53k. Hopefully prices will go even lower. There are lots of EV and battery factories that have been built and are being built.

No. GM based theirs on the Hummer EV which was revealed a year ahead of the Lightning reveal.

Ford had mid gates in pick ups after WW1 and in some Aussie Ford utes before WW2.

You cannot patent a door. You can patent the name but nobody can stop you from having a door (midgate).

I go with saint

The Lightning isn't even an EV based design, it is just a hatchet job to convert the ICE to EV. So yes, Ford will need a next-gen Lightning. They haven't even hinted about the next evolution of the Lightning yet, so no Ford will not be on their next-gen any time soon. Chevy's Silverado EV is now out though - in the work truck trim.

@@ronlaverdiere You must not be listening to Jim Farley. He announced a long time ago that the next-gen Lightning is in development (TE1). It will be built at Blue Oval City in Tenessee with a production date of August 2025. So, if all goes on schedule, it could be rolling off assembly lines about a year from now.

@@smarticus6384 you mean 2 years from now.

I guess they're all imports in Germany

The Silverado EV is 8 lugs as well.

Are you on this planet? their EV products have been a bit of a disaster.

They are losing millions on the lighting and electric mustang. Of course they are gonna be charging more.

Here is Virginia a base quad cab is $43,000. With all the maintenance and fuel cost the fact that the EV will need far less work on to me justifies the larger price tag. The only question is longevity. If say the battery lasts for 400 to 500,000 miles does not need the oil change and other maintenance that varies then by far the EV will out do the ICE. If you have to replace the battery at 100,000 miles that would make the difference. On that it would be how people charge it. If they supercharge all the time then they will hurt the battery and life. If they can level 2 or level 1 the battery then it will do far less damage. All for the consumer it will be better. Also do I see the dealership staying around? No I do not and I believe the lawsuits and that Ford is dealing with right now is also costing some of the higher cost.

Problem with the Chevy / GMC is it’s a Unibody Also I can’t imagine the removable cab being helpful with anything other than a kayak and they make foldable kayaks now so no point Ram gets my vote also you can get Rambox if you like those kind of gimmicky storage options which ngl I like but probably won’t get Rambox

To get the air suspension, 400 miles, rear wheel steering, and the flex bed, you're looking at well over $100k. The $60k version will have none of those things and the $80k version only some.

@@sternumboy1 the base model still comes with 350 miles of range which is honestly plenty unless you’re Thelma and Louise going on road trips constantly

@@sternumboy1 - Regardless of its cost. The fact is they are All pretty much 100k in price. The Ford doesn't have the range that the Chevy does, there UA no midgate feature, no 4 wheel steering, and no air suspension feature NO MATTER what you spend on it. The Chrysler is stated to have a 500 range. I haven't seen too many other features to this point of the Chrysler. I can say through my own experience that the mid gate feature is a big plus, 400 mike range is superior to Ford's 320 range (at best) and it large charging ability to charge quickly on the Chevy is a no brainer for a great asset.

@@daviddill5227 the charging speed and the range are definitely great advantages for both the Chevy and the RAM. I wish Chevy would finalize specs and get orders underway. I've got a base trim Ford on the way this summer but I'm thinking waiting for the Chevy will be better. By the time Ram is getting out any sort of volume, the second gen Ford will be starting to ship.

Affordability?? Hmmm, don’t know about that these days.

Hummer?

Silverado is late 2023. Work truck trim level has been out for automotive reviewers to drive now since late June - only about a month after you wrote your comment - and we KNEW it was about to be released...

With the larger battery it will probably be 115k before mark up. :)

Not a truck, but Mazda is going to be introducing a EV...that always runs on battery, but the battery will be smaller/average size and charged by a small optimized Rotary/wankle motor designed for the task. I'd love this type of approach for trucks. These Truck EVs make no sense for anyone that wants to even use them for a single annual camping trip. They just can't tow or go anywhere without planning and compromise. Great for your weekend truck for trips to home depot and your quarterly trips to the local dump but to spend 60-90K for that...hell no. I had an early reservation for an F150 Lightning when the Pro was supposed to be 40K. It took a year and a half for my reservation to order to come up and when it did there was no way to order a Pro, and the cheapest thing I could have ordered was in the upper 50's range for the small battery. I ended up buying used 2016 Ram Rebel for 20K(private sale). My use case is the weekly home depot run, quarterly run to the dump, and a few loaded up camping trips. These EV trucks are a very niche market. I don't dislike them, they just don't make a lot of sense right now, not with the limited range when used as a "truck".

I think you lose the cost advantages of an EV having fewer moving parts when you make it a hybrid.

@@mgarcia8878 but you lose a lot of cost when you shrink the battery, figure $100/kwh or a little higher. cut out 100kwh to reduce cost and add a 4 cylinder range extender generator. i3 is a good example of that.

@@kellyheath8547 tesla can produce a car in under 50 seconds. This is one of the reasons why they have a significant cost advantage over both traditional ICE manufacturing and EV. Fewer parts increases speed which limits labor cost.

@@mgarcia8878 The Tesla cost advantage also comes from not having a dealer network so they can price gouge from the factory. A vehicle that's as basic as a Tesla shouldn't command luxury car prices. But the fans bring the money so they will continue to charge what suckers are willing to pay for them, and that doesn't even begin to tap into the lack of right to repair racket they have going on. I would take a HEV pickup with a decent sized battery and barely used ICE over hoarding batteries in a BEV, and so would most other pickup drivers I know that actually tow.

If you have it open when you don't need it open... that's your poor choice then isn't it?

The Cyberflop is a Vaporware effect vehicle.

The CT is butt-ugly. They will ALL be using the Tesla supercharger network.

With 7500 tax credit for both personal and fleet

A tax credit most ppl can’t get right now? And even if you could this electric junk is still a rip off

It’s pretty crazy for a starting price, but if you take a comparable ICE F150 (SuperCrew, 2.7l, 4x4, a few options) it’s not far off in terms of price.

The rivian is far better

@Enrique A Thiele Solivan The Cyberflop will be useless as a pickup truck, it's a lifestyle vehicle.

Sorry, but NO vehicle will figure out the issue of gravity. At least not without going FAR, FAR away from any significant mass.

🤣🤣🤣🤣 when did 72k become normal

My 2019 5.3 LT Allstar Silverado was a 40000 thousand dollar truck and is now a 60000 dollar truck so the 80,000 dollar price point just makes it and insanely bad deal

@@B86432 What’s “normal” about a Silverado EV? 🤡

It doesn't even matter because you can't buy one as of today!

@@atg1338 Exactly

Nah, it looks like an avalanche and a crossover had a baby. Its not a real truck like the ford and ram

Correction: “FORD MOTOR CO. is greedy asf.” There, I fixed it for you. 🤦🏽‍♂️

@@mybro727 Says the GM fanboy when the Silverado EV is $100k and $70k.

They are losing millions on the lighting and electric mustang so of course they are going to raise the price

@@mybro727 do you realise they are losing millions on the lighting and electric mustang 🤔 🤡

@EnriqueThiele oh shut up... u have accese to their bookings to check if that is true...

😂 what I thought

Nice truck but a 60 K base price will be a dealbreaker for most folks anyway. Ford has the upper hand on GM and Dodge. They have a truck you can actually buy right now and who knows when the cyber truck will be out.

It is not about efficiency just like in combustion is about range. It is why the combustions have such large fuel tanks.

I have a Lightning Pro, around town, I’m getting 2.7 - 3.1 On the interstate 65-68 mph ~ 2.0 - 2.3

@@chrisballengee5746 efficiency gets you longer range. It also means the truck is lighter so the payload is greater. With an electric vehicle it's not about how far you can drive it's about how far you go during the day. If you need 500 miles of range don't buy an EV truck

@@chrisballengee5746 also the less efficient a car is the more it cost to fill it, with electricity or gas. So just putting a large gas tank or large battery pack in a vehicle doesn't make too much sense. Unless you're not looking to save money

Nicely said. The lightning for what it is, is an impressive truck imo. 6,000 base pros-6,800# fully loaded compares to their own hybrid super cab awd ice trucks at 5,400-5,700# and top spec lariat and platinum match up with a loaded ram trx or raptor r for weights when fueled on 35s. 😎

We kinda feel like you answered your own question.

Looks like an ugly Ridgeline...