Forehand vs. Backhand SPIN Comparison!

Forehand vs. Backhand SPIN Comparison! | Data Series

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“Can you compare forehand and backhand stats with TechDisc?” - 764 commenters
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0:00 - Intro
0:24 - The Experiment
0:42 - Testing commence!
1:19 - Comparison
3:50 - Mikey throws
3:58 - Mikey comparison
5:05 - Outro

Пікірлер: 84

@OverthrowDiscGolf 5 ай бұрын

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@PFMirror 5 ай бұрын

Josh has the hair of a true Dad now. I could not look away. It was glorious.

@OverthrowDiscGolf 5 ай бұрын

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@paulebell 5 ай бұрын

I was hoping I wasn’t the only one 😂 #dadsunite

@OverthrowDiscGolf 5 ай бұрын

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@allenhammitt5092 5 ай бұрын

Eagle's forehand (post injury) looks like he's throwing so slow, but he's still getting crazy distance. I'd like to see how higher RPM's affects distance on the forehand. Especially for us mortals.

@frisbeefrolf 5 ай бұрын

Bro your hair doing some wild stuff during the comparison portion lol

@OverthrowDiscGolf 5 ай бұрын

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@colinbailey5505 5 ай бұрын

I'm a RHFH dominant player, and I would really like to see some comparisons of spin rates produced for forehand throws using different grips. Single finger vs two-finger, and a variety of 2 finger grips would be a cool comparison.

@ThePidelina 5 ай бұрын

Same here!

@OverthrowDiscGolf 5 ай бұрын

They are roughly the same. Probably not going to make a video on it but we did try it

@colinbailey5505 5 ай бұрын

Interesting! Last year I switched from a single finger to a double finger grip and it increased the distance I could throw, and my discs behave more stable than before. But my 2 finger grip is probably a little different. I rest the pads of my fingers against the inner rim rather than the flight plate, and I don't tuck the disc all the way into the webbing of my hand between the forefinger and thumb. It just rests of my forefinger.

@OverthrowDiscGolf 5 ай бұрын

@@colinbailey5505 oh. There’s definitely a difference between conventional grips and a one finger. But not between conventional grips

@BaronWorsham 5 ай бұрын

@@OverthrowDiscGolf What'd you notice about one finger? My son tosses one finger exclusively and has good stats. Wondering if switching would be better

@Andreas_Ostling 5 ай бұрын

Great video as always guys! Some ideas for BH spin testing: Straight wrist on the hit vs. "slinging it"/ flinging / cupped (I hope this one makes sense) Deeper pocket = more spin? Holding nose down vs. rolling to a nose down at the hit Hyzer vs Anhyzer

@TheTchieX 5 ай бұрын

Keeping the wrist looser seems to increase the spin on my Techdisc numbers vs trying to keep it stiff so the disc snaps out at the hit.

@JohnDubU 5 ай бұрын

Huh, who knew?!?! Handy bit of info to have for sure. Looking forward to the next data series.

@cyle46 5 ай бұрын

On the backhand I'd love to see how grip variation and thumb position on the disc can change spin rate. I get so much advice from the old timers at the course that all seems to contradict each other.

@wzywgwzywg 5 ай бұрын

Test everything in dave's pivot and pop video! Especially the part about applying more pressure at the hit to pop the disc out.

@NickCarroll 5 ай бұрын

Cues I've seen work for spin, but you might want to test: 1) deep pocket vs shallow pocket 2) wide rail vs straight reach back 3) curling the wrist in the power pocket vs keeping it neutral 4) imagine you're throwing just the rim of the disc, applying force to the inside rim BTW the advance ratio is the relationship between spin and speed. A good backhand number is 50% and a good forehand number is 30%. I don't the advance ratio is worth chasing, specifically, but increasing the spin as much as possible is still important.

@talitzinger 5 ай бұрын

Super helpful video! I just started working with a Tech Disc and wondered if the lower Advance Ratio on the forehand was signaling a big issue with my form. Now I know that it is not. Thanks!

@vladimiri.longdong4477 5 ай бұрын

Does anyone remember that mythbusters video where they shot the ball out the back of a truck as it was moving? I'd pay to see a top-down slow mo video of someone throwing over a checkered floor to check out the spin.

@davesage4931 5 ай бұрын

We have a tech disc at the disc shop I worked and I was really surprised my FH spin was noticeably less. Thought it was just me so this is good to know. Love the tech disc vids!

@JimJohnMarks 5 ай бұрын

Loving all the new music

@MarshallMcClure 5 ай бұрын

I would love to see the data from a forehand tech disc session with Ricky. It seems like he generates an incredible amount of spin, even by touring pro standards. I've heard him talk a little bit about firmly jamming the disc into his hand before he throws, and you can see him do it anytime he is about to throw a forehand off the tee, but I wonder if there is anything else specifically related to generating spin that we can learn from his form. Maybe you guys could do a video breakdown sometime or try to get an interview with him this year?

@VarietyDiscGolf 5 ай бұрын

2:00 Your cowlick is intense 😂. Always love the content!

@OverthrowDiscGolf 5 ай бұрын

😶

@m1erze 5 ай бұрын

Excited for the next one, for the life of me I thought I was a high spin player and now with the TechDisc I'm seeing I'm only hitting around 45 on that ratio!

@OverthrowDiscGolf 5 ай бұрын

That’s still fairly high

@TheMakki 5 ай бұрын

Try to control snap with a wrist brace? Could also use weightlifting wrist wraps at various tensions to keep the wrist loose to tight.

@bobtehzombie 4 ай бұрын

Can you look into this with the glitch, spore, sonic, etc? Or maybe just putters. Probably one of the craziest examples I’ve seen of people thinking a disc is floppy when they are absolutely not if they get spin. I’ve seen an ultimate style forehand with the glitch be thrown well but when people try to throw putters with the forehand they can’t because they’re trying to throw them like drivers. Would also be interested if there was a way to measure “off axis torque”, flipping by rolling the wrist.

@user-ur7ox1or7q 4 ай бұрын

I would be interested to see how the stats change when the palm is supinated, neutral or pronated in reach back as well as halfway supinated and pronated. Also, supinated reach back to pronated release vs pronated reach back to* supinated release. Or if that even affects flight at all or just players preference.

@davelopez9161 5 ай бұрын

For spin, you might explore how power pocket zone affects it. Clavicle height vs belly button height. Find out which is the optimum.

@aldenslack247 5 ай бұрын

BH spin idea: mess around with wrist angles on pull through. For example, try a neutral wrist where your palm/top of the disc are more or less facing your chest, and rotate wrist to desired angle at release. Kind of like Gannon or Simon do sometimes.

@dacouncilman84 4 ай бұрын

Yes love this series! Does speed with low spin ratio equal shorter distance on the bh? If so how can we can get more spin!?! And therefore distance?

@Corrigan65_ 5 ай бұрын

Danny Lindahl in his most recent videos RHBH appeared to have an outward flick of his wrist at peak reach back. I tried this when I was developing my LHBH (Right arm was injured) it seemed to produce more spin and skip. But it was LHBH, I never incorporated it RHBH after recovery. But it seemed I got more RPM with this flick technique.

@HowlingWolfDG 5 ай бұрын

Does a 360 generate more spin?

@DeciXmus 5 ай бұрын

I got a Tech Disc for Christmas. Can you do a video on how to understand all the data and what is good and bad??? I throw mine and all my shots show 100ft of distance even though I have a pos launch angle and 55mph speed with a nose angle of -1. Thanks for the tech videos!

@bbd1254 5 ай бұрын

The distance calculations are off. Always have been for some reason. The other data is good though. I wish that they would have an option to train the disc. Like go into a field and throw it a bunch of times, and you tell the disc the actual distance so it can learn better. Probably just way too many variables to get it accurate. (Wind speed, wind direction, temperature, elevation, moisture in the air, etc…)

@McDroogy3 5 ай бұрын

When I tested my tech disc in the field and against the same mold without the tech, it actually measured within about 10’ of the Udisc number. I do think I throw differently into open field vs wailing on a net.

@samharwood340 5 ай бұрын

This makes me think of a video iceberg tv did a while back saying you could get a better flight on a putter or mid (i.e. get the disc to turn) using a fan grip. I guess this means you are putting more speed and less spin?

@OverthrowDiscGolf 5 ай бұрын

Probably the opposite. Better speed for the spin you’re throwing i would guess

@isaknilsson71 5 ай бұрын

So let me get this straight: I've seen disc golf articles/science estimate spin numbers based on speed by the simple rule "let's assume the disc rolls out of the backhand throw as if rolling along the flight path". Would that equate to a "100%" number for your tests? In that case, this rule of thumb must vastly overestimate the spin if you measure about half of that with your tests. Would you agree?

@marc4242 5 ай бұрын

To me, when I watch Wysoki, he ssems to curl the disc more during his backhand throw. Could this generate more spin.

@cautiousoptimist1926 5 ай бұрын

I would like to see fh players with unique, but very effective, form to be analyzed. Silver Latt and Austin Hannum for instance.

@swampthang2953 5 ай бұрын

Nice man bun

@ReluctantAardvark 5 ай бұрын

Not surprised. BH holds a line much longer. FH dumps quicker due to less gyroscopic stability. I use fan grip when I want a putter to dump faster because I generate less spin.

@davelopez9161 5 ай бұрын

Just wondering when you and Techdisc and Carl's Place are going to develop a fully functioning disc golf simulator. I really want to play Winthrop but, in my life time, I will never be able to go there. And, I'm looking for investments...

@chrisbarger6128 5 ай бұрын

The bed head is off the charts 😂

@OverthrowDiscGolf 5 ай бұрын

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@coast2coast00 5 ай бұрын

The advance ratio is pretty clear in the manual, it's a comparison between spin and speed. They say 50% is good for backhand, 30% for forehand A roller has 100% ratio, as the disc is rolling at the same rate it is spinning (at the disc's edge). The formula they list is spin times disc radius divided by speed. (no units given so it's hard to figure out the exact formula) Spin X radius gives us a linear velocity at the disc's edge (converting RPM to MPH) and that is divided by the disc's speed to compare spin and speed. This is all required, because you can't measure spin in MPH, as it changes depending on how wide the disc is, so first you have to convert from spin to speed at the disc's edge.

@OverthrowDiscGolf 5 ай бұрын

I should’ve read the manual

@eagledriver1516 4 ай бұрын

Do you have a link to the manual? Didn't get one in my box

@erikfickey5033 5 ай бұрын

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@Corrigan65_ 5 ай бұрын

Were you VR gaming Josh? You had headset hair.

@OverthrowDiscGolf 5 ай бұрын

Nah haha. Thats just happens when I take a shower at night before I go to bed

@jannejaakkola5836 5 ай бұрын

PRetty much what I expected. Now if you have too much time on your hands, you could check the same but at approach speed. I feel like you can generate spin on slow FH throws easier with just a flick of your wrist compared to actual throwing motion of the BH.

@iamdefeath4475 5 ай бұрын

I tested this a whopping 1 time with the Techdisc to see if it increased my spin: I focused on "spinning" my torso faster and increased my spin rate by 100rpm. Coincidence? ... probably, yeah

@OverthrowDiscGolf 5 ай бұрын

😂

@Phripheoniks 5 ай бұрын

In my experience, throwing backhand with two or three fingers generates less spin, but more "power", while a full power grip maximizes spin. I'd love to know if that's actually true or if I'm delusional

@OverthrowDiscGolf 5 ай бұрын

We’ve got an episode on that

@Phripheoniks 5 ай бұрын

@@OverthrowDiscGolf *runs off to find the video* thanks for the reply, yo! :D

@Phripheoniks 5 ай бұрын

@@OverthrowDiscGolf Ah! Found it, thanks a bunch!

@charlesduggan7100 5 ай бұрын

you like mike and ikes?

@bungernaut 5 ай бұрын

@2:36 Your explanation makes no sense to me why people can throw higher speed discs forehand. I assumed it was because people can Anhizer forehands easier, getting full flight.

@MeaMohamed 4 ай бұрын

Can you guys invite Jake Wolf and do stats on his sidearm game🤯

@OverthrowDiscGolf 4 ай бұрын

We’d welcome it

@crabbyjimmy1 5 ай бұрын

Josh got bed head in shit.😅

@OverthrowDiscGolf 5 ай бұрын

Unashamed

@Quixote56 5 ай бұрын

Rear hair foil. Keeps his brace grounded better. 🤣

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