Forester Broken Timing Belt: How Bad Is It?

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@johnturowski2173 4 жыл бұрын

I've always loved how my Forester's hood can be raised to almost 90 degrees! It allows a great view and lots of light.

@kesando84 4 жыл бұрын

John Turowski not to mention it weighs basically nothing 👍🏽

@802Garage 4 жыл бұрын

@@kesando84 Love the aluminum hoods! Being able to put them vertical is so nice. :)

@62Cristoforo 9 ай бұрын

All 16. Probably driven ‘into the ground’ by the previous owner. I’m about to do my own timing belt and water pump kit replacement. I really appreciate your videos. Good work.

@mattgreenlee5377 4 жыл бұрын

Very interested to see you do head gaskets in-car. I've heard/read horror stories about that. Interested to see your tips/tricks for getting this done!

@letsgocapsbeatpens 4 жыл бұрын

Great video, I love when you get into the detail and explain the process for the layman.

@MrPoconoracing 4 жыл бұрын

Hope you get your new shop up and running soon! Love your videos. I have to admit watching you work in the driveway makes me feel better about myself lol. 12 of 16 valves are bent

@constantinoschristodoulou4526 4 жыл бұрын

Thank you so much for your videos. I learn so much from them. I also love and admire your efford for perfection, cleanliness and detailed instructions. One more reason to wait for your upcoming videos with repairing the engine while IN THE CAR. Greetings from sunny CYPRUS. P.S. Most Foresters here are JDM 2.0 Turbo, since we drive lije in Japan with the wheel on the Right. Mine is also a 177 ps 2004 2.0T. I wait for your video so that I will do my timing chain replacement as well with the rocker covers gasket. Once again, all the best to your efforts and many thanks!

@przemyslawnowak2809 4 жыл бұрын

My earhole tells me 6 valves went out of shape. Love the chanel, keep up the good work.

@markc9400 4 жыл бұрын

8 valves bent. Sounds like a good round number. Keep up the good work. I enjoy the videos. I feel for you working under a shade tree. Time to get that shop built.

@moco872003 4 жыл бұрын

Im going with 8 valves that are bent. Keep up the great informative content.

@legojenn 4 жыл бұрын

I was bracing for the sound effect when the brake cleaner was pulled out, then realised that I was on a different channel.

@MrSubaru1387 4 жыл бұрын

😂 😂 😂

@bigdaddymak1439 4 жыл бұрын

Eric O has a video doing head gaskets on a subie. He unbolts the motor mounts and jacks up the engine and slides it to the left and right to give more room it's a great way to do them in car

@williambell9068 4 жыл бұрын

@@bigdaddymak1439 I did my 02 outback using his method and it wasn't bad. I have a lift in my home garage so that helped with a lot of things. Not a driveway jacking etc. I found Eric when looking for info on the 2 marks on the crank gear as it was my first subie timing belt. Been a fan of his for several years now and Mrsubaru1387 too.

@joshmeacham3326 4 жыл бұрын

Weeeeelllcome back to the mrsubaru auto channel.... doesn't have the same ring to it 😂

@randyadams958 4 жыл бұрын

8 valves.

@cristiana1373 4 жыл бұрын

Uuhuu! Good to have you back as normal! 👍

@alanchanthavisouk8557 4 жыл бұрын

Congrats on your new shop

@NiklasNorlen 4 жыл бұрын

Daym, I didn't know there would be a test at the end. Guess I'll pay more attention next time😁

@AlexSol1 3 жыл бұрын

I'm going to look at an '05 Forester with 113k miles for 700$. Since I'm a long time VAG fan getting my first Subaru, I really appreciate your content. The seller said: "I have no idea when the timing belt was changed but I am sure it was done since the car is at 113k miles." Wish me luck with that :)

@mendeltomas 4 жыл бұрын

11 bent valves. You rock, Mr Subaru!

@xht033 4 жыл бұрын

I miss the old days that no music in your channel.......I like the sound of twisting wrenches

@EvilMii 4 жыл бұрын

Bummer it is all bad, but I want to guess 8! Can't wait to see more videos on this engine.

@averagejoe5817 4 жыл бұрын

I am going with 8 valves bent. Great video.

@ayske1 4 жыл бұрын

Unsure if you've mentioned this but keen to hear your thoughts on the ej255 turbo engine featured in the legacy GT in terms of reliability/see more content. I did you see your video on top issues.. but maybe other things like the transmission etc, sorry if you've covered that. Love your work! Stay safe from Australia 🇦🇺🇦🇺🇦🇺

@jonathanheywood3694 4 жыл бұрын

Really enjoy your videos. I would guess that all 16 valves are bent on that engine. Hope you can get it fixed!

@matthewnewsome9221 4 жыл бұрын

3 valves bent, loving the content

@MrDanielPare 4 жыл бұрын

I guest 13 valves are bent. Very good video and I like your musical choice.

@fPonias1 4 жыл бұрын

When I did my timing belt I followed the forum advise which said: don't use Gates, use anything but Gates.

@JohnMann858 4 жыл бұрын

Summit Racing has a great Asin kit that I used.

@jomangeee9180 4 жыл бұрын

@@JohnMann858 is the Asin kit made in Japan?

@MrSubaru1387 4 жыл бұрын

Aisin kits use all Japanese, OE, Subaru components. All I use/recommend.

@davidrobinaugh7072 4 жыл бұрын

I used Aisin components when I replaced the timing belt, waterpump, pulleys, and idlers on my Tacoma. My Crosstrek only has 10,000 miles, so it'll be a while before I have to check the timing chain and waterpump.

@scotth9881 4 жыл бұрын

I'm going to say 4 bent valves. I look forward to seeing how this project turns out.

@MarkBrockman1956 4 жыл бұрын

Informative and helpful! 😄

@lonniedeckard3787 2 жыл бұрын

You have great videos learning a lot about Subaru my guess is 12 valves

@russellhueners8499 4 жыл бұрын

That car is sad,total lack of maintenance, probably likewise for entire vehicle, hope you got it cheap, it a rebuilder,,,,, love my 03 Baja 202,000, keeps on truckn

@vitanksi 3 жыл бұрын

This is a blast from the past. I had a 2001 2.5 RS. 2300 miles before my power train warranty expired, my engine Started knocking on my way home from a backpacking trip. Apparently an exhaust valve guide fell and stuck open and hit a piston. The dealer denied my warranty. SOA regional rep sided with the dealer. It was cheaper for me to get an engine from a wrecked Subaru than to rebuild it. I tossed it in and it ran fine, for about 50 miles. I started hearing this rubbing noise and I noticed misfires. I pulled the timing cover and saw the same chewed up belt. I looked up the vin via carfax of the donor engine and saw it was in a front end collision. The tensioner pulley was loose indicating it got hit pretty hard and the bolt threads were striped. I loved that car until it became too much for me. Before getting that timing tensioner was fixed, I dreamt of giving that car a Viking funeral.

@Pulse0153 2 жыл бұрын

I am going to say there are 7 valves bent. I know I am pretty late to this, but worth the shot to find out later in the playlist. lol.

@benriggs1851 4 жыл бұрын

I have that same snap on long neck ratchet. I love it!!

@thefleepster4318 4 жыл бұрын

I say 11 bent valves. No reason for that choice, but I agree with the guys who say at least 8 -- nothing happening in those cylinders. Glad I found your channel -- got some catching up to do on your vids.

@ChasWG 4 жыл бұрын

Sign me up for al 16 valves bent. This didn't happen right after he did the install. I bet this happened while under power and there were more than few revolutions before it stopped. When that tensioner finally gave way, all hell broke loose. I may know a thing or two about bent valves and doing your own timing belts. I'm 1 and 1 doing battle with timing belts. I did my first one on a VW 20V 1.8T engine and that came out really well. All factory parts and it was a simple thing to do, even though you need to basically remove or loosen up the front bumper on the 1999 Passat 1.8T. The second one I did was on a 2005 Volvo 2.4T and it didn't end well. The VW and Subaru tensioner systems are very similar and simple, the Volvo system is nuts and overly complicated. That was $3400 mistake. I got 3 of the 5 cylinders worth of exhaust valves in that one.

@jamesu 4 жыл бұрын

I vote for 8 bent valves. I have repaired dozens of timing failures but never had no compression on any cylinder. The worst I have seen was 6 bent valves.

@dans_Learning_Curve 4 жыл бұрын

Agree

@weeekwo3245 4 жыл бұрын

if a valve is slightly bent can that cyl still get 180 psi; whats the most it can get youve seen; thx

@jamesu 4 жыл бұрын

@@weeekwo3245 Most bent valves will produce less than 30psi

@weeekwo3245 4 жыл бұрын

@@jamesu do u ever see it crack at the piston from the contact or to point piston is unsalvageable thx

@jamesu 4 жыл бұрын

@@weeekwo3245 from failed timing I have seen marks on the piston but no real damage. I have never replaced a piston for timing failure.

@seungjae7462 4 жыл бұрын

5 valves. It's a shame. Love the look of that generation. The color is stunning as well.

@manuelbejarano6121 4 жыл бұрын

My guess is 4 bent valves. Thank you for the videos!!

@MrSubaru1387 4 жыл бұрын

You're welcome. 👍🏻

@andrewhibma1818 4 жыл бұрын

I absolutely love the early 2nd gen forester xt 😍😍 one of my dream cars. I’m gonna guess 14 BENT VALVES!!

@dpm3758 Жыл бұрын

all 16. keep up the good videos!

@picsaregreat 4 жыл бұрын

I'll guess 13 bent valves. Thanks for the video!

@b33fcake34 4 жыл бұрын

I was on my first road trip last summer in my subaru outback 96 with a 2.2 engine and my car suddenly lost power and was running terrible. I had just filled up the car with fuel and thought that maybe it was bad gas. The car would misfire and run terrible and then once in awhile it would run just fine for a few minutes and then bad again. I drove around 200 miles like this and had the engine inspected in a small town. The idler pulley with the gear teeth failed spectacularly and bearings were everywhere and the timing belt had jumped. I drove about 200 miles with jumped timing and it would re-time itself once in awhile going down the road. I put in a new timing belt and pulleys and the car ran just like before. Those 2.2 non interference engines are tough just like people said they were. You could not drive with jumped timing in a 2.5 especially not 200 miles

@vtindyfan802 4 жыл бұрын

I can see why Someone sold this car - Most people would not know how to fix it or want to pay to fix it. With Mr. Subaru - I know He will fix it. I would buy a car off Mr. Subaru or bring My Car to have him fix it. My Guess for bent valves is almost half of them - 7...

@Bartekelk5 4 жыл бұрын

My guess is 9 i've once stripped 9 bolts when upgrading brakes on my old VW so there it is

@Toolaholic7 4 жыл бұрын

A friend of my dad's made a crank pulley tool for the Subarus,works good for him.

@MrSubaru1387 4 жыл бұрын

Nice. 👍🏻

@Toolaholic7 4 жыл бұрын

This friend of his,he makes some of his specialty tools instead of buying them.Figures out what it takes to build them.

@MrSubaru1387 4 жыл бұрын

@@Toolaholic7 if I had the machining tools, I'd definitely be making some myself.

@notsponsored103 4 жыл бұрын

I just bought a home made one off ebay. Worked perfectly for me last weekend.

@miken8150 4 жыл бұрын

10 bent valves. Looking forward to the rebuild.

@ericmelanson6745 4 жыл бұрын

8 bent valves is my guess and I thought the serpentine belt replacement was fairly easy compared to some other vehicles; Honda for instance

@barrythomas6429 4 жыл бұрын

I'll go for 8 .. also impressed by the angle on the bonnet (hood). On my 06 XT the bonnet will open up to around 45 degrees.

@MrSubaru1387 4 жыл бұрын

Had the hood prop in service mode.

@barrythomas6429 4 жыл бұрын

@@MrSubaru1387 there does not appear to be a provision for service mode in the RHD 06 XT. Nothing in the service manual.

@MrSubaru1387 4 жыл бұрын

@@barrythomas6429 you remove the hood prop from the radiator support and reverse it. Allows 90° opening.

@Grooove_e 4 жыл бұрын

@@MrSubaru1387 it's the same on my 03 wrx

@boxingfanmike 4 жыл бұрын

Guess is 8 valves bent. Great intro

@jonathanluttrell1380 4 жыл бұрын

My 97 Legacy Outback Limited 5mt is at 96,000 miles. I'm glad I saw this video. I was going to order the Gates "nice" kit. Would you recommend the Aisin kit? I'm guessing 8 valves.

@Rabidmatt-gr2ss Жыл бұрын

I've heard great things about these motors but that timing belt makes me keep my distance. Loving the FB25 though

@joemikey278 4 жыл бұрын

All 16 damaged, previous guy , DIY dude, really messed up !!!!!

@Longtrailside 4 жыл бұрын

Agreed! All of em!

@sj7770 4 жыл бұрын

Great information. I say 8 bent valves.

@lowlifeangler 4 жыл бұрын

Chevy is getting worse on timing chains, mainly the cheap plastic tensioners. My 2007 Malibu jumped time, would not fire. Opened value cover , the springs and rockers was screwed. Replaced engine with a newer one. I drive it to work, my 2018 SUBARU OUTBACK PREMIUM stays in the garage!😁

@lowlifeangler 4 жыл бұрын

@Jason I like their trucks but the SUVs they miss their mark. I have to deal with New Model of Honda, Toyota, and Subaru in the plastic parts. Honda are over engineered and stupid. Toyota are nice and easy to deal with. Subaru are simple and easy to mold. No problems with Subaru

@alexbarbosa7582 4 жыл бұрын

Nice job bro cheers !! From México 🤟🏻👨🏻‍🔧🧰

@MrSubaru1387 4 жыл бұрын

Thanks!

@cajunaggie9815 4 жыл бұрын

I'm gonna go with a failure under load situation and say 12 bent valves. Thanks for another great video..... Unrelated question? Have you ever resealed a leaky Subaru steering rack? TIA

@MrSubaru1387 4 жыл бұрын

Rack, no. Pumps, yes.

@zoolu6879 4 жыл бұрын

It sounded like one cylinder wanted to fire, so I'm going to go with 10. 🤷‍♂️

@daeshawnr2595 4 жыл бұрын

I'm guessing 12 bent valves... Either way I can't wait to see the video where we find out

@maxwellmccomb8603 4 жыл бұрын

Same thing happened to me TWICE, full bent valves. The second time was become the mechanic LEFT THE PIN IN THE NEW TENSIONER smh

@MrSubaru1387 4 жыл бұрын

Oh man..

@maxwellmccomb8603 4 жыл бұрын

@@MrSubaru1387 safe to say I am no longer using his services...

@cj3007 4 жыл бұрын

How should I go about replacing timing belt, ps pump, and cs sensor? Should I buy my own parts and have a tech/mechanic do the labor? Or should I just let them quote me for everything instead?

@kenrieve9711 4 жыл бұрын

Going to bet all 16, the two we saw hit pretty hard.

@davidjarvis4701 4 жыл бұрын

Just put all 4 vvt solenoids in a 09 outback 3.0. Had random misfire on 2 4 & 6. Fella wanted to do them all.

@stephenhunt6253 4 жыл бұрын

Well, it has to be at least 1 bent valve on every cylinder, and since we'll assume equal chance of exhaust and intake valves getting whacked, all the exhaust valves have a single rocker arm (double chance, since can't bend one without the other also), and that's probably a minimum of 6, let's hope for the best and go for '6' as my shot at the lottery. :D

@d47000 4 жыл бұрын

I'm going with all 16!

@artcraven8313 4 жыл бұрын

6 valves, i recently had a knocking noise , mechanic told me it was a rod, i pulled the timimg cover off, sure enough tentioner was flopping around 40k after i did belt job. 276k still rolling

@RodrinBird 4 жыл бұрын

I say all valves are bent.. some more than others.. GL with this!

@davepomerleau7250 4 жыл бұрын

As you had no compression when rotating it for the mandatory 2 times after putting the belt on. I say at least 4 as each cylinder has to have at least one bent valve.

@justingrago8223 2 жыл бұрын

How do I go about timing an ej251 if the timing belt was removed before putting it in proper time? I just want to avoid bending valves.

@gerarnive3473 4 жыл бұрын

Hello, eight valves, a greeting from Spain.

@feeneysauto3432 6 ай бұрын

I specialize in engine repair work at my shop. I had a 2007ish outback turbo engine that the timing belt broke, broke one of the plastic cam sprockets. I did a leakdown test and it passed, put a new sprocket on and timing belt kit and I had a slight misfire on cyl 2. Did a compression test and cyl 2 was right inline with the other cyls so Put my bore scope in and couldnt see a witness mark on piston on cyl 2 however I did see a witness mark on a piston on the other bank so I decided to pull the heads off and pull the valves and what I found was cyl 2 had one valve that was slightly bent you could not see it was bent untill i put in a drill to spin it then i could see it was slightly bent. The engine did misfire worse when it was warm so im thinking it passed a leakdown and compression test because the engine was cold and when the engine was hot the metals in the head expanded just enough to make the valve leak. I put a set of valves in it and it was all good. Ive never seen something like that before super weird.

@thechicanoreview6662 4 жыл бұрын

If not gates, what brand of timing belt kits would you recommend getting?

@alanjackson4397 4 жыл бұрын

My guess would be 4, Too bad about the Friday 13th gamble

@richardschaefer2369 4 жыл бұрын

My guess would be 8. Either all exhaust or all intake valves due to the car not trying to fire any of the 4 cylinders.

@josephjawde2030 Жыл бұрын

Did you come up with the next video I like to watch you working !

@inverseuniverse5727 4 жыл бұрын

I don't know how many valves bent , but I'm guessing he had an issue getting belt on the lower idler pulley. Hence the stripped threads there .

@drahkas8526 4 жыл бұрын

I'm also going to guess 8 valves. All of the intake valves.

@yudanov13 4 жыл бұрын

Please show fix for secondary air injection system...I'm finding out that it is a very common issue but that costs fortune to fix. Thank you.

@cslapler007 3 жыл бұрын

I'm late to the game but guessing 10 valves bent. Not sure if the number has already been concluded since this video is already over 1 yr old.

@swkohnle08 4 жыл бұрын

Good video. I’m thinking three are bent.

@bene3944 2 жыл бұрын

How do you fix the timing? My 08 outback's radiator exploded and the car shut down going almost 60, I replaced the radiator only for it not to start, the belts were moving but not starting. The left upper smooth timing belt pully had failed and bearings were inside the timing belt cover, the belt had also slipped off. The left side of the motor is free and moves with my hand, but the right side moves only a little either way. Idk what to do at this point. Do I have to buy the replacement parts to fix the timing, and if so, how do I fix the timing?

@jayngiltner2008 4 жыл бұрын

I will go with 7. It does not take long to do a lot of damage.

@tarzaan2603 Жыл бұрын

MR SUBARU! my 2006 wrx blew a pulley and of course the timing belt while driving, i put an aisin kit on it and its started okay and runs but idles a little rough, do i have bent valves? Whats my next step? THANKS!

@spongerobertosquarepantalo322 4 жыл бұрын

we bought a 05 Forester new and had the belts changed / all services as per the manual but after 365000k with little trouble the belt came off due to the tensioner failing, supposed to have been replaced less than 30k earlier, either the mechanic was lazy and just changed the belt or used cheap Chinese parts

@abrahamjacenko9130 4 жыл бұрын

I think eight valves been on this particular engine

@misi2752 4 жыл бұрын

Can you tell me if there is any AISIN timing belt kit for a 2006 2.0x Forester, 158 hp, DOHC, EJ204. Thanks!

@jtraveny 4 жыл бұрын

id say all of them are bent, how much each valve is bent, we will have to wait and see

@johnmastr7901 4 жыл бұрын

the one i bought had 2 bent exhaust vales on #4 and would still run, but that was a 5mph break, im betting this one was at highway speeds. also done in car.

@NICK-uy3nl 4 жыл бұрын

IF camshaft timing was off on one bank then 2 intake valves are bent, if BOTH camshafts were off then 4 intake valves are bent

@redbug3485 4 жыл бұрын

Makes sense

@martinwende3992 4 жыл бұрын

8 valves. What timing belt kit do you recommend if not Gates? Thanks.

@ajose223w3 Жыл бұрын

I was swapping a motor and when I pulled the timing pulleys off one of them turned I got it back on and got the line back to the mark will it be ok?

@ndeyefatousylla 4 жыл бұрын

I will go with eight of them bent. Do you know if Outback 2018 and 2020 come with timing belt or timing chain?

@MrSubaru1387 4 жыл бұрын

Chains. 2013+

@jopowell6 4 жыл бұрын

I’m going with nine valves bent since everyone else is saying eight!

@colinstace1758 3 жыл бұрын

What's the point of valve relief cuts in the piston if it still hits when the timing goes out ?

@Grooove_e 4 жыл бұрын

I'll guess 9 valves bent! Is Aisin a better kit than the Gates? Trying to save some money, I would like to use Subaru's kit but the $$$ needs savin' and I need to get it done soon

@rickydominguez9350 4 жыл бұрын

Lucky 13!

@ojjenkins7110 4 жыл бұрын

How about 10? Just a guess. I have an 08 Outback with 115k, the belt and such was replaced around 112k.

@friendofppl1 4 жыл бұрын

I'm going to go with 2. I don't see alot of people picking that number 🤷🏾‍♂️

@AmplifierHD 4 жыл бұрын

Hey Mr Subaru, I'm guessing 4 bent valves

@TangoCharlieAlpha 2 жыл бұрын

If the belt breaks, do the valves ALWAYS get bent? I realize it's an interference engine, but wasn't sure if it's assumed that the valves always get damaged.

@MrSubaru1387 2 жыл бұрын

Not always, but it's rare.

@donkaiser6704 4 жыл бұрын

7 bent valves. It will be interesting to see how this plays-out.

@theturtle2121 4 жыл бұрын

I would say all 16 are trashed. Poor Subi!!!

@halvarez430 3 жыл бұрын

How much does it cost for a valve job my fb25 jump timing chain ?? On my 15 legacy

@jeremyanthony9300 4 жыл бұрын

you want to see someone whose blown a few subaru ej engines in her day, check out Emelia Hartford . she used to have an impreza that she called poop turd and replaced the motor in that car like 4 times.