Just a super simple video explaining forge burners and how they work. I hope this helps with anyone who is having trouble with their burners. If you like the channel please subscribe and like and up-vote if you are down.
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@DeadEye4282 жыл бұрын
Greetings from New Mexico! You just saved me a ton of headaches
@TheCoalDragonForge2 жыл бұрын
That’s what I am trying to stop because I already went through the headaches
@arthurmoore948811 ай бұрын
Appreciate the explanation of the different burner types. Mine furnace came with the straight tube type you mentioned, but with an adjustable air control (wing nut welded to a large washer). What I found with my non-optimal burner is that it requires a minimum amount of gas pressure to work, and the lower the pressure the less air I should let in the back. Too much and it becomes unstable, then goes out. It's pulling the air in from the back from the gas pressure. Not enough pressure and it can't pull air in. Too much of an opening and it pulls too much air in. Too much pressure, or not enough of an opening and it burns fuel rich. The other thing I'll note is that nozzle can get turned, if it's not straight then those don't work!
@Guitarplayer7243 жыл бұрын
Finally, a no bullshit answer to the question I had about setting the A/F mixture. Greatly appreciated and subbed.
@TheCoalDragonForge3 жыл бұрын
I’m glad it helped
@wynyardforge35513 жыл бұрын
Thanks for this man, very helpful, just got two new burners and due to home made ones not getting hot enough! 200 buck Aussie for nothing. Now I finally know I need to work out to add air!
@TheCoalDragonForge3 жыл бұрын
Adjusting the nozzle is important to try to get it to torch properly. You can email Me your set up to coaldragonforge@gmail.com and I can see if I can help further
@turbinetech30002 жыл бұрын
I was going to use a hair dryer but you verified it for me. Thank you.
@AllThingsFun187 Жыл бұрын
Great explanation, I build my own forge and have struggled with the burner. After Watching this I when duh I don't have enough air.
@sneekmuch3 жыл бұрын
Def helped. I just got a cheap lil single burner propane forge from amazon and could hear my flame sputter and occasional cool spots when it did. I’m gonna test it tomorrow. Ty
@TheCoalDragonForge3 жыл бұрын
Yeah it takes some fine tuning and adjustments. Check out my other video forge burner types the thumb nail says art of the flame
@corbanstpeter65884 жыл бұрын
This is just what I was looking for. Thanks man
@TheCoalDragonForge4 жыл бұрын
C S I’m glad it helped you!
@stankrieger35982 жыл бұрын
Thank you for this explanation of just how everything works
@TheCoalDragonForge2 жыл бұрын
I hope it makes sense lol
@rcflightseeker34883 жыл бұрын
Excellent!!
@charlessalser98654 жыл бұрын
great info on burners.
@TheCoalDragonForge4 жыл бұрын
charles salser thanks man.
@bradch98133 жыл бұрын
Thank you!
@jakedonald79343 жыл бұрын
Incredibly helpful
@TheCoalDragonForge3 жыл бұрын
I’m glad it helped Jake!
@yah28682 жыл бұрын
Man you just answered every question I had been wracking my noodler with. Thanks
@TheCoalDragonForge2 жыл бұрын
No problem!
@johnsanchez80292 жыл бұрын
Dude you are a trip. I’m totally diggin the content here. Informative for sure. Keep up the good work my friend
@TheCoalDragonForge2 жыл бұрын
Thanks man!
@hamidmj7038 Жыл бұрын
hi dude . tnx . it was totally helpful . wish u the best
@Keith_the_knife_freak2 жыл бұрын
Going to attempt forge weld this weekend. Thanks for the explanation.. hope I get my forge hot enough. So many questions..
@TheCoalDragonForge2 жыл бұрын
Check out my other video art of the flame
@frikkiesmit3272 жыл бұрын
Thank you sir for video!!!!!
@TheCoalDragonForge2 жыл бұрын
Thank you for watching and commenting
@suburbanyute3404 жыл бұрын
something is better than nothing. keep uploading bro.
@daniilkulikov24892 жыл бұрын
Great video
@TheCoalDragonForge2 жыл бұрын
Thank you
@glockshooter324 жыл бұрын
AWESOME REGARDLESS BEARDS LEGIT! Also very informative thanks bro
@TheCoalDragonForge4 жыл бұрын
glockshooter32 Hahahahaha thanks
@raphaelroy45433 жыл бұрын
exactly my problem thank my dude
@TheCoalDragonForge3 жыл бұрын
I’m glad I could help!
@sirdanielsmalley96573 жыл бұрын
I love your enthusiasm! I live in the shadow of the rocky mountains of Utah, so I assume this applies to me 😅 I'll probably come back here for more information.
@TheCoalDragonForge3 жыл бұрын
Yes you are high elevation! Do adjust your fuel nozzle
@sirdanielsmalley96573 жыл бұрын
@@TheCoalDragonForge thanks!
@eliaslopez72894 жыл бұрын
I also liked the phone videos. Don't worry a lot about that things. You going on it.
@TheCoalDragonForge4 жыл бұрын
Elias Lopez thanks but I know I should use the big camera lol
@michaelvroom44864 жыл бұрын
I loved the phone vids. IMO if someone is worrying about 4k and perfect lighting on a blacksmithing video there is something fundamentally wrong with the person complaining. That said awesome vid. I'm gonna add forced air to my burner. I live in the Rockies and never could get my burners to burn quite right.
@TheCoalDragonForge4 жыл бұрын
Michael Vroom now you know why the burners don’t work right lol. And thanks for defending the phone videos lol
@lenblacksmith85593 жыл бұрын
That was really interesting, could you do a video with the frosty burner and the hair dryer on it how it goes, how hot it gets that would be awesome mate, good info here.
@TheCoalDragonForge3 жыл бұрын
Yeah I can do that
@lenblacksmith85593 жыл бұрын
@@TheCoalDragonForge Thanks mate that would be good
@EveOfAnarchy4 жыл бұрын
hey, there! Really like the content, had to go back and watch a bunch of the older stuff. Any chance we could have a "forge tour" as a follow up to this? Specifically curious about the material used to make the forge itself, and how you went about building it. Cheers!
@TheCoalDragonForge4 жыл бұрын
TheLazyCommunist yeah I could make a video of a forge tour
@toddbates53593 жыл бұрын
Thanks! I am in CO and cannot get a good hot burn.
@TheCoalDragonForge3 жыл бұрын
Yeah I have fought with building my own burners because of elevation and no one talks about that. If you have any problems or questions email me coaldragonforge@gmail.com
@sorushflummi4116 ай бұрын
Hey Great Video!! After You said it, that the Altitude makes a Difference it was clear - Yes of Course!! Maybe You know why the Burners are on top and not on the Bottomside of the Forge?
@TheCoalDragonForge4 ай бұрын
I think it’s just an easy spot you can put them where ever you want. Just not from underneath lol
@jacobcrown77073 жыл бұрын
The orifice for the fuel also matters for the burner. If it isn't working right change the size or file it back. The standard .30 mig tip might have to be filed back by about 1/2 for high elevation.
@jrocks19713 жыл бұрын
Exaaactly -- and you can swap out to smaller (or larger) diameter mig tips -- depending on what get the flame right for your setup and elevation.
@Vothtrucks2 жыл бұрын
The mig tip may need to be filed back....... filed to what and where ? filed back to where ? File depth ? Sides ? filed shorter ? Filed threads , ? Teacheing as if the student already has all the details and info never works . I know what you are adding is important...... but not sure what you are suggesting here .!
@jacobcrown77072 жыл бұрын
@@Vothtrucks filled shorter.
@doughboylsog4 жыл бұрын
You are awesome the only question I have is being at sea level since I'm fro the gulf coast of Texas should the way you have your forge set up work for me
@bandcshow11d64 жыл бұрын
brandon schultz yeah it should work
@doughboylsog4 жыл бұрын
@@bandcshow11d6 thank you I have been having so much trouble with my burner
@TheCoalDragonForge4 жыл бұрын
@@doughboylsog what is it doing exactly because looking at your picture it looked like it should be fine. also let the forge heat up a bit maybe it will start working a little better when hot.
@jrocks19713 жыл бұрын
Dood - if you're at sea level, you don't have this air issue -- a venturi T-burner will work fine. Dragon beard dude is right, though, in that the key thing you want is to have a burner that's got the fuel jet (many designs use a mig welder tip) at the right 'height' in the air intake area -- ideally 'above' where the air is channeling in. If you have a traditional Frosty T-burner, you can just cut the mig tip back to get it 'higher' in that ratio -- do this in small increments, testing as you go -- or back it up the threads, if it's on something threaded -- which is a GOOD design (see "Forge / Furnace Venturi Gas Burner" from Black Beard Projects for the ultimate design.) NOTE: I am in no way affiliated with that channel -- just a great burner design that solves all the problems neatly. And you don't have to make the burner body tube that long - 8" is fine.
@mikekehler30782 жыл бұрын
I noticed at the 7 minute mark you were showing you set up for the hair dryer on one end I noticed a barbed fitting with clear tubing attached, is that for gas supply? I thought you needed to use a more permanent connection like flare thread or solder connection.
@TheCoalDragonForge2 жыл бұрын
That all has to do what you feel comfortable with Propane is a low pressure gas at a hot day little over 100 psi. So you don’t really need super hoses just he careful.
@rory506 Жыл бұрын
Would 4 ribbon burners be to much for a diy 120 gallon propane foundry trying to reach over 3000 f
@chrisdaube54354 жыл бұрын
Dude!Awesome! What jet orifice are you running?because some guys say they running at 1psi or lower but orifice size is like the hole in the middle of a doughnut???? Any ideas? Cheers
@TheCoalDragonForge4 жыл бұрын
Chris Daube the mig tip in the burners are 35s I believe
@Waltorian2 жыл бұрын
Great video. I just got my 1st forge and I am trying to figure it out. Is there a good starting point for the gap at the top and psi on the gauge. I’ve tried 5-8 psi and about a 10 mm gap. But it’s blasting out the sides. 🤔oh btw it’s a single burner thanks
@TheCoalDragonForge2 жыл бұрын
Email me Coaldragonforge@gmail.com and I will try to help
@Vothtrucks2 жыл бұрын
At 5000 ' elevation I have had no luck..... glad I found you but between throwing in discussions when prompting possibilities and bad chalk on smudged tables I simply could not get what you were saying about added air in the mix. You kept saying " before it " ... before what ? I rewound a few times but the thought is constantly being lost in other rabbits being chased. Hey... get a white board... and a nice dark marker.... forget every other subject but the one you,re on and make it clear... clear enough for dummies like myself. Thanks
@TheCoalDragonForge2 жыл бұрын
When I say before, I mean before the air intake. So that the fuel nozzle isn’t deep into the intake. Lots of these build your own burners will show the fuel nozzle deep into the intake. So you need the fuel nozzle farther out so it can draw more air? Also on the video production I’m not a studio I don’t have a schedule making these videos I do the best with what I have. But I will say this in my new shop I will get a white more for these types of videos it’s a good idea
@lenblacksmith85593 жыл бұрын
Hi, I started my forge today and noticed my burner was actually glowing red outside the forge, I have never had this before, what could cause that. I have just re-lined my forge and had the refractory too high for the burner to sit down, took some out, the end of the burner is at least 25mm or more up from the insulation in the forge. I'm thinking there might be a gap around the flare and the insulation allowing heat to come up around the flare and the insulation. What do you think please? Len
@TheCoalDragonForge3 жыл бұрын
Do you have a picture of your forge? If so send it to my email coaldragonforge@gmail.com. Normally when burner glow hot is from them being too deep in the forge. But if the burner end is too small and not tight around the refractory then yeah heat can get in there and cause it to get hot.
@lenblacksmith85593 жыл бұрын
@@TheCoalDragonForge Yeah I can do that, do you want from the inside or outside?
@lenblacksmith85593 жыл бұрын
@@TheCoalDragonForge I checked how far in it is, it's about 25-30mm up from the insulation in the forge.
@TheCoalDragonForge3 жыл бұрын
@@lenblacksmith8559 show me the inside of the forge. Also what can happen is the flame starts burning higher up in the burner and makes the burner glow red
@lenblacksmith85593 жыл бұрын
@@TheCoalDragonForge Hi sorry been working on the forge, just sent you a pic. I'm thinking the hole that goes into the forge is the smaller one of the couipling /flare from Gameco here in Australia. Just had it going for about 35 min and when I looked in the forge that hole going up to the burner coulpling, was white hot. It's a refractory castable cement.
@dakotasmith82824 жыл бұрын
What regulator would you suggest? That's my main problem right now.
@TheCoalDragonForge4 жыл бұрын
Dakota Smith you can find regulators on amazon just make sure they say they are for propane.
@MikeyLee653 жыл бұрын
Once again nobody can explain this stuff better than @The Coal Dragon Forge great explanation! Do you have an email I can Reach you at?
@TheCoalDragonForge3 жыл бұрын
Thank you! And you know it! Coaldragonforge@gmail.com
@jrocks19713 жыл бұрын
This is good info, but it's missing a critical piece -- AIR control. Being able to increase / decrease the amount of air flowing into the 'venturi' is key -- maybe less so where Coal Dragon man is, up in them hills (high elevations.) I guess you want way more(?) air than fuel up that high...? Dunno -- I'm on the down-low at 200'. That said, control over your air/fuel mix is key for getting your flame right, which is why some of the commercially-available versions like his with the holes in the tube have a collar you can adjust over the holes up and down to allow more/less air in. A low-oxygen heat for forge welding is also possible by reducing the air in the mix. Ttoo much Oxygen will burn up your stock and introduce too much (carbon?) into the steel when welding, I believe. Others could probably explain that better, but as I understand it, you want a more fuel-rich 'carborizing' flame for forge welding, so you don't F-up the chemistry of the steel, so reducing air is helpful. This is apparently why you see some smiths running a big orange flame out their gas forges when doing forge welding heats. Not sure how this works at altitude(?) If someone knows a GOOD vid on this, let us know. That said, search Ublooob for "Forge / Furnace Venturi Gas Burner" from Black Beard Projects for a truly genius, yet simple burner design. I am in no way affiliated with that channel -- just a great burner design that solves all the problems neatly. He uses a hollow (drilled-out) threaded rod in the center of a bell reducer on the air-intake side so you can vertically adjust both the mig tip (fuel input height) and the air (with a round baffle you can close down) to get the ideal mix for your situation. You can travel with this burner to higher elevations and just adjust it and it'll work. Also -- you don't have to make the burner body tube anywhere near as long as he does -- pretty sure 8" is fine.
@TheCoalDragonForge3 жыл бұрын
You are on the right track but you don’t fully understand what’s going on in the forge. But yea you want more air control for sure but like you said I’m a mile elevation and I need all the air I can get. To understand what a oxidizing flame does check out my video art of the flame
@WallaceAndersonOfficial4 жыл бұрын
Those speakers!
@TheCoalDragonForge4 жыл бұрын
Wallace Anderson you like that boom box!
@WallaceAndersonOfficial4 жыл бұрын
@@TheCoalDragonForge You always got to bumb those beats while working
@sirdanielsmalley96573 жыл бұрын
Do you have any blueprints or specific information (like measurements) for the high elevation burner design you're showing here?
@TheCoalDragonForge3 жыл бұрын
No the best thing to do is get your burner made up intake bell the runner then the reducer. The have a your gas nozzle on the fuel source. Then put the nozzle to the intake turn on fuel and have someone light it. You can move your hand back and forth till the torch look correct now your know how far to space your nozzle
@sirdanielsmalley96573 жыл бұрын
@@TheCoalDragonForge very practical! Looks like it's time to stop thinking and start doing for me. Thanks!
@randyjohnson94003 жыл бұрын
My ribbon forge just built is not gettin hot. Doesnt even get hot to turn metal red...4 plbs gas psi n air t thats no even alot ....trouble is i turn more air it blows out... 4×12 manifold with 5/16 holes n 2 inch pipe t feed it....what dod i do wrong..thank you ...have lots of good videos
@TheCoalDragonForge3 жыл бұрын
So this is what I’m thinking, the fuel isn’t atomizing good enough and when you had the air it blows itself out. Like a cutting torch. So without seeing your setup I would make a long intake runner. Put the fuel nozzle closer to the blower that will give the fuel more time to atomize. Also a factor is that your fuel nozzle isn’t big enough to put enough fuel. High pressure but a small jet will still not give enough fuel. I hope I explained that well enough
@randyjohnson94003 жыл бұрын
Awesome that ya. I couldnt figure out how to get a video to post...but i get a pic to show ya my set up
@TheCoalDragonForge3 жыл бұрын
@@randyjohnson9400 I did a live stream explaining it if you want to watch that you might find some info I talked about as well
@randyjohnson94003 жыл бұрын
@@TheCoalDragonForge how can i pm you pics
@TheCoalDragonForge3 жыл бұрын
@@randyjohnson9400 email me at Coaldragonforge@gmail.com
@dcsymbols4450 Жыл бұрын
I can't seem to get the flame to come out the end. It's always burning in the tube.
@daveg87003 жыл бұрын
I am having an issue where my forge burners are shooting out I burned propane vapor. The vapor is building up on the forge floor and destroying the fire brick at a rapid rate and it becomes very sticky very fast. I can’t figure out for the life of me why it is suddenly doing this and I replaced the burners and it is still doing this. Any ideas on why this is happening?
@TheCoalDragonForge3 жыл бұрын
Well it sounds to me that you have to much fuel going on? Maybe its too rich. But also let me ask are you trying to forge weld and using borax?
@daveg87003 жыл бұрын
@@TheCoalDragonForge no, I have not been trying to forge weld or use any borax. I usually run the forge at around 13 psi. I have a double burner Venturi set up. I changed out both the regular lot and burners with new ones. The old double burner set up I had ended up getting destroyed because I usually have the second burner closed as it’s too much waste of fuel for what I am typically doing, and the propane vapor ended up clogging the second burner to the point that when I opened the valve for the second burner, nothing would come out.
@daveg87003 жыл бұрын
@@TheCoalDragonForge I usually have the air choke open enough the get a blue oxidizing flame. Do you think then that the problem could be too much oxidation happening keeping the fuel from burning before hitting the forge floor? Idk The Who thing has really got me scratching my head 🤔
@TheCoalDragonForge3 жыл бұрын
@@daveg8700 funky. Seems like you aren’t pushing to much fuel then. When the forge is going and the brick is hot do you see a cold spot under where the burner flame is hitting.
@daveg87003 жыл бұрын
@@TheCoalDragonForge the color is slightly less bright, but still seems to be hot, and is still able to get steel to a cherry red color even when the steel is directly under the flame..... the only thing I can think of at this point is that it seemed to start happening right when I decided to put a refractory cement coating over the kaowhool (think I spelled the wrong). This has lead to the inside dimensions of the forge being about a half inch smaller from the forge ceiling the floor. Is it possible that the smaller dimensions have caused there not to be enough room for the flame to burn all the propane before hitting the forge floor? Or am I grasping on that one lol
@joehiggins73584 ай бұрын
I think I put my burners on my devil's forge on backwards, the intake is near the back door and not the front like the demo video, I was wondering what was going on there, it wouldn't light all the burners ever, it's a three burner forge, I thought it should be an easy fix
@TheCoalDragonForge4 ай бұрын
Tell me if you have any other problems I can try to help
@teddypenta73463 жыл бұрын
Can you help me? Can I send you a short video and you tell me what is wrong with my foundry?
@TheCoalDragonForge3 жыл бұрын
Absolutely sent me an email to Coaldragonforge@gmail.com
@teddypenta73463 жыл бұрын
@@TheCoalDragonForge thank you so much for quick reply, emailed!
@hoongfu4 жыл бұрын
You need more paper towels!
@TheCoalDragonForge4 жыл бұрын
hoongfu i know I’m running low!
@usarmy500 Жыл бұрын
What about 390 feet above sea level
@TheCoalDragonForge Жыл бұрын
That isn’t a big jump but you should always tune your burners
@alann48084 жыл бұрын
Here is a link that explains why adding more air will increase temperature: www.engineeringtoolbox.com/boiler-combustion-efficiency-d_271.html You’ll get the hottest temps when you have ~15% more air than you need, but for blacksmiths that’s problem because your forge environment will be oxidizing. For the Frosty burner, you are supposed to move the mig tip backwards (increase the gap between the mig tip end and the mixing tube) to tune it. The further back you move it, the more air it will induct. No idea if, at your elevation, you can get it back far enough to work but that’s the theory. FWIW “Naturally Aspirated” is a better term than venturi. These aren’t venturis, even though people, call them that. They are “injectors” - what happens is the high speed speed jet of propane tries to shoot through the air, and some of that air gets pulled along (“entrained”) with the gas. When you move the mig tip back, or put air ports in front of it, you're increasing the length of the propane stream that is exposed to air, allowing it to entrain more.
@damnageink3302 жыл бұрын
My flame won't go to the end
@TheCoalDragonForge2 жыл бұрын
I need more information than that. What do you mean
@@TheCoalDragonForge the flame starts almost at the mig tip I tried to tag u in a video
@BobSmith1980.3 жыл бұрын
Thank you!
@TheCoalDragonForge3 жыл бұрын
I hope it helped you can always email me questions you have
@BobSmith1980.3 жыл бұрын
@@TheCoalDragonForge thank you. I've been going through this process for awhile, first forge you know how it is but I learned more from your video than any other
@TheCoalDragonForge3 жыл бұрын
@@BobSmith1980. oh that’s makes me feel useful! I’m glad it wasn’t crap hahaha! Tell me how it goes Bob