Forget NVidia, AMD and Intel. Qualcomm OWNED computex!

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@kartikkailas9123
@kartikkailas9123 Ай бұрын
It only looks like a commercial for Qualcomm. AMD's strix point has more TOPS than Qcomm
@christophermullins7163
@christophermullins7163 Ай бұрын
"Apple Intelligence" being "AI" is the most Apple thing I have ever seen from apple.
@cartilagehead6326
@cartilagehead6326 Ай бұрын
"AI" is such a toxic brand to enough people that Apple doing the minimum to differentiate their implementation from "regular AI" might actually a smart move IMO
@christophermullins7163
@christophermullins7163 Ай бұрын
@@cartilagehead6326 oh I'm sure it's a smart move. It's apple. They do what makes them money in the coming years.
@Techaktien
@Techaktien Ай бұрын
4 years ago you said almost the same
@craigjoe8691
@craigjoe8691 28 күн бұрын
Moore's law is dead. It takes longer. We here now.
@craigjoe8691
@craigjoe8691 28 күн бұрын
Moore's law is dead. It takes longer. We here now.
@prague5419
@prague5419 Ай бұрын
Coreteks is Celso Soares....and that voice ISN'T him. Something wrong has happened to our channel here.
@Coreteks
@Coreteks Ай бұрын
lol.. yeah I was abducted by an AI XD you guys crack me up
@mattb782
@mattb782 Ай бұрын
The voice does sound different. Maybe the voice software he used changed?
@celdur4635
@celdur4635 Ай бұрын
Fuck Adobe's near monopolistic position.
@MostfaL9999
@MostfaL9999 Ай бұрын
I believe it’s getting to an end with generative ai and opensource solutions.
@vgfxworks
@vgfxworks Ай бұрын
add to that Autodesk's monopolistic sales model.
@NameUserOf
@NameUserOf Ай бұрын
People are leaving Adobe in masses now because of their new policy change. Should be interesting to see what happens next 2 years. Individuals are migrating to Affinity and Davinci Resolve for the majority of use cases and some other alternatives for more niche products. However what's going to happen in big studios and how much indvidual artists going off would make a difference for their profits.
@zodwraith5745
@zodwraith5745 Ай бұрын
How are they monopolistic? What shady things have they done to kill off competition and force you to use them and them only? I think you mean you say you hate that they're the most popular and their pricing sucks. I hate their pricing structure as much as anyone but it's not like they have no competition. Many are even free. Blame people that are scared to learn new competing software.
@celdur4635
@celdur4635 Ай бұрын
@@zodwraith5745 Whenever you have a dominant market position and you start to raise prices because you know your product is best, its "monopolistic abuse" many countries punish that kind of behavior, since you are putting pressure on peoples livelihood.
@DaystromDataConcepts
@DaystromDataConcepts Ай бұрын
Nope! Not interested in trading security for convenience. I can't think of anything more intrusive than the direction Copilot+ is taking us. MS have already had to backtrack on how Recall is implemented, so there's already been huge push-back here. However, the general consumer will be sucked into the marketing hype for A.I and seeing a new PC with a Copilot+ sticker along with the lure of A.I, will be giving up their data for that ever-popular convenience. The mad push toward everything A.I is a gold-mine of data for corporations wanting more of what you have. I will actively avoid Copilot+ certified hardware moving forward and disable as many A.I features as I can in Windows.
@Dave102693
@Dave102693 Ай бұрын
Exactly
@CrashBashL
@CrashBashL Ай бұрын
You have 0 security as it is.
@SQ8MXT
@SQ8MXT Ай бұрын
@@MrReaperder2 I am glad I did about a year ago. If you don't need games or very specific software that runs on windows only and have a little patience and are willing to look for some alternative ones than linux is fine. There might also be some minor annoyances that require a bit of tinkering. I am not going to lie transition period will be annoying and it's unavoidable but if it's right for you will never return to windows again. For me it took about a month or two and now when i have to use windows on someone else's computer I miss my linux desktop
@SQ8MXT
@SQ8MXT Ай бұрын
@@MrReaperder2 That is exactly how I did it. I was thinking about switching for years because i liked win7 and hated win10. But last year my motherboard died and I had to buy a new pc. Windows 7 was not supported anymore and more and more software just wouldn't work on it so I used the opportunity to switch to linux. I chose linux mint since it is very popular and the UI feels similar to windows 7. For a short time I dual booted windows just in case but soon I found out that i hardly ever use it and got rid of altogether.
@prismgems
@prismgems Ай бұрын
@@MrReaperder2 Why not try it as a dual boot to see if it works for you? Or, run it in an emulator. Big step to just throw away your old system, and jump to a new one. Yes, it makes it sink or swim, so is motivating, but might leave you hanging. There are also live versions of linux that you can put on a USB stick and boot up. That lets you try different distributions of linux (ubuntu, debian, arch, fedora, suse, and dozens of others) to see which you like. Also, there are multiple desktops, so you can try different desktops. Some have all the bells and whistles, emulating mac or win 11, some are minimal, almost at the level of win 95 or xp. Gnome, kde, mate, cinnamon, xfce, lxde, lxqt, and more. And alternative: Do you have a friend that runs linux? To start with, it might be a good idea to use what they use, so they can get you over any rough spots. Once you are up and running, and get some chops, then you can explore all the alternatives.
@NameUserOf
@NameUserOf Ай бұрын
1. Most people aren't interested in image generation to a point they would run for npu device. It's like a toy, funny filters on some apps like tik tok etc, they played a bit and trashed later. 2. Microsoft isn't a company that people would gladly trust their data, even hardcore windows users are making plans to move away to another os if win 11 will become the only supported version. And recall feature scared off even more. 3. Most people don't watch movies on windows machines. The moment smart TVs took over this trend died really quick. So this connection you're talking about simply won't fly. Not to mention if the movie is interesting why do you need you phone? And if it's not than why torture yourself watching it or even search information about it on your phone, this makes no sense. 4. All major companies will have npus but Microsoft said it would be useless for its main feature aka recall at the start. Same goes for Qualcomm, so the only thing that every single company including lenovo has announced is image generation. It's not like we already had 100+ apps that do that. 5. Admins won't be running around replacing laptops for arm based ones. Do you know why? Software compatibility both non popular one and very specific one and companie's self written one. This is the same reason Linux can't get much share. So neither the program nor npu is a selling point. When devices will be available for testing and battery life will be tested than we could talk about its value.
@xponen
@xponen Ай бұрын
NPUs will gave a laptop or PC an accelerator to implement software solution like self-driving cars, auto dubbing/subtitling of movies, sorting and counting of production line using camera, and interactive NPCs in videos games without resorting to big company like Tesla, Google, or OpenAI, so this will make a laptop or PC very useful.
@yasunakaikumi
@yasunakaikumi Ай бұрын
imo, I would like NPU to be use in games to improve AI, I wanna see the future of RPG games AI goes beyond of same dialogue every time I talk to them... or better Racing game AI, or maybe AI computing physics system of the game instead of CPU and GPU doing it.
@taab84
@taab84 Ай бұрын
i agree with the second point, since microsoft are known for killing quickly their product services, just remember Lumia and windows phone
@karathkasun
@karathkasun Ай бұрын
@@xponen No they wont. They dont have the performance for it. And 16gb or even 32gb is not enough ram to run proper useful models while doing anything else.
@mikael.wilhelm
@mikael.wilhelm Ай бұрын
@@karathkasun True, but this is just a first generation product. Eventually performance will reach the level where locally run LLM's can be done. It's like when the first GPU's with raytracing support weren't anywhere near powerful enough to raytrace a whole scene. But the tech was put out there, and people found some limited use for it, like rendering reflections in eyes. I assume people will find some limited use for the limited NPUs too.
@ivayloi736
@ivayloi736 Ай бұрын
Most people do not care about generating funny images or being tracked by M$... At the end, PC is about - price - general CPU & GPU performance - compatibility IMO Copilot will end up like the Facebook metaverse... A lot of hype in the heads of delusional CEOs.
@mikael.wilhelm
@mikael.wilhelm Ай бұрын
Price: ARM wins hands down General performance: ARM wins for mobile applications where power efficiency is key Compatibility: Emulation through machine code translation makes old X86 apps run seamlessly on an ARM machine, so not really an issue ARM is a better choice for phones and tablets, and now also for laptops (and also for Mac desktops). So the only niche where X86 still makes sense is power hungry high-end PC desktops with an elaborate cooling system. That's it. This niche is getting smaller and smaller over time, and the performance gap is getting smaller and smaller too. Within ten years this niche will be gone.
@zodwraith5745
@zodwraith5745 Ай бұрын
@@mikael.wilhelm That's a lot of hopium/copium. Do you hold shares in ARM or something? Price: You obviously haven't seen announced pricing. Qualcomm and the OEMs have no intentions to sell these as budget friendly laptops. On the contrary the starting prices are competing with x86 laptops with _dedicated graphics_ that will annihilate them in performance. You'll be paying an Apple-esque _premium_ for these laptops, not less. ARM _loses_ hands down. General performance: Your answer has absolutely squat to do with performance, and you're shilling the efficiency marketing hard while dodging the subject just like Qualcomm. People still care about real _performance_ when they plug in and ask the system to do more than browse Amazon and KZfaq. Some people use laptops for portability, not for mobile use. I know I do and I'll trade battery life for performance 10/10 times as long as it's not ridiculously bad. No power user is doing 8hrs of heavy workloads in the middle of the f*cking forest. Not to mention early tests have shown ARM is perfectly happy sucking power if you ask it to perform a real workload. Compatibility: That emulation has already proven to come at a 15-20% performance penalty, and that's assuming it really is _seamless,_ which Apple's shift showed us it won't be. The truly laughable part is you're assuming Microsoft's emulation layer will work perfectly. Have you ever actually used a Microsoft product? I'm going off what we know. You're going completely off hopium. Looking at early testing and pricing it's a solid meh. Once the novelty wears off and people realize they'll be paying a premium to get worse performance ARM will fizzle unless they get those prices in check. Qualcomm doesn't have Apple's cult following that says "it's worth it" to pay 20% more for a fruit logo on the back while breaking their old software, and that's exactly the consumer Qualcomm is targeting. Here's hoping early pricing is just taking advantage of early bandwagoners like yourself because they're not taking any market share from Apple cultists nor from x86 users when they're more expensive for worse performance.
@tgdhsuk3589
@tgdhsuk3589 Ай бұрын
I think we have reached a point where efficiency is the mostimportant metric, for now the cpu/ gpu performance is good enough ie Ryzen 6800u = gtx 1050 + i9 9900k, but notice how weak the gpu is , because the "iGPUs" are inefficient. Something needs to be done, we needed strix halo 2-3 years ago, and mobile devices need to comfortably have 40 hour battery life under full load or something, either increased battery, decreased usage or both
@mashirokobato5509
@mashirokobato5509 Ай бұрын
​@@mikael.wilhelmthe lame buzzwords 5 years ago.. haha ARM isn't going anywhere..
@mashirokobato5509
@mashirokobato5509 Ай бұрын
​@@mikael.wilhelmlook at Apple vision the best example there's nothing fancy about the ARM isa .. the battery life of the vision pro only last 2 hours? Wut.. even the AMD ryzen match Apple M3 battery life..
@mentalplayground
@mentalplayground Ай бұрын
copilot = I will never touch this stuff.
@m2oman
@m2oman Ай бұрын
Love the Coreteks Content……Started with a an “Intel” Ad, being shown before the video predicting X86’s doom…..the irony 😀😀😀😀
@Decki777
@Decki777 Ай бұрын
I only care about gaming performance ARM chips are not good at it .
@kernow5000
@kernow5000 Ай бұрын
Then this isn't the video for you - why comment? It's like commenting on a car video saying you don't need that car
@Alien8_P1
@Alien8_P1 Ай бұрын
@@kernow5000 It's a comments section, he watched the video and commented, not really that difficult to comprehend. If you don't like a differing variety of comments, don't read the comment section.
@axl1002
@axl1002 Ай бұрын
With Lunar Lake around the corner, I think it's too early to give the win to Qualcomm. Apple and Intel will lock the competition out from next gen TSMC nodes. AMD cares more to buy their own stock while selling us silicon from 5 year old nodes.
@Repsikka
@Repsikka Ай бұрын
arm might be the future, the same way AI is the future, as in, far in the future, currently, I couldn't give two shits for a laptop you can't play with, but can ask it to create 7 fingered monstrosity while barely using the battery, whoopdie doo!
@kernow5000
@kernow5000 Ай бұрын
"you can't play with" - what? It's not a gaming laptop ffs
@Repsikka
@Repsikka Ай бұрын
@@kernow5000 no shit Sherlock, hence one of the reasons I couldn't give two shits about arm, Qualcomm or Snapdragon, even though they "owned" computex, and reading the comment section, I'm not the only one
@Hugo-yp9dt
@Hugo-yp9dt Ай бұрын
That said "future" is approaching increasingly fast. Y'all acted the same back 2 years ago with LLMs and what? It has come to a point where it can replace software designers. It's not distant 50 years ahead it's very much close
@Repsikka
@Repsikka Ай бұрын
@@kernow5000 just saw the pricing, 1500€ for a laptop that's basically a chromebook, cool
@kernow5000
@kernow5000 Ай бұрын
@@Repsikka you have no idea what you're on about
@swaggitypigfig8413
@swaggitypigfig8413 Ай бұрын
Mic audio issues :|
@IbrahimNgeno
@IbrahimNgeno Ай бұрын
Does Coreteks think "Chinese" is only spoken in China?
@selohcin
@selohcin Ай бұрын
Probably. Most westerners don't know the first thing about China.
@Coreteks
@Coreteks Ай бұрын
It was just a joke at how ironic it is that you can have your content translated, but a market as large as china bans youtube. Had nothing to do with where chinese is spoken or not. Man, this communitiy..
@PlanetFrosty
@PlanetFrosty Ай бұрын
Ah, the ol’ Arm Pit😂, RISC5 is seriously nipping at the heels of ARM-then there is the entirely new SOC based biologic LightValve
@Dave102693
@Dave102693 Ай бұрын
I’ll would be happy if Recall wasn’t a thing.
@selohcin
@selohcin Ай бұрын
I'm leaving Windows because of this.
@FreakyDudeEx
@FreakyDudeEx Ай бұрын
dude i am already using ARM on windows.... its so bad.... if this is the end product that will be launched with the qualcom stuff and the best they can do is only 12 cores.... GL with that... even with the apple silicon with more cores thrown at it, its still a horrible experience.... there is just a lot of stuff missing in ARM to even work well enough... and the translation layers that these 2 OS makers keeps claiming to have done... i guess they are amazing but it still does not beat an x86 with its proper instruction set.... yes the performance and efficiency is great and does look amazing on benchmarks... the problem is that its only benchmarks and that in general computing tasks, and especially for my work... it does not perform as well as an x86 platform with lower benchmark scores... especially in the stability department.... almost everyday i have to deal with a BSOD from windows just doing window's things... at least if i run full on MacOS its fine but when i use windows along with it.... yea the main problem with the qualcom stuff is not the chip... in fact its great that we have an option for people that use the laptops for only web browsing and other light tasks... the problem is that it does not come with its own dedicated OS like MacOS... relying on windows is going to kill off these new chips before it can even gain market share....
@FreakyDudeEx
@FreakyDudeEx Ай бұрын
again... people are forgetting AMD has actually made a more efficient chip that is more powerful that apple silicon at the same low wattage performance... the problem is people have short term memories it seems... and this innovation started because valve wanted to make the steam deck... and it turns out AMD could make more efficient and powerful chips....
@kernow5000
@kernow5000 Ай бұрын
"proper instruction set" 😂😂😂
@mikael.wilhelm
@mikael.wilhelm Ай бұрын
@@kernow5000 Haha, the X86 instruction set is so "proper" that all modern X86 chips actually first translate it into something more reasonable internally, and then execute that instead. Decoding the arcane 1 to 15 byte long X86 instructions and converting them to a more streamlined instruction set that can actually be executed efficiently is a major bottleneck and wastes power. The ARM chips avoid the hassle since ARM already has a well-designed instruction set to begin with. Which is the reason X86 failed to move to phones. Too power hungry.
@mikael.wilhelm
@mikael.wilhelm Ай бұрын
@@Winnetou17 Nope, it's not the same. X86 and ARM chips are very different under the hood. X86 has an archaic instruction set that is difficult/impossible to decode in parallel because instruction length can be anything from 1 to 15 bytes, and even finding out which it is takes a lot of logic gates. And you can't start decoding the next instruction until you figured out how long the first one is and where the next begins! This serializes instruction decoding, which means you can't easily decode several instructions per clock cycle to feed all execution units. Modern X86 chips get around this by storing the decoded instructions in a more streamlined converted form in a cache, which makes it faster to execute them again in a loop, but the first execution is still limited by the serialized X86 instruction decoding. ARM does not have this problem because all instructions are 32 bit long. You can decode as many as you like in parallel. This means things run faster, and wastes less energy. The X86 CPU must do complex instruction decoding, convert instructions to a simpler internal form and cache that for later use and possible reuse. All of this is extra work ARM CPU's don't need to do.
@Mecholable
@Mecholable Ай бұрын
I have a snapdragon laptop (lenovo x13s) which has the same SOC as the microsoft surface of that generation. I hate it that the platform is closed and it is practically impossible to run any hypervisor other than Hyper-V. It is hard to t=run Linux on it and quite impractical because of all the patches the kernel needs and it is impossible to run a hypervisor.
@intothebeyond8763
@intothebeyond8763 Ай бұрын
So snapdragon is a no for Network engineers and Network Admins . So do all automation tools run like crap on it ?
@Mecholable
@Mecholable Ай бұрын
The Linux kernel is a pain to upgrade, because you have to apply some patches and build it yourself. You cannot have virtual machines because KVM cannot initialize as Qualcomm does not give us access to the hypervisor level (EL2). I was using arch Linux for ARM and I did not have any issues with the tool I used. That is to say, this machine was built for Windows.
@vincelongman3264
@vincelongman3264 Ай бұрын
Watching Intel's Computex, you could see they are pretty shaken up by the rapid adoption of Qualcomm chips (really impressive vs the slow adapt of Zen2 a few years ago). But that's a great thing, it means Intel are taking Qualcomm seriously and will respond according. Its exciting times for consumers with Apple vs Intel vs AMD vs Qualcomm, and soon MediaTek/Nvidia too
@mosesdavid5536
@mosesdavid5536 Ай бұрын
Microsoft fumbled Woa with their recall shenanigans
@Dave102693
@Dave102693 Ай бұрын
Ikr?
@EnochGitongaKimathi
@EnochGitongaKimathi Ай бұрын
I was more impressed with Intel Lunar Lake. They responded accordingly to the Snapdragon X Elite hype.
@tysloo81
@tysloo81 Ай бұрын
for a laptop, not really. we don't really need faster cpu just more power efficient CPU. The only uncertainty is windows, the success of X elite rely on windows, if windows for arm is bad, no matter how good the chip is, it still going to fail.
@EnochGitongaKimathi
@EnochGitongaKimathi Ай бұрын
@@tysloo81 Lunar Lake is designed for efficiency. From the manufacturing process node to the packaging to the micro-architecture the priority was efficiency.
@tysloo81
@tysloo81 Ай бұрын
@@EnochGitongaKimathi that depend on efficiency compare to ARM or AMD? If compare to AMD, then it is meaningless
@EnochGitongaKimathi
@EnochGitongaKimathi Ай бұрын
@@tysloo81 that's the thing nor ARM or AMD are the standard of efficiency. For a long time the dream has been to have desktop PC performance in an ultraportable devices with multi-day battery life. Intel is competing with all of them and wants to take the performance per watt crown. They also have a cost efficient package, instead of having everything in a Monolithic design on the most advanced and expensive node, Intel uses 2 dies: the Compute Tile on the more expensive TSMC N3B and the Platform Controller Tile on the more affordable TSMC N6.
@Ronny999x
@Ronny999x Ай бұрын
What does it matter if a Judge will force Qualcomm to stop the release? ARM Lawsuit...
@SplendidTruth
@SplendidTruth 20 күн бұрын
AI replacing parents and teachers? Perfect technology for powers that rule over you and me.
@mattbosley3531
@mattbosley3531 Ай бұрын
Qualcomm is all hype and promotion until some computers get released, reviewed and benchmarked. Way too much excitement over something that isn't actually available to consumers yet.
@brianh7700
@brianh7700 Ай бұрын
There is much hype to advertise over & over again so when it does come out it is already implanted in your brain. Just as subliminal messages use to do. Plus some creators are paid by the companies to get it out to the masses. It is a marketing tactic that we as consumers should not give into.
@pilotstiles
@pilotstiles Ай бұрын
The best part about copilot and windows is it allowed me to transition over too Linux Mint and the lack of AI garbage I don’t have to deal with. Cheers.
@CrazyPCgamercatguy
@CrazyPCgamercatguy Ай бұрын
AI on the OS level is a no-go. I already started migrating to Linux.
@Dave-bp6ju
@Dave-bp6ju Ай бұрын
It was already shown that ARM, and RICS in general, is good for simple, low end consumer devices, targeted at "zombies" consuming social media or playing mobile games. Simple hardware excels at simple tasks. But when it comes to powerful gaming machines, workstations, or generally machines that are heavily loaded with broad spectrum of tasks - then the extra silicon capable of running specialised instructions (we have hundreds of these in x86...) pays of.
@TK199999
@TK199999 Ай бұрын
Yes, but can Qualcomm preform the dark rituals necessary to summon daemon from the immaterium to make their silicon like Apple does?
@thisathema
@thisathema Ай бұрын
But what about music production? Are we still dependent on x86x64?
@Coreteks
@Coreteks Ай бұрын
probably, I want to test if VSTs are compatible and if they have latency issues
@ageofdoge
@ageofdoge Ай бұрын
Interesting. I'm going to need good Linux support before considering it though. I'm not interested in the creepy Microsoft spyware.
@MostfaL9999
@MostfaL9999 Ай бұрын
I really like your videos, Could you make a video about photonic chips and different alternatives that could disrupt the industry?
@HanmaHeiro
@HanmaHeiro Ай бұрын
You're atleast bold. I doubt the first gen of these qualcomm chips will truly be this amazing. But the second gen and when developers get on board. Holy hell will it be cool
@MandomFive
@MandomFive Ай бұрын
I'm having a moment of realization here and I'm hesitated so say this. Even the PCs are not safe from AI and eventually will be replaced by the AI. Mind you the Computer + AI are not Personal Computer. It's more like Data Miners to me.
@MrPDawes
@MrPDawes Ай бұрын
Google search used to be great but these days it's so biased towards sponsors that it's now utterly useless. Any search engine should be truth seeking and not money seeking.
@zodwraith5745
@zodwraith5745 Ай бұрын
No they didn't. They showed very little hard data and only spouted marketing. People are interested in ARM PCs because they expect them to be cheap and efficient like their phone chips. One glance at announced pricing shows Qualcomm has zero interest in making these affordable. $1200, $1300, and $1400 _starting_ prices for a thin and light without a dGPU? That's Apple cultist territory. Early tests have also shown they're plenty power hungry when asked to do any real workload outside of browsing Amazon, which is also one of Lunar Lake's high points with it's 2 ultra low power cores. Once the novelty wears off and people realize they're paying a premium for their Windows apps to go _slower_ these are going to flop, or at the very least fizzle unless the consumer is completely unaware what they're even buying.
@zodwraith5745
@zodwraith5745 Ай бұрын
@@Winnetou17 You're right. I'd missed that. How did they get power usage so insanely low then? They were showing an AV1 video running against Meteor Lake while using _less_ lower then MTL, and I'd assumed the ULP cores had just gotten more efficient due to the node shrink. They called it a "low power island" so I assumed they were talking about those ULP cores but I guess it's completely different from MTL. kzfaq.info/get/bejne/sL1yqraYldnZnok.htmlsi=bIrlT62HU_6AY9aT
@mashirokobato5509
@mashirokobato5509 Ай бұрын
People nowadays are become FOMO cult... Btw remember NFT hype 2021 .. now what happened to NFT? It's the same looom
@vitormoreno1244
@vitormoreno1244 Ай бұрын
6:42 Did you forget the x64(AMD64) instruction set was invented by AMD in 1999(released in 2003)?
@AlexRubio
@AlexRubio Ай бұрын
I haven't watched the full vid I have been watch a lot of videos on the event, but arm isn't ready for the majority of people. It has to keep up with legacy applications, and what m$ is doing isn't perfect. Business, and gaming is a big deal. So far I don't see arm or snapdragon being near what intel or amd can do. AI is also being added to all new chips for x86_64. battery life is very interesting, however most x86 CPUs now have great battery life even when pushed hard. ARM will take off when the majority of software is working better on these systems.
@Dave102693
@Dave102693 Ай бұрын
x86 has terrible battery life
@AlexRubio
@AlexRubio Ай бұрын
@@Dave102693 No, i'm getting well over seven hours a battery life
@mikael.wilhelm
@mikael.wilhelm Ай бұрын
The X86 emulation on Macs works great, and I assume Windows won't be any worse. Running an app compiled for X86 on an ARM Mac is 100 % seamless, and you just don't notice a difference to a native app. The only difference being that Apple will eventually remove the emulator when they decide people don't need to run old apps anymore. But that's not a technical limitation, that's just Apple being Apple. I can actually run PC games compiled for X86 on my Mac Studio M2 Max. Wrong OS and wrong CPU architecture, and yet it still runs just fine. It was a total surprise to me how well this works. I think it will work at least as well on Windows.
@AlexRubio
@AlexRubio Ай бұрын
@@mikael.wilhelm that is a different operating systems; unix bsd. Just because you run them doesn't mean they run well, stop.
@georgitodorov4048
@georgitodorov4048 26 күн бұрын
Man i liked your chanel but this is like the 10th video from the last 15 that will last like fine milk.
@chbrules
@chbrules Ай бұрын
ARM is the way forward, but that doesn't mean Qualcomm wins by default in the long run. Maybe they're the first serious player out of the gate, but there are a lot of players - including Nvidia. This video is a bit naive and optimistic with its predictions.
@prashanthb6521
@prashanthb6521 Ай бұрын
This is a good change from x86. Intel and AMD are actually selling old tech still.
@thisathema
@thisathema Ай бұрын
Did I understand correctly? Snapdragon is former VIA?
@Dhrazor
@Dhrazor Ай бұрын
Sure... it will take qualcomm like 2 generations to make their PC lineup acceptable, the first review samples are already reported to be performing at 60% of what was advertised at the announcement, even if they fix those the CPUs are basically Meteor Lake with a different badge at the same price or more... unless they start to give away CPUs for free to OEMs, nobody will buy these unless mandated by their company...
@milktobo7418
@milktobo7418 Ай бұрын
Congrats for falling for all the buzz words. The architecture is not novel and is already integrated in x86 CPUs and no emulation is required. These snapdragons are optimized to run chrome, whoopie.
@SunsetNova
@SunsetNova Ай бұрын
You work in Intel marketing department?
@miyagiryota9238
@miyagiryota9238 Ай бұрын
@@SunsetNovahe tells truth
@SunsetNova
@SunsetNova Ай бұрын
@@miyagiryota9238 you his PA?
@Alien8_P1
@Alien8_P1 Ай бұрын
@@SunsetNova You Amon's sister?
@shirzaijaz2322
@shirzaijaz2322 Ай бұрын
Old news
@lionelt.9124
@lionelt.9124 Ай бұрын
Recall is something that might be interesting if it were an open source feature on Linux but from Microsoft? No thanks. NPUs are interesting but again I'd live to use it on Linux. I've transitioned from Windows 10 to Bazzite and NixOS due to the encrappification of Windows.
@MNaka-uf9yz
@MNaka-uf9yz Ай бұрын
If you don't see regular desktop PC shown by Qualcomm it's because SD X Elite connectivity is total weak sauce, that's why you don't see a complete platform ecosystem around them. For instance they have only 8x 4th gen PCIe lanes, that's far from being sufficient for a desktop PC with a full fledged PCIe GPU or many others nVME SSDs.
@mikael.wilhelm
@mikael.wilhelm Ай бұрын
First ARM stole the phone and tablet market. Now it's coming for the laptops. The desktops will have to wait a little longer, but I guarantee ARM will target that market too within just a few years.
@tysloo81
@tysloo81 Ай бұрын
@@mikael.wilhelm don't need to wait long, once the chinese get their hand on the chip, they will made a mini pc out of it. And it will be much smaller without the fan.
@untrainedprofessionals2374
@untrainedprofessionals2374 Ай бұрын
I do like the "Gaming on Windows" part. Seems odd as they have decided to end Windows Mixed Reality, possibly rendering thousands of VR headsets like the HP G2 useless, unless someone comes up with a solution after the 24.H2 update.
@furythree
@furythree Ай бұрын
Who was here when coreteks predicted the RISC arm architecture future? 👇
@DoesNotInhale
@DoesNotInhale Ай бұрын
he didn't predict anything that was MooresLawIsDead and other Twitter people. christ you are dumb
@enjimusic90
@enjimusic90 Ай бұрын
I can still remember the the thumbnail. I didn't think it would happen though until apple
@interlace84
@interlace84 Ай бұрын
People should realize for the average consumers to tech & gaming enthusiasts more competition is always a good thing-- we'll need challenges to the existing monopolies if we don't want CPU trends to follow what's happened with GPUs lately.. 💸
@curious5887
@curious5887 Ай бұрын
ARM is indeed a future, but x86 will remain and most of the world most powerful computer run on x86 architecture, and ARM taking over will only happens gradually, also saying Qualcomm win Computex 2024 is pretty stupid considering that Intel is planning to produce ARM chips for Nvidia, also, Qualcomm is a shady company
@bogganalseryd2324
@bogganalseryd2324 Ай бұрын
price will dictate how many buy em, if a laptop can come down to 279 with the power of this cpu then it will matter but if its a 1000$+ fiasco then no
@cracklingice
@cracklingice Ай бұрын
There might be a few people that fall for this, but I doubt most people will trade in their PCs for Windows running on a mobile phone.
@jasonvors1922
@jasonvors1922 17 күн бұрын
The only thing you do to these is upgrade the storage, So whenever you need more ram you gotta go out and buy one with more ram at a ridiculous price point.
@rustynail6363
@rustynail6363 Ай бұрын
Considering co-pilot has just nearly landed MS in court, I think I'll pass.
@South_0f_Heaven_
@South_0f_Heaven_ Ай бұрын
Unless there is a widespread layout and implementation of motherboards for these alternative CPU’s absolutely nothing is going to change. Even if a few motherboards were made available it would be a minimum of at least a decade before it’s adopted by software, hardware companies and the general public. In other words, not going to happen anytime soon if ever.
@observer9285
@observer9285 Ай бұрын
Enjoy listening to your thoughts on new and upcoming hardware. Keep up the good work, and dont mind the few haters.
@Yusufyusuf-lh3dw
@Yusufyusuf-lh3dw Ай бұрын
Snapdragon x elite platform is not going to be a run away success for Qualcomm. It will have a ton of performance and compatibility issues that Qualcomm will have to work on. Most probably their second or third generation processors will be quite competitive against apple intel and AMD. Corporates will not buy Qualcomm laptops until third generation.
@mapscorp
@mapscorp Ай бұрын
Imagine a Adreno dGPU too in the future
@gaiustacitus4242
@gaiustacitus4242 Ай бұрын
The M3 MAX remains at the top of the charts. The NPU performance is irrelevant when most of any serious AI workload is still offloaded onto an externally hosted LLM. Too much value is being placed on the NPU of the Snapdragon CPUs, for the NPU will only be utilized in rare circumstances. The majority of computer users will continue to write letters and reports, create spreadsheets, and develop presentations. The Snapdragon based computers I've reviewed the specifications of all have lackluster graphics capabilities (though better than most office workers are accustomed to).
@mikael.wilhelm
@mikael.wilhelm Ай бұрын
The NPU/TPU is not up to snuff yet. Eventually it will be powerful enough to matter, but the early iterations aren't much to write home about. I'm generating pictures with Stable Diffusion on my Mac Studio M2 Max, and it is possible to choose CPU or GPU or TPU. The GPU is the fastest option, even though this is exactly the kind of workload the TPU is designed for.
@gaiustacitus4242
@gaiustacitus4242 Ай бұрын
@@mikael.wilhelm The NPU won't make much of an impact so long as none of the laptops based on the Snapdragon have 16GB, 32GB or (only a special preorder) 64GB of RAM. It takes more RAM than these laptops provide to run the larger and more accurate LLMs, and the RAM is non-upgradeable.
@zenairzulu1378
@zenairzulu1378 Ай бұрын
welp what a hot mess of a future I mean we don't have to build a dystopian RTX on AI world do we???
@poppyrider5541
@poppyrider5541 Ай бұрын
I've been saying for years. Google kept YT runnning at a loss for so many years because it's value in not in revenue. It's in the data it give them. And they are using that to train their robots. Everyone has access to the front facing info but the amount of backend data YT has must be mind boggling.
@radeksparowski7174
@radeksparowski7174 Ай бұрын
cant wait for low power passively cooled beast with a shitload of pcie slots to add fast storage or multiple gpus
@mikael.wilhelm
@mikael.wilhelm Ай бұрын
"cant wait for low power passively cooled beast" Apple's got your back bro! "with a shitload of pcie slots to add fast storage or multiple gpus" Or not.
@radeksparowski7174
@radeksparowski7174 Ай бұрын
@@mikael.wilhelm :-D apple is too closed environment with a "we know better what is good for you" attitude and overprised, been with windows since 3.11, stayed longest with XP and 7, than 8.1 was pretty good to me and workrelatedly had to upgrade to 10 and current 11...but I have had enough with how windows is handling users, randomly changing things that got soso stable and usable only to /presumably/ one department can pretend activity over another department, experimented with few linux distros /knoppix, slax, and puppylinux for troubleshooting and give second life to obsolete HW and later ubuntu, mint, zorinOS as main OS on secondary computer/ there was allways something that bugged me out...but now it looks like will have to move seriously on other hardware and OS....time arm or risc-v mix up the hardware business and maybe some linux assistent AI agent will become a main driver with applications running in some sort of a sandbox
@mashirokobato5509
@mashirokobato5509 Ай бұрын
​@@mikael.wilhelmHuh M2 ultra is the best example of disaster
@tysloo81
@tysloo81 Ай бұрын
looking for lower end snapdragon, x elite too pricy. if the price beat or same as Intel and AMD, there no reason using AMD and Intel.
@joshuafenner3022
@joshuafenner3022 Ай бұрын
You make really great videos
@Pillokun
@Pillokun Ай бұрын
will still not be that big of a hit in the commercial engineering sector, for avg consumers, movie/photo editors and coders sure. But nothing but win/x86 works on industry leading engineering Cad software like, Catia, Solidworks and nx. And it moves pretty slowly in that sector because any delay will be costly.
@Mateus01234
@Mateus01234 Ай бұрын
Dear Coretex, why do you think people are hating so much on your channel lately? Perhaps because they don't like your take on the obvious? Keep up the good work!
@Coreteks
@Coreteks Ай бұрын
because this is the most toxic community on youtube. It's always been like that, and I don't think there's much one can do about it other than just shadowban which is what I do
@davibelo
@davibelo Ай бұрын
IMHO. People who doesn't understand tech and only use notebooks for office and web browsing will buy those computers because the long lasting battery. For example, if I give an ARM windows notebook for my wife and 60% of my coworkers they will never know that they are using another computer architecture 😂... After some years of installed base, more and more software and game companies will have the necessary incentive to compile a version for ARM windows. After that, it will start to make sense to have this architecture also in PCs
@rocker10039
@rocker10039 Ай бұрын
Imagine snapdragon x elite on tab s9 Ultra🤯
@Jolbulka
@Jolbulka Ай бұрын
I was born in 93. Kids born 2010+ can't focus on anything longer than 15seconds. AI stuff is making it worse (~sql dev by profession, working with kids on laser tag on the weekends). Kids are shouting skibbi when playing - am I old now? Q_Q
@doggSMK
@doggSMK Ай бұрын
We hear this since 00's 😂 where are they? PS: The new AMD Ryzen AI APUs are already faster than crApple M3, Quallcomm whatever X and intel whatever they have. 😂 The Ryzen has 50TOPS ;)
@Coreteks
@Coreteks Ай бұрын
I see your profile pic, and you look like an adult. But your comments don't match that pic.
@marktackman2886
@marktackman2886 Ай бұрын
Qualcomm is gonna get eatn alive by Mediatek, AMD, Intel, they provide ZERO benifits in the PC space. M$ is just using them because Qualcomm agreed to give them a deal.
@milohoffman274
@milohoffman274 Ай бұрын
Rumors are that AMD is about to release an entire line of ARM based CPUs tbat will eat Qualcoms lunch.
@YuNherd
@YuNherd Ай бұрын
snapdragon laptops featuring windows "recall"
@makak2366
@makak2366 Ай бұрын
it s about time to end this duopoly of x86 , cpu s based on arm can be made by anyone
@billcarson9565
@billcarson9565 Ай бұрын
Not a chance, not sure what you been smoking but arm will never replace intel and especially AMD on the pc level and certainly not 50% of the market!
@mikael.wilhelm
@mikael.wilhelm Ай бұрын
People said the same thing about Alpha, if you're old enough to remember. "The cheap low-performance X86 will never replace Alpha! Real workstations need real workstation CPU's!" And then X86 evolved faster than Alpha, until it wasn't just cheaper, it was higher performance too. Poof, the market for Alpha was gone. The same is in the process of happening with X86. ARM already secured the phone and tablet market by being cheaper and more power efficient, and now it's performing well enough to go for the laptop market too. In a few years it will replace X86 on desktops as well. It's inevitable. The key insight is that a bigger market means more profit, which leads to more R&D! X86 outcompeted Alpha because the PC market was much bigger than the workstation market. And ARM is in the process of outcompeting X86 because the phone market is much bigger than the PC market.
@tysloo81
@tysloo81 Ай бұрын
laptop market is bigger than pc, they are targeting the laptop market first. PC is for gamer only, now very few people buy desktop, those who buy desktop is more prefer mini pc if for office use, so the market is really small for desktop. I sell IT product in shopping mall, so i know how bad it is. Ratio probably 10:1
@mikael.wilhelm
@mikael.wilhelm Ай бұрын
@@Winnetou17 It wasn't just the Alpha. There were several interesting CPU architectures that targeted the high-end workstation class computers. When I studied computer science, the University was very proud of its Sparc workstations running at 40 MHz. They also had a bunch of X86 computers that were less performant in spite of running at a whopping 66 MHz. It was very much the case the Sparcs were seen as "real" computers, and the X86 boxes were just "cheap toys", good enough for office stuff, but not suitable for REAL computing. Well, a few years later, X86 wasn't just cheaper, it performed better too, and all the "big" CPU architectures went bust. IBM's POWER kept hanging on for a while, but that was just momentum, it made less and less sense. Apple jumped on a version of it called PowerPC and it was a great performer at the time, but then it just fell behind, and in the end Apple had to abandon it for X86, just to stay relevant. X86 defeated all the rest by being cheaper and developing faster. ARM is doing the same thing to X86. The X86 architecture is archaic and it's for the better to get rid of it, even if it's a bit sad too, since it's much more fun to do assembly programming for it. Human's love to wrestle with irrational quirky cruft, it makes them feel smart!
@AD34534
@AD34534 9 күн бұрын
Lol Qualcomm was lying the whole time. I knew it was too good to be true.
@gamingtemplar9893
@gamingtemplar9893 Ай бұрын
I have problems with all these companies, but I will not use copilot or anything from Microsoft that spy on me. I will switch to Linux as it is improving fast and has advantages over Windows. Nvidia is my favorite company after being my least favorite one for 15 years. I prefer them to ARM stuff + MS or the Radeon crap that can't run games or have all kind of problems, no 3D app support and shit AI support. About AI, it will take years before it can do anything useful in the industry and it is slowing down, SD3 is a failure. Some stuff is improving, but will slowdown too. IT is useful for low quality stuff, like images or videos, but it won't get to movies and videogames or even anime, might help at best. There is something in AI that can't make it, AGI would but AGI is a fantasy, is not real and won't ever be based on what intelligence is and what experts like Erik Larson explain.
@The_Penguin_City
@The_Penguin_City Ай бұрын
If Intel critizice something, probably is worthy and a better product that they have.😮
@mrhassell
@mrhassell Ай бұрын
Could.. but won't. Big improvement for mobile though!
@inamulbhuyan
@inamulbhuyan Ай бұрын
Snapdragon X Elite 🚀 🚀 🚀
@El.Duder-ino
@El.Duder-ino Ай бұрын
Doesn't matter who owned this year Computex, but who will be still relevant in the future and rest assured Nvidia will be there and it will do all in its power to maintain its position and even aggressively pursue next level in order to be industry leader. Out of lead, follow or get out of way they want to lead no matter what. And yes, AMD needs to bring something to consumer market as well besides APU with more TOPs as Intel woke up and Qualcomm is on the rise. For us consumers the competition is great and exactly what we need, so BIG to Apple for ditching Intel and moving to their Arm silicon, Qualcomm for ex Nuvia/ex Apple X-Elite and AMD with Nvidia for not standing by and letting Intel to comfortably lead and sit up there with their fabs and generous government subsidies. Very exciting times and I hope Google will wake the F$%k up as well as it has great potential with their Android store to enter PC consumer market, however it's sleeping and loosing to newcomers like Qualcomm and bulky, bloated WIndows which is quite a shame!
@theloniousMac
@theloniousMac Ай бұрын
Everyone always compares to Apple’s 2nd fastest chip. Heh.
@DieFahrscheineBitte
@DieFahrscheineBitte Ай бұрын
I rather switch to Linux then to Win11.
@gamingtemplar9893
@gamingtemplar9893 Ай бұрын
The video is correct in all perspectives, no matter how people want to deny it, the only thing I could add something different is the consumers accepting Microsoft shit in their computers. If ARM can work with Linux, 100%, I would love that, otherwise no. But the video itself is correct and expecting normal human behavior, most people will give up their liberty for some fancy tech shit.
@antmakov
@antmakov Ай бұрын
I heard that arm is going to sue Qualcomm because they use custom arm chips without paying arm royalties on top of the poor performance i dont know how this launch will be successful...
@BearOve
@BearOve Ай бұрын
It seems Microsoft may have destroyed the advantage. By the time the OS is ready, Intel will have chips out. It is a shame, as AI is not the big thing about these machines in my opinion. Rather the fact that they are M series competitors.
@Aranimda
@Aranimda Ай бұрын
I prefer x86 for compatibility.
@Ryzen_3d
@Ryzen_3d Ай бұрын
Great perspective on the Copilot PC, Coreteks! Can't wait to watch your review of the X Elite PC.
@arturbliznik9741
@arturbliznik9741 Ай бұрын
I see you in Russian .... I have an old computer i3 6100... 😂 artificial intelligence has long been built into the Yandex browser..... I don't need the latest processor and I don't need the Windows operating system either ..... I watch both on my android phone and on linux....
@JoTokutora
@JoTokutora Ай бұрын
im stakning to intel or AMD, not interested on spy tech
@Dave20VT
@Dave20VT Ай бұрын
after all this AI stuff is set and done, and you can have everything made without yourself to have do anything, all this stiff will become worthless, and more personal things will again be relevant. Like creating something by the person itself, not AI, and than AI will not be as important anymore
@Capeau
@Capeau Ай бұрын
No they really didnt... its all overhyped and hot air. Early test are disappointing
@mazz85-
@mazz85- Ай бұрын
NEY for A.I. featured chips, fk that shiet. AMD needs to re focus their energy and start making Gaming oriented Operating System with ZERO features and max performance only. That would skyrocket AMD sales loooong time. There is always demand for simple gaming chips, and simple OS.
@orlof507
@orlof507 Ай бұрын
Oh god no automatic translation please, KZfaq forces that shit down our throats and results are jarring. I already get annoyed with auto title translations to Portuguese
@bfish9700
@bfish9700 Ай бұрын
Sorry corereks, qualcomm will never get to 50% without enterprise and I don't see those customers converting to windows on arm.
@666skimes
@666skimes Ай бұрын
you gonna pay npu power bills to be someones slave
@dex4sure361
@dex4sure361 Ай бұрын
Nvidia will wipe the floor with Qualcomm. Yeah Qualcomm will likely win over notebooks and other low power stuff, but the more high end segment of ARM will go to Nvidia cause Qualcomm won't be able to compete against Nvidia on GPU or AI side of things.
@Mr_Martz_Mc
@Mr_Martz_Mc Ай бұрын
50 % lmao not when the games are slow and crash all the time it's like you never emulated games
@timmygilbert4102
@timmygilbert4102 Ай бұрын
Next video: Qualcomm is doomed Comments: such a hater
@ragsdale9
@ragsdale9 Ай бұрын
Ahhh so this is what will force me away from windows. And this is what will turn "PC" games into the Xbox like controllable market Microsoft wants. Kind of sounds like we need to support proton better so we dont all turn into mobile gamers as developers are prodded into mobile design to work on microsofts platform.
@paul1979uk2000
@paul1979uk2000 Ай бұрын
ARM's players entering the PC arena will bring some welcome competition, especially in the cpu and gpu race, but end AMD and Intel? don't make me laugh lol it will just force them to adapt, to become more aggressive on performance/price or both. I know many are angry at the likes of AMD and Nvidia for being greedy in the PC space and want them to suffer, hoping ARM's will enter the arena and stomp them, but the reality is, when faced with more competition, AMD and Intel will become more aggressive on price to its performance. I welcome ARM's players entering the PC arena, and I do want them to be successful to help shake up the PC space when it comes to cpu's and gpu's, which is lacking competition, but realistically, we have to jump off the hype train and get back down to earth on what is possible, if ARM's players really want to compete well in the PC space, they are going to need to have good x86 software compatibility with performance that goes with that, if they can deliver on both fronts, they've got a fighting chance. So assuming they are successful on the compatibility and performance front, ARM's players should target the biggest weakness of AMD, Nvidia and Intel, which is their greed, there are a lot of consumers crying out for more affordable options, especially in the gpu market, a lot more consumers will flock and take a chance on something else if the price is good, and being that ARM's chip are cpu's and gpu's combined a bit like APU's, if the performance is good, there would be fewer reasons to buy a dgpu. For now, there are too many unknowns, how the software compatibility is with x86 performance, what's the performance is like with said software, then there's the pricing, if it's too close to what PC players are already offering, then it's dead in the water, most user won't want to take a chance on something new that might have compatibility or performance issues with many x86 software when there are alternatives already on the market that are fully compatible without the performance issue, to put it another way, for ARM's players to really make a dent in the PC space, they will need good x86 software compatibility, performance with that software and they will likely need to be aggressive on pricing to turn heads, if they do all that, I think they will make inroads and give AMD, Nvidia and Intel something to worry about. Personally, it's too early to see how well ARM's will be in the PC space, but over the next 5 years, I think they could become big players if they play their cards right, but we should remember, having x86 software compatibility and then having the performance to go with it won't be an easy task, on top of that, look at Intel with its ARC gpu drivers, ARM's players will have to contend with the same, so we could be talking years before we are in the situation where ARM's software just works and works well with x86 software. Also, we should also remember that AMD, Nvidia and Intel are not asleep to the threat, AMD are already beefing up it's APU's and Strix Halo looks like a big leap forward, that's likely not by chance but AMD preparing for ARM's entering the PC arena, then we have Intel which it's new fabs will be coming online over the coming years, that will be a big shake up for Intel on the cpu and gpu front and could open up more capacity for chip manufacturing, then we have Nvidia, if ARM's players make a success in the PC space, that would open up the door for Nvidia doing the same without needing an x86 licence, in other words, Nvidia could enter the PC cpu market through the backdoor, which could be more of a threat to x86 then it is to AMD or Intel, being as both will be fine using ARM's or x86. Ultimately, the real winners in all this could be the consumers, we could finally start to see some real competition in core PC space of cpu's and gpu's, which has been lacking for so long with mostly two players competing in each area, and I find it ironic that it could be an outsider to the open PC space that shakes things up, which really shows how badly AMD, Nvidia and Intel are treating the PC market, which isn't a surprise when for most of the time, it's a dunopoly with AMD and Nvidia on gpu's, and AMD and Intel with cpu's, with Intel entering the gpu market recently but not enough to shake things up. So I'm excited for the future competition, but I'm not holding my breath for the near term future, because not much will change.
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