1:44 - M3 8 Core faster than M3 PRO 12 Core, how?

you need to make a video, about installing Windows 11 on a Macbook pro, via Parallels, and how would that work, as Apple chips are still the best and many Windows users would love to be able to use Macbook pro, Mac chip, but we need Windows OS for our work

They did. That's why Parallels and VMWare fusion running Windows for ARM work as well as they do.

You're asking for performance for a company who has coasted for decades now

Why the almost year old 7945x3d beats it in every metric and we are what 6 months from a 30% bump from the next gen

Windows ARM is not even remotely as polished or as performant as ARM macOS was 3 years ago@@SinistralEpoch

Have you used it? Most of the comments I read about Windows ARM is from people who have never used it. I have used it for over three years. Win11 versions are perfectly fine. My only problem is drivers for old or obscure USB devices. No problems running almost anything I throw at it as long as hardware drivers available. What is most surprising about Windows ARM is just how boring and similar it is to the Intel version.

bro me to man watching every video about it

who has time to watch 30 videos about this, a job and a life doesnt give time to do that

how so ? it only shows qcoms own test, nothing 3rd party. That means it's not really that relevant. Wait for 3rd party reviews, which is kinda guaranteed to show much lower performance

@@betag24cn I do. guys with automated business and clever resource management only stressed couple hours a day and the rest is free time.

Mac OS was more efficient than Windows on the same machine (back when Macs ran Intel CPUs). And Windows is more efficient then Linux on the same machine. Don't get your hopes up. ISA doesn't matter.

Yeah buddy you go ahead I want a laptop for work and causal use which can last.

Linux on arm has been a thing for years, and with many open source software compiled for it

​@SirMo Bro says Windows and MacOS is more efficient than Linux 😂😂😂. Dear Apple user, you people dont even know what tech is. You people have been in Apple jail (also known as apple ecosystem) for years. How can monkey know the taste of garlic? Come out of the apple jail and see which is more efficient. Linux runs on old mac or old windows laptop better that mac or windows. Linux is most resource efficient and thats why its used everywhere. Server, smartphone (android has custom version of linux), PC, embedded systems, supercomputers, HPC, and everywhere you can imagine in tech.

@@imop285I'm not a Mac user. I'm a PC Linux user. I'm saying MacOS has the efficiency advantage. People have tested this. Because you could bootcamp install Windows on a Mac. And without a doubt your power efficiency would drop dramatically if you were running Windows on your Intel Mac. I actually run Linux on x86. And Windows generally has better or similar efficiency on the same machine. So I think people way overestimate the efficiency they are going to get from ARM on PC. AMD CPUs are quite efficient already, and I doubt you will see much of an improvement with ARM. Too many people look at M1-3 Macs and think they are efficient because of the CPU. But this isn't the case. They are efficient because of a great software-hardware integration that's hard to match by the diverse PC ecosystem.

It's a bit of a chicken egg problem alright. You are right, initially anyway.

Yeah, even though Windows for ARM existed far before Apple M-series macs, the lack of dev and app support on Windows ARM makes Apple easily beat it in terms of compatibility in just a year. They need to seriously attract all devs to port all apps to ARM version in order to catching up against Apple

Same issue MacOS had. As long as these chips do everything people need well expect them to sell more and ARM software will become more common. Your average stuff your normal user needs are already ARM on Windows

​Well, MacOs is now ARM only, if your software is not built for ARM ISA your customers will complain and you can deprecate the x86 version, there also the chance of apple deprecating Rosetta 2 and breaking compatibility with x86 ISA, so it's another incentive to build for ARM. Windows won't abandon x86 so if you want to support ARM you now need to support both ARM and x86. People have been saying the same about "average normal users" can use Linux just like you said they can use ARM, and after years saying that, they have finally reached 4% world use, great, I guess. Oh and God forbid those "average normal users" need to run something different once in a while and it does not work because they are on arm, I'm sure they will be happy because of that...

Even if windows makes an arm build today, most of windows programs arent gonna work in arm. Most Windows programs still require x86.

they all got "plans", fact is, intel is behind TSMC and Samsuing in foundry business. Intel is behind AMD in making x86 designs.

Agreed. Even if the x86 emulation is "good enough" for the most popular windows apps, Microsoft is sure to "gently persuade" the average user to get their ARM apps from the Microsoft Store.

It's a vicious cycle that Qualcomm broke. The cycle goes thus: poor arm processors performance leads to no interest from customers leads to no incentive for developers maybe not in that order but you get the gist, now that snapdragon has something as good as M3 in performance per watt, it's going to break the cycle

It’s still a bit of a chicken and egg situation with hardware and software. But this is a good step in the right direction. MS will have to catch up with x86 emulation.

All web browsers are ported, and so are all Microsoft programs. Adobe has native ports, but Autodesk lacks them. It'll take a bit. That said: Linux will work on day 1 (there's UEFI support), so in my case I'll be fine lol

They bring out one chip like this and "THE END FOR INTEL AND AMD" lol, they aren't just going to go away overnight

same

Given Asahi Linux took so much time to get in a usable state because Apple didn't lift any fingers to help and given many ARM apps aren't on Linux and many FOSS apps on Linux are unmaintained on macOS because of a lack of developers, I doubt Linux users are focusing on ARM when RISC-V is royalty-free.

@@cameronbosch1213Linux has better ARM support and longer ARM support than all the other platforms that exist.

@@gg-gn3re Maybe mainline, but it's still pretty bad. And if you're trying to run Linux on an Apple Silicon Mac, until very recently, basic things like the speakers and Thunderbolt ports just did not work. Now it's usable but there still aren't many apps for anything outside of x86-64. I honestly think ARM is trash anyway.

​@@cameronbosch1213 Asahi in trying to adapt and reverse engineer drivers and software for very closed architecture. It is most likely not the same here.

Oh wow just saw it. Thank you

Best of both worlds everyone's happy but again we can only wish now if this is implemented correctly and we have a good operating system like Windows 10 but if all the weird stuff from Windows 11 then I think we have a winner

They won't. Many propietary apps don't work so they'll need emulation or translation. And for Linux, RISC-V seems to be a better fit given it's royalty-free and has Google backing it.

windows on arm is perfectly fine, has been for well over a decade. It runs just fine and it's whatever. People just don't target the hardware and it's got a compat layer as bad as rosetta 2.

8 gb VRAM requirement basically cuts out most laptops on the market. ARM should hopefully solve this

how are you able to do resolve work on a 8gb macbook?? I had a 2000 dollar m3 pro mbp with 18gb of ram which I had to send back cause it couldn't handle my video editing needs. Totally ram starved. I liked the laptop but I'd need a $5000 dollar spec really to be comfortable I think and that's an insane amount of money on a laptop.

@@definingslawek4731 I've only used an M2 Air with 16GB of ram. It renders projects that crash on my laptop (32GB ram, 3050 with 4GB of VRAM) without issue. I can get them to render on my Windows machine in h265 and using the CPU instead of the GPU sometimes... but once that VRAM fills up it's a crapshoot if it's going to fail or not. The M2 Air on the other hand gets the job done every single time... slowly however.

Agreed. I'm glad we are working on AI, and it will be helpful in the future, but right now no one should be buying a laptop based on it

Snapdragon X Elite's NPU is so powerful it can run LLMs offline and on-device.

Thanks. Re Samsung I was suck for a week. We are finally back up and rolling content. Samsung will definitely be appearing in many videos late April and May

@@JustJoshTech ahh, no problem, :) get well soon!

Thank you

Why do people like voicing out their opinions? Especially when no one had asked😢

​@@flagger1Yes, why did you comment?

Chrome is now native too

@@_Digitalguy ew

Don't preorder anything, there is no point in giving big molochs money before they actually deliver the product

That's a problem with Mac even during Mac-Intel era.

Nope, even Apple has different CPU and GPU power usage, and as they shipping the M2 Max with 96W charger, but the CPU is limited to use 60W and the GPU has a 30W limit, you can figure out the whole system has the max 96W power comsuption limit, so the charger can maintain it forever..

Intel and AMD may be forced to kill x86 by themselves one day, because there are limits of that architectue and there are very ancient and obsolete elements of that architecture which make it less efficient. And when you are talking about GPUs, today GPU design and trend of evolution is not sustainable, they just make it bigger, you can't do that forever, it's obvious that we need some revolution. I would say that today GPUs are superior, but software is very badly optimised and that hunger for performance forces nvidia and AMD make those crazy 5kg and 50cm long GPUs because they just don't know how to increase the performance in other way. Similar trend with CPUs, you need bigger and bigger coolers, 90°C is already standard, it's crazy, this trend has to stop and if it's not possible without killing x86, then they should do it, sometimes you just need to do something even when you know it's gonna hurt a lot.

X86 is NOT absolute, it's evolving just as arm. It was stagnant due to Intel's carelessness, but now it's in full force and "will regin".

​@@PidalinHeck, there was several reasons RISC hasn't taken off in desktop computing outside of Macs. Heck, many RISC platforms, like SPARC, PA-RISC, MIPS, and others aren't even developed anymore; it's bascially just ARM and RISC-V. And honestly, the latter is much more likely to be anything good, given ARM is still controlled and we've seen Qualcomm and ARM Holdings sue each other.

​@@Pidalinx86 and CISC may not be dead for a LONG time.

They're not APU's since the consoles PS5 and Xbox Series X have a seperate on-die graphics chip. APU's it's CPU and GPU in one single chip.

I absolutely will, but it isn't available yet. I tried to buy it myself and have Lenovo send it directly. No one has it. please note our schedule for April is now pretty full. So it will likley be in May

Something whst you are missing is that, this can't be the TDP, this is just the power consumption by the CPU.. imagine how many power left for the CPU when the Macbook Air only use 8W on the total system for a benchmark... 😂

the Internal combustion engine still prevails in cars, because oil is money and which developments for alternatives are hampered

Performance per Watt literally tells you that though?

There’s many different Elite SKUs. Maybe that’s why.

Not at all. Expect similar run time to many other ARM based laptops

And dodge comparing it to amd in the 23w test then add a low power 45w amd chip vs 80w for snapdragon all the flags . Also the 45w 7945x3d did 16300 multi core and 2820 single core So faster than snapdragon x and using almost half the power

Well you guess the battery life based on Cinebench results, the basic M3 performance is beated by a tiny margin.. but M3 used 19W peak and 8W sustained, meanwhile X Elite used 23W peak and 23W sustained.. so basically 1,5x-3x more power hungry like the basic M3, so the same sized battery drained 1,5x-3x faster too..

Why and how so? And i think Asus is more capable in that aspect than Xiaomi.

That isn't what was explained to us in the room. But if it is, you can probably just take away 1 to 2 watts and re-calculate the efficiency. Under loads like Cinebench most of the 23 watts is going to the TDP. It won't change the story materially

Oh and thank you for the comment, I will check into it

@@JustJoshTech Thank you for your reply. I think getting single digit gain with almost 300 percent increase in power consumption is neither efficient nor logical. Even the worst x86 processors perform better in this regard. Qualcomm has not announced the official numbers for the TDP.

23W and 80W is the device TDP. It's not what the chip I'd actually consuming.

There are already workstations with Ampere Altra ARM CPUs and Nvidia and/or AMD GPUs, so yes. Nvidia has drivers for Linux but not for Windows. AMD drivers for Linux are in the kernel, so those should work out of the box too.

We are trying! Alot of growth ahead

Don't buy Intel Ultra.

This is not equaly thr same, Apple completly stopped to support x86, literaly if you want to remain on Mac, you must refresh your app to ARM, but Windows just spit into 2 half, and if the x86 parts remain way bigger (more desktop users like laptop users), still the x86 will the main focus for devs (i mean nobody target the 5% of the store, and ignore 95% of the avaliable profit..)

It just needed for marketing, now they can say: It can beat M3 in efficicncy. It can beat M3 in performance. (Not in the same graphs, not in the same sentence, but individually both can be prooved, so good for marketing, nothing else..)

arm is only locked for people doing the soc chips, the user couldnt care less, including the closed source gpu drivers risc is ideal to make smart tvs and that kind of stuff, other than that, no cost or platform benefit, all you get is growing pains and people not caring

I'd be surprised if these devices aren't super locked down to only run Windows. TB? They'd need to license that from Intel, so probably just USB4. Translation layer - yes, unless something is compiled for ARM, Windows will translate it.

They could, but they are still earning a lot of revenue due to being the only companies that can sell x86 CPUs. When x86 really falls by the wayside, they'll have something lined up to complement or replace their x86 CPUs. Intel wants to become the second-largest foundry after TSMC, so maybe they'll pivot to that over time.