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I try out 4 seemingly forgotten joints from " Carpentry & Joinery"
" edited by Paul N Hasluck" Circa 1907.
thanks to "Luis Luis" this book can be found here for free! archive.org/de...

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@MichaelOlsen-Engineer 7 жыл бұрын

The forked joint is for timber framing. It traditionally is supported by an upright post or housed within a bridle joint. The secret lapped dovetail (aka a blind dovetail) was common for box and cabinet carpentry. Dovetails were originally considered unsightly so blind dove tails were, and still are, use for fine woodworking were the goal is to have boards at right angles pull on each other (e.g., a drawer face pulls upon the sides of the drawer). Dovetails. are the joint of choice whenever the force is applied in this longitudinal manner (i.e., bottoms and tops should be dovtailed while the sides are best boxed finger jointed). It is important to remember that in traditional fine woodworking, the goal was the appearance of smooth and seamless transitions. To achieve this, joints had to be strong and perfectly matched with as few lines crossing the grain as possible. Thus most joinery was designed to be hidden on the finer works. Showning joinery became acceptable for fine works only in the late 1950s, and even then was generally religated to minor pionts such as attaching drawer fronts with half blind dovetails. it was not until the mid 1990s that "exposed" joinery was viewed as decorative and considered a sign of craftsmanship.

@denisbeauchesne233 5 жыл бұрын

So interesting. I am only recently starting to learn about timber framing and am happening across these tutorials that include cabinetmaking - I assumed the purpose of the blind dovetail joint was exactly as you said above. I know a lot more about boat building, and there are so many parallels - when wide boards were available, certain boatbuilders (Chris Craft for example) would fasten them together to make a deck but score the board so it would accept a puttied seam, make the same seam every two inches across the deck and accentuate the seam with white caulking, made it look like there was a bunch of 2" strips fastened together instead of a few 8" boards. I guess that was to make it look like a lot of work went into the thing, who knows, but it is a great look. Other places the joints are hidden as much as possible. Riva used to use one giant mahogany plank for the sides of their Rolls Royce quality boats, but the planks couldn't possibly twist enough to make a boat with one plank per side, so they would rip the plank into many boards and painstakingly put them back together exactly as they came out of the original plank but with individual twist, changing bevels etc, put them together so tightly that no seams were visible and it looked like one plank again... hiding all that work they did. Somehow to me it seems like the concept of wearing a tie over a dress shirt, hides all the fastenings... Nowadays it seems like all fastenings whether they be on kitchen cabinet hinges or toilet paper holders must be hidden. I miss the days of the really nice oval head screws or flat head screws holding hinges and things together. If I have to get down on my hands and knees again to install a toilet paper holder with an Allen key from the bottom it will be too soon.

@tkarlmann 4 жыл бұрын

Greene & Greene was an exception?

@katnip6289 4 жыл бұрын

I totally agree with you and I can't understand why he cries these skilled methods as impractical.

@CastilloDelDiablo 5 жыл бұрын

After my dad died I was left his joinery books so not having anyone to leave them too I contacted the National Library of Scotland and donated all the books to them as they unusually didn't have copies of some of them. One of them was, Cassell’s Carpentry and Joinery by Paul N. Hasluck printed by Cassell and Company Ltd, London, circa 1907 and these books have some wonderful examples of techniques, hints and tips. They also have a number of subjects which are rather strange. One of the books I had detailed brick types and how to use them, another had knots and lashings for the erection of wooden scaffolding. Another had site layout and levelling techniques. This is why, when visiting construction sites the manager would have a background in joinery, as they were taught all the things a site manager would have to know, now it is graduates who know nothing.

@Rich32262 2 жыл бұрын

I'm sure your dad would be thrilled about the books being donated. I have some chairs from the 1850's given to me by my aunt. I'll probably donate them to a historical home or similar one day.

@rneustel388 6 жыл бұрын

My Grandpa was a master carpenter and was born in 1898. He probably used a lot of what's in that book. I remember him having a table saw, but everything else was done by hand. He made furniture, cabinets, trim, etc.

@boblevey 6 жыл бұрын

Really great video, very informative.. After 45 yrs of woodfinishing and decorative painting serving the rich and famous in the states from Mrs Ira Gershwin (the George Gershwin piano) Bruce and Patty Springsteen, Lord Gordon White and on and on I finally decided to learn to make my own wood projects.. I whole new world has opened for me and much respect has been learned for your trade, lol but I did make many of you preferred by high end clients along with make many of your trade very wealthy.. Best to you and I did order the booked you spoke about... Thank you B.L.

@tjerkheringa937 Жыл бұрын

Great book yes. I have it too as a source of inspiration. What impresses me is that you don't do anything yourself. You managed to convince a machine to cut these joints for you. Way to go!

@prasadspin Жыл бұрын

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@mjones2431 8 жыл бұрын

All those old, obscure methods are what make me so valuable to my employer. I can do just about anything in a machine shop.

@gregdrivesajetta 5 жыл бұрын

You need to drill holes at the base of your wedge cuts in the tenon to prevent the wood from splitting. Also, forgoing the center cut will allow the tenon to flare more.

@Rich32262 2 жыл бұрын

I'm guessing the flared cut in the center was to let the tenon compress in towards the middle so it will fit in the mortise then spread back out once inside. With that said, glue would be imperative.

@barryroberts2474 5 жыл бұрын

I started at age 15 in a joinery workshop in England. Most of these joints were relegated to projects at Tech School simply to get our hand skills up to scratch. I admire your keenness to attempt these. I worked at one time during my apprenticeship with an older cabinet maker. He was a true furniture worker and he showed me how to go about hand dovetails from marking out to finish. His speed and hand agility was something to be marvelled at. We never used hand dovetails in any job then. I have used single dovetails in the distant past! Modern glues even from my early days in the 1960s (I started in 1964). we used superior glues, although machine mortice and tennon were used with ordinary wedges. I made many doors with wedged mortices which today would be too expensive to make. I wish you well with the exploration of this book, sharing what you find. Have a look at doing a gunstock tennon. A Mortice and tennon joint where two different stile thicknesses are used. I used to enjoy these immensely.

@timbourque5095 4 жыл бұрын

I've came across a joint or two I've never seen in any book , but was hoping that you were going to give us something we have never seen , but it's all been done before you can bet on that ! Much respect for old guy's that did it right , and for you power tools guy's I bet they could have scared you with a hand tool people don't realize how effective you can be with the right tool that doesn't have a plug or a battery ..

@frickerdavid9772 7 жыл бұрын

to avoid the splitting of the wood as the shim is driven into the mortiss, drill small holes in the channel next to the shoulder of the tenon. This removes the stresses built up as the wedge slides into the grove. This technique is used in many places: welding, ceramics etc. good show.

@christophercharles9645 2 жыл бұрын

Forging the path and highlighting the problems so we all don't have to...thank you, sir! Some of these joints are more novel than practical, but they're still cool. Imagine making them in an age with no power tools. That first joint would be nice as a way to highlight two contrasting woods - more for show than practicality, but it certainly looks strong enough. Thanks again!

@sween187 8 жыл бұрын

If you drill a hole at the bottom of the cut where the wedges go, ti will help prevent the wood from splitting

@dhebert111 7 жыл бұрын

I looked in the comment section to see if anyone picked up on that, you're right, that is the better way to do it. That split in the wood that was starting is a great example of why you need those holes. Good eye.

@Schnittwin 7 жыл бұрын

where does it split? I didnt see it

@schechter01 6 жыл бұрын

That was my thought, also. It's a surprise that Kingpost apparently was unaware of it. Fun fact: In Japanese carpentry, the name for that joint translates as "hell tenon". Guess that's because once you've hammered it together, if you didn't cut it correctly then it's hell to get the thing apart.

@travisjicorcoran5870 6 жыл бұрын

Schnittwin 11:45

@rynor7132 6 жыл бұрын

can you explain, i dont follow you

@JohnnyYorkBand 5 жыл бұрын

Great video, I was unfamiliar with this book. I will definitely be picking up a copy. I am a traditionalist woodworker myself, so I lean more on using classic joinery. I notice a lot of woodworkers today trying to hurry through to make joints. The thing I always stress when I am doing shows is that quicker is not always better. Though using table saws and routers is today's standard for most, when a woodworker drops back and uses time tested tools and techniques, quality of joints increases.

@charliecampbell9212 7 жыл бұрын

Thank You so much for sharing this video. I have been a carpenter for 50 years as a boy in rural Ireland we use the fox joint a lot because it was hard to get good glue we use to boil down sheep's feet for glue but it was not that strong

@rickharriss 8 жыл бұрын

Although I am a lot older than you I was taught many of these techniques when I did woodwork at school (in the UK). The wedged mortise would have been cut with a slight slope on the narrow sides to force the tenon into a dovetail shape. As my exam project at 15 I made a bookcase that had the top and bottom attached with secret mitered dovetails - Lots of loving hand work.

@KingPostTimberWorks 8 жыл бұрын

oh that's cool , yip did have sloped mortise sides, just the wedge thickness got me thinking really. cheers

@rickharriss 8 жыл бұрын

KingPost TimberWorks Skills!

@menormeh 7 жыл бұрын

Years ago Sears used to sell a jig setup for doing dovetail joints in a number of different sizes using a router and it would do blind dovetails easily. As I recall there several different alignment sets that held your lumber in place while you used the router with a dovetail cutter. These alignment plates looked like hair combs and the router bit went under the comb teeth while the bit shank was captured in the teeth. The distance centre to centre of the teeth varied dependent on the size of the dovetail bit you were using. The two halves of the matched combs held were mounted in a device that held your lumber at 90 degrees and the comb groove or tooth ends projected out beyond your work pieces. You just sat the router on top of the combs and ran the bit up into the work slick as could be. I wish I had had the money ate the time to buy one as it appears they are no longer being made.

@wcweaverjr 7 жыл бұрын

Very good video. Thanks for bringing this book and all of it's knowledge to the rest of us in the woodworking community who were unaware of it. I clicked the link and bookmarked it so I can refer to it in the future.

@KingPostTimberWorks 7 жыл бұрын

William Weaver glad to help

@peterhayes3681 7 жыл бұрын

William Weaver

@catey62 6 жыл бұрын

Not sure if your'e Aussie or Kiwi but love this...I enjoy trying my hand at doing woodwork after losing interest in it for a long time due to personal circumstances over the last 10 years or so. my ancestor was known in his native Wendish tongue as a 'tischler'...that is, builder, carpenter and cabinet maker before he and his family migrated from Lusatia to Australia in the 1850's, and various members of my family still have in their possession items of furniture he made when he arrived in South Australia. working with our hands is something that still runs very strongly in my family to this day and I hope to keep that tradition alive and learn as much as I can to do with working with timber.

@whitehoose 5 жыл бұрын

As I understand it the secret dovetail would either be lapped or mitered and used on top of the shop furniture which was often veneered or inlaid so needed to be thin yet very stable to stop it lifting. They used striking knives for marking (essentially a scalpel or miniature knife), mirror face 40 deg point single grind edge made from the best steel available. A good one is like a fine pen that would cut a plank in half.

@a6cjn 8 жыл бұрын

Well done for trying these 'forgotten joints' - They were designed and used when there no power tools and only animal hide glue available and the quality/strength of that adhesive differed from batch to batch.A secret mitered dovetail box was always the final test in my day

@maxximumb 4 жыл бұрын

I use that first joint on occasion. My granddad taught it to me. Take the thinnest hand saw and cut a cross straight down your markup lines. Then cut and chisel the opposing diagonals like you did. The kerf of the hand saw makes for a slightly looser fit, but that's taken up with the glue. A slight variation on this if the wood you are joining is going to be in tension. It's more chisel work, but cut the opposing sides to make dovetails, a bit like the Impossible Dovetail puzzle. With your wedged tenon, your mortice isn't tight enough. That's why you can wiggle the the joint part way open.

@thecornishmaker5285 8 жыл бұрын

When Ive made a foxtailed mortise and tenon before, I found that its best to drill a holes at the end of the slits so that the wedge can curl up and there is less chance of the wood splitting.

@kennethkustren9381 4 жыл бұрын

My EMPLOYER OF THE YEAR award goes to a Mentor whom taught me ... a simple ballpoint pen is the perfect woodworking tool.

@fev3rd 8 жыл бұрын

the third joint I saw first in Japanese sasano design. it was used to wrap grain direction. whether a draw or outside of cabinet the grain will follow through.

@adammilligan5047 7 жыл бұрын

A fox wedge is a virtually indestructible joint when it is constructed correctly!! And it has a variety of really useful applications!! Top tip from me: Drill a small hole at the bottom of the kerfs to prevent splitting!!

@738polarbear 7 жыл бұрын

Great informative video thank you.To be of value a thing in and of itself does not have to be practical..These old techniques existed for a reason beyond our modern knowledge and should not be forgotten .

@JamesdH2415 7 жыл бұрын

That "foxtail" joint is a very old Japanese joint called jigoku-kusabe. I've used it in making furniture. The wedges in the tenon are each exactly the thickness of the distance that the mortise is flared out at the bottom. For example, I flare out my mortise by 5/32" per end, then make the wedges 5/32 thick. I also drill a 3/32" hole at the top of the cut in the tenon, this will prevent splitting. There is no relief cut in the centre of the tenon. I used very little glue on the cheeks of the tenon and assemble the joint as quickly as possible. The joint can be found in a book by Kiyosi Seike, called "The Art of Japanese Joinery." Enjoy!

@690Lighthouse 8 жыл бұрын

I used the hidden dovetail for a step one time, I did not have any book so just figured it out, I wanted a perfect corner with a solid joint, it worked well and no end grain showed in fact the step is still in use today some twenty years later.

@MargatePete6137 8 жыл бұрын

I have used the A foxtail wedged tenon joint many years ago, it was used in door construction, it was a method used when you didn't want the mortise to right through the door stile. Regards Peter.

@CaptCadillac 7 жыл бұрын

Wow! Those are so thoughtful and ingenious joints. I'm going to have to find and buy that book! Shows true craftsmanship our predecessors used when they built furniture and other items.

@outcast1871 8 жыл бұрын

Good to watch different styles of attachments, there are other things than a nail. Thanks for the education.

@KingPostTimberWorks 8 жыл бұрын

thanks for watching !!

@harrykourm2462 6 жыл бұрын

I have used a half lap as a joint for an old fence post with a top for an outdoor light. Finding a new post would of been a long wait so we jointed the old top half to a new bottom pressure treated half so it wouldn't rot again. A little bit of bondo and sanding the lady never knew.

@madsthysterup-hansen9340 8 жыл бұрын

The hidden dovetail joint is one of the joints we are taught during our education here in denmark and it would be used here like to joint different kinds of woods... so u would have some pine pieces for the sides of a drawer and then maybe some mahogany for the front panel just for it to look neat. Else great video :D

@WillN2Go1 5 жыл бұрын

Great video. I think everyone anywhere near sawdust should do some of the 'old' joints, they're very satisfying and whatever you make lasts forever. re:The blind wedges: The splitting. I've split something. If you drill a hole at the bottom of the wedge cuts that should stop the split from traveling. I think one of the tricks is to measure the wedges so that when everything is hammered together you've matched the exact shape of your mortise--plus a hair. Your wedges perhaps should be of a slightly more compressible wood-- but I'm sure this is either written down in the book, or it's wrong. For the record: Almost every time I attempted a joint like this (never tried it blind) something splits. When it's worked, it's usually after a few attempts, head scratching, trying it again. In the end when I got it to work, I could do several that worked, but I never knew what was actually different. And it was usually at least many months or a year before I tried it again so of course it was like I'd never done it. I think it's just something you follow all the instructions, do it wrong over and over again, then do it right. Now, if you then stick to doing the joint on a regular basis, you'll just have that mysterious bit hammered into your brain. Think about teaching a rookie how to handsaw a perpendicular cut along a line. You can show them all the tricks and they will still repeatedly do it wrong, until they do it right.

@2000willsome 5 жыл бұрын

Foxtail wedge tenons are great for when you don't want to wait for glue to dry. They are functionally the same as a wedged through tenon, but through tenons are the first place an external door will rot out, which is why blind tenons are better. With wedged tenons it's important to drill relief holes at the end of the saw kerfs in the tenon to prevent the wedges from splitting the timber past the shoulder of the tenon.

@davetimmerman8567 6 жыл бұрын

Thanks King Post ! That double fork is just the joint I need, I'm building a pool cue without a lathe and needed a good joint to end to end different kinds of woods. Its a one piece cue with no screw joint in the middle and I think this will be a great look, something unique after being planed on a taper............Dave.

@danhabes3619 8 жыл бұрын

Wow, that one where the wedges are driven as you hammer in the mortise is freaking awesome! I imagine if that was done precisely it would be as tight as any glued joint without the glue! Thanks for the fun video.

@martinpoulsen6564 5 жыл бұрын

You seem to wonder where that last joint - the lapped dovetail joint - fits in. I haven't read all 600+ comments, so chances are you have already gotten an answer to this, but here goes anyway, in case you missed it: You use the joint for single front drawers in old shool joinery with full width drawer boxes. particularly suited for gapped flush installation in faceframe furniture. This way you maximize use of the available space, since the sides are as far apart from each other as possible, and there is also only a single front, which also means reduction in material (weight/cost). As far as why to use it, it tells you that dovetails were not invented for looks, but strength, so if you want the clean looknit provides, while still maintaining maximum strength, this is the way to go. As far as the miter goes, it should most likely be placed where the drawerbottom is dadoed in, as it is much easier than a full dovetail, and of no consequence to the strength, since most of it will disappear anyway. Perfect for tool boxes, grocer's counters and so forth, with a lot of drawers in limited space.

@sheslop888 6 жыл бұрын

I have an almost identical book story. My father-in-law was the best carpenter I've ever known by a large margin. Back in Germany, shortly after the war, on his 14th birthday, his Dad took him for a walk down the street to find a place that would take him on as an apprentice. He was taken on by a cabinet shop, and started the next day. I guess that was about 70 years ago, and he still plays around in his shop today. Anyway, he gave me a book: "Modern Practical Joinery," by George Ellis. Published in London in 1902. I'm just reading now that, "George Ellis, author of "Modern Practical Carpentry". Vice-President of the British Institute of Certified Carpenters, Lecturer on Carpentry and Joinery and Hand-Railing at the London County Council School of Building." It's a book I've been picking through for 30 years. I'll have to keep an eye out for his "Modern Practical Carpentry."

@76irodriguez 7 жыл бұрын

2:25 That type of joint is mainly used for carpentry, but you can use that type of joint on the legs of chairs/tables if you are using contrasting types of wood, for example, maple and walnut. It will be interesting to see.

@georgefarmer3696 7 жыл бұрын

Applying wedges to tenon joints is something I've been using for many years. however not on the original joint but on loose M & T joints in furniture, mainly chairs. Learned it from my uncle who was a cabinet make. He did his apprenticeship just after WW1.

@Rood67 5 жыл бұрын

The wedge tenon is how my old kitchen chairs were put together. It is a wonderful furniture joint.

@johnbyrne8037 8 жыл бұрын

i have had this book for well over twenty years and I am not a joiner but it has still been useful, especially the section on arch centreing. Well done for doing the video.

@dumbo800 7 жыл бұрын

That splitting joint was successful on my grandparents' dining table. Never disassembled it to examine if there was any relief drilled at the seat of the wedges, though.

@LTS1287 8 жыл бұрын

This video just went in my favorites. I've been thinking about taking up carpentry as a hobby. I'm really interested in making things with my hands.

@carlosleadman9156 8 жыл бұрын

Clever structural joints such as self locking scarf repairs without bolts or glue are common place in the heritage carpenters trade . I must have been very lucky as an apprentice 35+ years ago as i have been using many of these joints shown for years in churchs ,stately homes and alike The crafts men who taught me where in their 60,s and 70s back then and their always wore flat caps ,tie and dungaree to work ,sad now to see how the trade just use on every thing a paslode gun and expanding foam

@KingPostTimberWorks 8 жыл бұрын

HI , sounds like your describing my grandfather! yes you are right its sad to see the state of carpenters skills sometimes these days. I would like to think I will pass on at least some of this knowledge.

@VonFowler-fw3yh 6 жыл бұрын

CARLOS LEADMAN Kipp

@johndrennanjr594 5 жыл бұрын

Great video ..interesting joints and love the fact that you are keeping the book at the forefront of new woodworkers

@tonyja661 8 жыл бұрын

the foxtail join is used by Frank Klaus constructing his workbench. joining the legs to the top and bottom rails.

@dustymiller8752 5 жыл бұрын

I was thinking that it would work great for table bracing myself

@michaelpage7691 6 жыл бұрын

Nice watching you attempting these joints of which I haven't seen before other than in Japanese joinery. Just watching your sped up techniques is really good. 👍🏻🇦🇺

@joeseabert8391 5 жыл бұрын

In Pasadena California there is a home called the Gamble house. Architects were Greene and Greene. It’s a wood timber home built over 100 years ago. The jointery is pretty cool, if you get to the area it’s a must see. They give tours

@mcremona 8 жыл бұрын

I like that first one you showed. Haven't seen that before. Thanks!

@KingPostTimberWorks 8 жыл бұрын

+Matthew Cremona Thanks for checking it out Matt, yea sure is a fun join.

@muhammadfarooqi 3 жыл бұрын

But I think.. if minor mis-sized and you push hard.. it will break the wood apart... @kingPost is right.. this is a fun join only..

@brianmorris8045 8 жыл бұрын

My god, you have the same book I have...my Dad passed away 3 years ago and that book was in one of his drawers (with camphor blocks nearby to stop the bugs eating it). The book is in remarkably good condition. And some of those tools, ancient by todays standards, I used in woodwork class in high school... don't let go of that book lad...it could be worth a lot in knowledge alone.

@KingPostTimberWorks 8 жыл бұрын

cheers , yip this will go to my boy.

@Beschaulichkeit 8 жыл бұрын

That joint for square stock will save me much headache on my current project. Thank you for sharing!

@KingPostTimberWorks 8 жыл бұрын

oh cool , glad some one will get some use from this.

@andrewballantine 8 жыл бұрын

Hi, Good video. I use the blind wedged mortise and tenon when building oak field gates. Green oak does not take glue very well and a blind mortise is better as it does not expose the end of the tenon to the weather. The wedges need to be the same shape as the widened part of the tenon. To test the joint cut it open on a bandsaw or table saw to see how well the wings of the tenon have filled the mortise. To get a consistent widening of the mortises I tilt my portable chisel mortiser with a GBP pound coin. When making a field gate one has to fit one end of the gate, the upright, with 5 of these joints simultaneously which can be a bit stressful if the joints get tight before they are fully home. Cheers.

@VintageWoodWorkshop 8 жыл бұрын

awesome...very interesting...thanks!

@KingPostTimberWorks 8 жыл бұрын

Oh cool ,, that's interesting , a good use for this indeed. and the coin trick is awesome. cheers

@nevillestyles 8 жыл бұрын

Great video, I love the third joint. I can imagine carpenters back in medieval times using something like that when glue wasn't available and nails cumbersome and scarce. Thanks for sharing

@DaDunge 4 жыл бұрын

Glue has always been available. In old times glue was made from different animal sources, in my part of the world usually from fishwaste. I know my parents did something in fishglue a few years back, they'e historians and get a bit crazy with the details sometimes. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Animal_glue

@Takos_360 8 жыл бұрын

Most of these i saw on a video for old japanese wood joinery, which alot of it was specifically about how to make the "tools" for traditional tea ceremonies.

@Professorvapes 7 жыл бұрын

enjoyable video I still use many of the old joints and I was lucky enough to be taught these methods in my early years and still do them the traditional way without electric tools.

@tyvole2387 8 жыл бұрын

Thanks for this. The angled dowel joint was particularly interesting to me, and not too tricky for a beginner woodworker, if the rebate is cut first and the angle later.

@KingPostTimberWorks 8 жыл бұрын

glad to be of some help

@SkyKing101010 8 жыл бұрын

Hi and thank you. I love things like this. Obviously, some of these are simply for aesthetics where as others are more practical. Personally, I think it's good to know how to do some of these things without power tools just in case we end up in some kind of "bug out" situation (that is a situation where you need to build something but, for whatever reason, you just can't use power tools). Just a thought on the old knowledge is not just. obsolete. Thanks again. Good stuff.

@KingPostTimberWorks 8 жыл бұрын

cheers

@MazdaChef 8 жыл бұрын

hi - the blind foxtail tenons were used to fix chair legs to the seat - they were also used in the construction of doors to join the ledges to the frames.

@SnootchieBootchies27 6 жыл бұрын

I absolutely love watching the high speed chiseling with the sound. I don't even know why

@jasonroets9906 8 жыл бұрын

Excellent video. Truly innovative. Unlike anything else I have seen on KZfaq. Brilliant. I want to see more

@KingPostTimberWorks 8 жыл бұрын

cheers

@jasonroets9906 8 жыл бұрын

+KingPost TimberWorks definitely more joiner videos

@lorddiablo8575 6 жыл бұрын

You might think most of the complex joint formation are from Japan, actually these compex joint formation were brought to Japan more than a thousand years ago. Most of these complicated joints are invented by a Chinese building master whose name is Lu Ban, in which Lu is the Family name. If you have some Chinese friends, you can ask them to buy books written by Lu Ban ( of course in Chinese, but with diagram illustration ) to find out more complex joints formation.... Good Luck !

@markdoldon8852 5 жыл бұрын

Not true at all that Japanese builders invented most joinery. Those joins have been around for a thousand years, just go to any medieval church or other old building. There is really nothing unique or magic about joining wood on various configurations, any suuficiently experienced woodworker can 'invent' their own combination of angles tenons etc. Most of the difference is aesthetic, within a class of joints. Yes, sure Japanese workers invented many working and often beautiful ways to join two (or more) pieces. But so did Europeans, Chinese and Indian craftsmen.

@dlondon1144 8 жыл бұрын

The foxtail joint is ideal for fixing an upright post to an open roof beam or joist where strong winds are a problem. It's not so useful on lumber smaller than, say, 6x6 because the wood may not be strong enough to bear a strain under load.

@sawyeredu 7 жыл бұрын

I've made several internment flag cases for our fallen. I used the miter dovetail joint to hold the 90* joint at the top. The difference being no exposed end grain. It's a little trickier than the half lap, but if you want a challenge it's a nice joint. Traditionally, woodworkers used joinery as a method to hold pieces together. Dovetails were not considered aesthetically pleasing. It's not until more recent times that woodworkers left the joints exposed.

@phome2239 7 жыл бұрын

what a great video you obviously have a lot of skill to even attempt some of the joints i love to see people display old skills keep making videos

@TimBox 8 жыл бұрын

I had seen those joints a few times in books but never seen someone attempt them in real life. Well done

@bighands69 5 жыл бұрын

I learned all of those joints and have been using them over the years. I have learned other joints as well that are not used within the industry on a general basis.

@orbepa 5 жыл бұрын

I really enjoyed this video - so inventive. You see so much duplication on youtube - but this is so uncommon. Excellent idea well implemented !

@theRhinsRanger 7 жыл бұрын

On the fox tail to stop splitting you could drill a hole at the bottom of the cut, the same type of method to stop glass or plastic splitting further

@octojim1 7 жыл бұрын

we opened out the mortise to make a hidden dovetail when the wedges went in, the wedges were always cut from the tennon, and some hot glue added to the wedges. still use this joint.

@johnboleyjr.1698 7 жыл бұрын

In regards to the foxtail joint, a better way of doing it is to either eliminate the center cut on the tenon, or place a third wedge into the center cut. This will prevent the center cut from closing up, and reducing the amount the sides of the tenon splay out into the mortise. I myself would prefer to use a third wedge.

@roontunes 2 жыл бұрын

What a stroke of luck you posted that. The first joint is exactly what I'd been looking for but I'm. I carpenter. Have to join two posts so this USC perfect, thanks

@IanGoldsmithTookiez 8 жыл бұрын

I think maybe it is called a secret dovetail lap joint because there is a compartment there that has not been filled, maybe it was in purpose of hiding something in a certain era of time. The flare with the wedges, I think if you had the exact distance of the flaring you chiseled away before you put the wedges into the expanding pegs, it would have been perfect . this is a great video, I hope to perfect some skills with these types of videos.

@donbell8187 5 жыл бұрын

The fox joint is great for newel posts on stairs in timber framing

@stevephillips8719 7 жыл бұрын

The hidden foxtail is very useful for holding a handle in a mortised tool head like a brass mallet head.

@gregoriovii8746 8 жыл бұрын

ABSOLUTELY FABULOUS!!!!! Please, keep on making more videos. Congratulations from Argentina!!!

@KingPostTimberWorks 8 жыл бұрын

Hola , Gracias.

@robertbrunston5406 8 жыл бұрын

Never seen joints like those! I have been doing wood work for over 40 years!

@ericshockey2078 5 жыл бұрын

Glad to see that your trying the old ways of joining wood thanks for sharing this.

@jonathandoeman7496 7 жыл бұрын

Samurai Carpenter (on youtube) uses the wedged tenon joint on a lot of his stuff. He uses through tenons and slide the wedge in from the other side. Adds a little detail to the piece IMO. Kinda like attaching the head of a mallet. Seems very strong considering it has the wedge in it.

@trex283 5 жыл бұрын

I used the fox tail joint once. I splayed out the mortise to match the thickness of the wedges. It was impossible to remove without destroying it. I think I used it since my tenon was slightly undersized. Also drill a relief hole to prevent spitting

@shihan1809 5 жыл бұрын

Hey Joey, Great Video. The wedged tenons are best used on through tenons so you can put the wedges in from the other side. I like to use a contrasting wood for added interest

@738polarbear 8 жыл бұрын

I know it is a free pdf but a pure gold book like this is better off in hand so I bought a copy on Amazon.

@KingPostTimberWorks 8 жыл бұрын

cool, yea it just keeps giving

@martyfrancis8375 6 жыл бұрын

On the foxtail jont , you can drill 1/8" holes at the kerfuffle bottoms to stop check from continuing.

@beme4146 4 жыл бұрын

I love different joints... personally i like the decorative different joints, but just like that part of your shirt only you see! But know its there joints are the same also. Puzzle joints!!! Make people wonder in how its made not just cause it looks nice , is me. Smoking joints. Could be a good alternative to puzzle joints!!! Thankyou for the inspiration . 🍻

@532bluepeter1 7 жыл бұрын

You should not need adhesive on fox wedged tenons. The wedges should be cut to suit the mortice. That is the width of the wedge at the stout end when driven in should equal or fractionally exceed the flare of the mortice. When cutting a secret mitre dovetail the pins should be cut first unlike a conventional dovetail where one cuts the tails first. I have ocassionally used these on the external mitre of skirting boards when working with polished wood. This is a very strong joint.

@lhirsch1 7 жыл бұрын

Great video. All of these joints were in my high school woodworking text in the late 1970s, early 1980s. I recall the lap dovetail being mitered similar to the first joint in your video, then there is no end grain. Thank you.

@coreycrenshaw8126 3 жыл бұрын

Great video; editing great, fast forward on exhausting tasks and ability to see what was happening was great, keeping my intrest was great! I subscribed, although I usually just get what I need and go. Lots of knowledge in short, entertaining, quality video. Thanks!

@ernststravoblofeld 7 жыл бұрын

Paul Hasluck wrote books about many crafts. His Metalworking is my favorite.

@gr8dvd 8 жыл бұрын

The last joint - lap dovetail - would be great for a waterfall edge treatment (ie, round-over end grain and mate with side so appears continuous). Thanks for sharing and very impressive for first (or seventh or twentieth) attempt at the interesting joinery.

@KingPostTimberWorks 8 жыл бұрын

cheers, that would be a cool application !

@Linrox 8 жыл бұрын

I really enjoyed the video, thanks. All these joints are not about speed. They are made for quality, long lasting joins (i.e Craftsmanship) Which is seriously lacking in today's world, everyone is looking for the fast easy way. At least in building and construction and standard furniture Industries.

@KingPostTimberWorks 8 жыл бұрын

agree!

@FANG1950 8 жыл бұрын

Usually the secret dove tail lap joint is cut into a 45 degree so that there in no end grain showing...

@KingPostTimberWorks 8 жыл бұрын

not usally. that is a different joint actually. that's why I showed this one.

@cherryblossomforge6896 7 жыл бұрын

I want to say that was used at one time in timber framing for post connecting. A wood dowel through and through at opposing and opposite ends of the joint and you're good.

@williamdonnelly2967 7 жыл бұрын

You could use the double fork joint by putting feet of a contrasting wood on table legs, such as padauk feet on maple legs.

@NSResponder 8 жыл бұрын

The third one is pretty well-known both in the east and the west. In Japan, they call it a "hell tenon". -jcr

@danp6897 7 жыл бұрын

The blind wedged mortise I imagine being something you wouldn't necessarily plan to use, but would use in case a mortise you'd already cut was a little loose on the short side.

@sandyhillquist6378 7 жыл бұрын

dan paulding , that's an excellent tip.

@istarianjinsama 8 жыл бұрын

You may already know this one- at the top of the curf where the wedge is inserted, drill a small hole about twice the width of the curf- this lowers the possibility of splitting from the wedge.

@RTD121276 8 жыл бұрын

Great vid. Thanks for taking the time to shoot and post it. So many of the old ways of woodworking are lost to us now, looks like I'm going book hunting :) thanks again mate!

@greggiono8789 8 жыл бұрын

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