Forgotten Realms Lore - The Second Sundering

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Jorphdan

Jorphdan

7 жыл бұрын

Episode 20 - Second Sundering. The somewhat vague event that pushed DnD into 5th edition. Not to be confused with the first sundering, which tore Abier and Toril in two. Or the Elf Sundering that created Evermeet. This is the Second Sundering. Whibbly Whommy Timey Whimey.
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@Aleph-Noll
@Aleph-Noll 5 жыл бұрын
yay "we did it Jorphdan, we saved the D&D"
@paulflood9826
@paulflood9826 7 жыл бұрын
I've just watched 20 of your videos back to back on the history of Abeir-Toril, a lot I knew being an AD&D geek myself, but some of it I didn't. Thank you for compiling it in a somewhat chronological order!
@Jorphdan
@Jorphdan 7 жыл бұрын
That's awesome! Thanks for watching :D
@Bondanalloy
@Bondanalloy 7 жыл бұрын
These are so great. Everyone running or paying in the Realms should watch these
@aromardu
@aromardu 5 жыл бұрын
I did so right before entering a "beginner's course" of sorts, just a few days ago. Great stuff!
@drowjack
@drowjack 6 жыл бұрын
Best decision Wizards of the Coast ever made. D&D is very popular now and very balanced
@gargoyles9999
@gargoyles9999 5 жыл бұрын
Andrew Drow ESPECIALLY THE WIZARD
@toyotasupra97
@toyotasupra97 4 жыл бұрын
Thank goodness a gaming company that puts its fans over profit, therefore automatically profiting. A simple concept that many businesses do not seem to understand. Looking at you EA.
@TheDragonSwordsman
@TheDragonSwordsman 3 жыл бұрын
Unpopular opinion: they swung too far and made it too soft
@ferrumchnop6617
@ferrumchnop6617 2 жыл бұрын
Balance *laughs in coffeelock*
@SavannoBaalphegore
@SavannoBaalphegore Жыл бұрын
meanwhile today, we survived the new ogl...
@cappadocius9379
@cappadocius9379 6 жыл бұрын
Every time you said Abier my brain kept changing it to A Beer.
@chensel65
@chensel65 6 жыл бұрын
I have to thank you. As this has been my sort of audiobooks while I'm studying to run my 5e game. Please continue this!
@Remmy1221
@Remmy1221 4 жыл бұрын
There's a bit of a mistake around the 2 minute mark. The Sundering, as it used to be known in prior editions and changed to The First Sundering with 5th edition caused a lot more changes to the world than indicated. At the time of the casting Toril was dominated by a supercontinent with a few other, further continents. Faerun did not exist yet, as its landmass was joined with what would eventually become Maztica, Kara-Tur, and Zakhara. When the Elves finished their casting they caused massive earthquakes and tsunamis that devastated the coasts of nearly the entire world and ripped huge chunks off those lands to form Evermeet. Countless peoples of all races perished, including the greatest Dark Elven city, taking much of its empire with it. The High Elves committed genocide to create their new home and broke apart the supercontinent into what is known in current Forgotten Realms.
@sillymonger
@sillymonger 7 жыл бұрын
First off... love the silent PH.... gold. Second thank you so much for making these videos. My wife and I love watching them. As a new DM who also homebrews everything your videos have already had a huge impact on our game for the better. My players loved being time travelled back to the fall of the Netherese. Thanks again!
@Jorphdan
@Jorphdan 7 жыл бұрын
+sillymonger that's awesome! Thanks for watching!
@maguszeal5818
@maguszeal5818 Жыл бұрын
As a character in the 5ed adventure set in the 10 towns i hijacked the campagn and made it a search for the history of fallen netherse city in the area. I made it a historian who was obsessed with the netherese. Its like anchient deity of lce yah yah but what about those ruins over there...the whole thing seemed railroaded and over the cr the dm was making the players but to be fair it was his forst time and he was given the bad advise that the players could handle there level +3 in CR.
@TTerminatorToo
@TTerminatorToo 5 жыл бұрын
Man I watched this whole playlist for the last 2 days and I think you did a marvelous job. Just wanna say thank you
@Jorphdan
@Jorphdan 5 жыл бұрын
Oh wow, thanks so much! Glad you enjoyed it :D
@jeremygriffin620
@jeremygriffin620 7 жыл бұрын
Thank you so much for this! I wish I'd had it over half a year ago when I started researching what the Sundering was for myself, but I love how you round it out, and fill in the gaps. I'm also appreciative of your meta-analysis, that essentially this was a company led, player requested recon/reset button.
@atomicnectar
@atomicnectar 6 жыл бұрын
Keep up the great work as a new DM these videos are a ton of help for creating a world that feels lived in but also staying true to the worlds history
@Curiosity_Engaged
@Curiosity_Engaged 2 жыл бұрын
Haven't played in a long time but read the books. I love how they managed to tell a cohesive story, retcon broken things and reinvigorate people's love for the Realms all in one go.
@jasonhater3926
@jasonhater3926 6 жыл бұрын
That was some great binge watching. I subscribed and hope you keep pushing out these D&D videos.
@Jorphdan
@Jorphdan 6 жыл бұрын
Thanks man! New videos every Wednesday. Haven't missed one yet ( *crosses fingers*)
@justincasebro1567
@justincasebro1567 3 жыл бұрын
I'm going to watch the rest of these 100 videos on the playlist but while I'm thinking about it. I've watched the Forgotten Realms history vids through the 2nd sundering. Learned a ton, feel much more confident playing in that world. Love these vids and your style man. Thank you for putting all this together.
@erick6037
@erick6037 7 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the ride through the Realms. Enjoy the vids keep em coming!
@tabithatrimm-hooson4585
@tabithatrimm-hooson4585 4 жыл бұрын
Thank you! I’m a brand new DM and I create best with some history to anchor my characters. This was great, an excellent starting point.
@Jorphdan
@Jorphdan 4 жыл бұрын
Woo hoo =D
@craptastiko6513
@craptastiko6513 5 жыл бұрын
Nicely done w the broken I=Pads, well done ser, well done!
@zorrozoronducksaucekingofq8140
@zorrozoronducksaucekingofq8140 7 жыл бұрын
Fantastic video.even having read the recent sundering series, this helped to put it in perspective.
@JBrettM1
@JBrettM1 7 жыл бұрын
I have enjoyed the entire series. Awesome stuff Jorphdan!
@Jorphdan
@Jorphdan 7 жыл бұрын
+Brett Martinson thanks!!
@somethingsomethingsomethingdar
@somethingsomethingsomethingdar 4 жыл бұрын
This was very helpful to me as a new dungeon master
@XVindicare
@XVindicare 7 жыл бұрын
That was a cool experience. Thanks for all the info up til now :D
@j-fallard5351
@j-fallard5351 7 жыл бұрын
Thank you so much for your videos! Keep 'em coming :)
@josephbalmores6945
@josephbalmores6945 7 жыл бұрын
I'm really enjoying your vids! Thank you for your work and research.
@Jorphdan
@Jorphdan 7 жыл бұрын
Glad you are enjoying them :D
@sikeoepiccowgum8473
@sikeoepiccowgum8473 7 жыл бұрын
Jorphdan, I have been lurking your channel for months now and constantly looking for an opportunity to throw in my two cents and show my gratitude for your videos and hard work in the process of making them. however, it hasn't shown up yet and I'm impatient so here it is. You have very quickly become not only my favorite RPG channel, but my favorite channel in general. I am in love with the detail and description you provide and you are the reason I look forward to Wednesday every week. i don't think you get enough credit, but i don't have squat to donate to you. so instead i offer my earnest thanks and ask a few things in turn. First is a video ( or series of videos ;) ) about your experiences in the forgotten realms and how you got into D&D. Also, now that the main events of the timeline are covered, I believe you could really assist many newer dungeon masters if you focused your, for lack of a better term, regional videos, on the sword coast before branching out to further areas. I.E. waterdeep, neverwinter, baldurs gate, the high moorlands, etc. It is just a suggestion, however I know it would personally help me and from what i can divine, your other viewers would appreciate some sort of geographical organization as well so it''s easier to keep up with you putting so much information out so fast. Thanks for your time and i hope you take my wall of text into consideration. TL;DR 1. I'm a huge fan 2. please make some sort of pattern for how your videos come out. P.S. i have a bunch of really good maps of Faerun. if you want or need links to those or any other sort of assistance in your research, i would be ecstatic to be involved in the creation of your content.
@Jorphdan
@Jorphdan 7 жыл бұрын
Hey! Thanks for watching and enjoying the channel. Don't worry about donating, I don't have anything set up like that anyway. Instead the best thing to help the channel is share with your fellow gamers who might enjoy it. To answer your comments, I've been toying with the idea of running a weekly vlog. Where I'd talk about DM'ing my tabletop game along with whatever thoughts pop into my head. I hesitate because I think people enjoy the lore and wouldn't necessarily be receptive to a video blog. Sounds like a few subscribers would at least be interested in extra content like that. But in a vlog I could answer questions like how I came to play DnD etc. Ideally I think this would be live so people could ask questions during the vlog. Unfortunately my internet connection is to slow for live streaming, something I'm trying to fix. However there's always twitter for people to send questions, so we'll see! To you second point, yes I believe there should be some pattern to the videos. Starting Wed I'm going to start videos on the various planes of existence. Starting with the inner planes and working my way out. Although this isn't forgotten realms specifically it's DnD lore and I find the planes interesting. Also my Nine Hells and Abyss videos have been more popular and others have asked for future videos on the outer planes. I think after that specific videos on regions and cities in the forgotten realms will be in order. I've fallen in love with Al Quadim so I'd love to do a section of videos on that area. Thanks again for watching! And thanks for a great comment!
@maanze9284
@maanze9284 7 жыл бұрын
Very enjoyable. Please, continue.
@oysterstu4822
@oysterstu4822 6 жыл бұрын
Good lord that was complicated but so great! Thanks for explaining that. Your series are fantastic
@Jorphdan
@Jorphdan 6 жыл бұрын
Thanks for watching! :D
@arrelite
@arrelite 7 жыл бұрын
Another great video! Keep it up!
@Jorphdan
@Jorphdan 7 жыл бұрын
Thanks!
@amosericson
@amosericson 7 жыл бұрын
Thank you Jorphdan!
@charx225
@charx225 7 жыл бұрын
PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE Do a video on The Cult of the Dragon!
@Jorphdan
@Jorphdan 7 жыл бұрын
That's a really good idea, I'll add it to my list.
@studiofurbewegung
@studiofurbewegung 2 жыл бұрын
@@Jorphdan Hail Sammaster!
@homosapien0000
@homosapien0000 9 ай бұрын
Jungle adventure sounds amazing. On a quest to retrieve a valuable artifact in a far away jungle pyramid but it's way more than anyone bargained for.
@bigkid3571
@bigkid3571 5 жыл бұрын
This is great. I am taking my family through starter pack as a first time DM and after learning so much history I am going to pepper my Homebrew campaign to extend it. Wish me luck
@Jorphdan
@Jorphdan 5 жыл бұрын
sweet! Good luck!
@HawiiFiveO
@HawiiFiveO 4 жыл бұрын
Great videos, looks like I can’t back to D&D at a good time
@snorg70
@snorg70 7 жыл бұрын
Well done! Thank gawd my main man Helm is back. I subbed keep up the videos!!
@Jorphdan
@Jorphdan 7 жыл бұрын
Thanks! Welcome to the channel :)
@renownedbandanawearer1345
@renownedbandanawearer1345 2 жыл бұрын
I came to this channel to check out some Elder Evils for my warlock player but this is such a great and comprehensive series I’m watching it all.
@Jorphdan
@Jorphdan 2 жыл бұрын
Welcome!
@alexinfinite7142
@alexinfinite7142 3 жыл бұрын
Dude, this was very helpful. Thank you
@Jorphdan
@Jorphdan 3 жыл бұрын
Happy to help!
@MannyBrum
@MannyBrum 7 жыл бұрын
You should do one on Shar and Mask and Twilight War, the Cycle of Night etc. One of the best storylines IMO.
@rumblemoto420
@rumblemoto420 Жыл бұрын
i second this!
@Brentbustard
@Brentbustard 7 жыл бұрын
Don't know if you'd mentioned this but videos about specific chosen characters, since most are the novelized heroes, I'd love to relive the early Drizzt books through these videos and maybe hear about some of his role I never got around to. Great videos! Also, Dragonlance.
@Jorphdan
@Jorphdan 7 жыл бұрын
I've read most of the Drizzt books so I'd feel comfortable doing that. But in general I think I'd like to stay away from novels and more on geography. But we'll see if it's what people want and I can throw together something interesting. Dragonlance and other settings are also on my mind =)
@lachlanhatfield2530
@lachlanhatfield2530 6 жыл бұрын
Loved the adventure Jorphdan, really sad I reached it's conclusion
@IceTemple13
@IceTemple13 7 жыл бұрын
Love your vids man I would be really interested to see a video/s about where different campaigns relate to the timeline
@Jorphdan
@Jorphdan 7 жыл бұрын
+IceTemple13 that's a good idea. I'll know that works for 5th edition. I'll have to research earlier DnD to see if the adventures had a place in the timelines.
@JimCullen
@JimCullen 7 жыл бұрын
Based on the novels which tie in to them (by Ed Greenwood, Erin M Evans, etc.) Out of the Abyss takes place mid 1486 DR, and Storm King's Thunder is the winter of 1486-1487 DR. I'm not sure about the others, but I assume they're earlier. In terms of canon, WotC have tried to be relatively vague about timing of things, with the intention of letting anyone's home game be played in a way that doesn't explicitly go against what's canonically written, no matter which order they play the published adventures in. So apart from novel tie-ins, which by necessity have a specific date associated with them, I think it'll be hard to find out when things take place.
@transient_moonlight
@transient_moonlight 7 жыл бұрын
Death Masks comes before SKT (there is even some SKT foreshadowing in that novel), and the date is explicitly said to be 1491+ DR. Weird :/
@Jorphdan
@Jorphdan 7 жыл бұрын
+Jim Cullen yeah I remember a Dragon Talk podcast episode where Chris Perkins said they aren't giving out specific dates so everything has some wiggle room canonically.
@JimCullen
@JimCullen 7 жыл бұрын
Wow that's weird. The Devil You Know is also meant as a SKT tie-in, and it's set early 1487. I guess that's just another example of WotC trying to confuse us through their vagueries. Damn it guys! I want some strict canon here!
@thinking-ape6483
@thinking-ape6483 7 жыл бұрын
Just subbed to your channel, question, if Bhaal is back in the latest iteration, what happened to Cyric?
@Jorphdan
@Jorphdan 7 жыл бұрын
Bhaal is in Sword Coast Legends, but canonically he was sealed away in Baldur's Gate II. There are scattered cultists and worshipers attempting to bring him back. Cyric (also in SCLs) was imprisoned for Mystra's murder during the Spellplague. He's still in astral prison.
@EmpathNaga
@EmpathNaga 5 ай бұрын
This is what I needed when I was playing Baldur's Gate 3, and the Narrator says "This magical tome is filled with the names of gods, once lost but now restored after the Second Sundering, all silently recorded by this book." So the Second Sundering was literally just the in-world cause for the lore rewrite for the start of 5th Edition!? That's wild...
@Bucket_Boy101
@Bucket_Boy101 6 жыл бұрын
Oh man this helped me so much understand why the maps changed and then changed back! It makes me have questions about a purely theoretical character I have in my head (A Gold Dwarf blacksmith who finds himself being visited by Moradin who bestows his gift upon him as reward for his fine craftsmanship): What happened to the gold dwarf realm down near the great rift? We don't get to find out given that 5e only covers the Sword Coast and not all of Faerun.
@badadbubub2519
@badadbubub2519 4 жыл бұрын
Hi jorphdan, thank you for all the nice content in video form. i watched most of what you do and even being a longtime player and dm (25 years and going) i learn new stuff in all and everything you make. keep up the good work!! i would like to know where you got the infos on the wotc reset ? not that i doubt you or it at all - i just would love to read it myself. gl to you and yours
@Jorphdan
@Jorphdan 4 жыл бұрын
Yeah of course, I put all my resources in the description. It should lead you to some PDFs and videos detailing the Sundering. Happy Hunting!
@lwriker1304
@lwriker1304 5 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the lesson. I dropped out of D&D with 4e, continued with 3.5e; and just recently delved into 5e. The only thing I liked with 4e was the independant Miniatures Game. I do wish the 5e minis still came with Miniatures stats, tho. Glad to see the Great Wheel is back along with Mystra.
@mikisvdlinden6746
@mikisvdlinden6746 7 жыл бұрын
dude I love your videos!! Any chance youd ever do a video on the Volo's playable races and their place in Faerun? I'd be the happiest nerd ever!
@Jorphdan
@Jorphdan 7 жыл бұрын
I was just thinking about that the other day. My Wife is currently playing a Triton and it got me thinking about their race origins. Perhaps! I'll add it to my list of potential videos :D
@mikisvdlinden6746
@mikisvdlinden6746 7 жыл бұрын
Jorphdan Great!! aside from the Tabaxi I have left my players with questions on their origins and cultural highlights
@GozMaster
@GozMaster 3 жыл бұрын
Awesome overview Jorphdan! Will be watching multiple times to get a better understanding of the timeline. Actually, is there a graphic timeline for reference?
@Jorphdan
@Jorphdan 3 жыл бұрын
No graphic that I've found. It's supposed to be ambiguous so I doubt you'll find one
@Boomge666
@Boomge666 2 жыл бұрын
Man I'm 30 and only started DnD in the last 6 months and I'm hooked, wish I'd played more but thanks to these easily crammable docu-vids I can learn aboutt the universe so quickly! Would a scholarly/divine PC know about these events?
@Jorphdan
@Jorphdan 2 жыл бұрын
Scholarly sure! Elf, probably! Because your character would want to know about it, absolutely :)
@noobmurilo
@noobmurilo 4 жыл бұрын
Thanks só much!
@BryanHolmes
@BryanHolmes 6 жыл бұрын
Just a small correction: Faerun was MOSTLY restored to the pre-spellplague state. Examples of changes are the obvious Luskan, The area known as Elfharrow (it used to be The Shaar, but it's a desolate desert now) and even the Halflings of Lurien are mentioned as having "been lost, but are now showing that they've survived the events". Also I believe there's one earthmote still flying about that no one can explain (I believe it's in the pirate isles, but I could be mistaken, I'd have to re-find my source). Otherwise, good stuff.
@Jorphdan
@Jorphdan 6 жыл бұрын
+Bryan Holmes it's a learning process, thanks for the extra info! Now to find that earth mote!
@BryanHolmes
@BryanHolmes 6 жыл бұрын
Jorphdan it's mostly geopolitical stuff anyway. Like how Halruaa is paranoid and xenophobic or with lurien the halflings are moved but the terrain itself was restored. And already looking for the mote because otherwise it'll bother me
@assakvit2
@assakvit2 6 жыл бұрын
TY!
@barekamy7506
@barekamy7506 4 жыл бұрын
I understand "they went with a beer" xD
@sanguiniusonvacation1803
@sanguiniusonvacation1803 5 жыл бұрын
all those gods returned , but the poor little dragon bois still don't have their God back!
@channel_lurker
@channel_lurker Жыл бұрын
Ao is the best DM ever
@pandapuff993
@pandapuff993 3 жыл бұрын
The Sundering 2: Electric Boogaloo.
@kristoferhoward9871
@kristoferhoward9871 6 жыл бұрын
Can you do a video on Bloodstone?
@bobsyouryouknowthething6751
@bobsyouryouknowthething6751 5 жыл бұрын
I have questions maybe better answered by R A Salvatore, but is there info on the city found where Orcs and Dwarves lived together found in the search for Gauntlgrym?
@Wildstag
@Wildstag 7 жыл бұрын
Where did you find the pictures of the many characters intimately involved in the Sundering, and who was the one between Drizzt and Elminster? I couldn't find it on the Second-Sundering page of the Forgotten Realms Wikia.
@Jorphdan
@Jorphdan 7 жыл бұрын
found it just through googling, and I'm not sure who all the characters are. I haven't read all the Sundering books yet. playertheory.com/images/SundHero.jpg
@jonathanolson1185
@jonathanolson1185 7 жыл бұрын
So Jorphdan, first off I love your videos man. I think I blew through all of them in a few days of commuting to work. Awesome stuff for helping anyone understand the lore and chronology of it. I've grown a lot more knowledgeable of Faerun's lore because of you, and myself and my players thank you! That said, I have a question about the second sundering. You said that it was kind of a reset button as everything kinda went back to where it was. Does this include the actual land structure? For example: after the spellplague, the land of Faerun looked a lot different the pre-spellplague. Chult even broke off from the main continent and floated away from it a bit. Did all that stuff "heal" after the second sundering? Is the world of Faerun as it looked BEFORE the spellplague now?
@Jorphdan
@Jorphdan 7 жыл бұрын
We don't have large maps of 5th edition DnD. Just the Sword coast but essentially yes. Chult came back and is a peninsula again, the Sea of Fallen Stars rose back up to it's pre-spellplague levels etc. Not everything was magically changed back, Neverwinter was still destroyed and is currently rebuilding. Evermeet returned to the ocean, the great chasm filled in and is magically no more. It's currently more accurate to use a 3.5 map than a 4th edition map. Won't know 100% everything on changes until WotC releases a 5th edition map larger than just the sword coast. Perhaps with the new adventure it will expand down to show off Chult, or more. I'm glad you enjoy the videos, thanks for watching :D
@jonathanolson1185
@jonathanolson1185 7 жыл бұрын
Thanks for clearing that up for me man! Funny you mentioned it, because as I looked into it, the map that I pulled from forgotten realms wiki that I use in my campaign is actually from 3rd edition! Ha!
@sirdoge361
@sirdoge361 7 жыл бұрын
Thanks Lord Ao for that reset button XD (I prefer the green flame than the blue)
@Jorphdan
@Jorphdan 7 жыл бұрын
Haha :)
@ricardoreis7298
@ricardoreis7298 2 жыл бұрын
At 4:13 the artwork of Tyler Jacobson is shown. Who is the first girl on the left, the one with white hair, next to Dahl and Farideh?
@adamholcomb200
@adamholcomb200 7 жыл бұрын
Thay is still ruled by the Dead and necromancy is the only arcane school practiced there which as it was in 4e 😂. Other wizards that practice the other schools of Magic Are renegade or rogue Red Wizards and they live outside of Thay in self exile until Szass Tam a very powerful Lich who rules that now is removed from power or destroyed. Also I would still like the return of the Swordmage class brought back in 5e from 4e.
@dominiksikic2113
@dominiksikic2113 7 жыл бұрын
Well, there is the Eldritch Knight as a subclass to the fighter, but I doubt that's what you want. The thing you probably want is actually an arcane tradition for the wizard class that is found in Adventurer's Guide to the Sword Coast, where you have the Bladesinger tradition.
@callmecloby8365
@callmecloby8365 3 жыл бұрын
I swear, Wizards of the Coast the everyone else is going to find some way to make this story and game even better.
@ProffessorYellow
@ProffessorYellow 10 ай бұрын
do a video on Volo Jorphdan
@Youaremybich
@Youaremybich 7 жыл бұрын
cool men, do a series of videos of all the planes.
@Jorphdan
@Jorphdan 7 жыл бұрын
+Youaremybich that's actually what I have planned next. Stay tuned!
@JimCullen
@JimCullen 7 жыл бұрын
Yes please! A lot of the plains can be confusing to get one's head around. I would love some clarification on them.
@ItsJackDolan
@ItsJackDolan 7 жыл бұрын
How about the Tuigan Wars next?
@nickbuchowisch7396
@nickbuchowisch7396 5 жыл бұрын
I wonder if wizards of the cost reserve the second sundering for the occasion that they need to reboot forgotten realms.
@matteoboldizzoni9870
@matteoboldizzoni9870 3 жыл бұрын
Sooo.. can I use the maps included in the Forgotten Realms boxed set from 2nd edition for my adventures in 5th edition? They are so beautiful, I’d hate it if they were useless.
@Jorphdan
@Jorphdan 3 жыл бұрын
No not useless, and the realms is really what you make it so you could use 5e rules in a 2E setting.
@ButtercheeseYay
@ButtercheeseYay 7 жыл бұрын
What I find odd/interesting about the Sundering, is that WotC tried to turn FR into what fans wanted, including more influence by the Baldur's Gate franchise, but decided to keep Abdel Adrian canon, who is probably the most universally hated aspect of the entire BG franchise for most fans. Since I remember that you once said that you never played those games, here's a "brief" summary of the situation. So the games are universally loved and by are by many hailed as one of the (if not the best) videogame roleplaying experiences to date. But instead of making the games canon, WotC decided to make the godawful novels that are "based" on the games canon. Now, the games also took some liberty with the lore and canon, but the novels downright _butchered_ the canon. Then with 5th edition WotC introduced the "Murder in Baldur's Gate" campaign setting, which reintruced Coran, who is one of the companions from the first BG game, and made him one of the dukes of the city of Baldur's Gate, put up a statue of fanfavourite companion Minsc on the market place and made Viekang, one of the other Bhaalspawn in the series (he was very much a joke character, who had the special curse/ability that allowed him to randomly teleport somewhere when he feels frightened, out of selfpreservation, but has zero control over it). Murder in Baldur's Gate is also the story about how Bhaal is restored to life. Then as a follow up we got the Legends of Baldur's Gate comics, featuring Minsc as one of the main characters alongside some new characters, including Coran's son Krydle (who did not exist till that point, as far as I know). The story makes a handful of references to the games, including mentioning Neera a bunch of times, who is _exclusive_ the the Enhanced Editions. According to some of the writers at Beamdog (the folks behind the Enhanced Editions) at this point WotC decided to mix up the canon from the novels and the games, keeping the main character from the novels (the aforementioned Abdel Adrian) and keeps referencing events from the games, but leaves other aspects deliberately vague. Oh yeah, Minsc also appears in the Neverwinter MMO, though that part makes storywise zero sense, since during that time he was either dead or a statue (oh yeah, that is also never explained. In the comics a wizard brings Minsc statue to life but at no point it's made clear if that is the real Minsc who got petrified or if the wizard created a copy of Minsc or how that works. Like I said, it's odd.)
@Marshal_Rock
@Marshal_Rock 6 жыл бұрын
Brie When I start a game in BG EE and see the premade characters and find Abdel Adrian and his stats I think for myself: No way I would take such a character with me. It would have been better if they had removed Abdel as portrayed in those novels and put a construction made by themselves but according with what fans of the BG series would have wanted as that has attracted newbbies who knew only the game to the FR world and the D&D like myself.
@MorriganJade
@MorriganJade 5 жыл бұрын
Seeing as the Phandelver lore is just one year pre-Second Sundering, I guess I'll just need to up my lore a bit when running throughout the years.
@MorriganJade
@MorriganJade 5 жыл бұрын
Seeing this video makes it a bit too daunting I guess to run it properly. I'll probably just make the Rockseeker brothers find the map in 1489, so after the end of the Second Sundering, to make it just easier to not have to worry about all the changes the world is going through
@1anarquista.sensato
@1anarquista.sensato 4 жыл бұрын
@@MorriganJade Isn't Phandelver date 1491 tho?
@MorriganJade
@MorriganJade 4 жыл бұрын
@@1anarquista.sensato Ah, yeah, that's right. I was looking at one source, but the other sources all calculate it at 1491. You're right!
@IlRe720
@IlRe720 Ай бұрын
Pretty much like when you throw your phone coz your pissed then gotta get that shit fixed again
@TheSwartz
@TheSwartz 7 жыл бұрын
Can I ask, where did you find that the "current" year is 1491? I was trying to find this before starting a new campaign, I seemed to find more of a range, and so I settled on 1489 (obviously close to what you come up with which makes me feel good!)
@Jorphdan
@Jorphdan 7 жыл бұрын
+I am the Swartz it was in a dragon talk podcast episode. I forget which one but Chris Perkins stated the realms was currently around 1491
@Jorphdan
@Jorphdan 7 жыл бұрын
Also a quick google says it was 1491 in the year 2015. So perhaps it's 1493 now. Shame we missed 1492 when Columbus discovered the new world.
@stuartwhyte4274
@stuartwhyte4274 7 жыл бұрын
I feel like there is a reference in Princes of the Apocalypse that states it takes place in 1491 DR. And I know that the starter set adventure references the eruption of Mount Hotenow as being about 50 years previous, so if you know the date of that, you can infer the current year on the timeline. I know when I started my game, I told my players it was 1481 DR because I misremembered what I read previously. I ended up retconning to 1491 after I reread some things.
@mauraofdunlath
@mauraofdunlath 6 жыл бұрын
So the transfer from 1st to 2nd edition was the Time of Troubles, from 3rd to 4th was the Spellplague, the 4th to 5th was the (second) sundering... what happened during the switch from 2nd to 3rd edition? Was there no cataclysmic event between 2nd and 3rd?
@Jorphdan
@Jorphdan 6 жыл бұрын
+mauraofdunlath there was no event, kind of odd in retrospect
@NoActuallyGo-KCUF-Yourself
@NoActuallyGo-KCUF-Yourself 6 жыл бұрын
Huh, I also felt it an easy transition gamewise from 2e to 3e - probably because by then everyone already houseruled and homebrewed 2e out of existence naturally.
@Ghilteras
@Ghilteras 7 жыл бұрын
what about Tyr, isn't he back as well during the 2nd Sundering? It's very unclear, but he is listed in SCAG
@Jorphdan
@Jorphdan 7 жыл бұрын
Yes! I'm not sure how but he was also resurrected during the Second Sundering.
@Ghilteras
@Ghilteras 7 жыл бұрын
Jorphdan yea nobody knows, we won't have novels in 2017 so we need to wait next year to find out..
@RaiderAvian
@RaiderAvian 3 жыл бұрын
Question: If a campaign setting is based on canon lore and the players or the DM enact changes that alter the majority of the lore itself, would those changes be considered canon to the party and their gameplay with that instance of the setting or is considered aby-product of the free will the player and DM are applying when making choices or allowing certain events to affect the setting in a major way? I assume any campaign the players would play would be considered an altered history of the canon lore to avoid conflicts whenever a new game is started or an update is either applied or left out in a running game.
@akkoXD
@akkoXD 5 жыл бұрын
Wasn't the spellplague the effect of the assassination of Mystra and the destruction of the weave?
@Jorphdan
@Jorphdan 5 жыл бұрын
Correct!
@zdron07
@zdron07 3 жыл бұрын
Wait Wouldent all that restore undermountain to its old form? Whys it still tiny
@jimthomas8382
@jimthomas8382 3 жыл бұрын
Didn't the Dragonborn arrive at this time, too?? And, I thought they had an island just north of Evermeet, and that they took over the old Utherian Empire.
@antimatterstudios8395
@antimatterstudios8395 5 жыл бұрын
Is it just me or are the spellplague and sunderings (both) really confusing. This helped a lot because I had no idea what was going on before
@Jorphdan
@Jorphdan 5 жыл бұрын
I'm still confused O.o'
@olorinever-young4685
@olorinever-young4685 4 жыл бұрын
So... Are a Abier and Toril like, two different planets? How does that work? Or are they like parallel realities to each other?
@Jorphdan
@Jorphdan 4 жыл бұрын
I think of them as parallel realities. It's not heavily defined.
@olorinever-young4685
@olorinever-young4685 4 жыл бұрын
@@Jorphdan Gee, thanks for the reply, mate! Heh, I wasn't actually expecting a reply to a comment on such an old video. Thanks for all the work you put into your channel, it's really appreciated! Cheers, and I hope you have a great day.
@mrl9418
@mrl9418 6 жыл бұрын
What about access to the elemental chaos from Toril or the current cosmology? Is it accessible in any way (maybe from the elemental planes?) Is the Abyss both in the great wheel and in the elemental chaos? (So maybe it's the connecting point) Unrelated: if Ao was split into Behemoth and Tiamat back before the very first split of Aber-Toril, how did he split Aber and Toril in the first place? And how is he still around these days to influence the gods?
@evanb1470
@evanb1470 5 жыл бұрын
I dont play 4th or 5th edition but I do use the much better version of Forgotten Relms history that comes from them. Thank you for doing these videos!
@Jorphdan
@Jorphdan 5 жыл бұрын
Thanks for watching and sharing them :)
@LordZeromaru
@LordZeromaru 7 жыл бұрын
I was waiting for this video eagerly. Can you make subs available for this video? I want to show it to some friends, but the do not speak english.
@Jorphdan
@Jorphdan 7 жыл бұрын
Hmmm I'll have to look into that. I'm not sure how, especially with translated subs but I'll see what I can come up with.
@Jorphdan
@Jorphdan 7 жыл бұрын
I added English subtitles, perhaps the community can help translate them!
@LordZeromaru
@LordZeromaru 7 жыл бұрын
Thanks! That would be helpful. I can even translate them myself.
@JimCullen
@JimCullen 7 жыл бұрын
If anyone wants to create their own translated subtitles, click the settings cog under the video, then subtitles, then "add subtitles/CC". From there, type in the language you want to translate to and follow the prompts. Easy as pie!
@Jeromy1986
@Jeromy1986 6 жыл бұрын
Yaaaaay!
@redstarkboxingsportsnews4289
@redstarkboxingsportsnews4289 5 жыл бұрын
This is awesome 👏🏿 Can someone explain the game to me though I’ve never played just read pretty much every book they put out 🤔 seems interesting though
@lemnajcavite
@lemnajcavite 6 жыл бұрын
This fantasy world just screams 'don't depend on magic no matter how much fun it is' And yet I would still rely on magic. XD
@i-am-your-conscience
@i-am-your-conscience 5 жыл бұрын
So, if I understand correctly: If in doubt, use D&D 3rd Edition maps for Faerun and so on? Because, maps are so rare for 5th edition..
@Jorphdan
@Jorphdan 5 жыл бұрын
Correct!
@level87code
@level87code 5 жыл бұрын
What's the best way plug LORE into a game as a dm? The only way I can imagine plugging lore in is saying like you were in this war or that battle but you were just in the background. But I don't want them to feel like the Tag and Bink of dnd
@Jorphdan
@Jorphdan 5 жыл бұрын
If it's applicable to the character I'll have them make history checks to know a bit of lore about something. As far as plugging it in I haven't tied it to peoples backstories but mostly exotic locations they explore.
@alejodavies
@alejodavies 6 жыл бұрын
Nice Sakimichan elf, there ',:^)
@PaulTheSkeptic
@PaulTheSkeptic 21 күн бұрын
Okay so where is Abeir then? I always wondered that. You play on Toril basically. But Abeir was separated from Toril and it ended up where? And what's it like? Is it more or less similar to Toril? Can you go there? Is it gone? What's the deal with that?
@user-en3lu2ct5k
@user-en3lu2ct5k 3 жыл бұрын
Lost Drow gods 6:09 Kiaransalee & Selvetarm
@hunterrose8019
@hunterrose8019 3 жыл бұрын
When did Chult go from a penninsula to an island as it is now?
@Jorphdan
@Jorphdan 3 жыл бұрын
it was an Island in 2nd and 3rd edition. The spellplague in 4th edition turned it into a peninsula as waters receded. 5th edition it has returned to an island; lots of rain happened for like a month straight and filled up the Sea of Fallen Stars and the ocean levels.
@jadrakteofurupa7729
@jadrakteofurupa7729 2 жыл бұрын
yeee, as a DM i'd just ignore the initial changes
@Athanatosti
@Athanatosti 6 жыл бұрын
I am confused now. So everything 5e is supposed to happen after the Second Sundering, right? Well I was running The Lost Mines of Phandelver and it says in the part about Thundertree it was destroyed by the eruption of Mount Hotenow 30 years ago. Mt Hotenow erupted in 1451, which would place LMoP in 1481, before the second sundering and this before 5e times? Can anyone clear this up for me? Is it 1481? Should I just change it to 1491? We had to do a side campaign because a player couldn't join for an entire year, but we will return to the Forgotten Realms soon.
@1anarquista.sensato
@1anarquista.sensato 4 жыл бұрын
Yeah change to 1491, 40 years not 30
@ShiroNekoDen
@ShiroNekoDen 6 жыл бұрын
there are three events i am interested in, Elemental evil, Rise of tiamat and tyranny of dragons,
@dustinmorton9472
@dustinmorton9472 2 жыл бұрын
Can you get more in depth with the second sundering and how it changed the landsraad of Faerûn? I’m running a camp that has definite ties to how the second sundering went down, and how the political structure changed, as well as the landscape... I’m not finding a lot of unapproachable east lore to put in. If you have any lore I can use, that’d be swell. ❤️
@NoActuallyGo-KCUF-Yourself
@NoActuallyGo-KCUF-Yourself 4 жыл бұрын
As far as I'm concerned the world(s) of Toril(-Abeir) simply ended in 1385. I usually start my campaigns somewhere in the 1360 - 1376 years (a mix of 2nd and 3rd edition), but when 1385 comes, unless the PCs have Spelljammer'd their way off-planet, KABOOM all gone.
@lancearmada
@lancearmada Жыл бұрын
So ao sunders once to seperate abeir toril Elves create evermeet and in doing so cause a sundering like event Ao destroys the tabletsnof fate at the end of the time of troubles which causes another sundering as the two worlds try to unite. Then another sundering when he recreates the tablets… How many sunderings are there again?
@fredfreddy8684
@fredfreddy8684 5 жыл бұрын
So, Evermeet is back after the Second Sundering?
@montezuma0000
@montezuma0000 2 жыл бұрын
5:46 I'm pretty sure this isn't the right year for when the end of the Second Sundering happened. I get it's a graphic but it was really misleading for me.
@Rejor111
@Rejor111 5 жыл бұрын
Those trubbles.
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