Matt Morrisson Yeah, but I prefer the sounds of the Pederson action. It sounds so satisfying.

Butter smooth

+Cory Mcclure Thanks!

It’s not so much “no one wants to do that much machining” as it is “no one wants to pay for this much machining, which has proven to be unnecessary in firearms.” More parts = more places for things to go wrong, and when you’re relying on a firearm to save your life, one thing going wrong could mean the difference between life and death. Toggle locks are simply unnecessary when rotating bolts, tilting bolts, slides and the like can do the same thing with fewer parts and looser tolerances, which translates to more money saved.

@@Brawler_1337 True. Good points

+USAirsoft no, because you asked for thumbs

Oops sorry, I guess I did a bit too much cocaine and saw it how I wanted to

He literally said that like a minute in.

No, what he said was that Garand used an eight round clip to keep the rifle handier and lighter. He didn't get into the logistics aspect of having to change literally millions of sets of web gear by going to a ten round clip at a time when the Country was going through a major economic upheaval. Cheers, Bruce.

+Kris Bluefield Yes, a bunch of Olympic biathlon rifles use a manually operated toggle lock.

I hate to ask and I'm having trouble finding them but I was looking to get a sling somewhat like the biathletes use it seems the hook on their shoulders rather than swing over their head and that seems rather useful for what I intend coyote hunting while I'm skiing. do you know of any companies that make those biathlon slings or where I might find out that information?

rambokicksass77 Agreed 100%. Honestly the M1 did everything that was required of it near perfectly. Thats why its remembered so fondly by vets. All of this hindsight 'what about this, what about that' is fun but unfair because it takes the rifle out of context imo.

+o2wow It doesn't look like, in the video, the toggle was ever brought back far enough to insert a clip. I was thinking that maybe the gripping surface could help lock the toggle back all the way manually. The re-cocking idea is a good one as well, but then it offers the risk of something that may have become 'White Knuckle' or 'White Fingers'. Imagine if, while trying to re-cock the toggle after having pulled the trigger, the round then went off, pushing the toggle up at your hand. I don't imagine it to be a pleasant sensation.

+NormanMatchem you can see full travel of the toggle at 6:50

+TheGoldenCaulk He will if you have one on hand, and are willing to let him handle it :D if one is sold at RIA or Julia auction house he will, I hope. he did go to the springfield armory at one point thou.. in short he might but no one knowes.

+TheGoldenCaulk Plinkett. ;)

jegergladformad86 I only mention it because I actually saw a listing at RIA for the very same rifle. Fingers crossed that they let him have a look

+TheGoldenCaulk Lol shame on me:D sorry about the diatribe then, let's hop you got me interrestet in the rifle when you mentioned it before. Let's hope.

jegergladformad86 No problem, here's the link if you wanna check it out www.rockislandauction.com/viewitem/aid/66/lid/3116

I would love it!

+Paul Canning When the action is forward, the bolt is locked and cannot open. Forcing the action to move back ensures that the opening of the bolt is delayed until the bullet has left the barrel and pressure in the barrel has dropped to a safe level.

So, manually open the toggle, the bolt only opens in the last bit? Also, why use this kind of design? What's the advantage / disadvantage over other firing mechanisms?

+EvilDeathNightmare Personally I don't think there are many advantages to this action over other semi-auto actions. The Garand used a tilting two lug bolt, where the locking time was determined by a certain amount of travel by the op rod before it engaged the caming lug. So instead of the whole action moving inside of the stock, it is only the operating rod and bolt. One advantage of the design for the time is that there is no gas port drilled in the barrel, which was an early requirement of US ordinance for their service rifle (early Garand used a gas trap). And as Ian stated, unlike the Pederson, the action was actually locked while the pressure was the highest in the chamber, so it should have been safer.* ** Disadvantage of this design seems to be more mechanical complexity, probably costs more to manufacture, more to go wrong. The Browning model 5 was one of the first semi auto designs, and it used a long recoil system to do the same thing. The entire barrel and action recoils inside the stock to its full rearward travel. The action catches the bolt then, and the barrel is pushed forward by the action spring. Once forward, it trips a bolt release, allowing the bolt to strip a new round. This rifle uses a bit of a hybrid of that and the Luger toggle lock. The action recoiling together keeps the action locked for safety, and the toggle actually accomplishes the cycling of the action. For contemporary designs, it's pretty over complicated and over engineered. But it accomplished its goals, and it's fascinating to see how different engineers tackled the same problem. *the Pederson was speced to use a special wax coated ammo to facilitate extraction, I assume to overcome the still high chamber pressures due to the non-locked delayed action. I would hazard a guess that this type of action does not need that wax coating. **the HKG3/CETME design (which can be traced to the MP44) used a roller delayed locking design, which was also subject to high extraction pressures, and the chamber was fluted to accomplish the same thing as Pederson's case coating.

EvilDeathNightmare Sorry you have the attention span of a gnat then. I at least break up my walls of text into paragraphs. Some internet novel writers don't even have that courtesy.

No.

Don't be such a stick in the mud! The first modern revolver!

Yeah, hence is why it's not forgotten. He should do a review on the Pattern 1851 Minie Rifle though.

Fair point, but just how many times are you going to see someone messing about with a original walker though!

Hardly ever. Maybe I would like to see a shooting video of one, though, there's an obvious problem with that.

bones020694 So what really happened was that testing revealed the bore wore out too fast, making it inaccurate. Not that it was an inaccurate design.

+bones020694 I think you are referring to White's other prototype? Pederson rifles have not been covered recently by Ian.

+phlodel or further forward. like an AK. Perhaps a mount on the stock, seeing as the barrel recips.

+phlodel You mean like they had to do with the Garand?

+Phillip Igyarto No, it should not have.

+Forgotten Weapons Thanks! I'm modeling a rifle in a video game I'm making off of this rifle and wanted to make sure. Your videos have actually helped me a ton in researching weird prototype rifles from this time-period.

+Phillip Igyarto In general, the lubricated ammunition requirement accompanies delayed-blowback actions. If they don't delay enough, the extraction pressure is really high and the lubrication is needed. If you have a toggle lock together with a different operation mechanism (like the short recoil on a Luger) you shouldn't have that issue because the system is staying locked/closed longer.

@@phillipigyarto9066 What game?

@@zacharyrollick6169 I've got some videos of me working on it on my channel. Its supposed to be a kinda pulp sci-fi action RPG but I haven't gotten much done on it lately. The video I do have shows off my version of this rifle though which is pretty cool imo.

I wrote that just 30 seconds prior to you mentioning that.

+sg airsoft Fuck you.

An infantry man may have fire up at attack aircraft or maybe assaulting a position up a steep incline.

i am imagining a straight 90 degree angle here, and traditionally attack aircraft would be flying to high for an infantry man to shoot at

It might also affect steep angle fire like uphill.

urban combat, shooting from the base of a building into upper windows or balconies. warfare in mountains or canyons, not as steep an angle as say urban combat, but still fairly steep.

+jackdaniel holt-ellison Shooting someone up a tree or in the top of a guard tower, anyone standing at the top of a cliff when you are at the bottom, (such as Omaha Beach on D-Day?) shooting someone on a wall when you are taking cover at the base, there are plenty of perfectly valid reasons - not every target you want to shoot at is on a range, level piece of ground or in a college classroom

they , and the Paterson ridge, are the parents of the Garand, of course the son of better in all aspects