MGD PM9 Rotary-Action Submachine Gun

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The PM9 was an interesting an unique submachine gun designed by Louis Debuit for the French firm Merlin and Gerin (hence the MGD name - Merlin, Gerin, Debuit) in the late 1940s and early 50s. The design was intended to provide a very compact package, which it did with a very short action, folding stock, and folding magazine.
The PM9 uses a delayed blowback action, and the delaying is done by a rotating flywheel-type block and clock spring. The bolt and flywheel act somewhat like the piston and crank in an engine. As the bolt (piston) moved rearward in a straight line, it forces the flywheel (crank) to rotate because the two are connected. In the case of the PM9, the connection is a nub on the flywheel that rides in a vertical slot in the bolt. The flywheel is pushing against the clock spring to rotate, and the combination of the its inertia and spring pressure keep the bolt closed long enough for pressure to drop to a safe level. The rotary action allows this to be done in a much smaller package than typical submachine guns.
The PM9 was initially chambered for 7.65 French Long, but quickly changed to standard 9mm Parabellum for the production models. It used the same magazine as the German MP38/MP40, giving it a 32-round capacity. In addition to the model with a skeletonized folding stock, the PM9 was also available with a fixed wooden stock and either short barrel of long carbine barrel. A relatively small number of guns were produced in France in 1954 and 1955, but they failed to find commercial success. In 1956 the German Erma company acquired a license to build the PM9, but abandoned the idea after making a few prototypes.
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@georgerapp8502
@georgerapp8502 6 жыл бұрын
French design philosophy: the French copy no one and no one copies the french
@florentleider222
@florentleider222 6 жыл бұрын
there wazs atime when USA prefered to adopt rather than copy : during WWI : tanks FT17, 155 Filloux gun, airplanes , machine guns, etc...
@iDrive4fun93
@iDrive4fun93 5 жыл бұрын
French tanks were the tank to have back in WW1.
@SmilingDevil
@SmilingDevil 5 жыл бұрын
.... except for the magazine, those can be taken from the Hunns...
@theonecafard
@theonecafard 5 жыл бұрын
You was speaking about RSA right ?
@itsmegzuz6197
@itsmegzuz6197 5 жыл бұрын
The fucking barrel is from the mp40
@SteamSoftworks
@SteamSoftworks 4 жыл бұрын
“And to take it apart we have this button...” *Almost a full minute of labored breathing and struggling* “And one easy little button just like that and we have our assembly!”
@RobMontier-dx2go
@RobMontier-dx2go Жыл бұрын
Merde! Zut alors!
@VFRSTREETFIGHTER
@VFRSTREETFIGHTER 7 жыл бұрын
I've never wanted to see footage of a firearm firing so bad.
@drevyek1785
@drevyek1785 7 жыл бұрын
I know. I'd love to see the bolt rotating around. I wonder what the recoil is like?
@ineednochannelyoutube5384
@ineednochannelyoutube5384 7 жыл бұрын
+Avalon Run Its also going to be first upwards as the bolt moves back, than downwards as the recoil assembly rotates upwards. Weird and wobbly.
@Aheitchoo
@Aheitchoo 6 жыл бұрын
How do you he it???
@jroggs85
@jroggs85 5 жыл бұрын
The grip looks like it would be very awkward. Are you supposed to hook your thumb around the stock frame?
@Xiones11
@Xiones11 5 жыл бұрын
​@@M.T.... "However, the force striking the back of the receiver would probably be very significant, especially since there is no action mechanism to delay the bolt going backwards and waiting for the pressure to drop." The action mechanism is the flywheel. The force needed to spin the flywheel to get the bolt moving backwards is the same as if the bolt was three or four times heavier. The whole point of this action is that the weight is moved from the bolt into the flywheel so the bolt does not have to be as long or thick. This is the whole point of flywheel delayed mechanisms over straight-delayed blow back mechanisms. Straight-delayed use heavy bolts. Flywheel delayed use heavy flywheels and a transmission to achieve the same thing as heavy bolt. Lever delayed blowbacks use levers and mechanical advantage to do the same thing as a heavy bolt. These are all just different methods of slowing down bolt movement so chamber pressures have time to drop. They all do the same thing and simply have different recoil, weight, and complexity aspects.
@Tripp426
@Tripp426 7 жыл бұрын
The fact that Ian forgot to or intentionally didn't edit out his struggle to get the cover off is brilliant.
@coitusergosum2447
@coitusergosum2447 7 жыл бұрын
"Uh...Monsieur, we have a bit of an issue." "Well? Spit it out, Jean." "We had to replace our Gun Designeur last minute with a Jacque in the Box specialist."
@simoncampbell5802
@simoncampbell5802 7 жыл бұрын
Coitus Ergo Sum Excellent
@TheRogueWolf
@TheRogueWolf 7 жыл бұрын
I for one am supremely disappointed that this weapon does not play "Pop Goes the Weasel" during operation.
@coitusergosum2447
@coitusergosum2447 7 жыл бұрын
The Rogue Wolf It may not Pop the Weasel, but it will pop the poor sod standing in front of it!
@kahlzun
@kahlzun 7 жыл бұрын
you've got the only wounded-up positron shooter
@Jager_is_dead
@Jager_is_dead 6 жыл бұрын
Coitus Ergo Sum Can't we use the Origami specialist Jean?
@rom65536
@rom65536 7 жыл бұрын
...and then the mouse comes out and pulls on the cheese, the fan blows the boat across the bucket of water, the boat bumps a bowling ball which rolls down the hill and hits the back of the bolt, which pushes the firing pin forward, which fires the gun.
@IndrajeetRoy29
@IndrajeetRoy29 6 жыл бұрын
We got anither Tom and Jerry fan here!!
@rickykemp
@rickykemp 6 жыл бұрын
This made me genuinely lol
@user-jb9nz2fs2u
@user-jb9nz2fs2u 2 жыл бұрын
just get a revolver mouse trap
@AM-hf9kk
@AM-hf9kk 4 жыл бұрын
Fun note: Merlin-Gerrin is still around. They make large circuit breakers among other things.
@greycatturtle7132
@greycatturtle7132 Жыл бұрын
Lol
@eljaroebeukes5118
@eljaroebeukes5118 Ай бұрын
They were bought by Schneider electric.
@p.k5096
@p.k5096 7 жыл бұрын
Ian, you forgot to mention why this gun wasn't commercially successful
@ajeje1996
@ajeje1996 7 жыл бұрын
Laird Cummings Which would make it a good gun for someone on the market for a small, concealable weapon. The vast majority of the public, however is understandably more interested in comfortable, performing weapons, since your average Joe has no need to shoot up a wedding or some such
@jacobbgraham
@jacobbgraham 7 жыл бұрын
It sounded like there was someone from the museum standing near him, when Ian said "thank you", probably didn't want to talk smack about a gun in their collection with them right there. that's my guess at least.
@beavisbutt-headson3223
@beavisbutt-headson3223 7 жыл бұрын
Jacob Graham He's in a Dutch museum talking about a wacky French SMG. My point being: Restraint out of respect/courtesy is almost definitely not the reason. I'm sure he just forgot because it's rather obvious.
@ThePandoraGuy
@ThePandoraGuy 7 жыл бұрын
Maybe because it was french?
@GunFunZS
@GunFunZS 7 жыл бұрын
Spree killers don't need concealable as much. If they are planning a spree then they can deal with hiding a cumbersome object in a large package, etc. They choose their own timing and location. Concealment is primarily useful for hidden responsive tools. i.e. Security, police, civilian concealed carry.
@Mibit911
@Mibit911 5 жыл бұрын
*Struggles intensely* "One easy little button, just like that." What a madman
@TheTuttle99
@TheTuttle99 4 жыл бұрын
One of the things I love about this channel is Ian never seems like he's reading a script or even wrote a script. He just has all this knowledge up in that skull of his
@Rixoli
@Rixoli 2 ай бұрын
for future viewers: Because he does, barring one or two exceptions he does *all these videos in one take* and while he doesn't necessarily write a full script he does make a series of cliff notes to emphasize alot of the times
@fien111
@fien111 7 жыл бұрын
So what I've learned of national firearms development from this channel is... France: One step forward, one step sideways America: Two steps forward, one step back Germany: One step forward. We shall advance in a calm, logical und repeatable manner! And vhy is this pin not serial stamped?! Russia: One step forward, one squat down. This is good place, da? We wait for others catch up. China: One step Brevets, eighteen steps BROWNINGS
@DazBull26
@DazBull26 7 жыл бұрын
British: 50000 sideways steps never getting anywhere
@fien111
@fien111 7 жыл бұрын
Nonsense.....that eventually gets you to Germany where it gets finished!
@irtazaazam2573
@irtazaazam2573 6 жыл бұрын
Fien hahahaha man I wish I could give that comment more likes.
@Haaraff
@Haaraff 5 жыл бұрын
Switzerland: One step forward - step, which leads us to leg. Maybe knee? What else works like a human knee? I know, let's make it a toggle lock!
@williambiondi5643
@williambiondi5643 5 жыл бұрын
-T-X-M- Nah, the Italians have definitely the take “one step forward, just let me reinvent how walking works first,” approach.
@aldi404
@aldi404 7 жыл бұрын
Looks like something that Captain Nemo would have on the Nautilus
@ristoalanko9281
@ristoalanko9281 7 жыл бұрын
After WW I I all common SMGs (except Thompson) were stamped steel and simple round tubes. And then a frenchman designs a 1920s style clockwork SMG with expensive machined parts and expects commercial success. Nice gun, wrong era.
@agusti92
@agusti92 7 жыл бұрын
doesn't look that expensive though
@florentleider222
@florentleider222 6 жыл бұрын
patents were frozen during the whole WWII so the inventor applied for patents in 1940 but did not get'em before 1946. Hence the different approach (milling, etc..) from post war designs. It's not certain that the inventor was aware of the stamped sheet process applied to the MP38 (in 1938) when Merlin Gerin (the company he worked with) submitted the patent. The inventor designed also handguns, machine guns etc, without meeting commercial success.
@randomweirdo2701
@randomweirdo2701 6 жыл бұрын
That design could easily be adapted to 3d printing using elastic polymer spring because of the pull action the rotary design allows. This is especially true if chambered in rimfire.
@Pilotgeek
@Pilotgeek 4 жыл бұрын
@@randomweirdo2701 Indeed. This definitely is an idea worth pursuing.
@williamjones2970
@williamjones2970 7 жыл бұрын
Of course he pronounces the french correctly. He is the gun Jesus.
@nathancardon233
@nathancardon233 5 жыл бұрын
Except he didn't
@marcamant7258
@marcamant7258 5 жыл бұрын
bien sûr sa prononciation n'est pas aisée mais on sent bien son effort et sa bonne volonté. En outre je pense qu'il n'y a pas grand monde autour de lui pour le corriger ou le faire progresser.
@christiandavey4221
@christiandavey4221 5 жыл бұрын
Gun Je Suis
@SmilingDevil
@SmilingDevil 5 жыл бұрын
Weeeeeel Ean, about that.... I guess you come as close as possible, but your pronunciations of “Gerãt Nr. 6” oder “Raketenbüchse” were kinda stereotype for an American... I know you try, and those Umlauts are a pain in the Buttstock...
@franciscoschwarz6451
@franciscoschwarz6451 4 жыл бұрын
Really flawless pronunciation, gun Jesus 😄
@blackwoodsecurity531
@blackwoodsecurity531 7 жыл бұрын
looks like it would've been a good carbine for pilots
@user-lr9ok1pd7d
@user-lr9ok1pd7d 7 жыл бұрын
Blackwood Security Agree with you, very compact
@willemran
@willemran 7 жыл бұрын
I believe KLM airlines used a couple AR-10 rifles as defense weapon against polar bears on their routes over the arctic circle. And publicity of course. Stewardesses where supposedly trained to use these rifles. Not that compact but very interesting. Maybe this museum has one of those guns in their collection. If i remember correctly from my last visit to the NMM they had at least a of few AR variants and prototypes on display.
@johnhans2929
@johnhans2929 7 жыл бұрын
Definitely. It also seems good for VIP protective details.
@notpulverman9660
@notpulverman9660 6 жыл бұрын
John Hans it does not look good for that at all.
@kyle360123
@kyle360123 6 жыл бұрын
Imagine that thing in 22lr
@9sec93lx
@9sec93lx 3 жыл бұрын
"In 1940's France Mp40 magazines were readily available." UNFORTUNATELY they were usually attached to a German soldier who was trying to shoot you with it....
@desertdude540
@desertdude540 8 ай бұрын
Only for the first half of the decade. For the second half, I imagine the magazines would be readily available.
@TheWanderingPariah
@TheWanderingPariah 7 жыл бұрын
That's actually a really neat design! I couldn't even tell what it was from the thumbnail. Secret agents of the world: can you say _"untapped market?"_
@NEPAscallywag
@NEPAscallywag 7 жыл бұрын
is it just me or is this the most french gun ever? it even looks like the reciever it's wearing a kepi
@nihluxler8823
@nihluxler8823 3 жыл бұрын
It’s a snail gun !
@pikeywyatt
@pikeywyatt 7 жыл бұрын
the Swiss one has a cuckoo that pop's out..
@samuelbhend2521
@samuelbhend2521 4 жыл бұрын
yes, every time the togglelock opens: cuckoo!... (only the ones from W+F BERN tough)
@michaelwilloya3510
@michaelwilloya3510 5 жыл бұрын
This has to be one of my favorite Firearms designs. It is just ingenious. And that has to be one of the lightest bolts ever used in an open bolt blowback gun. I understand that it is probably not a good gun overall but it gives you a lot to think about in regards to Firearms design.
@kentpelham4152
@kentpelham4152 6 ай бұрын
yeah, I've never seen anything like it. however, I wouldn't be a huge proponent of winding up my gun
@timd729
@timd729 5 ай бұрын
What are you talkin bout this is a great gun. We would have to see it shoot before we can make that call
@ptrd4111
@ptrd4111 5 жыл бұрын
Love the idea for this gun, but everytime I look at it I hear sounds of an old rotary phone.
@MonkeyJedi99
@MonkeyJedi99 4 жыл бұрын
Ah the rotary phone. The device that makes you HATE calling friends with 9s and 0s in their number.
@freddyhayes239
@freddyhayes239 7 жыл бұрын
i have a feeling the cleaning rod holds together the stock to stop you losing the damn thing lol. you would easily notice when you picked up the gun if the rod was not inserted.
@MrCh0o
@MrCh0o 6 жыл бұрын
The question was why not just make stock one whole thing instead tho
@weaverp1
@weaverp1 6 жыл бұрын
Does it possibly facitate removal of stock
@jean-valerythoraval4591
@jean-valerythoraval4591 6 жыл бұрын
that makes for a good reason to not have made the stock one whole piece... also another reason that i can think of is if you want to hook your weapon somewhere, or hook something to it, like a belt, a strap, anything really...
@throughcracker6591
@throughcracker6591 6 жыл бұрын
I think it might be to take it off.
@MrSimondaniel3
@MrSimondaniel3 5 жыл бұрын
@@MrCh0o + the answer was just given hahaha
@Taistelukalkkuna
@Taistelukalkkuna 7 жыл бұрын
MGD PM9 smg, putting Funk to functional.
@solventtrapdotcom6676
@solventtrapdotcom6676 3 жыл бұрын
Most underrated comment
@Purlictor
@Purlictor 7 жыл бұрын
In case anyone has the opportunity to visit the Dutch National Military Museum, it is well worth the time. It's a large, modern building with a huge amount of excellently maintained exhibits.
@ridge2542
@ridge2542 7 жыл бұрын
Purlictor wapens en voertuigen :D
@sandervanduren2779
@sandervanduren2779 7 жыл бұрын
Purlictor people should also visit Overloon
@Hirosjimma
@Hirosjimma 7 жыл бұрын
And they're apparently not too difficult about approaching the vehicles. The vehicles are blocked off by a low barrier but if you step over said barrier to look inside the staff won't get mad. As long as you do so carefully of course.
@aquadragon1
@aquadragon1 6 жыл бұрын
Mjaaa well i liked to old location a lot better. Not in the least oc because we lived almost next door as a kid.
@ATalkingHouse
@ATalkingHouse 4 жыл бұрын
Every time I come back to this video, I get awestruck about how nicely designed this gun is. Compact, foldable, and an action that can fit in your hand. Now the only question is how well it shoots...
@awmperry
@awmperry 7 жыл бұрын
It doesn't look practical, but that's some lovely engineering.
@marshallperry2446
@marshallperry2446 7 жыл бұрын
It reminds me of the sten gun but even worse, maybe for a really small form factor it could help, but I think it is just too small for practicality still.
@YouTubeViolates1A
@YouTubeViolates1A 5 жыл бұрын
The fancy ones always are the least practical. :c
@WhenDoesTheVideoActuallyStart
@WhenDoesTheVideoActuallyStart 6 ай бұрын
​@@marshallperry2446The Sten is a disgusting backyard submachinepipe, this is clockworky weirdness. I can't see how they're similar.
@StanislavG.
@StanislavG. 7 жыл бұрын
I do not believe in absolutes, but after watching most of the videos on this channel, I've realized that it's absolutely impossible to not like listening to Ian telling a story about a gun :)
@233lynx
@233lynx 6 жыл бұрын
A very interesting piece of design. I'll add my 2 cents: the mechanism actually makes for a very soft recoil, so crude stock is not an issue. Also, by dynamic and attached mass behaviour(impulse redirection by crank/rotation) mechanism is very close to Kriss Vector. A gun that was really ahead of its time.
@loicchaplain4046
@loicchaplain4046 7 жыл бұрын
As a french, i love when you speak french xD
@phileas007
@phileas007 7 жыл бұрын
omelette au fromage!
@lombrikone
@lombrikone 7 жыл бұрын
Kael Thas same here !
@Todd_Coward
@Todd_Coward 7 жыл бұрын
HON HON HON MON CHERIE
@cristianvillanueva8782
@cristianvillanueva8782 3 жыл бұрын
@@phileas007 XD
@jeromevuarand3768
@jeromevuarand3768 7 жыл бұрын
That's a really clever mechanism. The rotation slows down the bolt movement when the internal peg is at 3 o'clock (delaying the blowback slightly) and at 9 o'clock (so that the next round has more time to get up the magazine).
@boessle2963
@boessle2963 2 жыл бұрын
Agree, it probably is a delayed blowback design. Think Ian should have mentioned it.
@dwightehowell8179
@dwightehowell8179 4 жыл бұрын
That looks like a perfect gun to stick in a tank. They don't need or want the blasted thing in the way until they take a hit and have to bail out at which point in time an ultra compact SMJ is exactly what they need to grab as they are leaving. Something they can use to discourage hostile infantry while they hastily advance to the rear.
@rautavaara9194
@rautavaara9194 7 жыл бұрын
You forgot to bring white gloves to the museum, so you had to go out and buy some gardening gloves?
@tseftz
@tseftz 7 жыл бұрын
white gloves are very old hat, I can imagine why this particular museum would use those rubber coated gardening gloves - they're grippier and harderwearing, and unlike white cottons, non-porous, keeping those skin oils off the blueing, etc. Most museums these days either give you latex-alternative gloves, or just ask you to wash and dry your hands
@JonatasAdoM
@JonatasAdoM 7 жыл бұрын
+Eye Ore You can bet they wouldn't.
@maxnaz47
@maxnaz47 5 жыл бұрын
*Mechanic gloves, not gardening gloves... protect from grease and oils, not thorns and prickles.
@gajemouje
@gajemouje Жыл бұрын
Crazy how elaborate and simple at the same time 😮...the amount of space and weight gained by the system is breath taking.French really can engineer fabulous things..and at the same time..make chauchats! Thx Ian
@julianajohansson2713
@julianajohansson2713 2 жыл бұрын
The firing mechanism: highly comeplicated and exquisitly exclusive. The stock:
@Innomen
@Innomen 5 жыл бұрын
Dude, journalistic integrity for the win. Not editing the video to hide the panel struggle. Thank you. Easy sub. Seen several vids, but keeping that struggle in earned my respect.
@gloriousphantom7905
@gloriousphantom7905 3 жыл бұрын
“Do you have a concealed carry on you sir?” Me: really thinking it’s easier to explain if I say I have a bomb and 30 kilos of coke in my car
@nohero23
@nohero23 7 жыл бұрын
So why didn't this get more popular? Too complicated or uncomfortable to use?
@wierdalien1
@wierdalien1 7 жыл бұрын
n0la usually the reasons
@ForgottenWeapons
@ForgottenWeapons 7 жыл бұрын
I suspect because the mainspring tended to break, but I don't have any proof of that.
@farmerboy916
@farmerboy916 7 жыл бұрын
Rather unconventional, lots of cheap war surplus, small market in the first place. Also, that seems like a lot of machining for a subgun
@havoc3742
@havoc3742 7 жыл бұрын
or because it was just after ww2 and there were literally thousands of tons of surplus guns laying about.
@tristanrenner3166
@tristanrenner3166 7 жыл бұрын
I'd be doubtful of a complicated design, considering most firearms that I have personally seen, this is one of the simplest of designs. As for machining, yes, it may be a fair bit. If the SMG had a better chance for newer models, it could possibly be stamped or molded if it was not already, for mass production purposes.
@jackpopinski8330
@jackpopinski8330 7 жыл бұрын
you meen like 6 kilometers from my house... damn did I just mis you for a handshake
@olivialambert4124
@olivialambert4124 3 жыл бұрын
I had a similar idea myself. This rendition is unbelievably elegant and so much more advanced than my idea. Debuit was clearly a very, very clever person. I'm very glad I saw this if I ever get the chance to work on my idea properly. I'd certainly be adding a great many of his concepts to my own.
@thestr8person
@thestr8person 7 жыл бұрын
One of the coolest old smg's I've ever seen! I just love the simplicity, I bet it still fires as good as the day it was made and virtually never failed except for ammo faults (if kept properly of course). Awesome Ian!
@Phos9
@Phos9 7 жыл бұрын
Was hoping when I first saw that gun that the magazine remained forward and the round was rotated into position.
@dbmail545
@dbmail545 5 жыл бұрын
Me too. Now that would be a compact SMG!
@VioletEverlasting
@VioletEverlasting 5 жыл бұрын
so you mean like a g11?
@ScottKenny1978
@ScottKenny1978 5 жыл бұрын
@@VioletEverlasting Except less unholy Swiss-watch inside! I had an idea for a rotary-breech like the G11 that used the rotation of the breech to extract and eject the case, long before I knew enough engineering to make it actually work!
@solventtrapdotcom6676
@solventtrapdotcom6676 3 жыл бұрын
@@ScottKenny1978 P90
@ScottKenny1978
@ScottKenny1978 3 жыл бұрын
@@solventtrapdotcom6676 yeah, that works, too, just that the rounds are on a different angle to the barrel than the g11.
@grammarnazi7428
@grammarnazi7428 5 жыл бұрын
7:49 -> struggles to take gun apart *”ONE eAsY LITTLE BUTTON JUST LIKE THAT”*
@Kebbab.213
@Kebbab.213 4 жыл бұрын
Lol
@hrishikeshaggrawal
@hrishikeshaggrawal Ай бұрын
I can not imagine a self loading firearm mechanism with less moving parts than this. Absolutely brilliant.
@itsDavoBro
@itsDavoBro 7 жыл бұрын
Awesome, I love the guns with interesting mechanisms the most, thanks Ian!
@ChePennyDK
@ChePennyDK 7 жыл бұрын
Now that' a wierd gun heh, love coming here and seeing guns I've never heard off :)
@ChePennyDK
@ChePennyDK 7 жыл бұрын
You don't say Sherlock!
@leoli2450
@leoli2450 3 жыл бұрын
I am fully convinced that no one back then would've thought this was a gun when it is folded. Generally people of that period would imagine "guns" as a long piece of wood with lots of iron parts and a tube on it. Then you have this thing that looks like a random piece of machine some inventors carry around.
@WhenDoesTheVideoActuallyStart
@WhenDoesTheVideoActuallyStart 6 ай бұрын
Guard catches you with it "What's that you're carrying?" "Oh, it's just my reciprocating retrovolumetrizer" "Oh... I see. Of course! Go on citizen."
@thevoiceofthelost
@thevoiceofthelost 7 жыл бұрын
this has got to be the most simple, yet cleaver and epic gun ive ever seen. i really want one of these!
@MrSkyl1ne
@MrSkyl1ne 7 жыл бұрын
The National Military Museum definitely is a great place to visit if you are in the area, there's a sizable collection of both old and modern vehicles, airplanes and weapons. Everything is multilingual so no problem for foreigners (as most museums are in the Netherlands). It's located at an old military airfield that was used by both the Dutch and US airforce up until the end of the 1990s. They also sometimes do tours of the airfield so you can visit bunkers and hidden locations that are normally off limits, unfortunately they only do tours on special occasions.
@thegoldencaulk2742
@thegoldencaulk2742 7 жыл бұрын
Ian at the Dutch Museum? Pls tell me you revisited the contract AR-10s!
@Nessinby
@Nessinby 7 жыл бұрын
Looks like a Fallout weapon
@jroggs85
@jroggs85 5 жыл бұрын
I was thinking Metro, but yeah it really has that ad hoc look to it.
@jmbkpo
@jmbkpo 4 жыл бұрын
It is a old gun
@indramatic
@indramatic 7 жыл бұрын
OH. MY. GOD!!! Ian thank you very much! I was intrigued by this gun long time ago but could not find even a decent picture of it! THANK YOU!
@Niinsa62
@Niinsa62 3 жыл бұрын
I remember seeing one of these in a book about submachine guns a long time ago. Impossible to forget that rotary action, so unusual, and so compact!
@hughbarton775
@hughbarton775 5 жыл бұрын
Having worked with voitures from Renault, Citroen, and Peugeot, I feel this wacky and wondrous contraption is a classic illustration of an axiom from the automobile service business: " The French copy no one, and no one copies the French"....Great job as always, Ian!
@brianreddeman951
@brianreddeman951 7 жыл бұрын
Are there any other firearms that use clock springs? (besides Wheellocks)
@ForgottenWeapons
@ForgottenWeapons 7 жыл бұрын
Yes, the Lewis did.
@DFX2KX
@DFX2KX 7 жыл бұрын
and that odd machinegun that used a clock spring and a rack&pinon mechanism....
@rogerjohnson8707
@rogerjohnson8707 4 жыл бұрын
I'm quite surprised Ian didn't mention one of his favorite firearms the Suomi smg. The 71 round drum magazine is powered by a clock spring. Given it is an eternal part but still required for big fire power.
@tobiashagstrom4168
@tobiashagstrom4168 7 жыл бұрын
Wow, this is actually REALLY cool, the inside of it was actually more simple than I had expected.
@jerriecan
@jerriecan 7 жыл бұрын
Always wanted to see this gun in detail - thank you so much!
@ErokLobotomist
@ErokLobotomist 2 жыл бұрын
This is one of the coolest things I've ever seen. It's a damn shame this one didn't take off.
@TBAG
@TBAG 7 жыл бұрын
what the fuck!? you were in my country? or is it just the name of the museum?
@ForgottenWeapons
@ForgottenWeapons 7 жыл бұрын
I was in the Netherlands last month.
@Ektrix
@Ektrix 7 жыл бұрын
awesome i am from the Netherlands how did u like it?
@gabber88ful
@gabber88ful 7 жыл бұрын
Forgotten Weapons greetings from holland
@ForgottenWeapons
@ForgottenWeapons 7 жыл бұрын
I had a wonderful time. It help that you all seem to speak excellent English. :)
@gabber88ful
@gabber88ful 7 жыл бұрын
Forgotten Weapons im happy to hear that hopefully you can come again to holland to show some other firearms to
@thomasdillon7761
@thomasdillon7761 3 жыл бұрын
As a history buff I appreciate the way you put the weapons on your sight in a proper historical context.
@benb3910
@benb3910 3 жыл бұрын
What a fantastically interesting design! Thx for showing this.
@zendell37
@zendell37 7 жыл бұрын
Once he mentioned the Hotchkiss Universal, I read his mind. He thought "I'm havin this." Yes, Ian, have it. Have the shit out of it! And have Karl make a 2 gun based around concealed weapons. It shall be glorious!
@jonwicker3142
@jonwicker3142 4 жыл бұрын
I'd really like to see this thing in action. I'm especially curious about the cyclic rate. Hopefully, Ian can get his hands on another one that is safe enough to take to the range.
@skylordcharley6261
@skylordcharley6261 7 жыл бұрын
Ian thanks so much for this video. I saw this gun on your website years ago and it started my interest in gun design/mechanics. so it was wonderful to see a video on it.
@cooperevans5660
@cooperevans5660 7 жыл бұрын
Thank you, I have always been fascinated by this SMG
@fangadorawolfen6164
@fangadorawolfen6164 7 жыл бұрын
3 reasons why this never caught on 1. It is a pain to take apart. 2. No pistol grip. 3. Probably difficult to reload.
@brennanpaucke2066
@brennanpaucke2066 6 жыл бұрын
It's obviously easy to reload
@florentleider222
@florentleider222 6 жыл бұрын
apart from the huge number of low priced surplus available, the main drawback of the gun was an irregular rate of fire and a rather high incidence of jamming. looks like the clockwork mechanism is rather sensitive to dirt and powder residus.
@barrag3463
@barrag3463 5 жыл бұрын
@@florentleider222 small thing but a difficult disassembly process probably exacerbated the latter issue you mentioned; the gun might not be cleaned as often or as thoroughly due to a lazy user not wanting to put in the effort needed to get the firing mechanism opened up.
@YouTubeViolates1A
@YouTubeViolates1A 5 жыл бұрын
Scratch the 3rd note. Every gun is easy to reload with enough practice.
@EvMund
@EvMund 2 жыл бұрын
Imagine getting killed by a coat hanger
@heinrichmuller7974
@heinrichmuller7974 7 жыл бұрын
Love the video... Ian you never fail to keep my attention with your videos and choices of unusual, rare and unseen firearms. Entertaining while at the same time educating :D
@2Potates
@2Potates 4 жыл бұрын
The reciever of this thing and how it works are genuinly beautiful.
@rogerwennstrom6677
@rogerwennstrom6677 7 жыл бұрын
Cutest and possibly coolest sub-gun ever :) This must be right up Ian's alley - it would sit very nicely next to the Hotchkiss! How many of this one were made? Any chance of finding one outside museums?
@tobiasburen8340
@tobiasburen8340 7 жыл бұрын
Very interesting technique. Any chance to shoot one of this guns? I'm not sure if this work great ore not really.
@jaredneaves7007
@jaredneaves7007 7 жыл бұрын
i like that you don't edit out your disassembly struggles!
@Halo1138
@Halo1138 7 жыл бұрын
Was wondering when you were going to look at this little beauty! Quite a unique little thing!
@book5ter
@book5ter 7 жыл бұрын
@Ian: Where are you supposed to put your right hand when you fire the gun from the shoulder? gripping it around the stock seems very cumbersome.
@book5ter
@book5ter 7 жыл бұрын
Maybe thumb against the rear of the trigger guard, index finger on the trigger and just pinch?
@Panssaritalvi
@Panssaritalvi 7 жыл бұрын
This was the first question that came to my mind when I saw the gun. It looks really uncomfortable. I kinda hoped Ian would have addressed this question.
@yves-mariesellin6026
@yves-mariesellin6026 7 жыл бұрын
bien joué
@joshuawhitmore9269
@joshuawhitmore9269 7 жыл бұрын
The compact ability is something you don't see anymore. I loved this one.
@arafdi
@arafdi 3 жыл бұрын
I love how the French SMG design philosophy during this era was "make everything foldable/concealable!"
@MauldtheMan
@MauldtheMan 7 жыл бұрын
Can I mount this on an RX-7 DOUBLE ROTARY POWER
@kendon81
@kendon81 7 жыл бұрын
kinda makes sense in a weird oddball french way.
@webtoedman
@webtoedman 7 жыл бұрын
That is a slick way to fit a long spring into a small package. Vive la difference!
@ohredhk
@ohredhk 7 жыл бұрын
I learn something new today. Thx Ian.
@NLShArKNL
@NLShArKNL 7 жыл бұрын
hey ian, are you in the netherlands right now? I live there :D
@ForgottenWeapons
@ForgottenWeapons 7 жыл бұрын
No, I filmed this last month.
@NLShArKNL
@NLShArKNL 7 жыл бұрын
ahh right, should've said you were planning to go there, would have loved to say hi :D
@sillygoose210_6
@sillygoose210_6 7 жыл бұрын
But can you use it as a fidget spinner???
@jamiesuvo7420
@jamiesuvo7420 5 жыл бұрын
Love your videos and all the old antique guns very educational thank you so much for what you do
@mr.gunzaku437
@mr.gunzaku437 3 жыл бұрын
This is one of my top five guns that I would own that I've seen on your channel Ian! Thanks for this video I've probably watched it about five times now! Lol!
@franimatics2292
@franimatics2292 7 жыл бұрын
is it rifled? and does technically count as a PDW?
@saltdetected1756
@saltdetected1756 7 жыл бұрын
*_N E A T O_*
@Rick1885
@Rick1885 7 жыл бұрын
NATO
@Cabbolf
@Cabbolf 6 жыл бұрын
This one made me chuckle. But what a fascinating little piece of machinery.
@coles201
@coles201 7 жыл бұрын
Thats a really compact design, impressive.
@Jasper-Holland
@Jasper-Holland 7 жыл бұрын
Nederland!
@sirspikey
@sirspikey 7 жыл бұрын
You never explained why this didn't catch on!?
@ForgottenWeapons
@ForgottenWeapons 7 жыл бұрын
I think the recoil springs probably broke a lot.
@monke6776
@monke6776 6 жыл бұрын
And it was prolly really expensive No pistol grip People prolly didn’t trust it cuz it was new weird and cool looking. Prolly more reasons too
@whensomethingcriesagain
@whensomethingcriesagain 4 жыл бұрын
If I'm being honest, durability notwithstanding, the rotary action idea is kind of brilliant, as a means of making a compact action without the need for things like long buffer springs
@nosaltiesandrooshere7488
@nosaltiesandrooshere7488 7 жыл бұрын
Very interesting system, really unique in innovation and technology for a submachine gun. Thank you for showing, because this is so decent and dissected you can not see this weapon in the display case!
@Haliconable
@Haliconable 5 жыл бұрын
No grip - check, magazine pointing a bizarre direction - check, useless skeletonized folding stock - check. Yep it's french alright, that's for sure!
@Hotkoin222
@Hotkoin222 7 жыл бұрын
was waiting eagerly for this particular piece beautiful work
@palarious
@palarious 7 жыл бұрын
Seriously neat mechanism. Similar to something I've been thinking about.
@crunchysuperman
@crunchysuperman 7 жыл бұрын
That's clever. I like that design a lot.
@matthayward7889
@matthayward7889 7 жыл бұрын
I love videos like this! Educational, with a very dry sense of humour!
@Nazgulxnl
@Nazgulxnl 7 жыл бұрын
Ooooh my home country. Never thought there would be anything interesting over here firearms wise.
@evandaire1449
@evandaire1449 7 жыл бұрын
Never thought id see a wheel lock submachine gun.
@JoshuaNicoll
@JoshuaNicoll 7 жыл бұрын
oh wow, getting really obscure and unique now Ian, this is what I come for.
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